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Speaker 1: Listeners, I am so excited, honored, and just thrilled for

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Speaker 1: you to hear my conversation today with journalist and Emmy

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Speaker 1: Award winning television producer my friend jamial Smith. Through his work,

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Speaker 1: Jamil explores a range of political and cultural topics, including

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Speaker 1: national affairs, race and racism, politics, identity, police brutality, feminism

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Speaker 1: He's been featured in The New York Times, Esquire, The

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Speaker 1: He's served as a senior editor at The New Republic,

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Speaker 1: his very own podcast, Box Conversations. Today, I'm sitting down

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Speaker 1: with Jamille to discuss the Black Lives Matter movement, the

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Speaker 1: so much more. We began this talk in April. We

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Speaker 1: These are things that we have to address and talk about.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really thankful, um, not only for my friendship

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Speaker 1: I am a lot. I feel like that's the way

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Speaker 1: fear of God and somebody enough to the point where

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Speaker 1: boom boom boom and and or or or let me

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Speaker 1: let me actually rephrase that it him walking away was

432
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: so scary in some way, whether it was actually about

433
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Speaker 1: him causing real fear, or his blackness presents a threat.

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Speaker 1: These very existence presents a threat to that officer. I

435
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: don't know. What I do know is that we need

436
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: to have systems that make that kind of action impermissible

437
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: unacceptable in this society. And you know, people like that

438
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: do not need to be police officers, because we know

439
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: even that they are makes me not want to call

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00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: the cops. And if I can't all the cops if

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00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: I need help, then the social contract is broken. It's broken.

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00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: And and something I would like to acknowledge is I

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00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: do not believe. And I watched that video by accident.

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00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: I don't. I purposefully try not to add to the

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00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: clicks on things like that. And I was following a

446
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Twitter a Twitter thread, and then there it was, and

447
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: and I thought, God, damn it. And then when I

448
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: had seen it, I thought, Okay, I've seen it, So

449
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: what I need to do now? And this is so sad,

450
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: I said to myself I need to analyze it so

451
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Speaker 1: I know how to rebut the bullshit that I know

452
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: is coming. And so then I sat there and I

453
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: really watched it more than once, and it was awful.

454
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: And what I saw was not fear. What I saw

455
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: was rage at not being listened to. What I saw

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Speaker 1: was the kind of energy I've been on the receiving

457
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Speaker 1: end of from certain men who are so angry that

458
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't obey, who want me to be docile and

459
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: obedient and sweet and to stroke their ego. It was

460
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: a a perversion of that same energy, which is, I

461
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: just gave you a fucking order obey me. I saw

462
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: that man be so angry that Jacob Blake continued to

463
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Speaker 1: completely passively and peacefully walk away from him, and I

464
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: would bet, I would bet that he was saying, I

465
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Speaker 1: am getting back in my vehicle with my children. I

466
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Speaker 1: would bet that he just wanted those cops to know

467
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm not here for this, I'm not doing this. I

468
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a part of this. I was breaking up a fight.

469
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting in the car with my kids, who I

470
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: would wager we're probably screaming by this point, little children

471
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Speaker 1: seeing a bunch of adults yelling and shouting and pulling guns.

472
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: That's terrifying. And for a father to simply want to

473
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: get back in his vehicle with his children, that's not

474
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: life threatening and that's not scary. So to anyone who

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Speaker 1: who even wants to offer the the potential of perhaps

476
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: that officer was afraid, No, he wasn't. You're not afraid

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00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: of someone who is calmly walking away from you. I

478
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: saw that anger on his face when he reached to

479
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: grab Jacob's body and he just started shooting him. You

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00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: cannot shoot a person you are sworn to protect for

481
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: trying to ge in their car with their kids. You

482
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: just can't. And by the way, cops aren't supposed to

483
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: kill guilty people either. They're not supposed to do that.

484
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: Dylan Ruth murdered a church full of people and was

485
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: taken peacefully. Kyle Rittenhouse is a domestic terrorist, by the way,

486
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: with a record, multiple multiple accounts of misdemeanors and charges

487
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: for unlawful behavior, drug possession, all sorts of things. Nobody's

488
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: talking about that. This is not an argument I'm willing

489
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: to stand for. It's just not you do not. You

490
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: do not shoot a person in the back if I,

491
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Speaker 1: a legal gun owner, shot someone in the back who

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Speaker 1: let's say, let's say we go back to that potential

493
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: hypothetical example of what would happen to me if I

494
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Speaker 1: were in Brianna and Kenneth's situation, if somebody broke into

495
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: my home, I fired a warning shot, they went bush

496
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: at wronghouse and went to leave, and I shot them

497
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: in the back seven times. I would be charged with murder.

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00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: And I know that because I've been through sheriff's training

499
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: on when you can and cannot legally fire your weapon

500
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: at an intruder in your home. It is illegal. There

501
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: cannot be a double standard. There cannot. And this is

502
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: actually the argument. This is what people are talking about

503
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: in the in the the purposefully agitational phrase defund the police. No,

504
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean get rid of the police. What it

505
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: means is why why is half of the budget, the

506
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: entire budget of the entire city of Los Angeles given

507
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: to policing. People think the idea of defunding the police

508
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: sounds radical. We've been defunding education for decades. What if

509
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: we put money back into our schools, into computer labs,

510
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: What if we put money back into our park system?

511
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: What if we took some of the money that is

512
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: given to the mill tourrization of our police forces against us,

513
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: and instead when you called nine one, you would say,

514
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: do you have an emergency and need the police? Push one?

515
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: Do you have a mental health crisis and need a

516
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: social worker push to do you? Is there a a

517
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: fire to report or a domestic violence issue or a

518
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: and you would simply push the key for what you

519
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: needed and then the police would just do policing, and

520
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: the social workers would do the social work, and the

521
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: firefighters would fight the fires, and the list would go on.

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00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: We it doesn't have to be like this, And it

523
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: doesn't mean we're waging a war on the cops. It

524
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: means we're asking them to stop waging war on us. Right,

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00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: I think fear least anger number one. When you think

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00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: about that anger, the the get over here boy, listen

527
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: to me. I have authority that kind of anger, right,

528
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: the kind of angry you know we heard about, you

529
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: know from you know, from overseers when they would oversee

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00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: the enslaved um and considering the roots of the profession

531
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: of policing. Uh, it's really you know, in terms of

532
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: slave catching, it's really not all that, uh far afoot

533
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: from where that attitude stems from. And so when we

534
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: think about that man grabbing him by the shirt before

535
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: he fires the shots, I mean, you know, it's just

536
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: an utter, casual, reckless disregard for human life. And if

537
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: you needed to get his attention, if you needed to

538
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: make him stop, just I haven't had any training. I

539
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: know how to I know how to use a gun,

540
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: but I've never had any police training. But I sure

541
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: it's heck know that there are other ways to have

542
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: done that. And so my my thinking is this, when

543
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: you fear blackness, when you fear not having the authority

544
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: over someone who looks like me, uh, that can provoke violence.

545
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: And then what we're seeing large in our country right

546
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: now with the rise of white supremacist violence, with the

547
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: rise of Trump, is uh rhetoric um that that feeds

548
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: these attitudes for the same really not of these people.

549
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: And that's the funny thing, not of these people. They're

550
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: not really actually benefiting from it. They are just being

551
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: made to feel like being white is superior. And so

552
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: even if my healthcare goes away, even if my job

553
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: gets wiped off the board, even if covid um ensures

554
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: that my small business never opens up again, while at

555
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: least I feel better than this black person over here,

556
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: this Hispanic person over here, this indigenous person over there. Um.

557
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: And And we have to something also that you look

558
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: on that I really wanted to hit. We have to

559
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: talk about masculinity in this society and how it feels

560
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: these kinds of racist instance, because listen, there have been

561
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: shootings that have involved female cops killing black people having

562
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. It's happened. Listen. I'm not saying that it

563
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: is impossible, but we see a lot of male rage

564
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: in male entitlement that frankly, you know, I'm a guy.

565
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I've experienced what it's like to be indoctrinated

566
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: into this notion that you deserve more because you're a

567
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: man or a boy. And it's something we learned early,

568
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: and it is something you have to unlearned and and

569
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: we have to take an active interest. Even if you

570
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: think you are the most liberal, uh progressive feminist dude

571
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: out here, Okay, you may think that you have a

572
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: lot of unlearning to do. I have un learning to do.

573
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm alost forty five. I have unlearning to do. So

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00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: we have to take the approach that we have been

575
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: fed a lot of stuff in the society that someonemes

576
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: in our phone. Sometimes we ingest it because we enjoy it.

577
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: It makes us feel better. And there are powerful people

578
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: who are willing to use that to maintain not your power,

579
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: but their power. Trump doesn't care about these people. He

580
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: cares maintaining his power, and he cares paining it really

581
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: not so that he can serve the working man. He remember,

582
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: he thought talking about I am you were both. That's

583
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: what he said the first uh time he was nominated

584
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: for president. And what has that voice brought them? Hunting

585
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: mean that dad Americans from this place that he's willing

586
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: to spread openly and willingly and without any consequence, all

587
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: for the sake of appearing normal. And then he is,

588
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, willing to let these problems fester whether or

589
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: not he wins or loses um because he has managed

590
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: to build a cult of personality around himself and whole

591
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: mortality says, Hey, anything I do is all right, Everything

592
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: I do was fine, Everything I'm doing is for you.

593
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: And these people believe this stuff. And it's the story, frankly,

594
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: a white supremacy in this country. I mean, it's it's

595
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: how this stuff happens. White supremacy does not feed or

596
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: help all white people. It helps the powerful white people,

597
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: and people understand that they actually even left out of

598
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: this con job that he is operating. I don't know,

599
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I have. That's the only thing that helps

600
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: me maintain hope. Um, and I hope that people. You know,

601
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for people to all of a sudden

602
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: switch their votes and all of a sudden they're gonna

603
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: be voting for Biden. Not I'm not looking for that

604
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: because I understand how alluring this white supremacy is. I'm

605
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: not expecting this to be cured immediately. But when I'm

606
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 1: am hoping is that our society can understand that these

607
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: folks in the Republican Party are pushing an agenda that

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00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: serves blutocracy and the premising it's necessary for that, But

609
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: they are not out here caring about folks who are

610
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: struggling and presentable. You know, I mean he told he

611
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: said that they should close is the Lord's Town Auto plant,

612
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: which is right near where I grew up in northern Ohio,

613
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't allow them to wear his maga hats

614
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: at work. You want to close a plant now in

615
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: that area, you're talking about wading a lot. It's talking

616
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: about hurting a lot of working class white folks and

617
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: black folks and other folks all were working at this

618
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: massive plant and that you know, and and you want

619
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Speaker 1: to or you want to see all these different things

620
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: go go down, and then you want to like claim

621
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Speaker 1: victory because maybe you reopen something that people don't even need.

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Speaker 1: It's this just the massive failure of governance that is

623
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: in this administration is astounding. And I just really need

624
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: people to understand that, you know it is. It is

625
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: not really something that we're going to recover from um

626
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: easily ement of Biden is elected, and we need This

627
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: is on us. And you are white, it's on you

628
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: especially to fix racism. If you are men like I

629
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Speaker 1: am for a man, then it's on us to fix sexism.

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Speaker 1: are going to rediscover some favorites. I want to rediscover

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Speaker 1: some of those artists that maybe got overlooked in the past.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be so much fun because it's

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Speaker 1: all the things that we love already find and followed

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Speaker 1: Country Heat Weekly on Amazon Music. Now. You know, I again,

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Speaker 1: I respect you saying you're you're not looking for it

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Speaker 1: to or you don't expect it to be fixed overnight,

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Speaker 1: or expect people to change their votes. I do m

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Speaker 1: I I desperately want us to reclaim some semblance of decency,

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Speaker 1: some semblance of willingness to look out for each other.

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Speaker 1: You know, I saw this great tweet from a comedian

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Speaker 1: who I love last week, and she said, not liking

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden as your candidate, So deciding you're not voting

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Speaker 1: is kind of like going to Trader Joe's and because

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Speaker 1: they're out of dried mango, you throw yourself into oncoming traffic.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, honestly, that's really great. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to be the most excited. It's there is. There

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Speaker 1: is a real need for us to remember that it's

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Speaker 1: not all about us, it's about our country. And I

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Speaker 1: know for a fact, I've got friends, I've got family.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was in Oklahoma recently. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who are afraid of what they're hearing from

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Speaker 1: right wing media in the middle of the country about

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Speaker 1: the progressives, and you know how how radical this is.

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Speaker 1: And some of our favorite leaders aren't that palatable to them,

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Speaker 1: but Joe Biden is. And guess what, Donald Trump isn't

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Speaker 1: palatable to me, but he might have been palatable to

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Speaker 1: some of those voters who now are willing to vote

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Speaker 1: for Joe. And guess what that works for me? If

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Speaker 1: we collectively get a leader who works for more more

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Speaker 1: of us than not, that's our fucking job as citizens.

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Speaker 1: And then it's our job to get super active in

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Speaker 1: local politics to elect the kind of mayors and congress

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Speaker 1: people and senators who will hold Joe and Kamala accountable

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Speaker 1: to being better representatives for all of us. You know,

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Speaker 1: people who who shipped all over their records really upset

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Speaker 1: me because here's the difference. Trump will double down on

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Speaker 1: his monstrous behavior and say I can do whatever I want,

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Speaker 1: and Joe has said, you know what, we thought we

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Speaker 1: were doing the best we could with the information that

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Speaker 1: we had, and now we know better and we're going

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Speaker 1: to do better. And he does it over and over again.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I want in a leader. There's nobody

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Speaker 1: who's been in politics since the seventies or the nineties

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Speaker 1: who hasn't been a part of something that hasn't been

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Speaker 1: that hasn't turned out great for us. That's not possible.

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Speaker 1: The point is to you to exactly what you said

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Speaker 1: about yourself as an individual. You can look at where

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Speaker 1: you've made mistakes in your writing, where you at the

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Speaker 1: time we're telling the truth in the best way that

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Speaker 1: you knew it, and said, hey, I've since learned, and

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Speaker 1: so I've changed my mind I've since learned, so I've

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Speaker 1: gotten more specific. That's that's the great power each of

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Speaker 1: us has is the ability to consistently evolve, be more educated,

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Speaker 1: no more facts, be more willing to hear about other

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Speaker 1: people's experiences, and be better to each other. So maybe

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Speaker 1: it's crazy, maybe it's inappropriate, but absolutely I have an expectation.

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Speaker 1: I I want to launch a rallying cry for all

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Speaker 1: of us to show up and do the right thing,

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Speaker 1: even if it isn't our favorite thing, because not doing something,

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Speaker 1: not voting, not showing up, this is This is the

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Speaker 1: moment where democracy lives or dies. This is the moment

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Speaker 1: where the United States gets back on track to be

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Speaker 1: held accountable, to live up to her ideals, or we

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Speaker 1: literally become Russia. And we see the quote enemies of

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Speaker 1: the president, the progressives, the people who don't agree with him,

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Speaker 1: wind up getting poisoned. They're already getting killed. We we

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Speaker 1: see elections like just happened in Belarus where the people

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Speaker 1: voted in a new leader and it doesn't matter because

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Speaker 1: the dictator said, no, I'm still the president. We either

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Speaker 1: we get better. Those are our options. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: we really need to understand that everyone. I think to

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Speaker 1: collective sense of critical thinking. We need to understand that

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Speaker 1: critical thinking about ourselves, about this country, about everything that

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Speaker 1: is happening, from even the leaders that we vote in ourselves,

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Speaker 1: critical about then. And that's one of the reasons why frankly,

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Speaker 1: I love my job so much, because it's essentially it

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Speaker 1: pays you to learn, and it pays you to be

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Speaker 1: critical of everybody. I mean, we're opposed to not mistrust people.

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Speaker 1: I think that's different than being a critical thinker. What

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Speaker 1: you were supposed to do is investigate. What you're supposed

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Speaker 1: And I live by that Baldwind quote. You know, I

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Speaker 1: and exactly for this reason, I just on the right

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Speaker 1: to criticize her perpetually. It's background. Yes, I just talked

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Speaker 1: me is that that is the quote that animates my work.

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Speaker 1: That is the quote that keeps me going I do

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Speaker 1: my country, and I think that black people, frankly, have

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Speaker 1: shown their love for country more than almost any other group.

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Speaker 1: It's not a competition. I do think that it's astounding

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Speaker 1: the idea that or the suggestion that black people demanding

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Speaker 1: women in indigenous groups and all these different marginalized populations

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing for themselves is somehow a strike

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Speaker 1: against America. It is we're seeking to improve this country,

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Speaker 1: we're seeking to have it. As Martin Luther King said,

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Speaker 1: be true to what you said on paper. You are

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Speaker 1: ideals in this country. And well, only these people get

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Speaker 1: to take advantage of this ideal. Only these people have

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Speaker 1: the potential to fulfill that ideal within their lives, within

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Speaker 1: their within their existence here. You, on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: do not. You have the opportunity to live up to

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Speaker 1: a certain point of the ideal. And if you're lucky,

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Speaker 1: maybe if you can run a fast forty, or you

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Speaker 1: score hockey goals or what have you, then you are

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Speaker 1: able potentially two taste a little bit of it. But

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Speaker 1: when you leave that baseball field or that boxing ring

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Speaker 1: or whatever feel to play that you may be involved,

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Speaker 1: animating part of not just my word in terms of

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Speaker 1: what I try to do, try to make this push

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Speaker 1: people who are in power to be better. But I

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Speaker 1: mean I saw it this week with you know, with

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Speaker 1: golf and tennis athletes saying, hey, uh we can take

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Speaker 1: a pause NFL practices. You know, got chick. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it gets spread. This is not going to stop. It's

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Speaker 1: not going to be limited to August. Of course, four

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Speaker 1: years to the day that Colin Kaepernick first took a

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Speaker 1: knee during a preseason game to progress and systemic racism.

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Speaker 1: We are not going to see that end just on

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Speaker 1: that day. Yeah, and the layoffs may be back on

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Speaker 1: this weekend. But don't don't get it twisted. They have

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Speaker 1: made it clear that if I am displeased with the

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Speaker 1: state of this country, I will deprive you of my

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Speaker 1: entertainment and and of the corporate profits that that entertainment provides.

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Speaker 1: The irony of Jared Kushner having the nerve to say, well,

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Speaker 1: it must be nice that the NBA players have the

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Speaker 1: They're not taking a day off, they are striking, and

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Speaker 1: what they are doing is denying the profits they make

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Speaker 1: two corporate owners, corporate sponsors. They are creating a seismic

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Speaker 1: wave in our actual economy in that day, in that moment,

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Speaker 1: on the following days, it matters because if all, if

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Speaker 1: all we seem to care about in this country is capitalism, okay,

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Speaker 1: we can disrupt that. We we can absolutely put a

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Speaker 1: pause on that. And and you know it's also not

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Speaker 1: last I mean, I must just say that this might

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Speaker 1: be good for the folks at home to who need

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Speaker 1: again the AMMO to argue. It's not lost on me

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Speaker 1: that Jared Kushner has the nerve to say that about

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Speaker 1: a bunch of professional athletes when he's literally the son

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Speaker 1: who then became the son in law of another criminal billionaire,

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Speaker 1: who has increased his personal wealth by one million dollars

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Speaker 1: clear violation of the emoluments Clause. Uh. And the fact

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Speaker 1: So he has no right to criticize people who have

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Speaker 1: made themselves the most elite athletes in the world, using

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Speaker 1: their power, spending their privilege to defend their community. That man,

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Speaker 1: that boy means to sit down, shut up, and perhaps

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Speaker 1: learn how to disrupt a system that is not working

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Speaker 1: for people. Because if he perhaps put up any form

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Speaker 1: of protest in the White House, maybe his father in

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Speaker 1: law wouldn't be behaving like a tyrant or a want

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Speaker 1: to be king. But again, you know, and so you

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Speaker 1: be nice for these millionaires to take, well would take

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Speaker 1: in the last four years of off and and to

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Speaker 1: your point about the cost to us, obviously we're looking

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Speaker 1: at a hundred and eighty thousand dead Americans, which somehow

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Speaker 1: right wing media has made acceptable to apparently six of

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Speaker 1: Republicans they think that's okay. And this is the same

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Speaker 1: died of Obola. I just want to put that in context.

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Speaker 1: We're we are now having a nine eleven every four days,

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Speaker 1: that's how many Americans are dying it's it's insane. And

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Speaker 1: when you talk about Trump being completely derelict in his

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Speaker 1: Trump's golfing had costed Americans over a hundred and ten

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Speaker 1: million dollars in tax are money he golfs. I believe

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Speaker 1: it's one of every four or one of every five

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Speaker 1: days of his presidency UM a hundred and five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: The estimation that if he's reelected, his golf trips will

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Speaker 1: cost our economy three hundred and forty five million dollars

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Speaker 1: if he's the president for eight years. And this is

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Speaker 1: a man who had the nerve to tell us that

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Speaker 1: Obama was golfing, and he actually at a campaign rally

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Speaker 1: in sixteen talked about his golf course in Miami and said,

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Speaker 1: and I quote, I love golf, but if I were

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Speaker 1: Turnberry again. I don't think i'd ever see Doral again.

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Speaker 1: I don't think i'd see anything. I just want to

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Speaker 1: stay in the White House and work my ass off.

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Speaker 1: So when people want to say that supposedly, by the way,

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Speaker 1: He's cost us a hundred and ten million dollars. That

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Speaker 1: was as of last year. Where where do you think

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Speaker 1: we are now? A hundred and fifty million dollars? I

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Speaker 1: don't really care. And Trump also supposedly ran a cancer charity,

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Speaker 1: and then we found out he took all the money

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Speaker 1: and spent it on himself. So I'm not really I'm

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Speaker 1: not confident that the man is donating his presidential salary

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Speaker 1: to charity because we know what that means to him.

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Speaker 1: And so again, you know, when we analyze all of

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Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, top to bottom. You said it earlier,

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Speaker 1: the system is broken. We need we need to we

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Speaker 1: need to see each other. And I know, for me,

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Speaker 1: at least, I'm willing to sit down with anybody. I'm

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Speaker 1: willing to welcome anybody to our side, anybody who says,

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00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: you know what. I may not know everything. I may

857
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: not be right about everything I know. I'm certainly not,

858
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: by the way, but I I want to be on

859
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: the side of my neighbors, of my community. I wanna

860
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: I want to figure out how to make the things

861
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: I love about America the things that everyone can love

862
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: about America. I want to make sure that whatever privilege

863
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: I have, everybody gets to have it. Anyone who wants

864
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: to do that, come on over. You don't have to

865
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: know everything. We're all learning together all the time. But

866
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: unless we really get frank and specific in our language

867
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: and in our acknowledgement of what is happening, we are

868
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: going to keep making excuses for the toxicity that poisons

869
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: all of us. All of us are at risk in

870
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: a system like this. And I share, I share your hope,

871
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: I truly do. UM, I hope that there are people

872
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: who understand the greater purpose of America. That America, Yes,

873
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: may have been founded by you know, a lot of

874
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, slaveholding white men. Uh, you know, it was

875
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: largely built to reinforce their privileges and their ability to

876
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: maintain that institution. That being said, there have been a

877
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: lot of corrections since then, and a lot of work

878
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of bloodshed to make those corrections. Um,

879
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: we cannot go forward thinking that we're going to continue

880
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: to need to see more bloodshed, more bodies pile up

881
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: in order to make change. Change is easier than this.

882
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: We can't make it easier if we want to. As

883
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: a but you know, here you know, power is intoxicating.

884
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: Racism is intoxicating for a lot of people, certainly intoxicated. UM.

885
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: And we need to, like you said, get these toxins out,

886
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: um how we read them. I mean, frankly, I've been

887
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: wrestling with this a lot, UM because I've interviewed Stacy

888
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: Abrams a number of times, and you know, I felt that,

889
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, in her race. I thought that was like, Okay,

890
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: there's a new pathway to victory. It's not really about

891
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: catering to you know, these these these Obama Trump voters,

892
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: These these people who stay there on the fence, but

893
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: actually when they go on the booth when everything's quiet,

894
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: they end up pulling the lever for the Republican UM.

895
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: And they just can't see themselves voting for say, a

896
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: black woman to be governor of Georgia. UM. I think that, Yes,

897
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: I think mobilizing as many people on our side and

898
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: animating them too, you know, get go forth and defeat

899
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: this menace, uh is I think the priority. But yeah,

900
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: we'll take converts. But they just have to be like I,

901
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: like I said before, critical thinkers, UM, and and be

902
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 1: willing to understand that. You know, they're going to make

903
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: some stakes, and and that has to be okay. And

904
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: I think, to your point, if we can apply the

905
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: same kind of willingness to be introspective about our own lives,

906
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, we we are living in a time where

907
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: mental health and self care are being acknowledged in better

908
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: ways than ever. And so if we talk about how

909
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: do I take care of myself? How do I analyze

910
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: my experiences and whatever trauma I've gone through, how do

911
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: I how do I grow? How do I be a

912
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: better friend, lover, partner, daughter, son, parent, sibling, You know,

913
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: we can do the same thing with how we fit

914
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: into America. We can acknowledge that to your point, yes,

915
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of white men who owned slaves founded this country,

916
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: but in their ideation of what this country could be,

917
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: they actually saw past themselves, past their own limitations. They

918
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: sent goals for this place that were bigger than what

919
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: they were capable of seeing because of the time and

920
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: place and prejudice they were born in. And that's the

921
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: gift for us. That's how we hold both. That's how

922
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: we say this is the way those men failed our ideals,

923
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: and they also created them. That's how you know me

924
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 1: and Brittany pack Nick Cunningham and Mina Harris can talk

925
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: about the the hundredth anniversary of women's suffrage and acknowledge

926
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: that it was an immense win and also a failure

927
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: because it didn't protect all women both and the real

928
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: way to participate in society and also push it to

929
01:04:54,440 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: be better is to hold its incredible promise and inspiration

930
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: and success and also acknowledge the ways in which it

931
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: falls short, so that every year from now and hereafter

932
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: we can push it to catch up for the falls.

933
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: We can make those falls smaller and smaller. We can

934
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: create a more equitable society. We can build a bigger table,

935
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: we can grow the economy. The irony here is that

936
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: everyone's in this scarcity mentality where they're scared that if

937
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: women get power, or black people get power, or brown

938
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: people get power, what's going to happen to them? And

939
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: the reality is that everyone just has more power. Right,

940
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: It's truly not. I mean simply in my experience as

941
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: a woman just analyzing looking at the analysis and research

942
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: around the data that comes from what would happen if

943
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: women were actually paid equally to men. The United States

944
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: economy would grow by two trillion dollars. We wouldn't actually

945
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: be in this financial suffering. We wouldn't be trying to

946
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: figure out what we can afford as a country, because

947
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: we'd be able to afford it all. So imagine if

948
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: every single person who has been held back was suddenly

949
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: made whole. Imagine the trillions and trillions and trillions of

950
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: dollars that our economy would be bigger. You know, there's

951
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: there's quite literally enough for all of us. We can

952
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: grow it together. And that's why I lament quite a

953
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: lot about what a this might sound like an on

954
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: term to apply to it, but what a wasted opportunity

955
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: the COVID has been because here is a disease that

956
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: we can all catch, that we can spread like wildfire

957
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: if we do not collectively take action, and or that

958
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: we are protecting one another by wearing our maths, by

959
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: by being isolated, by staying at home, and being responsible

960
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: by not to bars uh and to into other places

961
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: of business that we have no business being in while

962
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: there is a raging you know, pestilence in our society. Uh.

963
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, it can wait, folks, it can wait. And

964
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: you would think that people would understand, Hey, we have

965
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity here to have some to to have some healing,

966
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: because everybody can catch this, So it's not good if

967
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: black people catch them. It's not good if Latina and

968
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: Latinas catch us. It's not good if insues people catch

969
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: this and it spreads like wildfire in their communities. It's

970
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: not good for us because we could be around them, okay,

971
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: and everyone can be as around each other, So we

972
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: should be making sure that we are taking care of

973
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: our neighbors. But instead, what we've seen from way too

974
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: many people, and we're getting back into how masculinely feeds us.

975
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: We've seen way too and in particular not wearing their

976
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: masks because I guess they feel like, you know, our

977
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: our chromoomes protect us. I don't know, and like no,

978
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: men are getting sick from this thing, um and they

979
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: feel like they just need themselves. Uh, you know that,

980
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: like we need to live our lives. Well, yeah, you

981
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: can live your life. Just put a mask on. Put

982
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: a fucking mask on, like I I know, you know

983
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: from my parents are gonna hear that now said. But

984
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: the point is is that upsetting. It is that upseting. Uh,

985
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: you have with a chance to take at least the

986
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: minimum amount of collective responsibility within this society. How art

987
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: is it to stay home and not do anything if

988
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: you have the privilege so and by the numbers, we

989
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: know that it is more white people who have the

990
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: privilege to do this than people of heller disproportionately throughout

991
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: this throughout our society. So if you cannot stay home

992
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: and put on a mask, and instead you feel the

993
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: need to march into a statehouse, for instance, where a

994
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: a high powered weapon of war and demand your right

995
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: to kill yourself and other people, then again the social

996
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: contract is broken. How am I supposed to respect anything

997
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: that tells people are saying or offering to the economy

998
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: of ideas when they don't even care about my basic

999
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: survival and I see it manifest not merely in their

1000
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: support for for a particular candidate, or their encouragement of

1001
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: police violence, or their exacerbation of this termination in any

1002
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: particular arena, they are showing it to me by not

1003
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: wearing a mask, because that's really I mean, it's it's

1004
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:17,879
Speaker 1: become to me a symbol of utter disregard for our lives,

1005
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: either Black Lives matter put on a mask. Mm hmm, yeah,

1006
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: it's it's no. The irony is not lost on me

1007
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: that the anti mask crew has now hijacked ah the

1008
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: women's phrase my body, my choice. I'm like, oh now

1009
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: now it's your body your choice? Is that really because

1010
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: you tell you tell women they have no right to

1011
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: say that, But now you're saying okay, okay. So again

1012
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: we have work to do to eradicate double standards, and

1013
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: I think they right now when when ideally would be

1014
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: all all about these mass well they're also only pro birth,

1015
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: their pro forced birth or not pro life. Because what

1016
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: I realized a couple of years ago is that I

1017
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: was going to stop having this debate with anyone who

1018
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: said to me, I am pro life, and I am

1019
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: pro early childhood education access, paying for childcare, making sure

1020
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: there is affordable rent, making sure there's food access for families.

1021
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: I am pro increasing snap and welfare, and I'm I'm

1022
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: pro making sure people can afford to have families. I

1023
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: would respect those people. I've never met a single one.

1024
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: I've never met a single person who says I'm pro

1025
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: life and also pro the social programming that makes life

1026
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: livable and achievable for people, And so I just won't

1027
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: debate it anymore. Yeah, if you if you say pro

1028
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: life pro safety net. You know, we can automatically understand

1029
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: that you are not a person to be taken seriously.

1030
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: And and and at this point, we don't have a

1031
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: time to you know, I mean this, this may sound harsh.

1032
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: We don't have time and a lot of ways to

1033
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: deal with people who are not serious. Um and this,

1034
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: this president is not serious, these these administration is not

1035
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 1: serious because it's all about building this false reality in

1036
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: which none of them are racist or sexist. I've never

1037
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: seen so much time devoted to explaining that a person

1038
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 1: is not a racist or sexist when obviously so much

1039
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: evidence that you mentioned is to the contrary. And then,

1040
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: you know, it's just how am I supposed to take

1041
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: this opposition party seriously when that is the the gas

1042
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: lighting that continues to flow out of their mouths. I

1043
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: just will, honestly to have an opposition party that I

1044
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: takes seriously, I would love him with uh, you know,

1045
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: Conservatives where I know that hey, look, you know your

1046
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: for small government. That doesn't necessarily mean you're against my life.

1047
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: Conservatism has more in to a to to such a

1048
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: state that I you know, they espoused these positions that

1049
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,440
Speaker 1: I know, at the end of the day or against

1050
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: or contrary to my continued survival. And we've got to again,

1051
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: we've got to we've got to tighten it up, and

1052
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: we've got to write the ship. Because if we could

1053
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: get back to a point where humanity was not up

1054
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: for debate and we could simply debate policy, we could

1055
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: debate financial funding for programs and figure out where things go,

1056
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: and we could actually have healthy debate with people who

1057
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: have different opinions to actually get via critical thinking to

1058
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: the best possible outcome, that would be great. That's the

1059
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: kind of opposition and debate. I'm looking for this who

1060
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: deserves to live and who doesn't? Who who is a

1061
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: full human and who isn't? You know, I thought we

1062
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: got past that, and and now it seems that we're back,

1063
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: and so we we have we have work to do.

1064
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: But what's good, though, my friend, is that you are

1065
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: learning that we are not past that. And not only

1066
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: you're learning that, you're not saying like, wow, that's really

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Speaker 1: bad and then going on with your day. You are

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01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: using your platform and you are using your time two

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01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: advance to educate yourself and to educate others. And that

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01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: is one of the many reasons why our friendship this

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01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: year had one of the shining lights of a really

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01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: really shitty, shitty So thank you right back at you man. Truly,

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01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful to have the relationship that we do

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01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: and to be able to you know, like d d

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01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: M the funny political memes and also talk about how

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: we fix you know, the world and might encourage people

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01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: to see each other a little more clearly and kindly

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01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: and with more empathy. It's it's really something I cherish

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: to have, you know, the friendships that our group of

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01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: friends is so lucky to have, where these are the

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01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: ways that we love each other, it's pretty special. Yeah,

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01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: And so I think it's it's good that we touch

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01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: on love because I think, you know, obviously we're not

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01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: getting anywhere without that. And I know it's sound odd

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01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: for a journalist who writes about you know, racism and

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01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: you know sexism government all day, uh, to want to

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01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: talk about something like that. But I've had a lot

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: of love in my life and I think gratitude is

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01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: such an important part of my day now. Um, And

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01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: it hadn't been uh you know, going through rough times

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01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: this year, but I started my year and in Buddhist

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01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: temple in Tokyo. That's where I brought the New Year

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01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 1: and the yeah and the the thing that they wanted

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01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: to emphasize the theme of the night was gratitude. And

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 1: they handed out the old cards with the Japanese character

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01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: and the end, which gratitude. And that is a reminder

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01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: that I try to turn to every day. UM. And

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's in me in the course of meditation,

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01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: whether it's in the course of what I call my

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: sanity drives up the pc H when I just need

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01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: to get in my car and go somewhere, um, and

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01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: it let everything else go. UM. I don't simply dwell

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01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: on the anger and the hurt and the void. I

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01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: have to think about what I'm filling into. And so UM,

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01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for you know, my mom who just called

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01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of our taping. I'm thankful for had

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01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,799
Speaker 1: Uh and his health and and and thankful about my

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01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,799
Speaker 1: my dear sister and all these wonderful friends and chosen family,

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01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: as my good friend Chen has uh, it's termed it

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01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: chosen family that I have in my life. Yeah, me too, Yeah,

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01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: So UM, I just I am thankful um, and again

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01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: specifically for the ability um for this country to realize

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01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: where it is, um, you know, in Clearland dark way.

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01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: And though it has taken such tragic and events for

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01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: us to gain that clarity, we now have it. So

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01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: what are we going to do? Um? My job, I

1117
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: feel like as a journalist and as an analyst and

1118
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: essays is too simply introduce a perspective into the world,

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: UM that I hope people find useful, and to tell

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01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: a story that I feel are important about how the

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01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: things that I care about the most are getting fixed

1122
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: and how we are how we can all, you know,

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01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: play our part. And I don't you know people have said, oh,

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01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: that sounds like activism. Well I don't think so, because

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01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: I know activists. I know people who are community organizers,

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01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: people on the ground, people like you said, like Brittany

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01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: and and and folks who are doing that work. And

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Speaker 1: what I hope to do is tell their stories a

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01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: little bit more, Uh, tell me and what those human

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01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: beings are, like, what kind of are they going through?

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01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: What kind of laughter do they have in their life? Um?

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01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: You know, let's see all of the people who are

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01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: working to advance this country as full human beings. Let's

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01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: get to know these patriots for who they are. Um,

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01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 1: and I can do that with an objective. I I

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01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: can do that with a subjective. I. UM, you know,

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01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't need to I'm talking new fellow journalists here.

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01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: I don't need to ton it to tell you that. H.

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01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: You know, we need to understand that we have the

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01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: capability to tell these stories, but we should do so responsibly.

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01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 1: And and I just helped to keep doing that. Um.

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01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: And Rolling Stone has given me a great form for that.

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01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: And I'm I am grateful every day. Yeah, I love

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01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: that gratitude. The gratitude help to refuel the tank in

1145
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: times like this. It really does, It really does. And

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01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: I am thankful for new people have come into my

1147
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: life because I see people like, oh, I have enough friends?

1148
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: Really do you have enough friends? Do you have enough?

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01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: Because these are there like a quota. I would love

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01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: to know what enough friends feels like, because I don't

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01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: have friends, because if I had thought that. You know,

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01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of wonderful people who just this year alone,

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01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: present company included, I would never have met and never

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01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: having And you know, uh, it's it. This is one

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01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 1: of the loneliest times I think maybe in America has

1156
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: probably ever experienced. All of us have probably hit with

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01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 1: that feeling of loneliness in ways maybe that we have

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01:20:52,840 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: not particularly been familiar with. And so man, like you said,

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01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: make those connections. We gotta see each other. We gotta

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01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: find ways, even if it's by video, if it's you know,

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01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: how you're someone's on a stupid Brooklyn and you're standing

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01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: on the sidewalk, just be socially, just a community, you

1163
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Um, you know, if you're standing

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01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,799
Speaker 1: and they're standing on their front porch and you're standing

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01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: on the on the tree lawne, you can still shout

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01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: and and and be a community. UM. It's it's it's

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01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: really important for us to be around each other and

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01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: to embrace that notion that we can in fact realize

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01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: these ideals that were put Um, America is worth fighting for.

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01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: And however you do that, UM, it's up to you. UM.

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01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in my lane. I feel like

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01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm happy doing what I'm doing, and you know, whatever

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01:21:53,520 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: you know comes forth, we'll see. But I feel like, um, overall, uh,

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01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:05,839
Speaker 1: you know, all these calamity in the world cannot quash

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01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: my feeling of belonging and happiness. Good here here, Yeah,

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01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: let's let's keep let's keep that community going, and and

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01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: and and and frankly, keep listening to UM, two wise

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01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 1: people and auditing our horizons. I try to listen to

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01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 1: a new album a week, UM, something that something often

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01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: that I had, you know, the genres that I've never

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01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: would have considered, you know, country. I'm not a country fan. UM,

1182
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: not a you know, death metal guy. But you know,

1183
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: if there's an album I was like, Okay, now that's interesting.

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01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: I'll listen to the whole thing. And okay, I've experienced that. Great.

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01:22:55,560 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: Let's make our life about these experiences, you know, and UM,

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01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: and let's make space. Let's make space for each other. Indeed, indeed,

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01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: and whether that's in a d M or you know,

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01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: hugging somebody in person. UM made space for people, space

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01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: for people in your life. And welcome possibility. Welcome possibility

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01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: feels like a good kind of motto to take out

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01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: into the world. Amen.