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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey Mestie is today on the bright Side.

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Speaker 2: Activist, actor and podcaster Jamila Jamil is here to talk

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Speaker 2: about feminism, body confidence, and why she just doesn't care

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Speaker 2: about likability.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday, May seventeenth.

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Speaker 4: I'm Simone Voice, I'm Danielle Robe and this is the

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Speaker 4: bright Side from Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's Friday, Danielle. What are you looking forward

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Speaker 2: to this weekend? You're still in New York right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm looking forward to just walking and walking and

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Speaker 4: walking the streets. It's so fun. I'm definitely going to

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Speaker 4: watch some basketball. The playoffs are happening, and I'm going

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Speaker 4: to a peoplehood class.

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Speaker 1: Simone. I think you're gonna love this.

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Speaker 3: What is a pupil hood class?

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Speaker 4: So it's a sixty minute class where you listen and

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Speaker 4: the co founders there's two women who founded soul Cycle,

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Speaker 4: who started this, and it's like a group conversation.

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Speaker 1: You go in for sixty minutes.

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Speaker 4: There's breathwork, there's music, and you practice listening.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. I'm very curious. I can't wait to listen to

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Speaker 2: your experience on this.

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited about it because they've been focusing on

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Speaker 4: physical health and wellness for so long, and they saw

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Speaker 4: a gap in the marketplace for social wealth and connection.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, I feel that's like my whole ethos.

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Speaker 4: I was like, sign me up. So I can't wait.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to report back. What are you looking forward to?

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Speaker 2: So this weekend, I'm actually going to be in Nashville

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Speaker 2: on a retreat with a bunch of people that I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I know one person who's going to be there.

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Speaker 2: The rest is a mystery. I'm honestly a little bit

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Speaker 2: nervous because it's going to be a lot of group

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Speaker 2: therapy sessions and I'm getting a lot of listening, a

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Speaker 2: lot of listening, a lot of sharing, which I don't

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Speaker 2: always do that easily.

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Speaker 3: It's taken me a little while to warm up to

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Speaker 3: that on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Even so, I'm a little bit nervous, but I think

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Speaker 2: it'll be a really good experience and I'm sure i'll

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Speaker 2: learn a lot.

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Speaker 4: Those types of retreats are really rejuvenating when they're done, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I hope.

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Speaker 2: So, Danielle, you may not know that today is a holiday.

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Speaker 2: M I don't know to what day is it? Today

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Speaker 2: is National Graduation Tassel Day. I'm sure you had that

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Speaker 2: marked on your calendar, as did all of our listeners.

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Speaker 4: That's like saying today is National Color Red Day. There's

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Speaker 4: just so many days, so I kind of like this

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the perfect opportunity to give a big bright

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Speaker 2: side shout out to all the high school and college grads.

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Speaker 3: This is such an exciting time in your life. The

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Speaker 3: best is yet to come.

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Speaker 4: I love grad time. It is such a happy time.

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Speaker 4: It feels like.

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Speaker 1: So much is on the horizon.

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Speaker 4: I remember feeling so terrified when I was graduating because

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Speaker 1: Do you remember how you felt.

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Speaker 2: I hopped on a plane the day after graduation and

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Speaker 1: So I just did the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I didn't allow myself to feel scared.

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Speaker 4: I just went what advice would you give twenty two

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Speaker 4: year old Simon on graduation day?

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Speaker 3: Don't cry as much.

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Speaker 2: My friends and I we held this graduation dinner with

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Speaker 2: all of our families. It was actually really epic, and

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of us for pulling it off because we

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Speaker 2: were not the best planners. So it was like, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, forty people, you know, it was our group

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Speaker 2: the night, me and my friend Christy were just sobbing.

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Speaker 2: Like the whole night, we could not clog the tear ducks.

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Speaker 2: The tears just kept coming because we had such an incredible,

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Speaker 2: rich social experience in college and we were so sad

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Speaker 3: That hit me like a brick wall.

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Speaker 1: Well, you loved your girlfriends in college too. You guys

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Speaker 1: are super tight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're super tight.

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Speaker 2: So but I think, on that note, realize that you'll

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Speaker 3: How about you. What advice would you offer young Danielle.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot. I would say, put some of the

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Speaker 4: spray tan away. It's too orange for you. No really, though,

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Speaker 4: who don't believe in magic will never find it. And

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Speaker 4: I kind of stick by that, to be honest, because

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Speaker 4: I really believe that, Like half the Battle of accomplishing

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Speaker 4: always been a big believer in trying to find the magic.

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Speaker 1: I've been after it my whole life.

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Speaker 2: I guess I totally see that you absolutely have lived

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Speaker 2: little bit du Lulu.

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Speaker 3: That's the Sululu.

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Speaker 4: After the break, Jami Jamil tells us all about her

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Speaker 4: activism and how she's promoting women's safety.

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Speaker 1: We're back with a very special guest.

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Speaker 4: Jamila Jamil is an actor, TV personality, podcaster and activist.

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Speaker 4: A true multi hyphenate, she spent years as a TV

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Speaker 4: presenter in the UK before pivoting to acting in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 4: Listeners might know her from her role as to Hani

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Speaker 4: Eyeway movement, which she created in twenty eighteen as a

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Speaker 4: challenge to diet culture Danielle.

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Speaker 2: It's no exaggeration to say that Jamila has been super

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Speaker 2: outspoken in her advocacy on a variety of issues, creating

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Speaker 3: Jamila welcome to the bright Side.

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Speaker 1: Hello Jamila.

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Speaker 2: Before we jump into your incredible journey, we want to

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Speaker 2: talk about Move your Mind. That's an event that you're

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Speaker 2: holding in New York to promote women's safety, and this

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Speaker 2: is on the heels of this horrific outbreak of assaults

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Speaker 2: Mind and what you hope to accomplish.

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Speaker 5: Move your Mind is a kind of social or cultural

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Speaker 5: movement that is designed to democratize exercise. It is designed

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Speaker 5: to help people who feel as though exercise has become

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Speaker 5: far too intertwined with diet culture, and it's become so

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Speaker 5: bastardized by the bloody diet industry that it means a

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Speaker 5: lot of people feel demotivated. A lot of people feel

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Speaker 5: unwelcoming exercise spaces. They don't want to wear the uniform

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Speaker 5: A lot of people don't want to dress in that way,

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Speaker 1: They want to feel invisible.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people don't like the fact that now

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Speaker 5: influencers film themselves at the gym in a way that

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Speaker 5: And so it just doesn't feel like a safe space

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Speaker 5: a former Secret Service agent who's very, very focused and

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Speaker 5: on a big old walk in New York at night together.

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Speaker 5: And if you don't want to talk to other people,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're tapping into this very real issue epidemic, a

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Speaker 2: I lift weights because it makes me feel strong, and

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Speaker 2: it makes me feel safe in a world where women

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Speaker 3: What do you do to feel strong?

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Speaker 5: I have enjoyed learning how to fight, and I like

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Speaker 5: And my friends noticed after I did Marvel, because it

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Speaker 5: knowing that I have some form because there's I understand

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Speaker 5: the desire to be like We shouldn't have to do this.

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Speaker 5: We shouldn't have to live like this. We shouldn't have

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Speaker 5: have pepper spray, blah blah blah, rape alarm. It is exhausting.

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Speaker 5: And also it's why we have to have such big handbags,

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Speaker 5: and that's annoying. So it's a form of discrimination we

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Speaker 5: learn how to actually physically make ourselves safer. We can

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Speaker 5: accept the victimhood, but we must not sit in it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I refuse to feel disempowered while I'm waiting for

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Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned safe Spaces a few minutes ago, and

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Speaker 4: I've followed you on Instagram but also followed your career

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Speaker 4: Philanthropy wise, you got a megaphone and started yelling and

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Speaker 5: No, And long before you knew I was speaking about things,

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Speaker 5: This career is something that I'm very very grateful for

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Speaker 1: Let's give each other a fucking break.

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Speaker 4: So I saw her, and for anybody who doesn't know,

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Speaker 5: I think it was just that they are a family

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Speaker 1: Now it finds me.

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Speaker 4: with Jamilah Jamil, And we're back with Jamila jamil. You know,

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Speaker 4: I saw you interview Gloria Steinem in downtown LA and

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Speaker 1: Down my favorite nights of my life.

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Speaker 4: I remember you saying that, and I wrote down some

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Speaker 4: People say that and don't mean it. I could feel

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't remember a time where I ever thought it

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Speaker 5: I want to be liked by the people I like,

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Speaker 5: I want them to be my friends.

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Speaker 3: Please.

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Speaker 5: But if I don't like someone, it feels ridiculous for me.

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Speaker 5: It just feels absurd to you my energy in a

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Speaker 5: I was raised with a big brother, so I just

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Speaker 5: when I have a different set of rules, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: But it means that I've got a lot of free

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Speaker 1: It does for me too lake. That does that make

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Speaker 4: I think you just have a new boat there for us.

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Speaker 4: I love her. You know, it seems to me that

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm much nicer in person. Still come.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm much nicer in person than I am publicly

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Speaker 5: because it's brutal to be a woman in a public space,

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Speaker 5: It's a bit like my dog, Barreled. I have a

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Speaker 5: I'm a very gentle person. But it would be a

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Speaker 5: because it's just like being dragged across a gutter by

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Speaker 5: your pubic hair, being a woman with an opinion in

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry we'd have to right down visceral.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that last one might be my favorite, Jamila, we

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Speaker 2: got to let you go. But before we do, we've

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Speaker 2: talked about your activism. We've talked about your passion for

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Speaker 2: about your advocacy around diet culture.

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Speaker 3: What is your next era?

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Speaker 1: I think this is my next era.

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Speaker 5: I think my new hyper focus is getting the world

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Speaker 5: not feeling self conscious while they do it. I would

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Speaker 5: like to change the future of all marketing of all exercise,

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Speaker 5: and I would like to make it an inclusive space

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Speaker 5: because it is one of the most exclusionary spaces. And

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Speaker 5: the idea of exclusive is so so bonkers to me

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Speaker 5: is just bad maths. That is bad business. Why would

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Speaker 5: you ever shut anyone out? And so I hope that

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Speaker 5: I can be part of the downfall of the exclusive

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Speaker 5: being a good thing. I hope I can be a

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Speaker 5: part of the downfall of the current state of exercise culture.

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Speaker 5: And I hope I can be part of the uprising

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Speaker 5: of people learning about their neurochemicals and the importance of

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Speaker 5: protecting this extraordinary computer in our brains. The fact that

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Speaker 5: we know more about our iPhones or how to make

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Speaker 5: a TikTok real then we know about what's actually happening

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Speaker 5: in our brains at any one point is terrifying to me.

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Speaker 5: And exercise is a pivotal start when it comes to that.

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Speaker 5: So that's my you know, that's my new obsession and

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Speaker 5: then I'll hopefully do a bit of TV and acting

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Speaker 5: until then. But I'm writing currently about some of these subjects,

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Speaker 5: and I hope to do, you know, documentaries and work

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Speaker 5: on this. And I think that if we could give

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Speaker 5: people the tools to understand themselves, not just emotionally but

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Speaker 5: literally physically and chemically, we could change the entire world.

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Speaker 5: So that's the plan, and I'm also gonna, you know,

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Speaker 5: eat lots of cake.

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Speaker 1: And cuddle with my dogs and boyfriend. We love their plan.

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Speaker 4: Jamila, I don't say this lately, but I've learned a

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Speaker 4: lot from you. I really appreciate your advocacy. That's extremely

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Speaker 4: kind of you, and I appreciate that. And I'm still learning,

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Speaker 4: and I've been saying that from the beginning. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm a feminist in progress. I'm in everything in progress.

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Speaker 4: So never take anything I say as gospel. But I'm

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Speaker 4: happy to inspire you to think for yourself and to

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Speaker 4: take ownership of your own decisions. And that's all I've

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Speaker 4: ever wanted. Jamila, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: This was a really heartfelt conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Jamila Jamil is an actor, activist, and the founder of Iway,

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Speaker 2: a platform that advocates for radical inclusivity. You can listen

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Speaker 2: to our podcast Iway wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: That's it for today's show, and on Monday, author and

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Speaker 4: This week's episodes were recorded by Graham Gibson, Jessica Crinchitch

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Speaker 3: I'm Simone Boyce.

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Speaker 2: You can find me at Simone Boyce on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 1: That's r b A.

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Speaker 3: Y see you Monday Fam. Keep looking on the bright side.