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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the

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Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast. I'll also be your host into

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Speaker 1: the world of hunting the icon of the North American

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Speaker 1: Colby moorehead. Hey, welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Global headquarters. Man,

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Speaker 1: this covid stuff has it's knocked out. Colby has been

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Speaker 1: uh working remotely, yeah, we'll say, yeah, but working hard. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: working hard. Bear Hunting Magazine, North Hunting Magazine North. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know that we're deep in the heart of squirrel

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Speaker 1: a pellooza really, oh of course, yeah, this is deep

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we have something going on in the evening.

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Speaker 1: Usually we're hunting in the evenings. But we're trying to

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Speaker 1: ornaments are done. It's not that season, so like like

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Speaker 1: I'm already making some Christmas ornaments for next year. Well,

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Speaker 1: Kolby is referring to as a video that I made

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Speaker 1: And I say, yes, probably go tomorrow. We may go

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Speaker 1: Those words are They may seem counterintuitive because I said,

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Speaker 1: the value of them and you know, you could tell

427
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: he valued them and in this type of hunting and

428
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: that uh that we do. Um, I just thought that

429
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. Man. I love people from Tennessee. Yeah, did.

430
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: It was a real pleasure to talk to you typical Tennessee.

431
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, man there, did you know that, um,

432
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: the Ozarks were settled at one time, like over half

433
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: of the people that lived in the Ozarks had directly

434
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: migrated from Tennessee. I did not know that. Okay, now

435
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: you do. Now you know why I love people from

436
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: Tennessee because it's our cultures are a mirror reflection. Yeah.

437
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's good. And that's good. Intel man. Well,

438
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: don't for a minute think that because we're not producing

439
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: this podcast, that we're not producing our our our magazine.

440
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Because bare Honting Magazine is uh is going to continue

441
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: to function, and we're excited that this new podcast, um,

442
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: which isn't And I'm gonna go ahead and leak a

443
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: small bit of intel about the content of this podcast.

444
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: It's not there focus. Now. Could I speak for more

445
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: than ten minutes without talking about Bear? Probably not? Okay,

446
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: you following me, I'm but it's not Bear focused like

447
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: like this like our podcast has been. So I think

448
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: that would excite a lot of people maybe or you know,

449
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: it would be like, oh, okay, what's it about then, Clay,

450
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: You'll have to find out, is what I would say. Yeah. Um,

451
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: so we're excited about it and uh and we're I

452
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: think it's gonna free Zue up to even continue to

453
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: make our print magazine even better, better content. I really do.

454
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good. Yeah, It's definitely gonna free up

455
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: some time for me to focus on those things more. Yeah. Yeah, great. Well,

456
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do just briefly was talk about

457
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: kind of a few experiences that I've had. I kind

458
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: of tell gave a general overview of the podcast, but

459
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: there are several that stand out to me that would

460
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: be like, um, just behind the scenes things that when

461
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: I think about this two and a half years of

462
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: doing this podcast. What stood out to me and I

463
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: want you to I want you to think about it,

464
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: to Kobe, like like be thinking of and the like

465
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: us going somewhere or somebody that was here that you know,

466
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: just let's just talk a little bit about it. But

467
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: the first the first one that I wanted to talk

468
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: about as Ori Province, um Ori Province, It's It's The

469
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: episode was Old Mountain Hunter. It was on our Greatest Hits.

470
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: A portion of it was on our Greatest Hits podcast.

471
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: I interviewed Ori Province ten years ago and oor he

472
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: lives way out in the mountains um for Arkansas. He

473
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: lives about as far back as you can live. And

474
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: most shepherd told me about our province and he said, hey,

475
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: there's an old man that lives, you know, down in

476
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: this place and he's killed two huge bucks and you

477
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: ought to go interview and it was for a different magazine.

478
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: I go to or Province's house meet him and he's

479
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: just a he's a relic, you know, I mean, like

480
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: he is like uh for for and I met him, well,

481
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: I would have been like two thousand twelve or something.

482
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, at the time of it was just he

483
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: was a relic of a man, you know, not influenced

484
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: by the trends of the times very much. And he'd

485
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: lived out there his whole life was a logger, was

486
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: all this. And uh, I took a photograph of him

487
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: with his deer head hanging on a barn and or

488
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: he was a not a very tall guy. Or he

489
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: was probably five ft seven or six maybe, and uh,

490
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: he he was standing in front of his barn, and

491
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: he had a big set of shed antlers in his hands,

492
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: standing by one of his big bucks. And I caught

493
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: him in this photo laughing. And I showed that picture

494
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: to my wife years ago, and she said, My wife

495
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: said something to me that kind of shaped the way

496
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: that I thought about what I was doing. And she said, Clay,

497
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: you're a cultural anthropologist. Like I mean, she said it

498
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: in such a way that I mean, it wasn't. I

499
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: just was like, what do you mean by that? You know,

500
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: anthropology is the the study of of humans and the

501
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: study of human history and um. And she said, that

502
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: picture is special. You captured something of the ozarks that's unique.

503
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: And uh, and it kind of to me. I was

504
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing when I interviewed

505
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: this guy and that kind of put some It didn't

506
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: really define anything for me because I didn't change anything

507
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: any way that I was doing anything, but it kind

508
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: of gave value to what I was doing as I

509
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: was going to some of these guys and talking to

510
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: him and UM. Later I would come back into a

511
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: podcast with Or almost ten years later, went back and

512
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: did a podcast and I loved it. When Mr Or

513
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: I said, do you know what a podcast is? And

514
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: he said, nope, I never heard of her. And in Uh,

515
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: we recorded this podcast with him and UM a month later,

516
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Or Province was ninety one at the time, and a

517
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: month later Or he passed away, and we had this

518
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: hour and a half to two hour conversation about his life.

519
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: You know, most of it was about his life. It

520
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: wasn't even about his hunting, even though we did talk

521
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: about hunting. His wife was there, she talked, and Uh,

522
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: it was just special, Like I just was grateful I

523
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: would have had that conversation with him if we were

524
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: recording it or not, and it would have been like

525
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: highly valuable had my son with me. UM. And we

526
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: portray values to our children in so many ways, but

527
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: the biggest way is by just what we value and

528
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: what we expose them to. My dad was kind of

529
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: a in a way, an armchair cultural anthropologist or or

530
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: now that I like, you know, kind of evaluate the

531
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: things that I enjoy and value. I got it from

532
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: him because my dad used to take me. If some

533
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: of my most bright memories as a kid was my

534
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: dad taken me two some old and there's one guy

535
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: in particular that I see in my mind and I

536
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: don't even know his name, I know where he lived,

537
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: but but it was a I mean, just as country

538
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: a man as there is in Arkansas. And this guy

539
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: killed buck and my dad knew him. And Dad met

540
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: the guy somewhere and the guy told him he killed

541
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: a big buck, and Dad said, hey, we'd like to

542
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: come out to your house and see it. I mean,

543
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: my dad loved big deer. And so we drove out

544
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: there and I remember hearing that man talk and seeing

545
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: his house and seeing the way that he lived. And

546
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: they were poor, they were dirt poor. And my dad,

547
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: who was a banker, my dad was a professional, I mean,

548
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: he was like a you know, I saw the value

549
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: that he attributed to that man. And as a kid,

550
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: that really impacted me because Dad didn't diminish that guy

551
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: for being dirt poor, And I mean I had stark

552
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: recollection that this man's life was different than mine just

553
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: and uh oh, my dad painted that guy like he

554
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: was a hero. And that stuck with me forever. And

555
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: he didn't do that just once. He we did that

556
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: like my whole childhood. Somebody to kill a big deer

557
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 1: and we drive to go see it, and we'd talked

558
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: to that person. And sometimes people we knew, sometimes people

559
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: we didn't. And so that's kind of the like going

560
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: to some guy's house and talking to him and interviewing

561
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: him was like kind of second nature. You know. My

562
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: dad wasn't recording what he was doing, but essentially he

563
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: was the other thing. And I'm kind of off on

564
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: a different tangent with my dad, But my dad, I

565
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: remember when right before hunting season he would get on

566
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: the phone and talk to his hunting buddies. And you know,

567
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: back in the day, just picking up a telephone in

568
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: your house is the way you communicated. So you wouldn't

569
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: be talking about your cell phone in a truck. You know,

570
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: you go back home and once they got dark and

571
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: you had dinner, you'd pick up the phone and dial

572
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: somebody's home phone number and they'd pick up the phone. Well,

573
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: we had two phones in the house, one in the

574
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: front and one in the back. And when he'd called

575
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: John Mesco to talk about deer hunting that weekend, I'd say, Hey, Dad,

576
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: can I get on the other end? Can I on

577
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: the other phone and listen to y'all talk? And so

578
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: I'd go to the back bedroom and pick up the

579
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: phone and I wouldn't say a word, I just listen,

580
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: and I'd listen to them talk about deer hunting. And

581
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: now I recognize the influence that just listening to those

582
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: men talk had on me. Now that inside of a podcast,

583
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing all the time. And I

584
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: I valued, uh, listening to grown men talk. No, but

585
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: and my dad probably put that inside of me, But

586
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: it was kind of innate, almost like if two men

587
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: were talking, I was gonna be like eavesdropping. I was

588
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna be listening to what they said, not saying anything, um,

589
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: but just listening and UM. So I said all that

590
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: to say like that or province podcast to me just

591
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: stands out. It's like really unique, partly because he's not

592
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: with us anymore. And I realized what a jewel it

593
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: was to have that audio recording and and his family

594
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: is what told me that, you know, his family now

595
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: has that recording which they wouldn't have had before. That

596
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: has value for them. You know. Um, that one stands

597
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: out to me that podcast. Do any of them stand

598
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: out to you, Kobe? I mean that one does. That

599
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: was one of the first ones that that we did

600
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: after I had gotten here. I think I remember meeting

601
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: you in chef ad had a restaurant afterwards, like kind

602
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: of halfway in between. Yeah, you weren't there, but you

603
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: you came down and I called you were at the

604
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: office and I called you and said, hey, we're gonna

605
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna eat lunch over here. You ought to meet us. Yeah,

606
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: so it was it was It was cool. I you know,

607
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: I think I remember just kind of the scenarios around

608
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: podcast more than the actual content and just the people themselves.

609
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: I know that the when when we did our kind

610
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: of like month hand a podcast tour, it was fun.

611
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: We just do one after the other and just drive

612
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: here and then drive a couple of hours and then

613
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: do another one, and uh, just you know the people,

614
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, getting to meet the different people and and

615
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: people that a lot of times you can look at

616
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: it's just their drive. It's something that they chose to pursue.

617
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a lot of value inside

618
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: of that too. Uh. Even like at the beginning of

619
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: COVID when we went up to the to the college

620
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: and talked to oh I forget his name about just

621
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: the history inside of inside of people that were in

622
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: this you know, Arkansas region and all the books that

623
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: he he had written. It's like, man, this guy has driven,

624
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: you know, to just eat up everything they could and

625
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: listen to well listen to podcasts like you know, and

626
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: everything surrounding like Keith Sutton and and everything that he did,

627
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: the life he had and and uh, everything that he pursued,

628
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: and then just like hearing about like what his life's

629
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: like now, you know. Uh, it's just you see, I'm

630
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: attracted to authenticity and just people that are genuine and

631
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: so even these like just being around James or Hearing,

632
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, being on the podcast with him or or

633
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: mo or Hearing Advances the no podcast um Or when

634
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: we recorded a podcast up in Washington with the guys

635
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: from du with with um Buddy and and Jason Buddy

636
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: and Jason w Yeah, so I don't know. I mean,

637
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: just as far as content, it's hard for me to

638
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: nail one down, but I just remember all the things

639
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: surrounding them. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime we did if if, if

640
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: there was a podcast done, it was encased by usually

641
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: a lot of relationship around it, you know. I mean

642
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: sometimes we interviewed strangers, uh, or you know, people we

643
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: didn't know that well. Um. But the one thing that

644
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: we did that is pretty rare, maybe maybe like really rare,

645
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: is we never did an internet based podcast. Every single

646
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen of the hundred and fifteen episodes were

647
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: done in person, even through covid um. And that was

648
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: something that we wanted to do because I didn't I

649
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: didn't feel like, um, I just felt like it would

650
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: be more authentic and like people were like Clay, well,

651
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: you're limiting yourself so much on your guests. It almost

652
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: felt like it was cheating. Like if I use the internet,

653
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: I could get any guests in the outdoor world that

654
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, would agree to come on the show. And

655
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I just wasn't interested in that.

656
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean I could have got and I could name

657
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: like ten big names you know that, you know, and

658
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: I could have had him on the show, but I'd

659
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: rather have most Shepherd or a province. Brent Reeves, Jonathan Wilkins.

660
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean that guys that I can go beat with

661
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: and talk to it. I mean sometimes we were traveling,

662
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean like going to Montana with Gym sessions of

663
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: Husk Mall and oh jeez, we've been all over the place.

664
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Speaker 1: And I didn't mean you forget Brent. I can't forget

665
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: old Brent Reeves. He's always there. He's like the Life

666
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: Nation podcast. Yeah, you don't have to mention Brent for

667
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: him to be there. No, No, So you know, that

668
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: was a decision that we made that I think ended

669
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: up paying off big time, which wouldn't make sense, Like

670
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: like people ask me that and they're like, well, people

671
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: don't just ask me that. Like the daily battle that

672
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: I had for the last two years is people messaging

673
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: me saying, hey, you need to have this guy on

674
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: your podcast, and the guy lives in New York and

675
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: I I just have this like scripted thing that I write. Hey, man,

676
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure there would be awesome to have that guy on,

677
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: but we only do in person podcasts, you know, So

678
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: like you know, if I were up there or if

679
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: he were down here, or we're in the same place,

680
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: i'd be glad to do it. But but that was important,

681
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: I think, um, because it it there was more invested

682
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: in it. You know. It kind of feels a little

683
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: bit cheap to me personally doing internet stuff. And not

684
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: to say that I won't do that in the future,

685
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: because on the next version of this podcast there will

686
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: be some interased internet based stuff. It just kind of

687
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: has to be for what we're doing, for the uniqueness

688
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: of what we're doing, and that will be okay, but uh,

689
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: but for this little section of time, that's what we did.

690
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: To me, there were like categories of podcasts that we

691
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: did that were really distinct and one of them would

692
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: be like Dori Province podcast where we met with usually

693
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: an older person, old timer. Um. And there were several

694
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: that were very distinctive to me that we're just will

695
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: be hallmarks forever in my life those times I spent

696
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: with those guys. Um. One of them would be the

697
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: podcast I've done with James Lawrence, my kind of personal

698
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: mentor really good friend that I just have deep perspect for.

699
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: The second one would be Roy clark Man old Roy

700
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: Clark over in East Tennessee and Ira all Roy and

701
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: Ira Man, incredible guys. I mean, man, when you talk

702
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: to a Roy Clark again. He may have known what

703
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: a podcast was because someone told him that I was

704
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: coming and I was gonna do a podcast. But Roy

705
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: would be the same way. You'd be like, Roy, you

706
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: want to be on a podcast. I'd be like, sure,

707
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: what's that? I mean, these guys did what they did

708
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: not to get famer notoriety. They did it because they

709
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: loved it. And uh, you know when Roy cried on

710
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: our podcast, like that was a moment I'll never forget.

711
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: And what was he doing. He was talking about his

712
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: buddy and that was sitting across the room from and

713
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't even in the podcast. It was on our

714
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: highlight reel and um and when Roy said, uh, he

715
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: said that his friend when he was in the fourth

716
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: grade wrote him a Valentine's card that said we bear hunters,

717
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: ain't we? Roy? And uh, ma'am, you just can't. You

718
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: can't write that kind of stuff. And I I've used

719
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: that since then. I made a post the other day

720
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: on Instagram which is essentially the modern Valentine's card and

721
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: I had a picture of Shepherd and Bear and my

722
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: nephew Christian and I were coon hunting, and I said,

723
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: we coon hunters, Um, but no Roy Clark Man incredible,

724
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: incredible conversation we had with him Advance. I can't. I

725
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: can't talk about our podcast without talking about Advance. And

726
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: that was a really unique one because we went all

727
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: the way to California for that UM and went to

728
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: his house. That one was a stretch because he didn't

729
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: know me. I didn't know him. I just read the

730
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: man's book and I was like, this is a guy

731
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: I want to talk to. And uh, we went to California,

732
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: him up and they treated us like we were family,

733
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, And I brought my whole family to his house.

734
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 1: And to this day, you know, we're friends with with

735
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: Ed and his wife and just incredible people. Um. I'm

736
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm scrolling through here on some of these other podcasts, Uh,

737
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, i'd i'd categorized him O Shepherd in that

738
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: same category to most been on several times and and

739
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: MO most not quite an old guy. If he's listening

740
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: to this, I'm gonna give him the I mean, I'm

741
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: not gonna call him an old guy because he still

742
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: probably walk up mountains better than me, But Bud, he

743
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: but mo. The The other thing that we did that

744
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: people loved and that I loved was we interviewed a

745
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: lot of biologists. I got right down to the nitty gritty.

746
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I've always loved biology. I've always loved people that actually

747
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: had the data, had the research. It wasn't anecdotal, it

748
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: wasn't just like a hunter that just had these isolated observations,

749
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: even though would they be a lifetime of observations. Sometimes

750
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: biology tells a different story and I don't I don't

751
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: want to be caught up in the wrong facts, and

752
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, science helps us not do that.

753
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: So we met with my Iron Means and Sarah Lyda

754
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 1: and uh Laura Conley and uh other biologists. Who else

755
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: did we meet with? Um? I hope I'm not missing somebody.

756
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: Those were the main ones, and we met with them

757
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: even several times at different times over in Oklahoma. Oh yeah,

758
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Ford, Yeah, my buddy Jeff Ford over in Oklahoma.

759
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: Bara biologists. UM, incredible stuff. Incredible stuff. We uh. But

760
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: we also did a lot of detailed, tactical style podcast

761
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: so we had like these the the the interview in

762
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: the old Guys Biologists, and then I would say tactical

763
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: how to stuff that. Oftentimes I'd have Brent Reeves, Ryan

764
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: Grab or other experts. Uh. Heath Martin was on one

765
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: of them. Uh mo would have been categorized in one

766
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: of those, um and where we where we would just

767
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: nail down specific stuff and tactics. And some of those

768
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: podcasts are are great resources that we refer to people

769
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: all the time. Somebody will write us and be like, hey,

770
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: tell me about baiting bears and we'll go, Man, just

771
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: listen to that podcast. We talked about it and told

772
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: everything that we knew. So those are important judging black bears,

773
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: uh black bear shot placement. Um. We also had some

774
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: fun storytelling podcasts. Brent Reeves and on episode that Eddie

775
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: Ford did a Dueling Stories podcast which was about an

776
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: hour and fifteen minutes long where we just swap stories.

777
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: Just I would tell a story, then he'd tell a story.

778
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: I'd tell the story, he'd tell the story, and we

779
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: we told some good ones. Um. But we we also

780
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: had some We had Cam Spinks on the podcast Country

781
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: music Guy talked about his hunting and his music, and

782
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: he was on what was he on the voice the Voice,

783
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: Blake Shelton's the Voice, and he talked about that we

784
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: went and visited old Ted Nugent. Yeah, that was a

785
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: unique podcast for sure. Um oh man, the stories we

786
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: can tell about that, you just have to go listen

787
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: to the podcast. We Ted welcomed us into his home.

788
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: They were both very hospitable, very hospitable. Um, just very

789
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: unique people. Yeah, for sure. We also had a lot

790
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 1: of in the field podcasts that were that we're talking

791
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: about what we're doing, Like if we're in Montana bear hunting,

792
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: we'd do a podcast like in the field if we

793
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: did want an elk hunt in Montana. I've done many

794
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: podcasts in the field in Arkansas, like at a camp,

795
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: at a Turkey camp, at our bear camp, at our

796
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: deer camps, um, around the Yeah, we've done podcast in

797
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: outfitters camps and those are always really good. Get some

798
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: good intel, kind of get a feel for what it's

799
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: like to hunt in that particular place. Um. Credible stuff. Man. Well, Hey,

800
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: the main thing that I want to portray is that

801
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: this season of interviewing people in these long form formats

802
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: has been special to me. I've enjoyed it and I

803
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: hope you have to. And all these podcasts will remain

804
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: available as the new meat Eat podcasts begins, they will

805
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: remain available so you'll be able to go back and

806
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: listen to these or share them or whatever, and I

807
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: hope that you will. Kolbe closing thoughts, It's been a

808
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: fun right, been a fun ride. Yeah, a lot of value. Yep. Well,

809
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: thank you all for for listening to us and for

810
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: the support just that you've given us by listening, by

811
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: supporting our advertiser, all the you know, I'm gonna ding

812
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: all the bells, you know, just just the support that

813
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: you've given us, subscribing to Barroonning magazine, buying merchandise from us,

814
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: all that stuff is uh, we do deeply appreciate it.

815
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: And as we sign off for the final time in

816
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: this format, the Barrowning Magazine podcast, which it's not just

817
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: this format, I mean Bear Hunting Magazine podcast is no

818
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: more and uh truly think I think all of you guys, gals, kids,

819
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. And for the last time, keep the

820
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: wild places wild because that's where the bears live. Yep.

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Speaker 1: At the fo