Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast. I'll also be your host into
Speaker 1: the world of hunting the icon of the North American
Speaker 1: Wilderness Fair. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation. We will
Speaker 1: also bring you into some of the wildest country on
Speaker 1: the planet chasing Fair. On this monumental episode of the
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast, we are gonna relay some very
Speaker 1: pertinent information to you guys. We're also going to talk
Speaker 1: about some highlights of producing this podcast. But before we
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Speaker 1: Colby moorehead. Hey, welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Global headquarters. Man,
Speaker 1: this covid stuff has it's knocked out. Colby has been
Speaker 1: uh working remotely, yeah, we'll say, yeah, but working hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: working hard. Bear Hunting Magazine, North Hunting Magazine North. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know that we're deep in the heart of squirrel
Speaker 1: a pellooza really, oh of course, yeah, this is deep
Speaker 1: deep in the heart of squirrel the palooza one which
Speaker 1: is uh where me and the kids and many other
Speaker 1: families are. We haven't been able to go every day because,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we have something going on in the evening.
Speaker 1: Usually we're hunting in the evenings. But we're trying to
Speaker 1: squirrel hunt as absolute much as possible over the next
Speaker 1: sixty days. Is this increasing your squirrel craft your squirrel crafting,
Speaker 1: oh my ability to make arts and crafts with squirrel stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ornaments are done. It's not that season, so like like
Speaker 1: I'm already making some Christmas ornaments for next year. Well,
Speaker 1: Kolby is referring to as a video that I made
Speaker 1: for Meat Eat, where I made a Christmas ornament out
Speaker 1: of squirrel tales. I want to read you a text
Speaker 1: message that I sent to a friend of mine a
Speaker 1: few days ago. He says, Clay, if you end up
Speaker 1: doing any squirrel hunting this week, and it would work
Speaker 1: to have folks join. We're super interested. And this is
Speaker 1: a friend of mine I hunt with and his kids.
Speaker 1: And I say, yes, probably go tomorrow. We may go
Speaker 1: this evening for the last hour. He says, We're up
Speaker 1: for both. Just let me know, all right. And this
Speaker 1: is sometimes things just come out of your mouth and
Speaker 1: you realize that it's that the that the that the
Speaker 1: energy behind it is deeper than even what you realized
Speaker 1: when you said it. Okay, looking forward to And I
Speaker 1: said ten four stand by, squirrel of Pellooza is raging
Speaker 1: and the flame blows hither and yonder at its will.
Speaker 1: So poetic, and uh so, what I was trying to
Speaker 1: say is I don't know if we're gonna go this
Speaker 1: afternoon or tomorrow afternoon, but I'll let you know. So
Speaker 1: Squirrel Peluza, We're we're gonna try to go this afternoon
Speaker 1: if it's not too cold. Um there, not not too cold.
Speaker 1: That's not what I meant to say. What I'm meant
Speaker 1: to say. If it's not raining. Cold does not affect squirrel.
Speaker 1: The Pelluza was a little surprised rain does affect squirrel. Pelouza, Well, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get right into the heart of of this
Speaker 1: monumental episode of the Bare Honey magazine podcast. Um, we
Speaker 1: we need to break some news to people, Colby that
Speaker 1: that really no one would know. Uh. People may have
Speaker 1: noticed in the last two weeks we haven't put out
Speaker 1: a podcast. They might have just speculated that it was
Speaker 1: like the holidays or something. Um, but it was It's
Speaker 1: a little bit deeper than that, and this is really
Speaker 1: a Uh we're extremely excited to say that this is
Speaker 1: the final episode of the Bear Honey magazine podcast. Yep.
Speaker 1: Those words are They may seem counterintuitive because I said,
Speaker 1: we're excited to say that this is the final Bear
Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine podcast episode. Yep. We currently have made how
Speaker 1: many podcasts have we made? A hundred and this will
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen podcasts. So basically, for the last two
Speaker 1: and a half years, we have produced a weekly podcast,
Speaker 1: maybe just missing a week or two random times. The
Speaker 1: reason I'm excited to say this, Colby, is because we
Speaker 1: have a big announcement that I think it's gonna make
Speaker 1: everybody happy, is that we are starting a new podcast.
Speaker 1: So though this is not though this is the last
Speaker 1: episode of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast in its current form,
Speaker 1: this is not the last that you're gonna hear from this. Uh.
Speaker 1: This this chance annal and we're starting a podcast with
Speaker 1: meat Eater as we as we told people before, I
Speaker 1: now work for meat Eater, also work for Bear Hunting Magazine.
Speaker 1: None of that's changed. Um, I still publish an edit
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine. You still work for bar Haunting Magazine.
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine has never been better. Um. And but
Speaker 1: I do work for meat Eater, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: been an incredible three months. And from the very beginning
Speaker 1: we have been formulating with meat Eater a podcast. And
Speaker 1: as many people know, meat Eater has a suite of podcasts. People,
Speaker 1: unless you're really paying attention, sometimes this isn't it's not intuitive.
Speaker 1: But there is such a thing as the meat Eater podcast.
Speaker 1: Let's just speak clear here. The Meteator podcast is Steve
Speaker 1: Ronelli's podcast. Okay, meat Eater to the company has a
Speaker 1: suite of podcasts, and those podcasts, aside from the meter podcast,
Speaker 1: would be the Hunting Collective with Ben O'Brien, Wired to
Speaker 1: Hunt with Mark Kenyon, Bent with Joseph Mellie and Miles Nolte,
Speaker 1: Umw's We Can Review with Ryan Callahan and Warren Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm coaching. When you when you say them all on
Speaker 1: the line, it's hard. Well, there's gonna be another one,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be it's gonna be a podcast that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do for me eater, Okay, And we can't
Speaker 1: go into extreme detail or much details all other than that,
Speaker 1: if you are currently subscribed to this RSS feed, one
Speaker 1: day in the near future, you're gonna wake up and
Speaker 1: you're gonna look on your phone and it's gonna say boom,
Speaker 1: something that's gonna say podcast and you might even see
Speaker 1: a picture of me. I don't know, maybe not. Don't
Speaker 1: look for a picture of me. Just it's gonna say podcasts,
Speaker 1: not meat Eater, and you need to listen to that
Speaker 1: podcast because we're doing something different. We're doing something that's
Speaker 1: very different than this, and I'm very confident that it's
Speaker 1: gonna be enjoyable, and it's been enjoyable for me so far.
Speaker 1: It really has been very very neat stuff. So stay tuned,
Speaker 1: just keep watching your podcast feed. And all I can
Speaker 1: say is sometime in the near future, this RSS feed
Speaker 1: will transition into that media podcast. So there we haven't
Speaker 1: there it is. Um. What I wanted to do today
Speaker 1: on this final episode was kind of go back and
Speaker 1: track a little bit of our our history pod casting
Speaker 1: and maybe me even tell a little bit of my
Speaker 1: personal journey into this form of media. And um, and
Speaker 1: I want to hear some of your stuff too, Coldy.
Speaker 1: You know, for the last year and a half, almost
Speaker 1: two years, I guess you've been producing the podcast for me. Um.
Speaker 1: But let me say that I originally was hesitant to
Speaker 1: get into podcasting. I was a little bit late to
Speaker 1: the game of podcasting. Five years ago podcasts where like
Speaker 1: like everybody started to have podcasting, and every month forward
Speaker 1: that we went from that time, it was like, you
Speaker 1: need a podcast, you need a podcast. People were telling me, Clay,
Speaker 1: you ought to do a podcast, You ought to do
Speaker 1: a podcast, And to be honest with you, I was
Speaker 1: leary to do it because first of all, I just
Speaker 1: wasn't sure that I wasn't sure how if it would
Speaker 1: be valuable to people. And secondly, from a real per
Speaker 1: personal position, Kolbe. All these forms of media that I
Speaker 1: had done in the past allowed me to kind of
Speaker 1: script how I wanted to be portrayed and how much
Speaker 1: of myself that I showed people. Those other forms of
Speaker 1: media allowed me to be very conservative with those things.
Speaker 1: For instance, like video, Like you might you might think
Speaker 1: that video is like, oh wow, they're seeing your face.
Speaker 1: They're here and you talk, they're seeing what you do. Well,
Speaker 1: if you're making video, you you can be very you.
Speaker 1: You release what you want to release. Um, if you're
Speaker 1: being a writer magazine, I mean you're hidden behind a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of other stuff. Uh, you don't have you
Speaker 1: You you tell the reader what you want to tell
Speaker 1: the reader. Podcast is pretty different. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I don't have control of what I say, because I do.
Speaker 1: But when you have an hour to two hours every
Speaker 1: week of free flow comp versation with another person, you
Speaker 1: reveal a whole lot about who you are. And up
Speaker 1: until two and a half years ago, I was not
Speaker 1: comfortable with that. I just didn't. I just didn't feel
Speaker 1: like it was the right time. And something happened and
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, now's the time, and in
Speaker 1: my kind of journey. Many things have come about that way,
Speaker 1: just like it wasn't right, It wasn't right, it wasn't right,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it felt right, and
Speaker 1: I pulled the trigger. And when I pulled the trigger
Speaker 1: on anything, I tried to do it to the best
Speaker 1: of my ability, to try to make it as good
Speaker 1: as I could. And so I committed to making a
Speaker 1: weekly podcast and that ended up being like really significant
Speaker 1: for us and for our business, and not necessarily financially.
Speaker 1: I don't want to paint the picture that someone would
Speaker 1: think that like you're living in a dream world if
Speaker 1: you think you're to get rich off a podcast like ours.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not um. But inside of our
Speaker 1: business and inside of our mission statement of what we're
Speaker 1: trying to do in the bare Hunting world and in
Speaker 1: the honey world in general, and inside of this being
Speaker 1: a small business that me and you run, UM, it
Speaker 1: became really valuable to us, definitely because people, you know,
Speaker 1: people got to know us, people got to know what
Speaker 1: we valued, people got to see some really valuable, incredible people,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh so the Bare Honey Magazine podcast
Speaker 1: for me was a developmental tool personally, Like I tell
Speaker 1: I say this to some people, is that you know,
Speaker 1: human communication is like an extremely important part of our
Speaker 1: lives and whatever field you live in. I mean, you
Speaker 1: may think you don't need to communicate, but you do.
Speaker 1: And uh, to practice communicating in a thoughtful way is
Speaker 1: it is very developmental, especially when you're talking with experts,
Speaker 1: or you're talking with people that have some knowledge that
Speaker 1: you don't have, or you're trying to mind something out
Speaker 1: of them that you know they have that maybe they
Speaker 1: don't even know they have, but you see it. And Uh,
Speaker 1: I can go back to the first podcast that I
Speaker 1: did two and a half years ago, and I can
Speaker 1: hear a difference in the way that I think and
Speaker 1: talk even and inside of my life. Colbe moorehead, I
Speaker 1: value personal development at all levels. Um, I'm not happy
Speaker 1: with the human that I am today. I mean, I'm content,
Speaker 1: but I know that there's developmental processes inside of me
Speaker 1: that are good. It's good for me to stretch myself
Speaker 1: and to grow in knowledge and all all kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And to me, the podcast has been a massive platform
Speaker 1: for personal development. I've had to overcome. Uh. I mean
Speaker 1: you may not hear it, but I mean there's been
Speaker 1: times in this podcast when I have had overcome insecurity
Speaker 1: and fear. Um, there's been there's been administrative difficulties on
Speaker 1: organizing and getting things set up. And I mean we've
Speaker 1: we've traveled extensively at times just for the podcast to
Speaker 1: go meet people, which may not have made sense. It's like, golly,
Speaker 1: you're gonna drive eight hours one way and do it
Speaker 1: to our podcast and turn around and come back. Um.
Speaker 1: You know it took dedication, sacrifice, some discipline, some time management,
Speaker 1: all these things, and I think those things are really
Speaker 1: positive for sure. And uh, I know it was development
Speaker 1: inside of you. And you know you've not been on
Speaker 1: every podcast, I mean so, but you've you've been on
Speaker 1: a lot of them, and you put your hands on
Speaker 1: almost all of them on the back side of production
Speaker 1: and different things, and a lot of them would have
Speaker 1: been you know, you would have had influence that people
Speaker 1: wouldn't see, like maybe an idea for a podcast, or
Speaker 1: how you ought to talk to that person or this person,
Speaker 1: and uh, can you speak to that in any way? Kobe? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, for one thing, the technological side of it,
Speaker 1: Like I had to be pretty technical. Whenever a challenge
Speaker 1: would come up, I would have to do some research
Speaker 1: and figure out how to how to manage that. Uh,
Speaker 1: even the equipment we have today took a process. So
Speaker 1: like if you if you listen to the earlier ones,
Speaker 1: it sounds so much different than it does now. And
Speaker 1: so there was just like growth inside of that process. Um.
Speaker 1: But even just like you know, being willing to uh
Speaker 1: always struggle with jumping into a conversation, and so I
Speaker 1: think that you know, it made it to where I'm
Speaker 1: you know, had to. I had to develop that a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, It's like I still have more
Speaker 1: room to grow inside of those things. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like there has been development inside of
Speaker 1: that uh that area, and even just you know, thinking
Speaker 1: about possible topics in and knowing that not everything that
Speaker 1: I bring is um going to be necessarily a good
Speaker 1: idea like on brand or whatever we want to do
Speaker 1: inside the podcast, but it was still like a valued idea.
Speaker 1: Just so just being willing to that mean that builds
Speaker 1: a sense of vulnerability. It's like I'm willing to share
Speaker 1: something even though it's shot down, and I know it's
Speaker 1: still valued. You know. You know, collaboration is just that
Speaker 1: kolbe when you're partnering with somebody to do something. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that yeah, that's because for the one good idea,
Speaker 1: there may have been four that they weren't bad ideas,
Speaker 1: but they just weren't the idea. Yeah, you know, so
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or even like what we name these what
Speaker 1: we name the podcast is sometimes the hardest thing, you know,
Speaker 1: or what we write up about it or anything. And
Speaker 1: so just even inside of that learning how to think
Speaker 1: in different ways of just like how is you know,
Speaker 1: in communications like sometimes and what the things that we've
Speaker 1: been doing. It's not a two way conversation, So it's
Speaker 1: learned to think in a way that we share something
Speaker 1: in it and it conveys a message to where there's
Speaker 1: not like some follow up question or something, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I think so even inside of that form
Speaker 1: of communication, it's something that it's helped me think in
Speaker 1: a different way. And even now, I mean it's that
Speaker 1: thing is going to continue to go even without being
Speaker 1: involved in the podcast, but just inside the magazine and
Speaker 1: and what information we put out on social media and everything,
Speaker 1: it's forming a different way of how to engage in
Speaker 1: a thought, you know, not like here's a recipe for
Speaker 1: how you do something every time, But it's just learning
Speaker 1: a new way to think and so that that's been
Speaker 1: a process that's I don't know how like tangible it
Speaker 1: can be, but it's definitely something that's that's real, that's
Speaker 1: happened in the background. Yeah that's good man, that's good.
Speaker 1: You know. So aside to from like this personal process
Speaker 1: that both you and I have had inside of producing
Speaker 1: this kind of media, UM, we've also put out a
Speaker 1: lot of good information for bear hunters, and not just
Speaker 1: bear hunters. I told somebody the other day about one
Speaker 1: in every five bear Hunting magazine podcast we talked about
Speaker 1: bear hunting. Uh. So you know, for somebody that maybe
Speaker 1: has isn't familiar with the style of content that we have. UM,
Speaker 1: we don't always talk about bear hunting. We've we've kind
Speaker 1: of let this podcast be a platform for just whatever
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about that was outdoor related, hunting related.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've had some to this day some of
Speaker 1: the most commented on podcasts that we it had to
Speaker 1: do with the ones on raising kids and building family culture. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think the last night I got a big,
Speaker 1: long email from some guy that had never listened to
Speaker 1: our podcasts. But kind of started listening to several of
Speaker 1: them found that one, and then when he did, he
Speaker 1: started listening to all the rest of him. I mean,
Speaker 1: that doesn't directly tie the bear hunting. That was a
Speaker 1: idea it probably it was. It was building family culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so but to me, it's it all fits
Speaker 1: so well together because I mean I always say this,
Speaker 1: but hunting, the actual acquisition of wild protein is always
Speaker 1: about something bigger, and that's something bigger has always been
Speaker 1: about feeding your family, feeding people, and so like to
Speaker 1: be some great hunter, and we say it all the time,
Speaker 1: but to be some great hunter, but to be to
Speaker 1: to not be a successful husband and father or mother, Um,
Speaker 1: there's a hole inside of that, you know. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: even the idea for that podcast wasn't like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is what people want to hear. It was because I
Speaker 1: feel like the thing inside of the podcast that we've
Speaker 1: done is trying to be authentic. So it's like it
Speaker 1: was something that you could authentically speak to because it
Speaker 1: was something that you actively build and pursue inside of
Speaker 1: your life, and it's and so it wasn't like a
Speaker 1: stretch to say, ho, let's do a podcast about this.
Speaker 1: It was this reflects like authenticity inside of what happens here,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I feel like inside of all
Speaker 1: these podcasts, it's been kind of a reflection of what's
Speaker 1: authentically something that you would do. Like even like the
Speaker 1: Snake podcast with Chris Jenkins, it was like you have
Speaker 1: a fascination for snakes, you know, and uh, the same
Speaker 1: thing with like personal development, white tail hunting, squirrel hunting,
Speaker 1: coon hunting you oh uh. And just like valuing people,
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the common threats too. So
Speaker 1: like the or Province podcast or you know, Most Shepherd
Speaker 1: or James Lawrence or your dad, like just all these people,
Speaker 1: it's like it wasn't like it's not that they're valued
Speaker 1: because of what they've done, is because of who they are,
Speaker 1: and they've they found a lifestyle and they they lived
Speaker 1: that lifestyle out that they were just they were authentic
Speaker 1: to you know, And I think that was really like
Speaker 1: one of the driving forces inside the podcast was was that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's something that you might not be able
Speaker 1: to nail down at times. But I mean I was
Speaker 1: thinking about even the Aaron Snyder podcast we did, It's
Speaker 1: like we didn't ask him questions that you would hear
Speaker 1: you know him asked on another podcast, and so that
Speaker 1: kind of identifies the value that we have or what
Speaker 1: we see as value inside of the podcast, inside of hunting,
Speaker 1: inside of our own lives. You know. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: good insight. And we have sought to be authentic and
Speaker 1: and at times that authenticity is just giving out good
Speaker 1: bear information, which we have. You know. Uh, it would
Speaker 1: be fun to go back through all the titles of
Speaker 1: the hundred and fifteen podcasts, because some of some of
Speaker 1: them were just like tactical, like dummies guy debating bears,
Speaker 1: how to how to judge bears, judge bears, um, you know,
Speaker 1: utilizing bear meat and bear fat, like, some of them
Speaker 1: were really practical, um and and functional. And I think
Speaker 1: that's really important because you know, I mean we do
Speaker 1: have a I mean inside of the context of what
Speaker 1: we're doing at Barony Magazine, I mean, we are trying
Speaker 1: to give people bear hunting information. But I think what
Speaker 1: we what we did was we maybe drew a lot
Speaker 1: of people that weren't bear hunters into this world through
Speaker 1: other things that they were interested in, whether it be
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting or deer hunting or family stuff or and
Speaker 1: then they got here and they they saw something, maybe
Speaker 1: they got interested in bear hunting, And I don't really care.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I do have I do want people
Speaker 1: to be interested in bear hunting, but not just for
Speaker 1: the sake of people going out and killing more bear.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I'm interested in bear hunting because people
Speaker 1: getting interested. I'm interested in people getting interested in bear
Speaker 1: hunting because I feel like it's a critical component of
Speaker 1: the North American hunting model, and also know that it
Speaker 1: is a part of the model that is in jeopardy
Speaker 1: because of anti hunting sentiment and many different other things. Culturally,
Speaker 1: I mean, just just the idea that the average person
Speaker 1: you walk up to on the street be fun to
Speaker 1: do this, Like just go ask somebody, do you humans
Speaker 1: eat bear? In um, It depends on where you were
Speaker 1: asking that question. Some places, you know, probably eight out
Speaker 1: of ten would say yes. Some places ten out of
Speaker 1: ten would say no. So just this kind of cultural
Speaker 1: idea that bears aren't a usable resource, it's actually detrimental
Speaker 1: to the whole of North American hunting. Yeah, So that's
Speaker 1: why I think it's good to educate people about bear hunting,
Speaker 1: Educate people about the commodities that we get from bear
Speaker 1: hunting and how we actually use more of a bear
Speaker 1: than we do in almost any other kind of critter
Speaker 1: that we hunt. In this connection to food and wildlife
Speaker 1: related commodities, utilitary and resource of wildlife is really a
Speaker 1: strong point of relevancy in is we continue to rebrand
Speaker 1: what hunting is to a population that often doesn't understand.
Speaker 1: And so by us being able to put a good
Speaker 1: light on bear hunting, I think strengthens the whole of
Speaker 1: North American hunting. And so that's why it's important for
Speaker 1: people to be bear hunters, I think, and to just
Speaker 1: have an understanding of it. I had we had a
Speaker 1: call this morning from a guy from Western Tennessee and
Speaker 1: he had found the podcast and subscribed and he was
Speaker 1: calling to renew and he just said, you know, I
Speaker 1: get this and I read it cover to cover as
Speaker 1: soon as I get it. He said, it's one of
Speaker 1: two magazines that up to subscribe to and I have
Speaker 1: no plans of bear hunting, but I really like love
Speaker 1: the magazine. And so inside of that he has a
Speaker 1: really positive light of of what bear hunting looks like.
Speaker 1: In an appreciation for him even though he doesn't, you know,
Speaker 1: plan on hunting him himself, you know, unless the population
Speaker 1: in western Tennessee explodes, and you know, maybe in that scenario.
Speaker 1: But I thought that was really interesting that you really
Speaker 1: love the magazine and what what this what's putting out
Speaker 1: being put out without any drive to pursue them yourself.
Speaker 1: And uh, but at the same time he's he's learning
Speaker 1: the value of them and you know, you could tell
Speaker 1: he valued them and in this type of hunting and
Speaker 1: that uh that we do. Um, I just thought that
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Man. I love people from Tennessee. Yeah, did.
Speaker 1: It was a real pleasure to talk to you typical Tennessee.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, man there, did you know that, um,
Speaker 1: the Ozarks were settled at one time, like over half
Speaker 1: of the people that lived in the Ozarks had directly
Speaker 1: migrated from Tennessee. I did not know that. Okay, now
Speaker 1: you do. Now you know why I love people from
Speaker 1: Tennessee because it's our cultures are a mirror reflection. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's good. And that's good. Intel man. Well,
Speaker 1: don't for a minute think that because we're not producing
Speaker 1: this podcast, that we're not producing our our our magazine.
Speaker 1: Because bare Honting Magazine is uh is going to continue
Speaker 1: to function, and we're excited that this new podcast, um,
Speaker 1: which isn't And I'm gonna go ahead and leak a
Speaker 1: small bit of intel about the content of this podcast.
Speaker 1: It's not there focus. Now. Could I speak for more
Speaker 1: than ten minutes without talking about Bear? Probably not? Okay,
Speaker 1: you following me, I'm but it's not Bear focused like
Speaker 1: like this like our podcast has been. So I think
Speaker 1: that would excite a lot of people maybe or you know,
Speaker 1: it would be like, oh, okay, what's it about then, Clay,
Speaker 1: You'll have to find out, is what I would say. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so we're excited about it and uh and we're I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna free Zue up to even continue to
Speaker 1: make our print magazine even better, better content. I really do.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good. Yeah, It's definitely gonna free up
Speaker 1: some time for me to focus on those things more. Yeah. Yeah, great. Well,
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do just briefly was talk about
Speaker 1: kind of a few experiences that I've had. I kind
Speaker 1: of tell gave a general overview of the podcast, but
Speaker 1: there are several that stand out to me that would
Speaker 1: be like, um, just behind the scenes things that when
Speaker 1: I think about this two and a half years of
Speaker 1: doing this podcast. What stood out to me and I
Speaker 1: want you to I want you to think about it,
Speaker 1: to Kobe, like like be thinking of and the like
Speaker 1: us going somewhere or somebody that was here that you know,
Speaker 1: just let's just talk a little bit about it. But
Speaker 1: the first the first one that I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about as Ori Province, um Ori Province, It's It's The
Speaker 1: episode was Old Mountain Hunter. It was on our Greatest Hits.
Speaker 1: A portion of it was on our Greatest Hits podcast.
Speaker 1: I interviewed Ori Province ten years ago and oor he
Speaker 1: lives way out in the mountains um for Arkansas. He
Speaker 1: lives about as far back as you can live. And
Speaker 1: most shepherd told me about our province and he said, hey,
Speaker 1: there's an old man that lives, you know, down in
Speaker 1: this place and he's killed two huge bucks and you
Speaker 1: ought to go interview and it was for a different magazine.
Speaker 1: I go to or Province's house meet him and he's
Speaker 1: just a he's a relic, you know, I mean, like
Speaker 1: he is like uh for for and I met him, well,
Speaker 1: I would have been like two thousand twelve or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, at the time of it was just he
Speaker 1: was a relic of a man, you know, not influenced
Speaker 1: by the trends of the times very much. And he'd
Speaker 1: lived out there his whole life was a logger, was
Speaker 1: all this. And uh, I took a photograph of him
Speaker 1: with his deer head hanging on a barn and or
Speaker 1: he was a not a very tall guy. Or he
Speaker 1: was probably five ft seven or six maybe, and uh,
Speaker 1: he he was standing in front of his barn, and
Speaker 1: he had a big set of shed antlers in his hands,
Speaker 1: standing by one of his big bucks. And I caught
Speaker 1: him in this photo laughing. And I showed that picture
Speaker 1: to my wife years ago, and she said, My wife
Speaker 1: said something to me that kind of shaped the way
Speaker 1: that I thought about what I was doing. And she said, Clay,
Speaker 1: you're a cultural anthropologist. Like I mean, she said it
Speaker 1: in such a way that I mean, it wasn't. I
Speaker 1: just was like, what do you mean by that? You know,
Speaker 1: anthropology is the the study of of humans and the
Speaker 1: study of human history and um. And she said, that
Speaker 1: picture is special. You captured something of the ozarks that's unique.
Speaker 1: And uh, and it kind of to me. I was
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing when I interviewed
Speaker 1: this guy and that kind of put some It didn't
Speaker 1: really define anything for me because I didn't change anything
Speaker 1: any way that I was doing anything, but it kind
Speaker 1: of gave value to what I was doing as I
Speaker 1: was going to some of these guys and talking to
Speaker 1: him and UM. Later I would come back into a
Speaker 1: podcast with Or almost ten years later, went back and
Speaker 1: did a podcast and I loved it. When Mr Or
Speaker 1: I said, do you know what a podcast is? And
Speaker 1: he said, nope, I never heard of her. And in Uh,
Speaker 1: we recorded this podcast with him and UM a month later,
Speaker 1: Or Province was ninety one at the time, and a
Speaker 1: month later Or he passed away, and we had this
Speaker 1: hour and a half to two hour conversation about his life.
Speaker 1: You know, most of it was about his life. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even about his hunting, even though we did talk
Speaker 1: about hunting. His wife was there, she talked, and Uh,
Speaker 1: it was just special, Like I just was grateful I
Speaker 1: would have had that conversation with him if we were
Speaker 1: recording it or not, and it would have been like
Speaker 1: highly valuable had my son with me. UM. And we
Speaker 1: portray values to our children in so many ways, but
Speaker 1: the biggest way is by just what we value and
Speaker 1: what we expose them to. My dad was kind of
Speaker 1: a in a way, an armchair cultural anthropologist or or
Speaker 1: now that I like, you know, kind of evaluate the
Speaker 1: things that I enjoy and value. I got it from
Speaker 1: him because my dad used to take me. If some
Speaker 1: of my most bright memories as a kid was my
Speaker 1: dad taken me two some old and there's one guy
Speaker 1: in particular that I see in my mind and I
Speaker 1: don't even know his name, I know where he lived,
Speaker 1: but but it was a I mean, just as country
Speaker 1: a man as there is in Arkansas. And this guy
Speaker 1: killed buck and my dad knew him. And Dad met
Speaker 1: the guy somewhere and the guy told him he killed
Speaker 1: a big buck, and Dad said, hey, we'd like to
Speaker 1: come out to your house and see it. I mean,
Speaker 1: my dad loved big deer. And so we drove out
Speaker 1: there and I remember hearing that man talk and seeing
Speaker 1: his house and seeing the way that he lived. And
Speaker 1: they were poor, they were dirt poor. And my dad,
Speaker 1: who was a banker, my dad was a professional, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was like a you know, I saw the value
Speaker 1: that he attributed to that man. And as a kid,
Speaker 1: that really impacted me because Dad didn't diminish that guy
Speaker 1: for being dirt poor, And I mean I had stark
Speaker 1: recollection that this man's life was different than mine just
Speaker 1: and uh oh, my dad painted that guy like he
Speaker 1: was a hero. And that stuck with me forever. And
Speaker 1: he didn't do that just once. He we did that
Speaker 1: like my whole childhood. Somebody to kill a big deer
Speaker 1: and we drive to go see it, and we'd talked
Speaker 1: to that person. And sometimes people we knew, sometimes people
Speaker 1: we didn't. And so that's kind of the like going
Speaker 1: to some guy's house and talking to him and interviewing
Speaker 1: him was like kind of second nature. You know. My
Speaker 1: dad wasn't recording what he was doing, but essentially he
Speaker 1: was the other thing. And I'm kind of off on
Speaker 1: a different tangent with my dad, But my dad, I
Speaker 1: remember when right before hunting season he would get on
Speaker 1: the phone and talk to his hunting buddies. And you know,
Speaker 1: back in the day, just picking up a telephone in
Speaker 1: your house is the way you communicated. So you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be talking about your cell phone in a truck. You know,
Speaker 1: you go back home and once they got dark and
Speaker 1: you had dinner, you'd pick up the phone and dial
Speaker 1: somebody's home phone number and they'd pick up the phone. Well,
Speaker 1: we had two phones in the house, one in the
Speaker 1: front and one in the back. And when he'd called
Speaker 1: John Mesco to talk about deer hunting that weekend, I'd say, Hey, Dad,
Speaker 1: can I get on the other end? Can I on
Speaker 1: the other phone and listen to y'all talk? And so
Speaker 1: I'd go to the back bedroom and pick up the
Speaker 1: phone and I wouldn't say a word, I just listen,
Speaker 1: and I'd listen to them talk about deer hunting. And
Speaker 1: now I recognize the influence that just listening to those
Speaker 1: men talk had on me. Now that inside of a podcast,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing all the time. And I
Speaker 1: I valued, uh, listening to grown men talk. No, but
Speaker 1: and my dad probably put that inside of me, But
Speaker 1: it was kind of innate, almost like if two men
Speaker 1: were talking, I was gonna be like eavesdropping. I was
Speaker 1: gonna be listening to what they said, not saying anything, um,
Speaker 1: but just listening and UM. So I said all that
Speaker 1: to say like that or province podcast to me just
Speaker 1: stands out. It's like really unique, partly because he's not
Speaker 1: with us anymore. And I realized what a jewel it
Speaker 1: was to have that audio recording and and his family
Speaker 1: is what told me that, you know, his family now
Speaker 1: has that recording which they wouldn't have had before. That
Speaker 1: has value for them. You know. Um, that one stands
Speaker 1: out to me that podcast. Do any of them stand
Speaker 1: out to you, Kobe? I mean that one does. That
Speaker 1: was one of the first ones that that we did
Speaker 1: after I had gotten here. I think I remember meeting
Speaker 1: you in chef ad had a restaurant afterwards, like kind
Speaker 1: of halfway in between. Yeah, you weren't there, but you
Speaker 1: you came down and I called you were at the
Speaker 1: office and I called you and said, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna eat lunch over here. You ought to meet us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was it was It was cool. I you know,
Speaker 1: I think I remember just kind of the scenarios around
Speaker 1: podcast more than the actual content and just the people themselves.
Speaker 1: I know that the when when we did our kind
Speaker 1: of like month hand a podcast tour, it was fun.
Speaker 1: We just do one after the other and just drive
Speaker 1: here and then drive a couple of hours and then
Speaker 1: do another one, and uh, just you know the people,
Speaker 1: you know, getting to meet the different people and and
Speaker 1: people that a lot of times you can look at
Speaker 1: it's just their drive. It's something that they chose to pursue.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a lot of value inside
Speaker 1: of that too. Uh. Even like at the beginning of
Speaker 1: COVID when we went up to the to the college
Speaker 1: and talked to oh I forget his name about just
Speaker 1: the history inside of inside of people that were in
Speaker 1: this you know, Arkansas region and all the books that
Speaker 1: he he had written. It's like, man, this guy has driven,
Speaker 1: you know, to just eat up everything they could and
Speaker 1: listen to well listen to podcasts like you know, and
Speaker 1: everything surrounding like Keith Sutton and and everything that he did,
Speaker 1: the life he had and and uh, everything that he pursued,
Speaker 1: and then just like hearing about like what his life's
Speaker 1: like now, you know. Uh, it's just you see, I'm
Speaker 1: attracted to authenticity and just people that are genuine and
Speaker 1: so even these like just being around James or Hearing,
Speaker 1: you know, being on the podcast with him or or
Speaker 1: mo or Hearing Advances the no podcast um Or when
Speaker 1: we recorded a podcast up in Washington with the guys
Speaker 1: from du with with um Buddy and and Jason Buddy
Speaker 1: and Jason w Yeah, so I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: just as far as content, it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: nail one down, but I just remember all the things
Speaker 1: surrounding them. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime we did if if, if
Speaker 1: there was a podcast done, it was encased by usually
Speaker 1: a lot of relationship around it, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes we interviewed strangers, uh, or you know, people we
Speaker 1: didn't know that well. Um. But the one thing that
Speaker 1: we did that is pretty rare, maybe maybe like really rare,
Speaker 1: is we never did an internet based podcast. Every single
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen of the hundred and fifteen episodes were
Speaker 1: done in person, even through covid um. And that was
Speaker 1: something that we wanted to do because I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like, um, I just felt like it would
Speaker 1: be more authentic and like people were like Clay, well,
Speaker 1: you're limiting yourself so much on your guests. It almost
Speaker 1: felt like it was cheating. Like if I use the internet,
Speaker 1: I could get any guests in the outdoor world that
Speaker 1: you know, would agree to come on the show. And
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I just wasn't interested in that.
Speaker 1: I mean I could have got and I could name
Speaker 1: like ten big names you know that, you know, and
Speaker 1: I could have had him on the show, but I'd
Speaker 1: rather have most Shepherd or a province. Brent Reeves, Jonathan Wilkins.
Speaker 1: I mean that guys that I can go beat with
Speaker 1: and talk to it. I mean sometimes we were traveling,
Speaker 1: I mean like going to Montana with Gym sessions of
Speaker 1: Husk Mall and oh jeez, we've been all over the place.
Speaker 1: And I didn't mean you forget Brent. I can't forget
Speaker 1: old Brent Reeves. He's always there. He's like the Life
Speaker 1: Nation podcast. Yeah, you don't have to mention Brent for
Speaker 1: him to be there. No, No, So you know, that
Speaker 1: was a decision that we made that I think ended
Speaker 1: up paying off big time, which wouldn't make sense, Like
Speaker 1: like people ask me that and they're like, well, people
Speaker 1: don't just ask me that. Like the daily battle that
Speaker 1: I had for the last two years is people messaging
Speaker 1: me saying, hey, you need to have this guy on
Speaker 1: your podcast, and the guy lives in New York and
Speaker 1: I I just have this like scripted thing that I write. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there would be awesome to have that guy on,
Speaker 1: but we only do in person podcasts, you know, So
Speaker 1: like you know, if I were up there or if
Speaker 1: he were down here, or we're in the same place,
Speaker 1: i'd be glad to do it. But but that was important,
Speaker 1: I think, um, because it it there was more invested
Speaker 1: in it. You know. It kind of feels a little
Speaker 1: bit cheap to me personally doing internet stuff. And not
Speaker 1: to say that I won't do that in the future,
Speaker 1: because on the next version of this podcast there will
Speaker 1: be some interased internet based stuff. It just kind of
Speaker 1: has to be for what we're doing, for the uniqueness
Speaker 1: of what we're doing, and that will be okay, but uh,
Speaker 1: but for this little section of time, that's what we did.
Speaker 1: To me, there were like categories of podcasts that we
Speaker 1: did that were really distinct and one of them would
Speaker 1: be like Dori Province podcast where we met with usually
Speaker 1: an older person, old timer. Um. And there were several
Speaker 1: that were very distinctive to me that we're just will
Speaker 1: be hallmarks forever in my life those times I spent
Speaker 1: with those guys. Um. One of them would be the
Speaker 1: podcast I've done with James Lawrence, my kind of personal
Speaker 1: mentor really good friend that I just have deep perspect for.
Speaker 1: The second one would be Roy clark Man old Roy
Speaker 1: Clark over in East Tennessee and Ira all Roy and
Speaker 1: Ira Man, incredible guys. I mean, man, when you talk
Speaker 1: to a Roy Clark again. He may have known what
Speaker 1: a podcast was because someone told him that I was
Speaker 1: coming and I was gonna do a podcast. But Roy
Speaker 1: would be the same way. You'd be like, Roy, you
Speaker 1: want to be on a podcast. I'd be like, sure,
Speaker 1: what's that? I mean, these guys did what they did
Speaker 1: not to get famer notoriety. They did it because they
Speaker 1: loved it. And uh, you know when Roy cried on
Speaker 1: our podcast, like that was a moment I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: And what was he doing. He was talking about his
Speaker 1: buddy and that was sitting across the room from and
Speaker 1: that wasn't even in the podcast. It was on our
Speaker 1: highlight reel and um and when Roy said, uh, he
Speaker 1: said that his friend when he was in the fourth
Speaker 1: grade wrote him a Valentine's card that said we bear hunters,
Speaker 1: ain't we? Roy? And uh, ma'am, you just can't. You
Speaker 1: can't write that kind of stuff. And I I've used
Speaker 1: that since then. I made a post the other day
Speaker 1: on Instagram which is essentially the modern Valentine's card and
Speaker 1: I had a picture of Shepherd and Bear and my
Speaker 1: nephew Christian and I were coon hunting, and I said,
Speaker 1: we coon hunters, Um, but no Roy Clark Man incredible,
Speaker 1: incredible conversation we had with him Advance. I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't talk about our podcast without talking about Advance. And
Speaker 1: that was a really unique one because we went all
Speaker 1: the way to California for that UM and went to
Speaker 1: his house. That one was a stretch because he didn't
Speaker 1: know me. I didn't know him. I just read the
Speaker 1: man's book and I was like, this is a guy
Speaker 1: I want to talk to. And uh, we went to California,
Speaker 1: him up and they treated us like we were family,
Speaker 1: you know, And I brought my whole family to his house.
Speaker 1: And to this day, you know, we're friends with with
Speaker 1: Ed and his wife and just incredible people. Um. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm scrolling through here on some of these other podcasts, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, i'd i'd categorized him O Shepherd in that
Speaker 1: same category to most been on several times and and
Speaker 1: MO most not quite an old guy. If he's listening
Speaker 1: to this, I'm gonna give him the I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna call him an old guy because he still
Speaker 1: probably walk up mountains better than me, But Bud, he
Speaker 1: but mo. The The other thing that we did that
Speaker 1: people loved and that I loved was we interviewed a
Speaker 1: lot of biologists. I got right down to the nitty gritty.
Speaker 1: I've always loved biology. I've always loved people that actually
Speaker 1: had the data, had the research. It wasn't anecdotal, it
Speaker 1: wasn't just like a hunter that just had these isolated observations,
Speaker 1: even though would they be a lifetime of observations. Sometimes
Speaker 1: biology tells a different story and I don't I don't
Speaker 1: want to be caught up in the wrong facts, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, science helps us not do that.
Speaker 1: So we met with my Iron Means and Sarah Lyda
Speaker 1: and uh Laura Conley and uh other biologists. Who else
Speaker 1: did we meet with? Um? I hope I'm not missing somebody.
Speaker 1: Those were the main ones, and we met with them
Speaker 1: even several times at different times over in Oklahoma. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeff Ford, Yeah, my buddy Jeff Ford over in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Bara biologists. UM, incredible stuff. Incredible stuff. We uh. But
Speaker 1: we also did a lot of detailed, tactical style podcast
Speaker 1: so we had like these the the the interview in
Speaker 1: the old Guys Biologists, and then I would say tactical
Speaker 1: how to stuff that. Oftentimes I'd have Brent Reeves, Ryan
Speaker 1: Grab or other experts. Uh. Heath Martin was on one
Speaker 1: of them. Uh mo would have been categorized in one
Speaker 1: of those, um and where we where we would just
Speaker 1: nail down specific stuff and tactics. And some of those
Speaker 1: podcasts are are great resources that we refer to people
Speaker 1: all the time. Somebody will write us and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: tell me about baiting bears and we'll go, Man, just
Speaker 1: listen to that podcast. We talked about it and told
Speaker 1: everything that we knew. So those are important judging black bears,
Speaker 1: uh black bear shot placement. Um. We also had some
Speaker 1: fun storytelling podcasts. Brent Reeves and on episode that Eddie
Speaker 1: Ford did a Dueling Stories podcast which was about an
Speaker 1: hour and fifteen minutes long where we just swap stories.
Speaker 1: Just I would tell a story, then he'd tell a story.
Speaker 1: I'd tell the story, he'd tell the story, and we
Speaker 1: we told some good ones. Um. But we we also
Speaker 1: had some We had Cam Spinks on the podcast Country
Speaker 1: music Guy talked about his hunting and his music, and
Speaker 1: he was on what was he on the voice the Voice,
Speaker 1: Blake Shelton's the Voice, and he talked about that we
Speaker 1: went and visited old Ted Nugent. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: unique podcast for sure. Um oh man, the stories we
Speaker 1: can tell about that, you just have to go listen
Speaker 1: to the podcast. We Ted welcomed us into his home.
Speaker 1: They were both very hospitable, very hospitable. Um, just very
Speaker 1: unique people. Yeah, for sure. We also had a lot
Speaker 1: of in the field podcasts that were that we're talking
Speaker 1: about what we're doing, Like if we're in Montana bear hunting,
Speaker 1: we'd do a podcast like in the field if we
Speaker 1: did want an elk hunt in Montana. I've done many
Speaker 1: podcasts in the field in Arkansas, like at a camp,
Speaker 1: at a Turkey camp, at our bear camp, at our
Speaker 1: deer camps, um, around the Yeah, we've done podcast in
Speaker 1: outfitters camps and those are always really good. Get some
Speaker 1: good intel, kind of get a feel for what it's
Speaker 1: like to hunt in that particular place. Um. Credible stuff. Man. Well, Hey,
Speaker 1: the main thing that I want to portray is that
Speaker 1: this season of interviewing people in these long form formats
Speaker 1: has been special to me. I've enjoyed it and I
Speaker 1: hope you have to. And all these podcasts will remain
Speaker 1: available as the new meat Eat podcasts begins, they will
Speaker 1: remain available so you'll be able to go back and
Speaker 1: listen to these or share them or whatever, and I
Speaker 1: hope that you will. Kolbe closing thoughts, It's been a
Speaker 1: fun right, been a fun ride. Yeah, a lot of value. Yep. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you all for for listening to us and for
Speaker 1: the support just that you've given us by listening, by
Speaker 1: supporting our advertiser, all the you know, I'm gonna ding
Speaker 1: all the bells, you know, just just the support that
Speaker 1: you've given us, subscribing to Barroonning magazine, buying merchandise from us,
Speaker 1: all that stuff is uh, we do deeply appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And as we sign off for the final time in
Speaker 1: this format, the Barrowning Magazine podcast, which it's not just
Speaker 1: this format, I mean Bear Hunting Magazine podcast is no
Speaker 1: more and uh truly think I think all of you guys, gals, kids,
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. And for the last time, keep the
Speaker 1: wild places wild because that's where the bears live. Yep.
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