1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Pastor John Paul Miller out 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: of South Carolina, Myrtle Beach set free, walks free on 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: felony cyberstalking charges that he cyberstalked his wife Micah just 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: before she's found dead, and now a brand new lawsuit 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: claiming the church was just a sex playground for the 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: reverend John Paul Miller. Why is he walking free? Good evening? 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, this is crime Stories. I want 8 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us the fans and 9 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: died a Myrtle Beach pastor preacher John Paul Miller, after 10 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: the shocking death of his young wife from the county 11 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: on the address of your emergency, I'm about to sell in. 12 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: I caught my family didn't order to find me. 13 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: Jesus' name. 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: In Jesus' name, every time I see Micah Miller, I 15 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: feel a great sense of injustice. Amidst claims new claims 16 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: in a civil lawsuit that Miller, the pastor, and Micah 17 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: Miller's former husband used in the church as a sexual playground. 18 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: According to the complainant, the petitioner in that case, she 19 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: was just fifteen years old when their sex affair started 20 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, in most jurisdictions with an underage girl, that 21 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: is called statutory rape. I don't know what's going to 22 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: become of any criminal charges there, but there is a 23 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: civil lawsuit right now and this as Pastor John Paul 24 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Miller walks free on charges. 25 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: Listen, my friends, we know just a fraction of what 26 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: micaeh went through and we're very, very pleased that he 27 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: has finally been indicted. 28 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 4: Outside the Florence Courthouse where JP Miller faces arraignment on 29 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: federal charges, more than seventy people dressed in purple chant 30 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 4: Micah's name, carrying signs with her picture and purple balloons. 31 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 4: Miller dressed in a silver suit, refusing to speak to 32 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 4: the media and entering the courthouse through a side gate 33 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 4: protected by extra security. Some supporters could not enter the 34 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 4: packed courtroom where Miller makes his plea. 35 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: Oh the irony, Oh by the way that videos from 36 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: our friends at Myrtle Beach, sunnes and w pde the 37 00:02:53,960 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: irony Jennifer Wood, the irony that Pastor John Paul Miller 38 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: shows up in a silver suit demanding anonymity. It reminds 39 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: me of Harry and Megan's worldwide privacy tour, don't look 40 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: at me, let me alone as I go on to 41 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: the late night talk shows. That said, he shows up 42 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: in this sparkly silver suit, demanding to be left alone 43 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: and flanked by security, but yet no one protected Micah Miller. 44 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: Now she's dead. How many times was she allegedly abused, 45 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: verbally threatened, cyberstalked, you name it by her husband? Can 46 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: you imagine your own husband posting naked photos of you online? 47 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: That said, why is he walking free? Jennifer Wood? Why 48 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: is he out amongst regular people? 49 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 5: It's a good question. He is out with an ankle 50 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 5: monitor on and with some pretty serious conditions related to 51 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 5: his release. To see if he can follow all of 52 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 5: those conductions. 53 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: Please put her up? Okay, Jennifer, I like you. You're 54 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: an incredible reporter. Did you just say some serious conditions 55 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: like an ankle monitor. I'm gonna play you some sound 56 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: in a moment about a guy that elluded police because 57 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: he put the ankle monitor on his cat. He got 58 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: a three day lead on the fits right, the cat 59 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: was wearing the ankle monitor. Is that Do you actually 60 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: think that's a serious condition? I got another case where 61 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: a guy committed a rape with the ankle monitor on 62 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: his ankle. Do you think ankle monitor is going to 63 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: slow down Pastor John Paul Miller. 64 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 5: No, And I also don't think. I mean, we'll see 65 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 5: if he can abide by the conditions that they put 66 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 5: on him, because he does not seem to be the 67 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 5: type of person who can stay quiet. He seems to always, 68 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 5: you know, at the most inopportune times, feel like he 69 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 5: needs to give his side of the story. It is 70 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 5: absolutely bizarre, and I think that is why he is 71 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 5: in this position in the first place. 72 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: Okay, there you see him front and center with his 73 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: added security coming out of the courthouse. That's for my 74 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: friend's at WMBF News. Actually, that suit's not sparkling. It's 75 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: very conservative, unlike his normal get ups. You know, this 76 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: is what I don't get. Regina Ward joining me. She 77 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: is a lawyer, high profile lawyer for Michael Miller's family, 78 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: and she founded the Regina Ward Law firm Regina when 79 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: I married. From then on, no other guy's attractive to me. 80 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care if they're good looking, 81 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: if they can dance, if they're funny and witty and brilliant, 82 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: and the whole thing. Don't care because that's what I 83 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: signed up for and I'm doing it. I'm doing it 84 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: self control this guy an ankle monitor. You think it's 85 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: going to stop him from doing something bizarre and very 86 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: very wrong. 87 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 6: It's not gonna He's never going to be stopped from 88 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 6: doing something bizarre because he just is a bizarre person. 89 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you everybody was happiest. 90 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 6: So was I to learn because the judge at the 91 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 6: very end, when he was going through the conditions of 92 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 6: the bond, we kept waiting because the US Attorney General's 93 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 6: office showed evidence that he was a flight risk and 94 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 6: a danger to society. So in order for him to 95 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 6: and they wanted this ankle monitor on him. 96 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: So there was a question, you. 97 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 6: Know, because his defense attorney is saying, oh, well, he 98 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 6: showed up for court, he's not a flight risk, he. 99 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: Lives here, et cetera. 100 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 6: Well, the judge just didn't buy that, and the judge said, no, 101 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 6: putting an ankle monitor on Now. 102 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: I agree with you, Nancy. 103 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 6: It doesn't prevent people from doing committing other crimes or 104 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 6: doing something. But I tell you what it does do. 105 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 6: It's in his in you know, he tracked Micah for years, 106 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 6: for over a year. And so it's such poetic justice 107 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 6: that now the US Attorney Jones office. 108 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: Has a tracker on him to see where he is 109 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: at all times. 110 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: If a cat could out smart law enforcement wearing an 111 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: ankle monitor, even John Paul Miller can do the same. 112 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: Lessen Martinez Espinoza on house arrest with GPS monitoring after 113 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 4: he's caught trying to distribute forty pounds of cocaine. Espinoza's 114 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 4: ankle monitor gives frequent tampering notifications, but he's always found 115 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 4: at home, claiming no interference with the device authorities. Roughly 116 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: six weeks later, get a notification it's out of battery. 117 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 4: This time Espinoza isn't home and for up to three 118 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 4: days the device was tracking his cat. 119 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: Mm hmm okay. And so everyone's rejoicing that John Paul 120 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: Miller as an ankle monitor after he gets out of 121 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: jail on serious charges and myka, it's dead. I'm not 122 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: rejoicing to me, that's like, okay, behave now. And there's more. 123 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: Do you recall the name J. C. Duger. I'll never 124 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: forget it because she was kidnapped on the way to 125 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: school and she was held hostage for years, she gave 126 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: birth to three children having been raped by her kidnapper. 127 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: Guess what he was wearing an ankle monitor. Listen. 128 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 4: Philip Garrito serves eleven years of a fifty year sentence 129 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 4: for rape with decades of parole. Girrito must visit his 130 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 4: parole officer twice a month in addition to bi weekly 131 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 4: unannounced home visits. In two thousand and six, Grito is 132 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 4: fitted with an ankle monitor. Despite surveillance of Garrito's movements. 133 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: It's another three years before authorities discover Garrito kept J. C. 134 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 4: Lee Duggard captive in his backyard for eighteen years. 135 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: Okay, that's not all. J. C. Duger was held captive 136 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: and gave birth to three children fathered by rapist Philip 137 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: Garrito in a shed in his backyard, and he was 138 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: wearing an ankle monitor. It did nothing, Okay. Bow and Turner. 139 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: Bow and Turner classic example, he allegedly committed a rape 140 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: while wearing his ankle monitor. 141 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: Bo and Turner begins a reign of terror in Orangeburg, 142 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 4: South Carolina, with the rape of classmate Dallas Staller. Turner's 143 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 4: released on house arrest. Not only does Turner routinely violate 144 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 4: the terms of his bond. He rapes a second team 145 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: while wearing an ankle monitor. When Dallas takes her own life, 146 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: the solicitor's office drops her case. A thirteen accuses Turner 147 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 4: of rape. 148 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 7: I went out with my best friend. We went to 149 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 7: a party and I stepped outside to make a phone 150 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 7: call and he ended up pulling me behind a truck 151 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 7: on a tree line. And next thing I know, I'm 152 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 7: on the ground and I remember feeling what he was doing, 153 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 7: what was going on, And on the inside, I was yelling, 154 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 7: I was screaming. I wanted to kick and scream, but 155 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 7: it was just like my body. It wouldn't move. 156 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace to Regina war joining me, 157 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: there seems to be a lot of rejoicing that the 158 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: pastor has wought free and oh he has to wear 159 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: an ankle minor. I've got this many cases right here 160 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: of people that went on to abscond or commit another 161 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: crime or trick law enforcement while wearing an ankle monitor. 162 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: So why are you so happy? Are you just like shot? 163 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: Their charges were actually handed down to start with. 164 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 6: Yes, I am, And that was one thing that we've 165 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 6: been sitting on edge seat waiting from the beginning, you know, 166 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 6: happy whenever we've got that search warrant and went into 167 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 6: his home, and happy that the indictment came out, and 168 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 6: very happy that there was an arrangement and the rejoicing. 169 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: Isn't I agree with you, Nancy. 170 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 6: It's not as I said earlier, it's not going to 171 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 6: prevent him from committing other crimes. But at the end 172 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 6: of the day, here's the thing. There was a concern 173 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 6: that the judge was not going to put one on him. 174 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 6: That is a super scary thought to begin with, because 175 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 6: the government needs to know where he is at all times. 176 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: Now. I understand he can go do other. 177 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 6: Things, but the fact that he tracked and stalked Micah, 178 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 6: it seemed justifiable. The best form of justice at this 179 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 6: point right now is to track mister Miller. So now 180 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 6: that he knows that he's been tracked by the government, Okay. 181 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 6: So there was a real concern that the judge was 182 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 6: not going to issue that. We all felt it was 183 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 6: very critical, especially in light of how he's cyber stalked Micah. 184 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: So just makes sense that the government should. 185 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: Be Now why we could check him a whole lot 186 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: better if we were watching him. The close circuit TV 187 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: walk from his cell to the canteen and back to 188 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: his cell, and maybe to the cafeteria and maybe for 189 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: his one hour of recreation in the yard. I could 190 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: check him a lot better that way, but I agree, Okay, 191 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: miss lady, whatever you say and uproar outrage after John 192 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: Paul Miller, the pastor out of Myrtle Beach walks free. Listen. 193 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 6: Today Paul Miller was arraigned on federal charges in this courtroom. 194 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: This is the first step in the judicial process. 195 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: He was charging with cyberstalking lying to federal investigators. GP. 196 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 4: Miller pleads not guilty to cyber stalking in full statements 197 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 4: to investigators, weaving his right to speedy trial. Prosecutors claim 198 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 4: Miller is a flight risk, citing a large safe silvers 199 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 4: invaluable baseball cards found in Miller's home as means to 200 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 4: fleet in addition to access to a private plane. The 201 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 4: judge setting Miller's bond at one hundred thousand dollars and 202 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 4: Miller must surrender his passport and wear an ankle monitor. 203 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: That from our friends at Myrtle Beach Sun needs. The 204 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: protest seemingly endless. 205 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 8: You're cracking JP. 206 00:13:51,800 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: Your REFI as coming. We told you that from the 207 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: Robbie Harvey on X and Melissa Pfeiffer. Apparently the protesters 208 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: had more faith than many legal eagles did. Jennifer Wood, 209 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: she kept saying, following him through the parking lot, the 210 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: Feds are coming, You're cracking, You're cracking. Nobody ever thought 211 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: anything would happen, and then bam it did. John Paul Miller, 212 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: pastor John Paul Miller, just fresh out of an arrangment, 213 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: walks free with an ankle bracelet. I mean, monitor, Jennifer Wood. 214 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: What are the charges? PTL. The Feds did go after 215 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: him when local authorities did nothing. What are the charges? 216 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 5: Specifically, Jennifer he is facing federal charges of cyberstocking resulting 217 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 5: in death, as well as making false statements to the 218 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 5: federal investigators. 219 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: Okay, regarding the false statements, Sidney Summer joining me Crime 220 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter, can you elaborate on that? Of course 221 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: she's correct, but what are the details. 222 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 9: So the two false statements that JP Miller got caught in, well, 223 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 9: there's more than two. There was one point where Miller 224 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 9: claims that they were calling each other back and forth 225 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 9: all day, arguing trying to play phone tag. In reality, 226 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 9: he called Micah fifty times that day trying to get 227 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 9: a hold of her, and she was not participating. She 228 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 9: wasn't calling him back. That was harassing phone calls from Miller. 229 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 9: In another statement, he claimed that no one had ever 230 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 9: told him to stop calling Micah had stopped trying to 231 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 9: contact her, But there's record of a police officer having 232 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 9: an interaction with Miller and telling him to stop contacting her. 233 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 9: And the third one is that Miller claimed he didn't 234 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 9: damage mike A's tires that confrontation at the tire shop, 235 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 9: but they found evidence he purchased a tired deflation device. 236 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 9: So it's very very odd that he's not telling the 237 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 9: truth there. 238 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: Okay, what is that sid a tire deflation device? I mean, 239 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: I've gotten the twins, so many of those pump your 240 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: car tire up immediately, you just push a button in 241 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: case they have a flat, But I have never encountered 242 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: a tire deflation device. What is that? 243 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 9: Well, it's actually used for off roading vehicles. So a 244 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 9: lot of times if you have like a four x 245 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 9: four and you want to take it into really rocky terrain, 246 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 9: you might actually want to let some air out of 247 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 9: your tires. You wouldn't do this on a normal vehicle, 248 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 9: but they do exist for that purpose. 249 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, all I could find researching was a rapid 250 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: flow tire deflator with a gauge for off road air down, 251 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: an off road air down kit. Okay, did not know 252 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: that until I began researching the John Paul Miller case. 253 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: Tell me, Sidney Sumner, does John Paul Miller have an 254 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: ATV or an off road vehicle? 255 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 9: Not that I know of. 256 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Nancy Jennifer Wood does he that we know of? 257 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 5: I mean, he has plenty of vehicles, access to plenty 258 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 5: of vehicles, including a truck, but nothing specifically for off 259 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 5: roading that I am aware of. 260 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Sue corn Bluth joining us, and boy do I 261 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: need a shrink. She is a doctor of clinical psychology, 262 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: a relationship expert, owner of Doctor Sue and You, and 263 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: author of Building Self Esteem and Children who Are Adopted 264 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: It goes on. You can find her at doctor Sue 265 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: and You dot com. Doctor Sue, thank you for being 266 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: with us. Can this guy, pardon the pun, just charm 267 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: the pants off at anybody? 268 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 10: Oh and Nancy, you got it one hundred percent? 269 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: Look what I'm. 270 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 10: Saying here is I'm listening to all of this and 271 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 10: feeling disgusted in so that he is an ankle monitor 272 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 10: and probably should be mine. 273 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: Bars. This is all about him. 274 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 11: You know. 275 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 10: The one thing that I do, Nancy, is I look 276 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 10: right in the eyes, and what I see in his 277 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 10: eyes is emptiness. And to me, that's a sign of 278 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 10: a pure sociopath. And I don't understand what the judge 279 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 10: was thinking by letting him out, and that is scary 280 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 10: to me and the population. 281 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: Well you know what, guys, you're seeing video from Solid 282 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: Rock Ministries. He didn't just con I think the judge. 283 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: He didn't just con Micah. He managed to somehow con 284 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 1: a whole congregation. Hey, doctor Sue, did you ever see 285 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: that magicious trick where a magician may like a whole 286 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: bridge disappear. It was David Copperfield, That's who it was. 287 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: And my son is a boy's like nine believe that 288 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: David Copperfield made the whole bridge disappear and insisted this 289 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: is what he wanted for us to fly him and 290 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: his twin sister to Vegas to see Copperfield. And we did, 291 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: and it was a great show, by the way, but 292 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: there is no way in ag Double Hill that he 293 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: made a bridge disappear, but everybody believed him because they 294 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: wanted to believe it. They wanted to see the bridge disappear. 295 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: What is that? There's got to be some psychological term 296 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: for that. Where a whole group of people believe the 297 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: same thing, the same wacky thing. 298 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of much a dissonance. 299 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 10: I mean, they want to believe that this person is 300 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 10: true because they want to believe in something that gives 301 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 10: them a sense of belonging and a sense of purpose. 302 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 10: And so they followed him because that need them feel 303 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 10: good about themselves. 304 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: And even if they. 305 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 10: Had questions about him, or they had thoughts about him 306 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 10: that were not pure, he was giving them something that 307 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 10: was making them feel powerful. I mean, isn't that what 308 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 10: a lot of pastors do, That they're in these positions 309 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 10: and they want to make other people believe in what 310 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 10: they're saying to them. 311 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: It's oftentimes like a cult la following. 312 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 10: I'm not saying it's every pastor, but in this particular case, 313 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 10: that's what I believe it is. He's in a position 314 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 10: of power and control and he uses it to the 315 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 10: nth degree to have coercive control over who is listening 316 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 10: to him. 317 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let's take a look at 318 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: the Reverend John Paul Miller, who is innocent until proven 319 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: guilty as he snake charms his congregation. 320 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 11: Speaking her many years and for the first time, I 321 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 11: don't really know exactly you know how to open or 322 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 11: how to clocks, or any of that about Micah that 323 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 11: you may have it made, I don't know. I can't 324 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 11: wait to see her again one day. 325 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 2: I'm good. 326 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 11: I'm good as the worship leader. And she was bold 327 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 11: and confident and anointed and passionate. She was all big 328 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 11: enough tattoos and I cannot stand tattoos because they hurt, 329 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 11: and I don't like pain, and and I want to 330 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 11: read one of the more recent poems she wrote, and 331 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 11: that's nothing. She was so creative, she just it was 332 00:21:43,840 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 11: just always just coming out of her. Imagine being married 333 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 11: to that. 334 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 4: It was like that at her household the time. 335 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: From Solid Rock Ministries the. 336 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 4: Grand Jury charges From November sixteenth, twenty twenty two, until 337 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 4: Micah's death on April twenty seventh, twenty twenty four, five 338 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 4: hundred and twenty eight days, Miller harassed Micah Count one 339 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: claims Miller threatened to use nude videos and photos of 340 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 4: Micah to harass, posted a nude photo of Micah online 341 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 4: without her consent, placed tracking devices on vehicles used by Micah, 342 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 4: placed Micah under surveillance with intent to kill, injure, harass, 343 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 4: or intimidate, damaged Micah's vehicle, and interfered with Micah's finances. 344 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 4: He also interfered with Micah's daily activities. 345 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 12: John Paul Miller sent or cause to be sent unwanted 346 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 12: and harassing electronic communications to her, used or threatened to 347 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 12: use nude videos and photographs of her, posted a nude 348 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 12: photo of her online without her consent, placed or caused 349 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 12: to be placed a tracking device on her vehicle with 350 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 12: the entire to harass and surveil her. And he interviewed 351 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 12: with her finances, banking, and interfered with her daily activities. 352 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: There's another felon account, but let's address count one. Jennifer Wood, 353 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: joining US journalist director of research fitsnews dot com on 354 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: the case from the beginning. Jennifer Wood again, thank you 355 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: for being with us tonight. Explain to me how the 356 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: naked photo of Micah Miller ended up on the internet. 357 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 5: He was using them as leverage and posting them on 358 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 5: a Facebook you know, he is known to use fake accounts, 359 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 5: and just a continuation of the ongoing harassment that she faced. 360 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure this out. So Sidney Summer 361 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: joining US crimes towards investigative reporter Sidney he posted naked 362 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: photos of his own wife and retaliation. 363 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 9: For what It's unclear what this was in reality four 364 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 9: but he apologized and told her he was just trying 365 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 9: to hurt her. And this photo was posted to a 366 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 9: Facebook group called Big Boobs and Nice Curves. When Mica 367 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 9: tried to do something about it, it was posted anonymously 368 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 9: and police said there was nothing they could do. But 369 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 9: John Paul Miller told her, I'm sorry for doing this. 370 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 9: I just wanted to hurt you. It was evil of 371 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 9: me to do that. 372 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Regina Ward does complete bs on John Paul Miller's 373 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: part and of local authorities. I'm just putting it out there. 374 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: Everyone knows about IP addresses Internet provider addresses. We can 375 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: track terrorists far far away and the stands Afghanistan and 376 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: all the stands on the other side of the world. 377 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: So their IP address. That's why They're always creating new 378 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: email accounts to send surreptitious missives. You have to go 379 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: to internet cafes, you have to go to wherever the 380 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: email's coming from to find them. By them, they've already 381 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: shut down there and gone somewhere else. But that's easily tracked. 382 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: That sending of her naked body photo would be easily tracked. 383 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: Why did local authorities say, oh, well, it was sent anonymously. 384 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: There is no such thing. If I can track a 385 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: terror group hiding out somewhere in Egypt or up in 386 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: the hills in Pakistan, I can catch John Paul Miller 387 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: hunched over his computer in his basement. 388 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: Please, that's right. But we have a big problem here 389 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: in state of South Carolina. 390 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 6: We do not have and I'm not sure, but I 391 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 6: think I sawstitute or saw where South. 392 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: Carolina is the only state in the US that does 393 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: not have. 394 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 6: I hate calling it. This is what people refer to 395 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 6: it as revenge porn. Obviously that's not what it is, 396 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 6: but that's what it's called in the state of South Carolina. 397 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 6: The way the law works here is it's if the 398 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 6: recipient is you know, is offended by the receipt of it, 399 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 6: but if you send the photo to someone, then it 400 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 6: becomes their property and he can upload that. So as 401 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 6: far as finding out where it came from, that would 402 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 6: require getting into his computer. 403 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 2: That would require a warrant. 404 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 6: But we didn't have a law here in South Carolina 405 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 6: against that about that, submit about sending that. 406 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: So you're you're you're correct. 407 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: People, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Regina, 408 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: didn't you have cyber stalking cyber stocking law. 409 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 6: There is a cyberstalking law, yes, but whenever it comes to. 410 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: Nude photos and things like that. 411 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 6: The way the law works here, and I'm sorry, don't 412 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 6: have it in front of me right now, because I 413 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 6: looked into this in the beginning, and that is the 414 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 6: law in South Carolina says that if the recipient of 415 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 6: a photograph like that is offended by it, then that's 416 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 6: a form of harassment. But if you send a photo 417 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 6: and give to someone, then it becomes theirs to do 418 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 6: what they want to with and that I think. I'm 419 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 6: pretty sure that South Carolina is the only state in 420 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 6: the US that does not have a law specifically to 421 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 6: the dissemination of it. 422 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: I find that really hard to believe that you take 423 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: a naked photo of someone and you post it to 424 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: a Facebook group and yet you've done nothing wrong in 425 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: South Carolina. And I mean, it's pretty obvious to me 426 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: that she could tell l E law enforcement who took 427 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: the photo and who has control over the photo if 428 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: she's complaining to the police about it. Obviously she didn't 429 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: send it, so who else had power and control over 430 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: the photo? Him? John Paul Miller. So explain to me, 431 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: Jennifer would journalist director research fitsnews dot com. Jennifer, what 432 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: is your understanding of why local authorities sat on their 433 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: thumbs and did nothing? And the Feds, who we begged 434 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: for weeks and weeks and weeks please step in and 435 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: they did. Why didn't local do anything? 436 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 5: Looking at the numerous reports that Micah filed in the 437 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 5: month's leading up to her death, they didn't do anything 438 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 5: on any of the allegations that she was making. I mean, 439 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 5: she called and reported that the tired deflation device had 440 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 5: been on a car. They found tracking devices on their car, 441 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 5: and other than telling him to knock it off, that 442 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 5: is as far as it went. 443 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: Wow. Two. Doctor Thomas Coyne joining me. You know him well, 444 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: he's the chief Medical Examiner district to Medical Examiner's office 445 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: in the state of Florida. Forensic pathologist, toxicologist, and neuropathologist. 446 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: On Twitter x you can find him at doctor T. 447 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: M Coin. Doctor Coin, thank you for being with us. 448 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: You have reviewed all of the findings, and I want 449 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: to make sure that you not just the local law 450 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: enforcement who completely botched this case, that you believe Michael 451 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: Miller committed suicide. I just want to make sure that you, 452 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: an independent and impartial medical examiner with a pristine reputation, 453 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: you agree she committed suicide. 454 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 13: I do based upline everything I've read and the autopsy report. 455 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 13: You know, we're we're good as we're as good as 456 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 13: the evidence that we are provided. So in this particular case, 457 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 13: just reviewing her her report, I see she was transported 458 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 13: to one of the regional medical Examiner's offices, where I 459 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 13: assume she was examined by a forensic pathologist. But her 460 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 13: external examination clearly shows a content type gunshot entrance wound 461 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 13: on the right side of her head, and there was 462 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 13: an exit wound on the left side of the head. 463 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 13: The fractures that were present on her skull, the bruising 464 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 13: around her eyes is all consistent with a gunshot wound 465 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 13: that occurred just before death. The external examination also showed 466 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 13: no additional trauma to her body, no evidence of strangulation 467 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 13: or that she was beaten anywhere, or even any defensive 468 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 13: wounds on her body. The only injury that they described 469 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 13: is the one that occurred before death, which is a 470 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 13: gunshot wound, and some minor post mortem injuries that occurred 471 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 13: from her being in the water. So at that point 472 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 13: you have the cause of death. We know the cause 473 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 13: of death, which is gunshot wound of the head consistent 474 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 13: with a contact type. Then the question becomes what is 475 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 13: the matter. Is it a suicide or a homicide? And 476 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 13: you take in all of the additional information that comes 477 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 13: from law enforcement, and we're only as good as that information. 478 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 13: So in this particular case, we know that she made 479 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 13: that nine to one call, we know that she purchased 480 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 13: the gun. There's nothing on sen to suggest as someone 481 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 13: else was there with her or may have actually pulled 482 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 13: that trigger. So all the preponderance of the evidence here 483 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 13: indicatese that this is a gunshot wan of the head, 484 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 13: cause a death, manner of death suicide. 485 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: To Regina Ward, the lawyer for Michael Miller's family. Many 486 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: people did not believe that she had committed suicide. There 487 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: is video of her in the gun shop buying the gun. 488 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: If it had not been for this video, Regina, I 489 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: might not have believed it myself. But the video shows 490 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: her buying the gun, and the gun shop owner has 491 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: copious records of what gun was purchased. And it was 492 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: the gun that was the weapon, the killing weapon that 493 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: convinced me. What does the family think. 494 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: Well, her father said that she was concerned and feared 495 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,239 Speaker 2: for her life with regard to John Paul Miller, and 496 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: that she purchased that gun for actually self direction. 497 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 6: So that's what the family understood was happening. That's what 498 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 6: That's what the father said. Well, he was told prior 499 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 6: to her buying that gun. 500 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: And if I may name so, I just want to 501 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: go back to that the photo dissemination. 502 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 6: We were the last state in the US to pass 503 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 6: the Laway just passed May the twelfth, the twenty twenty 504 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 6: five that the dissemination of intimate photos without consent is 505 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 6: finally now illegal in the state of South Carolina. 506 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, that was after Micau's passing. 507 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you brought that up. It may have 508 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: been after after MICA's passing, but I believe you said 509 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: May twenty five. Let me check, but I'm pretty sure 510 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: it's nearly February of twenty six. But even though that 511 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: passed in South Carolina, the local authorities did nothing. That's 512 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: a yes no, isn't that true? 513 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 2: Correct? 514 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 6: And that's been a problem the whole time, is no action. 515 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 6: But I've said before what's been difficult in the state 516 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 6: of South Carolina is we don't have a law on 517 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 6: the books for the police to look to to put 518 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 6: all of these different types of things together in terms 519 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 6: of course of control abuse, and so the law is 520 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 6: very much neg so the police can have something to 521 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 6: look to and go say, hey, you know, she's called 522 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 6: us here. You know twenty times she's showing us information 523 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 6: that he is constantly calling her over and over. The 524 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 6: police even asked him to stop talking or contacting her, 525 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 6: and he did it anyway. So definitely should have been 526 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 6: something done. But even on a bigger scale, it should 527 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 6: have been done. But the police did not have the 528 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 6: law for course of control to look to to be 529 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 6: able to arrest him for all of these things, and 530 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 6: the totality of all of the things and the terrible 531 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 6: things that this man did to this woman. 532 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: The fans bring down the hammer on Pastor John Paul 533 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: Miller in connection with his wife Micah Miller and her 534 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: bodies house submerged in a body of water. Many debute. 535 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: Still a says Micah Miller was murdered. 536 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 11: She was so creative. Everything she did was so creative. 537 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 11: Was the next. 538 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: That from our friends at Solid Rock Ministries. Now we 539 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: understand count one. There are several counts, and the Pastor 540 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: John Paul Miller has walked free. To Jennifer Wood, there 541 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: are two counts. 542 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 5: Two counts currently. But I did note that in the 543 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 5: press conference following the hearing his arraignment that the US 544 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 5: Attorney Brian Sterling, who attended this hearing in person, said 545 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 5: that the investigation was ongoing. So that I found that 546 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 5: very interesting. 547 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: Interesting ongoing. Jennifer Wood, what could that possibly mean? 548 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 5: It's a good question. I mean, inside the hearing, there 549 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 5: were so many agents like it was it was unreal 550 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 5: how many federal agents came to that hearing, along with 551 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 5: the US Attorney himself. So my I mean, if you're 552 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 5: reading the tea leaves, I would have to say that 553 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 5: they are not done with their investigation. 554 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: Wow, I wonder where this could head. You know what 555 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: it may be. We know that there have been cases 556 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: that have been tried and one where someone is accused 557 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: of driving someone to suicide. And it's not just one 558 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: or two cases. There are multiple cases like that. Speaking 559 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: of other cases, regarding the penalty on these two counts, listen. 560 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 12: If he has found guilty for cyberstalking, could be five years, 561 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 12: it could be between nine and ten years, depending on 562 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 12: the charges that the jury decides that he's guilty of. 563 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 12: And then with the lying to the police, that's also 564 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 12: an another five years, possibly even eight years that he 565 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 12: had received behind bars, So he could get almost twenty 566 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 12: years behind bars. He'd get a huge fine, and he 567 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 12: could have to be on probation for many years. 568 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: Sad's do what state authorities would not do. They bring 569 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: down the hammer on the so called pastor John Paul 570 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: Miller after the Swamp Deaf shooting of his wife, Micah Miller, 571 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: who he allegedly harassed straight into a gunshop. She's on 572 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: number one plane. I'm a gout challis. His wife is 573 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: dead and he referred to that as still dealing with 574 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: Micah now there are claims that Michah Miller's pastor husband 575 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: sex assault that a fifteen year old girl calling his 576 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: church a sex playground. According to the lawsuit again tonight, 577 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: John Paul Miller is presumed innocent until proven guilty in 578 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: a court of law. He pled not guilty and now 579 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: it's time for a trial. Straight out to Jennifer Wood 580 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: joining us from fitnews dot com, what can you tell 581 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: me about this civil lawsuit claiming that John Paul Miller 582 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 1: used the church as a sexual playground. 583 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 5: So there's actually two civil lawsuits against John Paul Miller 584 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 5: out of Ory County filed by Jane Doe one in 585 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 5: Jane Doe two. Both of those are accusing John Paul 586 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 5: Miller of sexual assault when they were underage. The allegations 587 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 5: in these lawsuits are absolutely horrific. These women are traumatized 588 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 5: and it's hard. I mean, I know, these lawsuits are difficult, 589 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 5: and John Paul Miller certainly isn't making it easier. He 590 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 5: has filed counterclaims against both of these women for defamation. 591 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 5: So you know, these ongoing lawsuits are I mean just sad. 592 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: Well, guys, this video from sod Right Ministries. According to 593 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: court documents. The lawsuits allege Miller lured the girl fifteen, 594 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: into his father's office before forcing her into a truck 595 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: where he assaulted her. It claimbs Miller attempted to justify 596 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: his actions using a Bible verse quote, no man is 597 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: without sin and temptation. God understands that. I'm not so 598 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: sure that that's true, Doctor Sue Cornblooth, joining us he 599 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: actually dragged christ into this, according to the lawsuit. 600 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 2: I believe it. 601 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 10: I mean, I think everything that we've been talking about here, 602 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 10: that he lives in a world that. 603 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 2: Is not reality based. 604 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 10: He is filled with power inside himself that is fake, 605 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 10: and that he uses it to coerce people into doing 606 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 10: things that he wants to do. It's within his manipulative nature. 607 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: To Jennifer Wood in this civil lawsuit, there are several 608 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: I think two women joining together with similar claims. 609 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 5: Yes, two, and I mean, honestly, I've spoken to more 610 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 5: victims who have not come forward formally yet with similar 611 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 5: allegations and heart it's heartbreaking what they've gone through. 612 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Thomas Coin, here's a problem, uh Thomas Coin, Chief 613 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner District to med Office in State of Florida. 614 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Coin, there's no physical proof at this juncture regarding 615 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: the rape allegations, because a lot of time has passed. 616 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: You would have to do a rape kit at the 617 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: time of the incident, correct, What would that entail? 618 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 13: Sure? So they would have had to have examined I'm 619 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 13: assuming they did examine her for sexual assault at the 620 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 13: time of the external examination, so that it would have 621 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 13: been looking into the vaginal vault, looking to see if 622 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 13: there was any trauma or the president of any seminal fluid. 623 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 13: And at that time they could have sampled for seminal 624 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 13: fluid or any other body of fluids if it was 625 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 13: present within her, and that would have been able to 626 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 13: be accomplished without having to perform a full autopsy, So 627 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 13: they could have done that upon their external examination. 628 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: One thing, though we've got Sidney Sumner is strengthen numbers, 629 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: because if there are two women now joining together in 630 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: that civil lawsuit, and Jennifer Wood says that she has 631 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: spoken to other alleged victims, I think I'm starting to 632 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: understand why there were federal agents blanketing that courtroom when 633 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 1: he entered the not guilty play and walked free. 634 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 9: Sydney Yes, Nancy, and the allegations in that second lawsuit 635 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 9: coming from Jane Doe Number two are horrific. She claims 636 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 9: that while attending a school operated by John Paul Miller 637 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 9: and his father, reginald Wayne Miller, John Paul came on 638 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 9: to her multiple times at just fourteen years old, and 639 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 9: when she tried to tell someone about what was going 640 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 9: on who was Miller's father, She told her to repeat 641 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 9: her accusation in front of John Paul Miller and then 642 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 9: punished her, told her she was lying, and forced her 643 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 9: to write the words I will not lie about John 644 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 9: Paul Miller five thousand times, and her remaining time at 645 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 9: the school was filled with bullying, an assault for coming 646 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 9: forward about a responsible adult, her teacher coming on to her. 647 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: You know what do I dare ask the FEDS to 648 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: continue their investigation? You know I think I will. Our 649 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: plate tonight is please continue your investment mitigation. I accept 650 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: that Micah committed suicide. I do not accept that he 651 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,439 Speaker 1: can walk free on all of these allegations. Again, John 652 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: Paul Miller is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a 653 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: court of law. That's our constitution and I uphold it. 654 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: But I can have a belief that's constitutional too. Tonight 655 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: we remember an American hero. Detactive to Jason rivera New 656 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: York CITYPD shot in the line of duty after one 657 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: year on the fourth, leaving behind his young widow. American 658 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: Hero Detective Jason rivera Nancy Gray signing off INT