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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Former NBA player Jim Jackson, He's been great

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Speaker 1: every time he's joined us. A little bit later on,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez, former quarterback, has been great every time he's

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Speaker 1: the program. No NBA games tonight, which is interesting. Teams

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Speaker 1: that played last night then have to turn around and

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Speaker 1: play Friday. The teams that played the day and night before,

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Speaker 1: they get to wait until Saturday. As far as action

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Speaker 1: last night, he rolled the Sixers up two oh, Sons

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Speaker 1: roll the MAVs up two oh. And when you start

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Speaker 1: to think about blockbuster trades in the NBA, we always

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Speaker 1: want to go who won and who lost, and in

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Speaker 1: most cases it's pretty clear. Sometimes we wait a couple

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Speaker 1: of years, but for the most part, you can tell

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Speaker 1: the Sons robbed the Sixers in order to get Charles Barkley.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety two, the two thousand and seven Celtics

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Speaker 1: essentially traded Al Jefferson for Kevin Garnett twenty eleven Clippers.

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Speaker 1: They got Paul for future role players. But this year's

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Speaker 1: blockbusters harder to grade. The Sixers got James Harden for

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Speaker 1: the Nets in exchange for Ben Simmons, Seth Curry and

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Speaker 1: Andre Drummond. And Harden has struggled struggled again last night,

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Speaker 1: and this has led to a lot of disappointment there.

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Speaker 1: And what happens after this series? If the Sixers go out,

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Speaker 1: even with Joe l Embiide injured not able to play,

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Speaker 1: although I think he'll be able to play at least

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Speaker 1: try to play in Game three, then what happens with

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Speaker 1: James Harden's future, what happens with Doc Rivers future there?

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Speaker 1: And then there's Ben Simmons. He didn't play a single

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Speaker 1: game this season and now he's expected to undergo a

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Speaker 1: procedure on his back that will sideline him for another

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Speaker 1: three to four months. It's impossible for us to predict

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Speaker 1: the future for both of these stars. But as things

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Speaker 1: stands now, you know, it's really hard to say there's

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Speaker 1: any real winner from that midseason blockbuster. You do have

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Speaker 1: Harden on the floor, But when did the Nets know

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Speaker 1: about Ben simmons back. This is a herniated disc he

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Speaker 1: didn't play, did he have this? Was this an existing

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Speaker 1: injury that he had? He had hurt his back when

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Speaker 1: he was with Philadelphia, But I would think that would

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Speaker 1: be where you start when you bring him in for

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Speaker 1: the physical and why didn't we know this two weeks ago?

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Speaker 1: What has change? Where they go, I'll be damned, you've

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Speaker 1: got a herniated disc there, one of the few parts

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Speaker 1: of my body I have not had surgery on. But

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Speaker 1: back surgery that's an inexact science. It's like shoulders. It's

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Speaker 1: an inexact science when they cut on you. And even

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Speaker 1: if it's just a procedure, an incision, it's still you're back.

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Speaker 1: And he's not going to play for three months. This

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Speaker 1: is a guy who needed to play. He needs to play,

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Speaker 1: and he's probably going to next time we'll see him,

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Speaker 1: we'll probably be on the court in training camp or

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Speaker 1: maybe pre season. But that's a player who needs to play,

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Speaker 1: that needs to be into a rhythm here, even if

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Speaker 1: it's pickup games against pros. You're not going to have

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Speaker 1: him in the summer league. But Ben Simmons probably gonna

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Speaker 1: miss at least three months. And then you start to go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what kind of player is he going to be when

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Speaker 1: we get him? He could be physically healthy when we

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Speaker 1: get him. Is he mentally healthy when we get him?

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Speaker 1: Can we put him in certain situations. What situations can

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Speaker 1: we not put him in? I think that's where it

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Speaker 1: gets a little bit tricky. But Ben is in good

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Speaker 1: on Kevin Durant's podcast and it starts with this question,

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Speaker 1: should you have been a NBA seventy five Should you

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Speaker 1: be on that list? Absolutely? I don't. I don't even

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Speaker 1: want to disrespect all those that are on it at all.

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Speaker 1: Like I really admire a lot of the talent that

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Speaker 1: has come through our league that has really set cornerstones

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Speaker 1: and foundational, shall I say, pathways for people to follow

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Speaker 1: right or to achieve better, to want to achieve better.

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Speaker 1: So I can't sit here and debate, you know, whether

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Speaker 1: or not I was or I wasn't. I can only

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Speaker 1: tell you how I feel, and absolutely I feel like

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Speaker 1: I deserve to be on that top seventy five list,

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Speaker 1: and simply because I'm part of the revolution of this game. Already,

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Speaker 1: Yes you are. I'd love to hear more about how

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Speaker 1: are you part of the revolution the revolution to sort

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Speaker 1: Who would you take off the top seventy five list?

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Speaker 1: That'd be my next question. He also says that to

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, you know can see us going on a

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Speaker 1: four year run of Dominance, Well that kind of times

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Speaker 1: from Kyirie right now. Just a one year run. How

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Speaker 1: you know, a half year that might be good enough.

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Speaker 1: Seventy six ers the artists formally known as They're getting

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Speaker 1: roughed up, you know, the Miami Heat. They have a

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Speaker 1: physical style of defense, and we're seeing this with this

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Speaker 1: seventy six or series. It's a bad break with Embiid

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Speaker 1: being out and you're trying to rely on James Harden

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Speaker 1: to be the old James Harden. He's just an old

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Speaker 1: James Harden. Tyrese Maxie to me is really the key

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Speaker 1: to this team, has been the key to this team.

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Speaker 1: I know Embiid as an MVP candidate, but Maxie was

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Speaker 1: the guy. If you watched them this year, he was

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Speaker 1: having a coming out party. He's twenty one years of age,

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Speaker 1: but it's not enough against a balanced Miami Heat team.

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Speaker 1: You start to think about when we talk about James Harden,

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Speaker 1: we go, yeah, he's getting older, Well we all are.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what kind of mileage do you have?

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Speaker 1: All right, So, at age thirty two, he has played

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Speaker 1: nine hundred forty two regular season games. Well, let me

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Speaker 1: go with he's thirty two years of age. He's played

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Speaker 1: a total of one thousand and eighty seven games. Lebron

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Speaker 1: James's third, He's seven. He's played in almost six hundred

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Speaker 1: more games then James Harden. This is including the postseason

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Speaker 1: as well. Lebron James takes care of his body. James

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Speaker 1: Harden doesn't. That's it. I mean, James Harden has had

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Speaker 1: a hamstring injury. I can probably point to not being

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Speaker 1: in shape. You know, his lifestyle. Does he want to

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Speaker 1: be great? He was great? He wants a long term

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Speaker 1: you know, a contract to Max. You know, I started

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Speaker 1: wandering about this. Would you rather have James Harden for

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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't want either. That's incredibly insulting the Kyrie well,

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Speaker 1: but that is incredibly insulting to compare him to James Harden.

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Speaker 1: All yelled. When you say, if you were again, if

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Speaker 1: you were gonna say, who would you want on your

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Speaker 1: he gee, that's a tough one. But Kyrie, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what you know, Kyrie. You know, Kyrie now thinks

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Speaker 1: he's part of management coaching staff. You know, I guess

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Speaker 1: I don't want either one on my team. Yeah, Poe,

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Speaker 1: it does feel like they're great players who won't help

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Speaker 1: could be that both great. Both will not help you

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Speaker 1: win the title. Well, Russell Westbrook was like that, Yeah

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Speaker 1: he's in that category. He was great, he but but

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Speaker 1: he's not going to help you win a championship. Yeah, Marv.

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Speaker 1: But Kyrie's already won a championship, so you know he

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Speaker 1: the championship. Yeah, he's very good, and he had he

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to be here in Boston

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Speaker 1: and he went to the nets. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: just can't trust him. Part of having great ability is

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Speaker 1: Whoa stars Okay, I'm James Harden for Starburst. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: today's Seaton Olcunner. We got a couple here, all right.

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Speaker 1: Who is more in the wrong, Madison Bumgarner or the

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Speaker 1: umph checked his hand? Oh boy, yeah, I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 1: all right, you know who? They came out to see me.

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Speaker 1: here they have twice, the fair people would come out

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Speaker 1: Sinco de Mayo. I put Saint Patrick's Day. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day has great food. Yeah, but it's an afterthought. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's like I got I gotta eat something to soak

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Speaker 1: up this liquor. Right, yeah, it's not What do you

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Speaker 1: got corned beef and cabbage? All right, that'll do it?

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Speaker 1: guess we can put Thanksgiving on there. I guess we

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Speaker 1: I mean Thanksgiving you think it's going to be the

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Speaker 1: Mayo and Saint Patty's Day. What else? It's the Great

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Speaker 1: Italian Day every day? Yeah, I think I could throw

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Speaker 1: some type of combination of Memorial Day. Fourth of July

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Speaker 1: if you said Memorial Day slash fourth of July food,

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Speaker 1: lane to throw it or whatever. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: those things you just start to learn by watching the

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Speaker 1: do your job as the starter, the backup can then

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Speaker 1: watch you do it. But also he can ask you questions.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Ryan Tannehill, you know, at the end

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Speaker 1: of a game, is gonna go, h hey, Mali, come

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Speaker 1: on over here. Let me tell you all the great

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Speaker 1: things that I did. He doesn't have time exactly right,

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have time to do that. Other quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: and really even other sports do we say, oh, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna mentor that guy. It's only that position sort you

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Speaker 1: gotta mentor this guy. And I agree with you. If

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Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill didn't put himself in this position, then they'd

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Speaker 1: probably be talking about a contract extension and they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be drafting Lake Willis right, although he did fall kind

438
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Speaker 1: of in their lap, but all these things had to

439
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Speaker 1: happen to get to hear right. He had to throw

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Speaker 1: three interceptions in that you know, divisional game and they

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Speaker 1: were ring number one or the top seed or whatever,

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00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, So all those things had to happen for

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Speaker 1: them to even be sniffing around. And maybe they would

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Speaker 1: have drafted this kid anyway because he fell so far,

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Speaker 1: but still it wouldn't feel like such a threat without

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Speaker 1: that game last year, and then you put him in

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Speaker 1: this position. And as long as listen, as long as

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Speaker 1: you're professional because they say is it your job to mentor? Right,

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Speaker 1: you got to go back to the question. What's the

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Speaker 1: actual question? Is he your job to mentor him? Well? No,

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Speaker 1: the answer is flat out no. The answer is, you know,

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Speaker 1: my job is to win football games. Okay, now break

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Speaker 1: that down. Well, we gotta complete passes. I gotta get

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Speaker 1: us into the right play. I gotta get us out

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Speaker 1: of negative plays. And we got to kick the ball

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Speaker 1: after every series, either a punt, an extra point, or

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Speaker 1: a field goal. And if we're doing that and I'm

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Speaker 1: taking care of the football, I'm throwing touchdowns and stuff. Yeah,

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00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: that's my job to move the team down the field,

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Speaker 1: the offensive team down the field and score point and

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Speaker 1: beat the other team. Fast to my job. All right,

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about name, image and likeness.

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Speaker 1: We're a little short on time here. I want to

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Speaker 1: know that the downside if there is of name, image

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Speaker 1: and likeness, well, right now, I guess it's just kind

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Speaker 1: of not real rules. I heard something about some task assembled,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, the Avengers are getting assembled to come up

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Speaker 1: with some rules around here because guys, you know, you

469
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Speaker 1: hear these stories of guys players, you know, flipping their

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Speaker 1: commitment and alliance from one school to another based on

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Speaker 1: guaranteed money for name, image and likeness, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's turning into this like bidding war for players. As

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Speaker 1: much as some coaches and players want to deny it,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. And the fact of the matter is,

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Speaker 1: this stuff's been going on for a long time. Now.

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Speaker 1: It's just like you know, it's it's like, uh, it's

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Speaker 1: like marijuana, right, Like all of a sudden, marijuana is legal, okay,

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Speaker 1: and people are like, oh sweet, except for the people

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Speaker 1: who've been smoking for like a really long time, like

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Speaker 1: they don't really care. So this stuff has been happening,

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Speaker 1: like if you're telling me players haven't been paid for

482
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: a long time, like that's crazy. Now they're just making

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Speaker 1: it okay, And now they're trying to figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what are the rules we put on this, because this

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Speaker 1: thing spiraling out of control and who's really in charge?

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Speaker 1: What's really going on? And so you know, if you

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Speaker 1: put some task force on it, usually that means things

488
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Speaker 1: aren't going well. You're you're linking oil somewhere, and so

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Speaker 1: somebody's gonna try and fix it. But I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what what they're gonna do. Who's the

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Speaker 1: first person to get in trouble for offering money? You know,

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Speaker 1: the NC double A is already on thin nic. They

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Speaker 1: don't want to they don't want to come down on

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Speaker 1: one of these players and make an example of someone

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00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: like they chart with Reggie Bush, like it's just going

496
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Speaker 1: to backfire because people are questioning their authority as it is.

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Speaker 1: It's always great to talk to you. Mark. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining us and listening to the program. And uh,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk soon. I love you guys talk. So that's

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Speaker 1: Mark Rencious, Yes, happy Sinco de Mayo. A token interview

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Speaker 1: by Fritzie Fox, NFL analysts, former NFL quarterback And you know,

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Speaker 1: that's why I thought Mark would be a great guest

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Speaker 1: to have on because he's been the starter and he's

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Speaker 1: been the backup and then that role that you play.

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Speaker 1: But he's right, it's it's the qua Is it your job?

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Speaker 1: It's not my job. Now you can say it's part

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Speaker 1: of my responsibilities, or it's an element of my job.

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Speaker 1: It's not his job to tutor mentor Malik Willison, you

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Speaker 1: can't say it because, as Mark said, either way however

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Speaker 1: you answer it, it's like, oh, he doesn't care to.

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Speaker 1: Oh he thinks he's too good. Oh he's nervous. He

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Speaker 1: didn't want to mentor him, because oh, shouldn't you be

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Speaker 1: worried about yourself and not mentoring the backup court. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you say or how you said, the

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Speaker 1: media will twist it. And that's really what came out

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Speaker 1: of that. If you just take that little clip the headline.

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Speaker 1: It's not my job to mentor Malik Willis. It's not,

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Speaker 1: but I have to. I have to be fair to

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Speaker 1: him and at least listen to what he says, because

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Speaker 1: it wasn't my job to mentor anybody at Sports Center.

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Speaker 1: If they ask for help, I gave them help, but

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Speaker 1: I chose to be passive about it, not active about it.

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Speaker 1: And plus, most guys who came into Sports Center thought

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Speaker 1: that they were ready to go and didn't need any

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00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: advice whatsoever. Who specifically Thanks for listening to The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every

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Speaker 1: weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on

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Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on

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Speaker 1: the Peacock app. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is

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Speaker 1: called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time,

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Speaker 1: but it's more about the stories about what made these

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcast. Jim Jackson, one of our favorites NBA

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Speaker 1: on TNT, also works for the Clippers. Hey Fox analyst.

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Speaker 1: He was on the call Tuesday night Game two Warriors Grizzlies,

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Speaker 1: and the Trio will be broadcasting Game four. I'm Jared Greenberg,

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Speaker 1: Eye an Eagle in Sam Francisco on Monday at ten

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Speaker 1: eastern once again on TNT. Jim, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with the feeling that you had in

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Speaker 1: that game that it felt like old playoff basketball, Like

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Speaker 1: these two really don't like each other, but they haven't

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Speaker 1: played enough to have that rivalry where you know, Detroit

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00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: and the Bowls or the Celtics in the Lake, there's

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00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: no history there. But when did you sense that this

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Speaker 1: was big brother, little brother, and little brother was not

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Speaker 1: going to put up with any nonsense our coaches meetings

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Speaker 1: because before the game, we'll get into a dream room

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to each coach and kind of go

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00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: over you know, there's some questions about game planning again.

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Speaker 1: And then one thing that you know, Taylor Jenkins talked

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Speaker 1: about was that they the Memphis Grizzlies were going to

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Speaker 1: be more physical in regards to the game because it

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00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: meant so much that they were close there in Game one,

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00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: but being a young team, they made some mistakes and

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Speaker 1: they that they lost that game one. They weren't It

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00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: wasn't the same when they lost in Minnesota. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a young team. Your shoulders are slumped a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You kind of disappointed. They felt a beat so from

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Speaker 1: the beginning of that, and even Steve Kerr said it

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Speaker 1: in the meeting with him that it was going to

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Speaker 1: be a much more of a physical game. And you

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Speaker 1: can kind of feel the energy in the building as

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Speaker 1: it started to ramp up, the clock started to tick down,

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Speaker 1: you got to the national anthem, you looked at the

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Speaker 1: focus of the players on each side, knowing how important

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Speaker 1: this game was to both teams that it was gonna

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Speaker 1: be a little bit different, a little bit more physical,

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Speaker 1: a little choppy at times, but once again a great game.

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Speaker 1: The difference between a hard foul and a dirty foul,

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Speaker 1: a dirty play is what the intent. To me. A

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Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, a hard foul is I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna got to get a basket. I'm gonna grab him,

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Speaker 1: gonna wrap him up. I'm not gonna try to hurt him,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna try to influence the way that he's

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Speaker 1: going to the basket or he's shooting the shot so

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Speaker 1: he doesn't finish. A dirty file is when a guy

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Speaker 1: you're just going to whack and you're gonna take a

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Speaker 1: guy out, tell a dirty file. It's so obvious. Did

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Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks? Is Dylan Brooks guilty of that? No? To me,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was a dirty file. What I

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Speaker 1: do believe is that the guy leaves his feet. Now,

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Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks is in the past has known to come

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Speaker 1: from behind him block a shot. But once Gary Payton

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Speaker 1: took off, the second impact of what Dylan Brooks did

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Speaker 1: magnified the whole play and it was a flagrant too

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Speaker 1: in regards to According to the rules because it was

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Speaker 1: a wind up. It was a swipe just like Draymond Greens. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Draymonds wasn't as impactful. And I say it because Brandon

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Speaker 1: Clark really didn't get hurt. If Brandon Clark gets hurt

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Speaker 1: as he hits the Graham, because remember Brandon fell and

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00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: he couldn't brace itself. So if he gets hurt, that

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00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: magnifies that play even more. And that's the difference between

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Speaker 1: the two. I think GP the second, the way he

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Speaker 1: came down on that elbow, it was a tough play

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Speaker 1: year and I think that is what really caused the

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Speaker 1: outcry a lot more is because of the overall injury. Well,

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Speaker 1: we look at the end result because exactly you know,

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Speaker 1: if Gary Payton gets up, then there's not this outcry

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Speaker 1: of this guy should be suspended for Game three. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a hard foul. And then you mentioned Draymond Green.

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Speaker 1: Draymond Green was upset that the fans were cheering that

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Speaker 1: he got hit in the side of the head. He

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Speaker 1: was bleeding a little bit. But does Draymond know that

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Speaker 1: the reason why they're doing that is what Draymond did

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Speaker 1: in Game one, So the fans don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: bleeding or got a concussion, he just flipping them off. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're mad at him from happen in Game one, And

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Speaker 1: don't you guys understand I could have had a concussion.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, they know, they don't know that, they don't

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Speaker 1: they don't know it. Draymond is my guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've been covering them since Michigan State. And he's gonna

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Speaker 1: play the way he's gonna play. And you know, we

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Speaker 1: as athletes, we have a certain thing in our mind. Well,

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Speaker 1: fans gotta understand this part of what don't work like that,

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Speaker 1: And again, his reputation precedes him. I love to play

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Speaker 1: with Draymond, and the reason why is because I know

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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna get. I know it's a guy that's

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Speaker 1: gonna play. He's highly intelligent, high IQ for the game.

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00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna play defense, do all the little things. But

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Speaker 1: he's there enforcement. So he's built up this reputation over

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Speaker 1: the years, good or bad. So when there's a benefit

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Speaker 1: of the doubt, a lot of times if you're not

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Speaker 1: a Golden State, fans going the other way when you're

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Speaker 1: at an opposing teams arena. So when things like that happen.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying this right to cheer when a guy

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Speaker 1: gets hurt. Okay, oh, it always happened an opposing player

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Speaker 1: who is not well light from the perspective of Now,

633
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: if he played at Memphis, they would love him to death.

634
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: They would love him to death. That's their kind of guy.

635
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: But because he's on the opposing team. You know, we

636
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: are as athletes are naive at times to think that

637
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: fans are going to empathize with us a lot of

638
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 1: times in a competitive situation. Now, again, I'm not saying

639
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: that it's right or wrong in regard. I'm not saying

640
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: that it's right that fans cheer. No, it's not. But

641
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: in the nob of competition, they didn't know. They just

642
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: saw Draymond Green get hid in the face. He was out.

643
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: That was it. They were cheering that aspect because of

644
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: what happened in the game before, because Draymond basically set

645
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: the tone in regards to what this series who was

646
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: going to be all about with that hard physical file.

647
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: But I want Draymond to be known for his play

648
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: because if I asked the regular fan, what kind of

649
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: numbers did Draymond have in Game one? What did he

650
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: have in game two. We used to know those numbers.

651
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: Now we don't. It's Draymond is getting known for something

652
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: more than that, and that would concern me. If I'm

653
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr, I gotta have you in the game. I

654
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: can't have you getting kicked out. You can be an instigator,

655
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: you can be in and you can do all those things.

656
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: Do it in the context of what we do and

657
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: what we've done, and don't get yourself into individual trouble.

658
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: And that's the only thing I would take away from that. Well,

659
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: but it's happened before, right twenty sixteen, and that's the problem.

660
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: Here's the thing is that with a player like Draymond

661
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: or any player like that, that had to work his

662
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: way to get to where he's at, not as physically

663
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: gifted as a lot of players. So he had to

664
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: use the thing in between his ears. He had to

665
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: play more physical, he had to play a different brand

666
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: of basketball in order to be successful. The league worked

667
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: out perfect in regards to it being a smaller league

668
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: for Draymond to really compete at that poor position. He

669
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: figured it out as well as anybody will be one

670
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: day a Hall of Famer. And you're right that his

671
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: antics a lot of times over shadow how intelligent a

672
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: basketball player he is. And I'm sure that even Golden

673
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: State fan get frustrated with Draymond at time because kind

674
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: of like a Patrick Beverley, over emphasis on being the

675
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: tough guy and making a hard place can come back

676
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: to hurt the team at times of critical junctures of

677
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: the game, and as a coach, it's like, Okay, what's

678
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: damn what's that bottom line? What's that dray area where

679
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, Dre, I want you to be you,

680
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: but I don't need you to be you in this

681
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: situation because it comes back to hurt it. That's the

682
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: dilemma you face when you have a tense player like

683
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: a Draymond Green that you got allowed to be himself.

684
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: But if he crosses that line against one more flagrant too,

685
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: guess what's out? And that totally changes how we saw

686
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: operates defensively, importantly, how they they operate offensively. We're talking

687
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: to Jim Jackson, NBA on team and t also Fox analyst.

688
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: He'll be on the call Monday at ten Eastern game

689
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: four Warriors and the Grizzlies. Did you call out John

690
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: Morant for the game winning shot when he carried the

691
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: ball and took four or five steps there. I mean,

692
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: at some point it becomes laughable, Jim that, and I'm

693
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: not doing old school as much as I'm doing No. No,

694
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be able to have your hand under the ball.

695
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: And then he took at least four steps two and

696
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: a half in a quarter. No, did he travel? If that?

697
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: If that? If that game is in San Francisco, is

698
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: it called a travel? Who the referee cruis? Because it

699
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: was a play that stepped me basically took the ball

700
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: over top of the defender, which is a carry. They

701
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: didn't call it. So we can go back in between

702
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: the game and figure out some plays in sweam where

703
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: it was a carry as a travel, It was a charge,

704
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: it was walk, it was a box. But are they

705
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: more likely way to call a travel or a carry

706
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: now in the NBA? Good question, I mean, that's dan.

707
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: That's a good question because they don't call it either. No, no,

708
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: they don't call it either. That's the answer. Here's the thing.

709
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: I who think it's gonna be consistency If this is

710
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: how you're going I think players and coaches want this

711
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: from official, and officials have a tough job because they're

712
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: graded out each and every game. In order to get

713
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: to this part of the playoffs, you know, you got

714
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: to have a certain amount of points line up in

715
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: order to build up to get to referee to official

716
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: a playoff game, let alone the champion. And you know

717
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: that was a carry, and you know it was a travel,

718
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, and I know it was a carry, and

719
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: I know it's a travel. So it the official doesn't

720
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: call it. It wasn't a violation nothing. Okay. U Phil

721
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: Jackson's role with the Lakers, you're gonna bring him in

722
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: to pick your next head coach. What does this mean

723
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: for Lebron's future in Los Angeles? Importantly, how much control

724
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: is the Lakers front office going to have with the

725
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: coach they pick. See here's the challenge with the Lakers.

726
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 1: Jerry bust did a phenomenal job of building you notice,

727
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: from the beginning, building stars because he wanted to have

728
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: star power because this is La. So the Lakers, you know,

729
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: are enamored with name on the back of the jersey

730
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: a lot of time instead of fit. Whether that's from

731
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: a coaching perspective or from the players. Think about it,

732
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: when Mike D'Antoni came and they got Dwight Howard. That

733
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: wasn't a fit, but Dwight Howard had a name, he

734
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: hit a brand. Dwight Howard didn't fit in Mike D'Antoni system.

735
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: There's no way that was gonna work. So the question

736
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: is going to be allow the coach that you bring

737
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: in to actually have some construction control where it's gonna

738
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: fit and it's gonna work, because if not, then you're

739
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: going to bring in another coach that you kind of

740
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: kind of force pieces to have to fit based on management.

741
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: And that's the issue with the lady who it is.

742
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: You don't bring in the tay lou He's won a championship,

743
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: he's been trusted by Lebron James, but you want to

744
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: offer him a three year deal and you want to

745
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: actually kind of pick and choose his coaching side. Come on,

746
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the challenge you have, and that's why

747
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: the Laker job is so difficult, just based around the

748
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: philosophies in the front office. They've done it right for

749
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: a long time, but they've also done it wrong. This

750
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: is gonna be very interesting to see feels role and

751
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: who ultimately choose to leave their franchise. Moving forward to

752
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: how much power that coach has over again roster controction.

753
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: I just don't see Lebron sticking around for this. I

754
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: just don't. You know. You look around, they don't have

755
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: any depth. They got Westbrook and a dum What else

756
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: do you have in the West. You know, Pelicans get

757
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: Zion back, You're gonna have the Sons. They're still there,

758
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: even though Chris gets a year older. Golden State is

759
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: still there, Denver and everybody, Yes, you got all of

760
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: this and better. Yeah, you have to look around and go,

761
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna win another championship. Does Lebron then say

762
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: I gotta go? You know, it's tough to dig into

763
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: the mind of what he thinks because he's always calculating

764
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: what the next move is. And you know, they don't

765
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: have salary cap. They have salary cap restricted to no

766
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: draft picks. So that's why they had to build the

767
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: roster the way they did with one year contracts this

768
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: year and try to trade to get a Westbrook in

769
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: order for it to fit. The challenge is moving forward.

770
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I can't move. That's going to be

771
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: a challenge. Um is tough because of injury. And if

772
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: we do move that, who's our future because there's always

773
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: has to be a star something there in LA, they

774
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: are strapped. I don't know what lebronze ultimate goal is

775
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: because it's a moving target in regards to where he

776
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: wants to be in his career. Okay, because LA was

777
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: the next step I think in his legacy. He's won

778
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: a championship, even though the astrid part of it was

779
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: the bubble. He's out in LA for other alternative things

780
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: business wise, which I'm not mad at. But his mind

781
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: is always calculating, thinking about what's next. And I'm sure

782
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: he and Rich Paul have talked about this numerous times

783
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: of what what it's going to look like next year,

784
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: what is this team going to look like? And I'm

785
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: sure Ad is being part of the fold. As far

786
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: as being clutched, there's a trepidation there. As far as

787
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: man Ad had to stay healthy. That's the only way

788
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: we can get this thing done. We don't have a

789
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: point guard in regards to how it fits. So it's

790
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna be very interesting to see the language, the communication,

791
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: what comes out, you know, after the finals leading to

792
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: the draft and pre agency what's gonna happen with this team?

793
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: But well, Lebron, I just don't know where the calculation is.

794
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he satisfies where he's at right now.

795
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: If you're watching on Peacock, you can see that Jim

796
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: Jackson has quite a few sneakers behind him, so that

797
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: I like free I like free stuff, man. Okay, you know,

798
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: let's do let's do a guess here of how many

799
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: shoes Jim Jackson has. Um Seaton will start with you.

800
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: How many pairs? I'm gonna say one hundred and seventy five?

801
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: One seventy five? Marv? What do you think? I'm gonna say?

802
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: Two fifty two fifty? Oh, Marv, I like my man, Marv.

803
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: Paulie in this room or total in that room? Uh?

804
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: One hundred and five? All right, Fritzie three? Um, can

805
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: you give us a look around with your computer? There?

806
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: The problem is you can't see that door that's closed

807
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: right there. Oh oh, that there's shoes okay, okay, So

808
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: that's the hitting door right there, okay, and then there's

809
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: some on the side floor and boxes. Yeah. I'm not PJ. Tucker.

810
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: Though his shoe collection is ridiculous, he has custom shoes.

811
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: And I'm not that young. I'm just like my deda

812
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: is my Nikes, you know, my workout shoes. He he

813
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: gets the custom stuff and different designs on it. I'm

814
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more playing. I'm older man. So I'm

815
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna say, uh, I'm gonna say, three hundred

816
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: pairs of tennis shoes, clothes. I don't know. I don't

817
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: know that. I don't know the number. We'll give me

818
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: a guess, two fifty, okay, And and that's it. That's

819
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: a rough estimation because I continue to get more. And

820
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: it's just that I love sneakers, you know what I mean.

821
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: But if you had to grab one pair to get

822
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: out of the house, oh, I'm I'm gonna do. I'm

823
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: always gonna do. I'm ana head shorts, air Force one

824
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: always because diversa they didn't go in anything. Okay, So

825
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: there's no special ones like Jordan gave you a pair

826
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: of shoes or any of that, Kobe, any any of

827
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: those things. No, no, no, but those wouldn't be worn

828
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: if they gave him. I knew you got to get

829
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: out of the house with one pair. Oh, all you

830
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: mean is I just got to lead. Yeah, like, that's

831
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: you only get to save one pair of shoes. It

832
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: ain't that important to me. I'm getting out of the house.

833
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: All the hell is, Jim, you're getting out of the house. Oh,

834
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: I like I had to get out, Like no, no, no,

835
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: you're getting out of the house. Yeah, I'm not setting

836
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: the house on fire. I'm saying you're okay. I thought

837
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: you I thought you were kicking me out. No no no, no, no, no. No.

838
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: Hypothetical one pair of shoes to get out of the

839
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: house with, man um, what if it was one pair?

840
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Speaker 1: Probably do with the Carolina Blue. These are all all

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Speaker 1: my favorite georgan man those three yeah right here. You

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Speaker 1: should have gotten Jordan to autograph those. No, I had

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Speaker 1: enough encounters with him doing what he signed the shoes

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Speaker 1: if you asked him, Oh yeah, he Mike and I.

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Speaker 1: You know, here's a funny story about the shoot. I'm

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Speaker 1: playing for the Nets and we beat them. This is

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Speaker 1: ninety six, ninety seven years we beat them in New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. So we go to Chicago to play. Some

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Speaker 1: people told the story, they didn't tell it right. So

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Speaker 1: we're playing. They won't get back because we beat him.

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Speaker 1: Sam Kinsell and I had a really good game. So

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Speaker 1: Mike and I are going back and forth just talking.

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Speaker 1: You can't guard me, I can't guard you. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: We're going back. We lose the game. I had thirty three,

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Speaker 1: Mike had thirty seven. So we're going through the line

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Speaker 1: to shake hand. Got the words, and Joe Klein that

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Speaker 1: played for the Bulls before, pulls Mike to the side, says, Mike,

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Speaker 1: and leave my man, JJ, my young fund. Mike said, no,

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Speaker 1: JJ's my guy. But tell him that's why you're wearing

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Speaker 1: my shoes. It is weird to play against the guy

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Speaker 1: you're wearing his shoes. Jim, Hello, hello trash right what

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Speaker 1: jump man? Joe? I said, I'm gonna continue to wear

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Speaker 1: them too, so what so. But that's that's my Jordan

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Speaker 1: story on the shoes because that right there was the comeback.

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Speaker 1: I'm all just tebody. Thank you, Thank you, Jim. It's

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Speaker 1: always great to talk to you, buddy. Okay, good talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Same travels, Jim Jackson, NBA on TNT on

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Speaker 1: the call Monday Game four with Iron Eagle and Jared Greenberg.

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Speaker 1: That'll be on TNT