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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today.

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Speaker 1: Media Matterson, Angelo Kearrasone will join us to talk about

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Speaker 1: how the right is trying.

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Speaker 2: To silence the left.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Congressman Greg Kassar about Greg Abbot's

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Speaker 1: in Sane Texas redistricting map, which involves a whole new

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Speaker 1: level of jeremandering.

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Speaker 2: But first the stories the media is missing. Molly.

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Speaker 3: There's this thing called the Rule of five that is

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Speaker 3: not a cheesy show that was on NBC in the

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Speaker 3: two thousands. That is a way that the Democrats can

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Speaker 3: use a rule to force the release of Epstein documents.

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Speaker 2: Voters have been mad at Democrats.

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Speaker 1: We have been very cranky with Democrats, and this is

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Speaker 1: a kind of stuff we wanted. We wanted them to

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Speaker 1: do stuff like this. Congressional Democrats are trying to capitalize

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Speaker 1: on the Epstein issue, which has dogged President Trump for

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Speaker 1: almost a month and opened fissures between him and some

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Speaker 1: of his most ardent supporters. This is good you know,

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Speaker 1: good for Schumer for doing this. Schumer says, it's not

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Speaker 1: a stunt, it's not symbolic, it's formal exercise of congressional

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Speaker 2: And you know, we really have been talking about this

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Speaker 1: Congress is being unable or unwilling to exercise its congressional power,

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Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool to.

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Speaker 2: See them doing this.

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Speaker 1: I'm really I'm glad, like this is what we wanted,

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Speaker 1: this is what we needed, We wanted Congress to do this,

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Speaker 1: so it's very cool, like this is exactly the right thing.

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Speaker 2: And I'm really just.

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Speaker 1: Thrilled about this and thrilled to see them do this,

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: But the Committee on Government Operations of the House of

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Speaker 1: Representatives can actually do the same thing. With a group

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Speaker 1: of seven members, Schumer says he could force the release.

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Speaker 2: And again, by the way, if you're trying.

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Speaker 1: To block the release of these of these files, the

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Speaker 1: question has to be why why are you trying to

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Speaker 1: do it, because I think you should just let all

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Speaker 1: the files be released. It's this is a really good

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Speaker 1: kind of feeling that you want Jeffrey Epstein to have

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Speaker 2: I just don't understand how you can be against this.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of DEM's fighting, I can't believe I have

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Speaker 3: two instances of this in the segment. But the said

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Speaker 3: that dums are launching a lastage bid to block Trump's tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Again, another thing that we had just sort of been

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Speaker 1: begging Democrats to do is that they're now doing. And look,

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Speaker 1: this is the thing, like when you look at these numbers,

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Speaker 1: it says the tariff could add about twenty four hundred

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Like twenty four hundred dollars for someone who's making you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll ask lawmakers to unanimously pass a bill affirming the

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Speaker 1: tariffs cannot be authorized under the International Economic Emergency Economic

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Speaker 1: has the tariff power. Trump doesn't have this power. He

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Speaker 1: Powers, these are not his powers to use, right Like,

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Speaker 1: So Sheen said that, you know, she has a group

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Speaker 3: Yes, unfortunately, something bad has happened, which is the Senate

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Speaker 1: Yeah, another Trump lawyer, which I think is important to remember.

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Speaker 1: This is his second Trump lawyer. There were tons of

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Speaker 1: whistleblower complaints. There are any number of reasons not to

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Speaker 1: is just absolutely so fucking corrupt, right Like it's like

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Speaker 1: they're pretending they care. It's so shitty, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are really worried. This is the runway for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so bad.

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Speaker 3: Well, something that could turn out well, but probably won't.

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Speaker 3: Josh Holly had a stock trading band that originally included

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Speaker 3: banning the president and the vice president from them, but

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Speaker 3: but it has gone on to a vote in the Senate.

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Speaker 2: Look, man, I'm no Josh Holly fan but you know,

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Speaker 2: if you can get this done, do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm delighted. If they can get this pass, that would

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Speaker 2: be amazing. Good for them. If this works, good for them.

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Speaker 3: Well we should say why this is important too, because

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Speaker 3: get us much better candidates if they are not going

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Speaker 2: I believe that nobody should make money while working in government.

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Speaker 1: That I mean, I think that the worst possible thing

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Speaker 1: I think it's morally wrong, I think it's ethically wrong,

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Speaker 5: So yes, I think we'll have better people running out.

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Speaker 2: So just think it's not okay, right, Like, it's not

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Speaker 2: how any of this should work. So I agree. Angelo

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Speaker 5: Antelo, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about this legal battle that

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Speaker 1: you guys have been in, which is basically the legal

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Speaker 5: Think what makes this significant is exactly what you said

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Speaker 5: we're not just getting sued by Twitter, you know, more

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Speaker 5: And we've seen that type of action play out all

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Speaker 5: designed to suppress participate speech.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: But this is so much different and bigger than that,

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Speaker 5: And I think it's hard for people to really understand

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Speaker 5: appreciate what's happening because this all started back in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty three, and we don't have to get into the mechanics.

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Speaker 5: We published reports, we got sued for the reports by Twitter.

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Speaker 5: matters that were parallel to the litigation, and that happened.

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Speaker 5: Ken Paxton launched an investigation, Andrew Barely launched an investigation

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Speaker 5: Eventually they go to state court. They sue you in

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Speaker 5: you have to go through this protracted battle there. We

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Speaker 5: This is before Trump got elected, and because this is

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Speaker 5: So we did something proactive. We said, wait, we can't

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Speaker 2: So that happened.

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Speaker 5: But so the litigation was in excessuing US in Texas,

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Speaker 5: The court agreed that it was a campaign of government harassment.

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Speaker 5: spread around government, and we've seen them weaponized government against

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Speaker 5: not just oh, it's a really bad civil lawsuit and

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Speaker 5: nobody wants to fight it. Yeah, nobody wants to fight

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Speaker 5: it because civil lawsuits suck. But what everybody forgets when

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Speaker 5: this space that even independent of this fallout, it hasn't

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Speaker 5: actually changed the trajectory, which is to break us.

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Speaker 1: One of the many great things about you is that

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Speaker 1: you understand this world almost better than anyone. Like I'm

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Speaker 1: very online, though less so lately which is is weird,

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Speaker 1: but but you are.

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Speaker 2: You really know everyone.

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Speaker 1: So explain to me why Dan Vongino and Cash Battel

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Speaker 1: are the heads of like these major the FBI, right that,

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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are like there, they are like

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Speaker 1: the heads of this incredibly powerful, enormous agency.

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Speaker 2: Why have they sort of disappeared?

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Speaker 5: Dan Bongo is the deputy director of the FBI and

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Speaker 5: yet his principal concern right now is his credibility as

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Speaker 5: a podcaster. So that is one and that explains your question,

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Speaker 5: which is that that for a lot of these figures,

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Speaker 5: you know, they're not civil servants who were going toward

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Speaker 5: a public life to do this type of work, right,

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Speaker 5: especially the positions that you described, you sort of you

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Speaker 5: have a trajectory to get there.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of the status called needed breaks

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Speaker 5: them out romanticizing that. But the point is it's a

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Speaker 5: certain type of work to be a civil servant for them.

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Speaker 5: This is part of their continual mess characters in this

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Speaker 5: right wing story that they've been a part of us

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Speaker 5: so long. We're gonna get in, We're gonna break the

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Speaker 5: deep state. We're gonna you know, we're gonna train our

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Speaker 5: mill operators to do better work. We're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 5: expose all these secrets. So they get into these positions

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Speaker 5: because part of it is just it's just it's just

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Speaker 5: character development for their podcast career. And so that's the

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Speaker 5: reason why they're a little bit back, is that they

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Speaker 5: were forced to go out there up front and sort

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Speaker 5: of take the first hit, uh, you know, from a

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Speaker 5: public relations perspectives, to sort of soften the ground. They

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Speaker 5: were supposed to soft from the ground about the Epstein

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Speaker 5: stuff when they went out there and did this joint

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Speaker 5: interview saying that Epstein killed himself. We've seen the files.

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Speaker 5: That was the soft launch of all of this, you know,

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Speaker 5: well before it became a controversy. They just don't want

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Speaker 5: to put themselves on the line publicly. And I think

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Speaker 5: that calls you a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting that like the possible thing that might

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Speaker 1: sort of save American democracy if we're gonna, I mean

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Speaker 1: that we if this ends up being that, like democracy continues,

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Speaker 1: it will be because of things like these guys in

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Speaker 1: their podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because they have to.

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Speaker 5: That is their goal. They even though they left their

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Speaker 5: podcast role, they are still the same character. They're now

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Speaker 5: just in a different environment, but they're still thinking about

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Speaker 5: that business, that audience relationship and how do you go

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Speaker 5: on after this? Like they're not going to go join boards, right,

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Speaker 5: and even though they want to be, they want the

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Speaker 5: same influence that they had before they became they had

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Speaker 5: this job, and and that that is very revealing, even

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Speaker 5: people at Toulsi right, who didn't go all in on Epstein.

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Speaker 5: Instead she helped support the cause by trying to deflect

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Speaker 5: by putting out all this Obama stuff and.

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Speaker 1: Insane Obama treason thing, which is like, by the way,

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Speaker 1: if you're Tulsi, like that's all you cook up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but it's like it's Obama, like there's no like,

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Speaker 2: at least go after.

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, Like that makes a little you know, he's

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Speaker 1: in the flight logs, like go after someone where there's

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Speaker 1: some churum of believability.

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Speaker 5: Yep. And that I think that's a good point here,

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Speaker 5: you know that that it's revealing that if we do

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Speaker 5: ultimately get saved, this strong word, but they they will

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Speaker 5: be their their own selfishness well be a part of that.

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Speaker 5: It's not altruism, it's it is born out of this

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Speaker 5: idea that they are characters in this larger right wing

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Speaker 5: media story, and that is to me, the thing that

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Speaker 5: drew me to this work, and key especially now keeps

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Speaker 5: me here is that, Yeah, the politics are important, the elections,

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Speaker 5: but elections take place in an environment, and that environment

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Speaker 5: is shaped by the media landscape, the information landscape, and

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Speaker 5: the right wing it dominates it. Trump's power is his

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Speaker 5: narrative dominance. And part of the reason why the Epstein

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Speaker 5: story is so interesting is because he's losing his narrative

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Speaker 5: dominance in this moment as a result of it. And

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Speaker 5: so that that is so is so hard to escape

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Speaker 5: the day to day work from these externalities because ultimately,

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Speaker 5: part of the very check here why they've sort of

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Speaker 5: retreated into the bushes while they let Trump try to

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Speaker 5: sort this out himself, is that they are they are

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Speaker 5: more loyal to the larger information and media landscape than

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Speaker 5: even Trump.

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Speaker 2: It It is wild, I mean, it's just wild. We

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Speaker 2: are in just I can't figure out if we're in

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Speaker 2: end times or if this is I don't know, will

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Speaker 2: you please, I just got got a sandwich between two

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Speaker 2: realities right one retail, Yeah, and we're like we somehow

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Speaker 2: bounce it between and it's very disorienting.

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Speaker 5: All the time basically, and yeah, that's that's kind of

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Speaker 5: how I feel about it.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Greg Kassar represents Texas's thirty fifth district. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: fast Politics, Congressman Gazarre, Hey, here we are. We're like

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Speaker 1: reacting to the breaking news that your state, Texas is

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Speaker 1: somehow going to do this insane redistricting. Which will I

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Speaker 1: think we can all take a top line here and go, Like,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is worried about losing the House of Representatives

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Speaker 1: because he's doing a lot of wildly unpopular stuff. So

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Speaker 1: he's decided to make Republicans and they're happy to do

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Speaker 1: it because they're because they're completely just in an arm

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Speaker 1: of the Trump presidency now redistrict in order to make

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Speaker 1: it so he won't lose the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 2: Is that fair? Is that what we're watching happen in

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Speaker 2: real time?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Basically, Trump doesn't have a plan for winning the midterm elections,

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Speaker 4: so this is his plan for rigging those elections before

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Speaker 4: we ever get a chance to vote. So all these folks,

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Speaker 4: of course ask me a great question all the time,

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Speaker 4: what do we do to stop all of the awfulness

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Speaker 4: and the craziness? And we oftentimes have said let's organize

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Speaker 4: for the midterm elections. Then now Trump wants to screw

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Speaker 4: that up now by radically racially jerrymandering Texas in a

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Speaker 4: way we've never seen before. And that's part of what

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Speaker 4: I think is really scary and new about this is

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Speaker 4: that Texas is already illegally jerrymandered to the hilt, but

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Speaker 4: now Trump is pushing an even more illegal jerrymander, basically

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Speaker 4: shredding the Voting Rights Act as we know it. And

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Speaker 4: if he's allowed to do it in Texas and in

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Speaker 4: Central Texas where I'm based, and he wants to spread

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Speaker 4: that all over the country. He's already saying that.

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Speaker 1: There is no precedent for this for a president saying

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Speaker 1: I'm going to lose, so let's change the maps. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like Eric Holder, It's like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's like cheating plus plus plus right. I think Texas

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Speaker 1: has really been this kind of lab where Trump has

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Speaker 1: been able to sort of do crazy stuff and the

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Speaker 1: end the leadership has really been so partisan and so

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Speaker 1: insane that they've been happy to do it. But but

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Speaker 1: talk to me about what this app looks like.

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Speaker 2: This is really sick.

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Speaker 4: Basically, this is a kind of map that was supposed

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Speaker 4: to be made illegal by the Voting Rights Act of

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Speaker 4: nineteen sixty five. You know what MLK marched for. LBJ

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Speaker 4: signed it. Handed the pen to MLK after he signed

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Speaker 4: the Voting Rights Act. This sort of activity was supposed

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Speaker 4: to be banned by that. Basically, what they do and

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Speaker 4: what Trump explicitly said he wanted to do was he said,

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Speaker 4: had that DOJ send a letter to Texas saying there

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Speaker 4: are multiple districts where most of the voters are people

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Speaker 4: of color, and we don't like that anymore.

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Speaker 2: Get rid of it.

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Speaker 4: And Texas is supposed to be handling addressing the flooding

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Speaker 4: that just killed.

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Speaker 2: And that special sception, this special session.

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Speaker 4: Is legislature supposed to be together about flooding, instead of

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Speaker 4: respecting texans lives, instead of recognizing the deaths of young

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Speaker 4: girls and so many others. They are just pushing through

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Speaker 4: this plan. And like you just said, Molly, there's not

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Speaker 4: even Texas Republican officials or congress people that say they're

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Speaker 4: for this. They all privately say they're against it because

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Speaker 4: they're screwing up their own districts and screwing over their

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Speaker 4: own constituents. It's just one man in mar A Lago

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Speaker 4: who is saying he wants to pick the members of

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Speaker 4: Congress from Texas rather than Texas voters. And now they've

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Speaker 4: released a map that does things like merge my district

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Speaker 4: here in central Texas with joining Congressman Doggett's district, essentially

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Speaker 4: getting rid of a Latino seat and merging it into

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Speaker 4: just one Democratic seat. Now that we're put in the

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Speaker 4: same place, they've gone and completely changed the historic district

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Speaker 4: in Houston that was Barbara Jordan's and Mickey Leland in

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Speaker 4: Shila Jackson Lee's and completely changed it. All of us

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Speaker 4: is to say, they're suppressing the votes of millions of

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Speaker 4: working class Texans and Latino Texans and black Texans and

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Speaker 4: they think they can get away with it. And if

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court rubber stamps it. Trump has already said, okay,

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Speaker 4: five from Texas, then he wants to go to Missouri

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Speaker 4: and take one there, take a few from Ohio, and

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Speaker 4: make it so that by the time we vote in

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Speaker 4: the midterms, he's basically already made it so the House

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Speaker 4: can't hold them accountable.

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Speaker 1: Explain how jerrymandering works and why this is actually kind

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Speaker 1: of a gamble for him the.

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Speaker 4: Way jerrymandering usually works, and it should be illegal, to

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Speaker 4: be clear, I believe was every Democrat I think in

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Speaker 4: Congress right now has voted for getting rid of jerrymandering

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Speaker 4: and just having independent commissions across the country. But our

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Speaker 4: problem right now is you have blue states with these

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Speaker 4: commissions and then states like Texas. Yeah, and that's a problem,

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Speaker 4: but generally you have the Republican members of Congress jerry mander.

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Speaker 4: They're men app which is bad, but it usually results

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Speaker 4: in those Republican incumbents having their districts the way they

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Speaker 4: want them and then making they make themselves safe by

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Speaker 4: creating these democratic districts. In this case, Donald Trump's White

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Speaker 4: House drew the maps, or maybe it was Mari Lango,

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Speaker 4: and then they just we had a bunch of hearings,

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Speaker 4: a three hearing, not a bunch, I mean it's actually

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Speaker 4: poultry three hearings this last week, and the Republicans in

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Speaker 4: the legislature kept saying, we don't have a map. We're

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Speaker 4: just having hearings with no map. Basically they're still waiting

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Speaker 4: on the email from the White House. And then today

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Speaker 4: the email landed. They publish a map, and it's Trump

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Speaker 4: that drew it, and so that means that some of

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Speaker 4: these Republican members of Congress will represent totally different areas

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Speaker 4: than they're used to, and that gives us the chance

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Speaker 4: to run again, you know, run great candidates against them.

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Speaker 4: But they did try to shore themselves up and basically

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Speaker 4: crack minority communities apart into a bunch of different districts

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Speaker 4: to delete their votes and get rid of Democratic members

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Speaker 4: in the process.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like there's so many parts of

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Speaker 1: this story that are like Trump knows he's losing, and

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Speaker 1: so Trump is trying to figure out ways to cheat.

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Speaker 2: They explain to us what the next step is with

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Speaker 2: the gerrymandering.

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Speaker 4: With the jerrymandering. They have one more hearing, supposedly this Friday,

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Speaker 4: and so we are going to mobilize everyone we can

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Speaker 4: who cares about our democracy to come out against the

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Speaker 4: map on Friday. Then they'll try to jam it down

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Speaker 4: everyone's throats. The hope is that we draw this out.

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Speaker 4: We don't let them win here in the next few days.

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Speaker 4: And Texas has a great tradition of filibusters, like Wendy

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Speaker 4: Davis's filibuster against abortion, restrictions of quorum breaks where Democrats

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Speaker 4: if they leave the state actually under our constitution, then

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Speaker 4: the legislature shuts down. And so they could leave and

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Speaker 4: quorum break and demand that the session be about flooding,

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Speaker 4: not about carrying Donald Trump water. We can drag that

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Speaker 4: fight out, and then we need everyone listening in today

662
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 4: to be calling their governor calling their legislators to stop

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Speaker 4: this from happening in Texas because if people like Governor

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Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom keep pushing that, they'll retaliate against Greg Abbott.

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Speaker 4: If more governors get involved, that's our real chance to

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Speaker 4: stop this, because if they could just get away with this,

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Speaker 4: I mean, Trump wants to spread it like wildfire. So

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Speaker 4: we got to drag this out. Support right brave legislators

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Speaker 4: that drag it out, and then get the whole country involved.

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Speaker 1: This is a really good point, like this should be

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Speaker 1: a line in the sand. If you care about democracy,

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Speaker 1: you don't want governors fucking with congressional maps, period paragraph.

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Speaker 1: If the sense says gives you more numbers in different districts,

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Speaker 1: you change the maps. But you don't change the maps

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Speaker 1: because you have an unpopular incumbent who might lose the House.

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Speaker 4: That's right. I mean, right now, Trump is it knows

677
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Speaker 4: that if the Democrats regain the House, then we're investigating

678
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: the Epstein files and more, we could subpoena all of

679
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: the folks that are doing corrupt business deals with his family.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Trump remembers last time that we took the House,

681
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Speaker 4: how he got investigated and impeached, and how that helped

682
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Speaker 4: ultimately bring Trump's presidency to a halt. I mean, he

683
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to pass all these horrible bills that

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Speaker 4: kick people off their healthcare if Democrats take the House.

685
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Speaker 4: And so instead of trying to win the election fair

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Speaker 4: and square, he wants to change the lines right now.

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Speaker 4: And we've got to We've got to stop it, and

688
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: we all have to get involved and say, you know,

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Speaker 4: there's got to be a cost to Trump and Abbot

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Speaker 4: if they go through with this.

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Speaker 1: There's a number of interesting things happening in your state,

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Speaker 1: and I would love you to talk first about the flooding,

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Speaker 1: because there seems like there's some breakdown of emergency communication

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Speaker 1: with the flooding. Talk us through what you're seeing on that,

695
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Speaker 1: what sort of culpability there with the flooding is and

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Speaker 1: where you think that takes us.

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Speaker 4: I think clearly there were failures at every level of government,

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Speaker 4: and we need to look into those failures, not because

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00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: it's a blame game or political but because if we

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00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: want to respect the dead and then protect the living,

701
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 4: we need to know what we did right and what

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Speaker 4: went wrong. It seems clear there were issues at the

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Speaker 4: local level. The state of Texas also denied grants to

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Speaker 4: the local governments to put in alert systems that they needed.

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Speaker 4: We need to ask questions about why. And then at

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Speaker 4: the federal level, we have whistleblowers that said that Christy Noam,

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Speaker 4: who's Trump's cabinet secretary above all of this, delayed search

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Speaker 4: and rescue for seventy two hours before approving it. That's

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Speaker 4: not something you should think about for seventy two seconds.

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Speaker 4: So we've got to actually really look into why that is.

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Speaker 4: The head of Search and Rescue at FEMA resigned over this.

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Speaker 4: They're trying now to smear him, but I think it's

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Speaker 4: important we look into that. And then also the National

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Speaker 4: Weather Service and Noah, who are the scientists that help

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Speaker 4: us know when a storm is coming and communicate that

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00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: to local communities. They've been deeply understaffed, and so I

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00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: myself and Converse Woman Jasmine Crockett led an effort to

718
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Speaker 4: ask an independent Inspector General to do an investigation, and

719
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Speaker 4: that independent investigator, who separate from the Trump administration, said

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Speaker 4: they're going to look into that understaffing and how that

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Speaker 4: affected our response to this storm. None of this can

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Speaker 4: bring back the dead, but we know there's going to

723
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Speaker 4: be more storms in Texas, more floods. We've got to

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Speaker 4: protect people from that. And this understaffing is happening right

725
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 4: now where there can be hurricanes and all sorts of

726
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Speaker 4: parts of the country. So we've got to be looking

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Speaker 4: into it now. This is what the legislators should be

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Speaker 4: looking into. Instead, they're, you know, Republican members are trying

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Speaker 4: to ignore the floods, cover up the Epstein files, and

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Speaker 4: then just protect Trump in the next election. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's just cowardice at its core. And even worse, they're

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Speaker 4: doing it by trying to shred the Voting Rights Act

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Speaker 4: of nineteen sixty five. They took us bat PRE nineteen

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Speaker 4: sixty five on medicaid, now they want to take us

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Speaker 4: PRE nineteen sixty five on voting rights. It is the

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Speaker 4: example of what it looks like when these just wealthy,

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Speaker 4: powerful guys just do everything they can to protect themselves

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Speaker 4: and don't care about who they screw over in the process.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of drama happening in Texas with the

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Speaker 1: John Cornett and Ken Paxton drama.

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Speaker 4: So Ken back, I get that whole bag of goons

742
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Speaker 4: confused sometimes too.

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Speaker 1: The man and the Ken Baxton story is so because

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Speaker 1: I think of Ken Paxton as the guy who overturned

745
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Speaker 1: grow Vy Wade. Really who was the person who enacted

746
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Speaker 1: SBA the you know, the sort of guy who put

747
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Speaker 1: the wheels in motion on that. But he also is

748
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Speaker 1: an adulterer. Explain to us what's happening there. And by

749
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Speaker 1: the way, just the story like you couldn't make it up.

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Speaker 1: It's so incredibly craven.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look at this point, pull after pull after

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Speaker 4: pull seems to indicate that Ken Paxton, you know, who

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Speaker 4: has been indicted for corruption, who was actually impeached by

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Speaker 4: his own Republican colleagues in the House, is likely really

755
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Speaker 4: the front runner for the Republican nomination by far. So

756
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Speaker 4: I expect he will be the front runner. And so

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Speaker 4: I just think that a very clear focus on the

758
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Speaker 4: fact that he's been ripping off Texans, the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's the guy trying to deport dreamers, I mean, people

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Speaker 4: who have been here their entire lives he wants to

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Speaker 4: kick out. He was, you know at January sixth.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's the guy that.

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Speaker 4: Was trying to overthrow and overturn the election. You know,

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Speaker 4: this is just this is Trump's guy. But he is frankly,

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Speaker 4: you know, not supported by even some Texas Republicans, you know,

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Speaker 4: who voted to impeach him. So it creates a real

767
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Speaker 4: opportunity for us to take the Texas Senate seat. On

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Speaker 4: the Democratic side, I know a few names have been

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Speaker 4: tossed out there. I know Colin Allread is running. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna you know, support are Democratic nominee strongly there. And

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Speaker 4: of course, you know he's got all sorts of packs

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Speaker 4: in of course, as you mentioned, has his personal issues.

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Speaker 4: But frankly, you know, you don't even have to start that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he is corrupt and you know, he literally

775
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 4: was doing business deals with folks that have like wind

776
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 4: up in jail. He's got federal indictments and federal investigations

777
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 4: into the way that he's handled his money, and so

778
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: it is just a disaster for him and creates a

779
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Speaker 4: real opportunity for us. So if Republicans jerrymander and create

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Speaker 4: their seats a little bit more vulnerable, if they've got

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Speaker 4: Ken Paxton at the top of the ticket, then we've

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Speaker 4: got a run like we've never run before in Texas

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Speaker 4: and we have some real pickup opportunities. At the same time,

784
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Speaker 4: we've got to stop the jerrymandering plan, because even if

785
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Speaker 4: we do an excellent job trying to flip some of

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00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: these seats, at the end of the day, they shouldn't

787
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Speaker 4: be allowed to suppress the votes of millions of people

788
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Speaker 4: and frankly steal at least some of these seats away

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Speaker 4: from us.

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Speaker 2: I just don't see where this is fair at all.

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Speaker 4: It's deeply unfair and should send a chill down the

792
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Speaker 4: spine of every American. I mean, we talk a lot

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Speaker 4: about gerrymandering. I just kind of want to give you

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Speaker 4: a sense of what this looks like. What it means

795
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 4: is you've got usually, you know, neighborhoods that have more

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Speaker 4: black voters or more Latino voters. And what these guys

797
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Speaker 4: in the White House go and do is they go

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Speaker 4: and say this neighborhood. We're going to chop it into

799
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Speaker 4: four or five or six little pieces so that those

800
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Speaker 4: folks can't all vote together for the person that's going

801
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 4: to represent them, and then they get stuck in districts

802
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 4: with folks that do not care about them. You do

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00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 4: not represent those neighborhoods, in fact, might resent those voters,

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Speaker 4: and they're just a little slice of a district to

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Speaker 4: be represented by you know, Chip Roy for example. You

806
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: know that's not going to be his priority if some

807
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Speaker 4: of these neighborhoods get put into his district or Troy Nell's.

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Speaker 2: You know, you could look that up.

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Speaker 4: You know, they just are not I.

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Speaker 5: Don't need to look up Troy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, nor do I want to.

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Speaker 4: For the folks that are listening, this isn't just about

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00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: me as a member of Congress or somebody else. It's

814
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Speaker 4: those voters get purposefully targeted because they are people of

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Speaker 4: color and stuck into a district where their voices won't matter.

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Speaker 4: That's literally what we try to get rid of in

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Speaker 4: sixty five. And then on top of all that, the

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00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 4: outcome that they try to get is that no matter

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Speaker 4: how unpopular Trump's policies are, Trump gets his selected members

820
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Speaker 4: of Congress. It's hard to not sound alarmist in this,

821
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Speaker 4: but it's that alarming.

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Speaker 1: Texas isn't like Missouri. It's a purple if state. It's

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Speaker 1: becoming more purple. But you have a governor and an

824
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Speaker 1: Attorney's General who who both are very crazy and very

825
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Speaker 1: into enacting their own very right wing legislature or legislation.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 1: And I know there are a lot of talent to

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Speaker 1: Democrats in the Texas State House. Do you feel like

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Speaker 1: you're able to keep some of this at bay or?

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Speaker 1: I mean, why is it so? It feels like it's

831
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Speaker 1: just the state feels way more right wing than their

832
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Speaker 1: constituents are.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. That's the whole Texas contradiction is that,

834
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Speaker 4: you know, demographically, we're not that different from say, California,

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Speaker 4: We're just heavily under organized there. Our Democratic parties are

836
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 4: so much more underfunded. Our state Democratic Party is puny

837
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Speaker 4: in funding compared to traditional swing states that you could

838
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Speaker 4: think of, like you know, Michigan or Nevada. And then

839
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Speaker 4: you also have to recognize we're usually ranked at the

840
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Speaker 4: very bottom of voter turnout of all of the states

841
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Speaker 4: there are so many people who rightly say, you know,

842
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Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if I vote or not. It seems

843
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 4: like the same crazy stuff happens. And so we've got

844
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Speaker 4: to get to a place where in this state of

845
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Speaker 4: over thirty million people, we organize at scale. And right now,

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of folks listening have heard about

847
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: great candidates we've had, from Wendy Davis to bechel or Rourke.

848
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Speaker 4: But if we just go in every four six years

849
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Speaker 4: and hope that in the last few months of election

850
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Speaker 4: we can rally as a country and pull it off,

851
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Speaker 4: we just don't get there. We have to have a

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Speaker 4: longer organizing strategy, and I think we could start it

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00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 4: right now, you know, just up the road from where

854
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: I am right now, we had an event in East

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Speaker 4: Austin with Jasmine Crockett and betel Or Rourke and Juaquin

856
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: Gastro and James Tall, Rico Gene and Ajosa myself. We

857
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Speaker 4: were hoping, you know, maybe a thousand people would chill up.

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Speaker 4: We had we blew past that, you know, well over

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Speaker 4: three thousand folks on very short notice. And do you know,

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Speaker 4: like planning anything else, usually you have an RSVP count

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Speaker 4: and then you expect the numbers are going to go

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Speaker 4: down a little bit. You don't usually think they're going

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Speaker 4: to triple on you. So right now is when we

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Speaker 4: can start organizing the state so that we have a

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Speaker 4: real shot at beating Ken Paxton come next November.

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Speaker 1: It just strikes me that it feels very out of

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Speaker 1: whack over there. So how many sort of non voters

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Speaker 1: voters do you have in your state?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in my state, the percentage of registered voters turn out,

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Speaker 4: of course changes when it's a governor's race versus a

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Speaker 4: presidential but we usually rank they're in forty eighth, forty

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Speaker 4: ninth or fiftieth.

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Speaker 5: Wow, yeah, turnout.

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Speaker 4: Of the fifty states. And so what we badly need

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Speaker 4: to do is, you know, if we got those folks participating,

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Speaker 4: I think you'd have a totally different election. Folks argue

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Speaker 4: Texas as really a blue state, or Texas a purple

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Speaker 4: state or red state. I call it an under organized state.

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Speaker 4: I means we identified after the last election that there's

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Speaker 4: about one million anti Greg Abbott voters who we just

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Speaker 4: never talked to. But it's a big state. It takes

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Speaker 4: a lot of resources, and so part of what we've

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Speaker 4: got to do is lift up the next generation of

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Speaker 4: you know, leadership, be it elected officials and activists who

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Speaker 4: are going to go out there and do the work

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Speaker 4: of going and talking to folks, because I think too

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Speaker 4: often we've kind of gotten comfortable in our existing democratic

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Speaker 4: seats and people just govern over their democratic area, and

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Speaker 4: we've got to be going out there and reaching out.

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Speaker 4: That's why I've gone to multiple Republican districts myself and

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Speaker 4: held town halls there. No I was, you know, out

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Speaker 4: in the Texas Panhandle where they haven't seen their congressional

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Speaker 4: Democrat in forever. It was just me and you had

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Speaker 4: thousands of people in an auditorium. So we've got to

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Speaker 4: be willing to go out there to those rural areas

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Speaker 4: where you know, Democrats traditionally don't go, but people are

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Speaker 4: waiting to hear from us. So that's what I'm committed

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Speaker 4: to doing. We're going to fight this redistricting plan with

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Speaker 4: everything we've got in US and here in central Texas

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Speaker 4: where I'm sitting right now, you know, they're trying to

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Speaker 4: merge me and my fellow congressman next door, and we're

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Speaker 4: going to fight that like hell because it is just

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Speaker 4: deeply wrong to try to get rid of us by

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Speaker 4: merging districts together like ours.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Congressman, thank you, thank you. No Jesse Cannon

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Speaker 2: my junk Fast.

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Speaker 3: So this is, you know, really shocking news that this

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Speaker 3: would happen under a Trump swatch. The Office of Civil

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Speaker 3: Rights is now a place where white men replace minorities.

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Speaker 3: Who would have thunk this would happen.

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Speaker 1: So the education agency that investigates discrimination claims faces a

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Speaker 1: sinister overhaul. Current and former staff telled The Times Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump spent years raging against the Biden administration for elevating

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Speaker 1: women and ethnic minorities into positions for which he said

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Speaker 1: they were not qualified. Well, you'll be shocked to know

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Speaker 1: now the president, that guy who was accused of bias,

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Speaker 1: well now he's being accused of bias.

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Speaker 2: I am shocked, I tell you shocked that this is

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Speaker 2: what's going on.

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Speaker 1: I am shocked, shocked, shocked, shocked, and by shocked I

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Speaker 1: mean nater all shocked.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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