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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Mclovin touched on this about Chris Mortenson. Mord

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Speaker 1: had a report, I'll give you the tweet here, would

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Speaker 1: not report the Eagles have internal unanimity on Hurts QB one,

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Speaker 1: but sources say the boss, Jeffrey Lurry, has instructed his

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Speaker 1: group to prioritize making Hurts successful in twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: as opposed to creating true competition. And then here's one reporter,

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Speaker 1: Les Bowen, who covers the Eagles. If the Eagles really

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Speaker 1: are sure about Jalen Hurts going forward, that's a conclusion

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Speaker 1: they have come to very very very recently. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's produced any new tape to evaluate. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: the approach I would have. I haven't seen enough of

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts where I go, here's the keys to the car,

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Speaker 1: and it's an expensive car. I'm not doing that. I

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Speaker 1: want to see a little bit more with Jalen hurt Man.

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Speaker 1: We have this rush to judgment in the case in

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Speaker 1: point and I'll get to Tim Callishaw, but you know

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Speaker 1: we had this. We did this with DeShawn Watson, and

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Speaker 1: I think we're doing it with justin Fields a little

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Speaker 1: bit where we've seen a lot, but that's we've seen

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Speaker 1: too much. Therefore, gosh, I gotta get somebody we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen that much of. You know, I'm starting to like

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson a whole lot more. Okay, I think we're overthinking.

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Speaker 1: We overthought Deshaun Watson. I think we're overthinking justin Fields.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, Mitchell Trubisky. You know this guy. Nobody

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Speaker 1: knows about Daniel Jones. Nobody knows. I'd like to know

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more about my quarterback, Let's put it

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Speaker 1: that way. Not I don't know this guy. It's like

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Speaker 1: the less we find out, the more valuable they are.

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Speaker 1: That's not the case with this guy. The more we

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Speaker 1: find out about him, the more valuable he is. He's

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Speaker 1: Tim Callishawn down, this morning news columnist and star of ESPN,

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Speaker 1: ends around the horn. If I talked to you yesterday, yes,

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Speaker 1: what would you have said about what the Cowboys were

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Speaker 1: going to do with Dak Prescott. I gave it in

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Speaker 1: the morning a ten percent chance they would do anything

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Speaker 1: other than just franchise in today, So I was I

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Speaker 1: was off by ninety percent. I suppose on where this

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Speaker 1: They were they were a little higher than that. They

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Speaker 1: thought this was going to get done. Was yesterday a

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Speaker 1: good day for the Cowboys? That should be an easier

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Speaker 1: question to answer. Yes, I'm gonna say yes, But it's

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Speaker 1: not a great day for the Cowboys. It's a great

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Speaker 1: day for number four. Yea, it's a real good day

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Speaker 1: for him. You know. I just think there's realistic concerns.

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Speaker 1: These numbers are real. The teams are not winning or

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Speaker 1: going into super Bowls with quarter backs making thirty five

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Speaker 1: but even if you took out the ones he's won recently,

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that would have won the game would have

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Speaker 1: Mahomes again. And so it's the guys. It just gets

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Speaker 1: really hard to build a roster. It's not impossible, but

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Speaker 1: cap figure for DAK this year. That that's good, that's

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Speaker 1: They know that. So again they're they're kind of doing

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Speaker 1: he's going to be if he's a successful quarterback, he's

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Speaker 1: got to do something at that point. That's nine years.

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Speaker 1: So I would they have a chance, But I would

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Speaker 1: predict no. Is Dak Prescott a great quarterback. He's a

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Speaker 1: is he likely to suddenly get better? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't proven greatness yet. If you could get one

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Speaker 1: going to set the market. Great, great, we'll just have

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Speaker 1: secretly rooting for Russell Wilson to come to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I didn't spend more than despite you're intrepid reporting, which

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Speaker 1: you got this whole thing started. I didn't really spend

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Speaker 1: could have. Yeah, that's that's good. That's smart on your part. Uh, Tim,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, has always, and we'll look forward

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Speaker 1: to your next appearance on Around the Horn. That's today

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Speaker 1: today's dack Dale. Oh so if I can't win today? Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean what am I? What am I doing here? Wow?

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Speaker 1: You're right about that? Uh, well we'll be We'll be

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Speaker 1: rooting for you, Tim as always. What's a good FaceTime?

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Speaker 1: I wonder I haven't even thought of that. My gosh,

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Speaker 1: Oh you're already thinking about winning. Not thank you, Tim, Tim, callishaw.

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Speaker 1: He's calling his shot and you know Tony realis watching

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Speaker 1: right now, going, Oh, Callishaw calling his shot on the

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Speaker 1: almost doubled, uh, you know uh in championships because I

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Speaker 1: had three and three runner ups, and I would like

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Speaker 1: the Gary player who says, you know, I won the

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Speaker 1: Masters five times and I was runner und five times.

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Speaker 1: You had to include that, Like that's pretty important when

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Speaker 1: you come in second, but most important if you validate,

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Speaker 1: you know, your presence in your career by by getting

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Speaker 1: over the hump. And that's why it was such a

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Speaker 1: challenge for me. You know, from nineteen seventy one to

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, you know, with all the accolades in

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Speaker 1: the in the in the ABA, it was important to

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Speaker 1: be MVP in the NBA and eighty one and then

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Speaker 1: Champion and in the NBA in eighty three because you know,

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Speaker 1: there are some people on the other side of the

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Speaker 1: tracks who only look at that side of we're talking

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Speaker 1: to Doctor J the Hall of Famer. Coolest thing in

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Speaker 1: your office is what coolest thing in oss? I got

441
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Speaker 1: some stuff in here, you know what I mean. I

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Speaker 1: got an Emmy for the Doctor a documentary. I got

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Speaker 1: a nice uh l leak statue of a golfer, which is,

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Speaker 1: you know, my one of my passions and my favorite

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Speaker 1: pastime of these days. And once I get my shoulder healed,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get back out of the course.

447
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: I have a have a trophy in my office that

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Speaker 1: looks like a Heisman trophy and it was given to

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Speaker 1: me by the Dallas Mavericks the last time I played

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Speaker 1: in Dallas, because I was in the game that welcomed

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Speaker 1: them to the NBA. And upon my retirement, they created this, uh,

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Speaker 1: this trophy and it's really cool. Well, you certainly got

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Speaker 1: enough awards there. Did you keep everything? Do you have

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Speaker 1: all your your No? No, I didn't keep everything. I

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00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: think Bill Russell is the only guy has kept everything,

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Speaker 1: because I've been to his house a number of times

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Speaker 1: and you know it's got all eleven championship rings years

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Speaker 1: does he show those offso doctors? He is in a

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Speaker 1: trophy case. You got to walk by it if you

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Speaker 1: walk into the house. So that's probably the best collection

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Speaker 1: that I've seen of a former player. For me, I

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Speaker 1: actually had an auction maybe about five years ago. So

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Speaker 1: I think the wonderful home that I'm living in right

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Speaker 1: now is a testimony to parting company. Parting company with

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Speaker 1: the stuff. It's great to talk to you, and I

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Speaker 1: hope you're doing well. You look good. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you know the golf game is going to be

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Speaker 1: when you come back, Yeah, as yours. I took a

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Speaker 1: seven year hiatus from the game. Yeah my body. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had some some problems health wise, and uh, I

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Speaker 1: love it, but I had to step away for seven years. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it was prior to seven years. We go

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Speaker 1: on the golf course together. Well, that was wors to

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Speaker 1: see back out there. That was like ninety nineteen, ninety five,

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, No, that was in Utah ninety seven, maybe

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Speaker 1: already exact year. You know. You so you have a

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Speaker 1: lot of people around you. They don't know anything, Doc,

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Speaker 1: you heard about today. Yeah, all I know is I

479
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: dunked on you. I mean, that's right. That's all I know,

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Speaker 1: is I dunked on you. It came up, It came up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know that. That's kind of like the legend in

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Speaker 1: your own mind comment. Yeah, I mean I'm not lying

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Speaker 1: when I say I dunked on doctor ja Am. I. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not the only doctor ja out there. You you

485
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Speaker 1: were the only doctor j on that slab of concrete

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Speaker 1: that day. We lowered the basket to eight feet and

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Speaker 1: I just said to Doc, would you stand underneath the basket?

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Speaker 1: And he's like yeah, And I took off to dunk

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Speaker 1: on him and I said, Hi, I'm good. I just

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00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: dunked on doctor. Doc didn't even know what I was

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Speaker 1: doing at the time, so I apologized. It's great to

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Speaker 1: talk to you, as always talk and thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. Pleasure. Hey, you got a great show.

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Speaker 1: Keep it going. Thank you, buddy. That's uh, Doctor J.

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Speaker 1: Doctor J looks good man. I've been in a little

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Speaker 1: while since he dunked. Yeah, pretty good golfer too. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

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Speaker 1: to catch us live every weekday morning nine until noon

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Speaker 1: Eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and

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Speaker 1: the Great Analyst for the Mother's Ship. NFL Live continues

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Speaker 1: daily throughout the entire offseason for Eastern on ESPN. Catch

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Speaker 1: Dan with Adam Schefter, Marcus Spears, Mina Kimes, Laura Rutledge

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Speaker 1: four pm Eastern daily on ESPN. Dan, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Did the Cowboys have a great day yesterday? Huh? The

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Speaker 1: Cowboys did not. Dak Prescott did, Dak Prescott, Dak Prescott's

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Speaker 1: family did. But this is a big time swinging miss

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. I think that they took a calculated risk.

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Speaker 1: You know, they tried to be patient and patient and

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Speaker 1: patient and didn't want to do something like the Rams

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Speaker 1: and the Eagles did. But man, that is a ton

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Speaker 1: of money to give Dak Prescott. What should the expectation

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Speaker 1: level be for Cowboy fans this year? Oh, this year

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Speaker 1: at least you're talking second round to the playoffs, sniff

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Speaker 1: in your NFC championship game, you know, like here's here's

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Speaker 1: this is what my comment is with this, and it's

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Speaker 1: the old saying too much as given, much as expected.

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Speaker 1: This is why I was very cautious of giving Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott a ton of money or second most quarterback money.

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Speaker 1: It's going to impact your football team. And we can't

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Speaker 1: now sit here and say, well, he's really good, but

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Speaker 1: the expectations stay the same. The expectations have to be elevated,

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Speaker 1: not only individually. Hey, when our left tackles out, we

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Speaker 1: still have to win the game on the road against

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Speaker 1: the New York Jets because they stink. Or when we

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Speaker 1: don't have Amari Cooper, we still got to play good

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Speaker 1: at the position because you're supposed to be in a

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Speaker 1: difference maker when it comes to the finances. It's a

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Speaker 1: bad division. I still have to wait to see what

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Speaker 1: happens in Washington at the quarterback spot. If they got

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that I thought was a good player. A

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Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick. I think that I would favor them to

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Speaker 1: win the division because I think Dallas still has issues defensively,

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Speaker 1: offensive line wise, and overpaid at tailback. Other than that,

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Speaker 1: and good luck, good luck trying to fix those over

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Speaker 1: the next four years. That's my point with all of

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Speaker 1: this is, I don't like Zeke's contract. The offensive line

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Speaker 1: is not what it once was, and you got guys

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Speaker 1: got paid up there. The defense is one of the

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Speaker 1: most overrated units in football right now. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: about Mike McCarthy. I mean, and Jerry's not you know,

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Speaker 1: Jerry's what seventy nine years of age. Dan like there's

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Speaker 1: no rebuild. He thinks he reloads here. But I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: People might put the Giants ahead of the Cowboys going

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Speaker 1: into the next season. I would if but here's my thing.

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Speaker 1: I need to know where sa Kuon's health is. I

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Speaker 1: said this five minutes ago. If you gave me Ryan

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick with Washington, and they gave me and you gave

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Speaker 1: me an offensive lineman that was a quality offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: there and a receiver outside of McLaurin, I'll take Washington.

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Speaker 1: If you told me that Saquon Barkley was completely healthy,

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Speaker 1: that Leonard Williams is going to get franchise tagged in

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Speaker 1: New York and you've got a receiver to replace Golden take.

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Speaker 1: I take New York over them because I think that

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Speaker 1: they're a better run football organization. I believe in Martin

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Speaker 1: Mayhew in Washington. I think that they're better coached football teams,

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Speaker 1: and they're a healthier team won the fifty three. The

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Speaker 1: roster over doesn't have the stars potentially, but it's healthier Dan.

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Speaker 1: Last year with Dak healthy, they were two and three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were two and three, and in the first half

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Speaker 1: of those games dactor from four touchdowns and had four turnovers.

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Speaker 1: Then everything hit the fan. But like it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: they were playing awesome football when he was healthy. They

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Speaker 1: were just so down so much that the stats got padded.

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Speaker 1: He did for a thousand yards last year, down for

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Speaker 1: two when they were down by more than two scores.

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Speaker 1: So I get it. It's a day of celebration for

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, but don't kid yourselves thinking that this is

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Speaker 1: the difference between mediocrity of twenty years and now being

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl legit contender. The other thing that it

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Speaker 1: hasn't been factored in. I don't think nationally by the

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Speaker 1: media is dak Is coming off a broken ankle. He

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Speaker 1: didn't lose anything at the bargaining table. Dan, if you

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Speaker 1: came off knee surgery or you came off a broken ankle,

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Speaker 1: I'd feel more confident you coming off knee surgery than

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Speaker 1: a broken ankle. I don't know if you ever had

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Speaker 1: a broken ankle, but at that position, and I do

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Speaker 1: ask him to run a little bit here, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel like that's being played up enough. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I broke my ankle last the last game of my

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Speaker 1: twenty eleven year on the road against Jacksonville, and it

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Speaker 1: lingered for the rest of my career. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: as severe as Dax. Now he's a significantly better athlete

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Speaker 1: all that stuff and play ease. I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: to realize though, too. No off season last year and

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Speaker 1: people can tell me it didn't hurt. Go watch the games.

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Speaker 1: They were very average to below average offensively in the

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Speaker 1: first half. Then it became a complete throw it everywhere

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Speaker 1: against prevent defense. No off season last year, this year,

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Speaker 1: no off season again, and you're you're gonna have You're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to do it in the midst of rehab. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have pieces on your football because there's still

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Speaker 1: three million dollars over the cap. So who's going to

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Speaker 1: take the hit. Someone is gonna have to get moved

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00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: or take a hit or something like that. You're gonna

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00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: have to develop some of your young players. And so

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Speaker 1: the fact that you're going into a second straight year

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Speaker 1: without an offseason with an injury, you don't know what

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Speaker 1: he's gonna look like in a game to you get

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Speaker 1: him in the preseason, and you're probably gonna be hesitant

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Speaker 1: to play him a ton. We're talking to Dan Orlovsky,

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Speaker 1: the ESPN NFL analyst a couple other things here. I

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Speaker 1: think you tweeted the silence is deafening with Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm paraphrasing here. What do you think is happening

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Speaker 1: or what do you expect to happen? Yeah, it reminds

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00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: me of the Cartson one situation in Philadelphia, like that

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Speaker 1: fired coach, new head coach, Nothing getting said. Russell hasn't

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Speaker 1: said anything. It's the easiest time ever to say something right,

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Speaker 1: and he's only throwing gasoline on the fire. I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of layers to this, Dan, I think

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Speaker 1: it starts with Russell Wilson wants out of Seattle right now.

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Speaker 1: I think Russell Wilson has a vision fifteen plus years

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Speaker 1: from now to be the Magic Johnson of the NFL,

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Speaker 1: the first guy to go from player to like big

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Speaker 1: time kind of brand, business type of guy. I think

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Speaker 1: he realizes that that that's not going to happen in

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Speaker 1: Seattle for him. I believe that he wants to go

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Speaker 1: to a bigger market. Nine years really good football, never

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Speaker 1: gotten an MVP vote, okay really, never really thoroughly been

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Speaker 1: into the conversation up until this season. I think he's

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Speaker 1: tired of playing for a defensive minded head coach. I

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Speaker 1: think he wants to be the focal point of a

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Speaker 1: football team, both you know, literally and schematically so to speak.

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Speaker 1: And I think that I think that there's a little

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00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: bit of the heat check, you know. I say this

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Speaker 1: all the time. Quarterbacks have egos and it's why they

628
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: become who they are. But I think he's going I

629
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: think I'm great and i think I'm powerful, and he's right.

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Speaker 1: Let me find out if Seattle sees it the same way.

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Speaker 1: Let's find out if Seattle views me the way same

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Speaker 1: way I view me, and I think Seattle starting to

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Speaker 1: warnt the idea. You know what, Russ, We're not going

634
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: to play your game. We're not going to let you

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Speaker 1: be bigger than us. That's why they sent out those

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Speaker 1: letters and he's not on it. Come on, come on,

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Speaker 1: I think Pete Carroll's going Nope, not gonna let you

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Speaker 1: play that way. Yeah. The letter they sent out to

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Speaker 1: season ticket holders talked about DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett,

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Speaker 1: and they somehow left out a future hold of Famer

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Speaker 1: in Russell Wilson exactly. Yeah, no message being sent there.

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Speaker 1: I think it comes down to ego. I think it's

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll versus Russell Wilson and you know, last man standing,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be Pete Carroll. But if one, you know,

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Speaker 1: now the Cowboys are off the list. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: Russ expands the list a little bit, Dan, because I

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Speaker 1: can't see the Bears offering anything that Seattle is going

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Speaker 1: to go, oh okay, you know, maybe the Raiders. You know,

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Speaker 1: I get Derek Carler and something, the Saints. I don't

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Speaker 1: see that happening. If I'm Russ, I really want out.

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Speaker 1: I think I got to expand my wish list here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to. I mean it would be silly not

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Speaker 1: to include in New York in Miami, right if you

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Speaker 1: really want it out because they you know, those are

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Speaker 1: two teams that have multiple first round picks in this

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Speaker 1: year and in next year's draft, with the Jets included

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Speaker 1: in that, so you'd obviously want to that. I think

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Speaker 1: Seattle has to ask themselves two major questions, do we

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Speaker 1: believe that we can win this way a super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Because they've got multiple experiences. They did it and won

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl when Russell was cheap, and then they

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Speaker 1: paid them and they haven't been able to replicate that.

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Speaker 1: So they might sit back and be like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we tried it this way, it did not work. We

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Speaker 1: actually want to go back to doing it in a

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Speaker 1: financially flexible way. And the second thing would be this,

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Speaker 1: how do they replace them? How do they replace it?

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Speaker 1: Because you can't just go what will trade you? You've

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Speaker 1: got to find either the player or the capitol to

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Speaker 1: go replace the quarterback position, whether it's a rookie or

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Speaker 1: something like that. I only would say this caveat with

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Speaker 1: the Chicago one. His brother lives in Chicago and his

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Speaker 1: brother works in Chicago, and they're desperate. We as human beings,

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Speaker 1: make stupid decisions when we're desperate, And you could take

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Speaker 1: Chicago and go listen, Matt Naggie and Ryan Pace. If

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Speaker 1: you don't get Russell, you're fired. You're more than likely

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Speaker 1: fired for next year. So give us your next three ones.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's something that Seattle would have to

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Speaker 1: find worthy for consideration. Why is it that we love

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Speaker 1: the unknown at the quarterbacking position that we did this

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Speaker 1: with Deshaun Watson where teams talk themselves out of Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson because they go, We've we've seen everything from him.

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Speaker 1: We like the unknown, like Mitchell Trubisky or Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: And it feels like we're doing that with Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 1: who was he had to beat out somebody to start

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Speaker 1: this past season, whereas Justin Fields has been there in

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Speaker 1: front of us, and it feels like we might be

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Speaker 1: treating him the way we did. Deshaun Watson. Explain this

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Speaker 1: logic to me when it comes to quarterbacks in the draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two things. When you go to the grocery store, there's

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Speaker 1: a reason why the candy bars are at the checkout Aisland.

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Speaker 1: They got shiny rappers because it catches our visions. That's

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Speaker 1: a legit thing, you know, like, and I feel like

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Speaker 1: we sometimes do that with quarterback shiny object. I gotta

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Speaker 1: get it, I gotta get it, I gotta get it.

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Speaker 1: It looks cool, And we've kind of fallen into that

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Speaker 1: trap in the NFL. While while we've seen the infusion

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Speaker 1: of athleticism at that quarterback spot come into the NFL,

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Speaker 1: we still scout the quarterback position backwards. We look at

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Speaker 1: defensive ends, wide receivers, offensive linemen, linebackers physically first, then

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Speaker 1: mentally because that's what's necessary. There's a certain requisite size, speed,

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Speaker 1: shape to play those positions. That's secondary for the quarterback spot.

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Speaker 1: The physical attributes for the quarterback will always be secondary.

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Speaker 1: You have to think fast, you have to play fast.

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Speaker 1: You have to have remarkable leadership, you have to have

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Speaker 1: incredible study habits, you have to have great vision, you

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Speaker 1: have to have the collect to handle all that information

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Speaker 1: and then be physically good. But just because you're physically good,

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Speaker 1: if you're mentally poor, it's going to catch up to you.

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Speaker 1: And I think that Zach Wilson's that guy that you see,

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Speaker 1: like physically so impressive. We've got to figure out where

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Speaker 1: he is intellectually. And I think that people are looking

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Speaker 1: at Justin Fields and going, well, your receiver was open

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Speaker 1: a lot that Ryan Day designed for you, And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: so what, Like that's the job of the coach to

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Speaker 1: get people open and then the job of the quarterback

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Speaker 1: is thrown to him. I've got multiple examples of Justin

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Speaker 1: fields going from the second to the third. You know,

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Speaker 1: pick or read when it comes to that stuff. But

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Patrick Mahomes has opened

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Speaker 1: our eyes to a different type of quarterback that we want,

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Speaker 1: that we crave, that we think we can get. Zach

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Speaker 1: Wilson looks a lot like them. Always great to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Thank you, Dan, I always learned something. You

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Speaker 1: can watch more of Dan Down the Morning with Greeney

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Speaker 1: on Get Up and also ESPN NFL Live. Thank you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: live on the Peacock apt Darren Ravelle, sports business reporter

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Speaker 1: for the Business of Sports Betting, Senior executive producer the

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Speaker 1: Action Network, and I want to have Darren on for

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Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. The digital world of sports collecting

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Speaker 1: with cards. Also a lot of these cards. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're finding out Mike Trout, rookie card, or Lebron or

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. They're going for over a million dollars NBA

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Speaker 1: Top Shot. There's a lot of questions here and that's

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Speaker 1: why we bring in Darren with the answers here. Let

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Speaker 1: me start with the NBA's Top Shot. So exactly what

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Speaker 1: it is? Is it? And how did it start to

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Speaker 1: explode into many, many millions of dollars for these these photos? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Dan, when you if you have a nineteen fifty

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Speaker 1: two Mickey Mantle, do you own the photo? I own

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Speaker 1: the card? Correct. Yeah, So that's the way to think

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Speaker 1: about it. You own, you own the one of those cards,

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Speaker 1: and you have the right to sell one of those cards.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing with Top Shot. You have a

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Speaker 1: highlight where there's forty nine that have been given out,

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Speaker 1: and you own one of forty nine, you have the

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Speaker 1: right to sell that one. You don't get dividends. If

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Speaker 1: it plays on Sports Center or someone runs it on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: you don't get any credit. You only own the right

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Speaker 1: for that one. And so, just like cards where there

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Speaker 1: are limited edition cards, there are a limited edition of

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Speaker 1: these highlights. You get them out of digital packs and

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Speaker 1: you have the right to sell them. Some of these

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Speaker 1: have sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now the

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Speaker 1: question is is this a real market or is this

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Speaker 1: a market that Listen, we're living in a world where

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Speaker 1: crypto is twenty four seven. You wake up, you lose

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Speaker 1: twelve thousand dollars a games. We're living in a world

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Speaker 1: where people pumped up game stop. You know a company

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Speaker 1: that has age old popcorn ingrained in their carpet and

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Speaker 1: made them a blue chip company. What is real? I

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Speaker 1: can't tell you what is real? But who gets the

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Speaker 1: video to allow you to get the snapshot? Who owns

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Speaker 1: the video of the NBA owns the video, The NBA

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Speaker 1: creates the content, and then top shot a company Dapper

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Speaker 1: Labs is the company that makes it, puts it in

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Speaker 1: the pack, the NBA owns the video, just like whoever

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Speaker 1: took the photo owns the video, owns the card. So

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Speaker 1: the NBA owns the video, there is no question about that.

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Speaker 1: But it is on the blockchain, so it is secure.

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Speaker 1: You own that particular right to sell and then you

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Speaker 1: can sell to someone else. And by the way, here's

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Speaker 1: an interesting point the NBA. Because it's on the blockchain

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Speaker 1: and it's secure, the NBA knows when you sell it

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Speaker 1: to somebody else, and when you sell it to somebody else,

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Speaker 1: they get a two and a half percent cut. So

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Speaker 1: anytime it's sold all the way down the line, they

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Speaker 1: get a cut, which makes digital collectibles, as long as

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Speaker 1: it stays healthy, more important than a physical collectible, because

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Speaker 1: once you sell a card, the league isn't getting a

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Speaker 1: cut of it anymore. I'm trying to think, what's the

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Speaker 1: most famous piece of video that would be in a

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Speaker 1: card in NBA history, Like what is available? You know,

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Speaker 1: Lebron's block on andre Iguodala in the NBA Finals is

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Speaker 1: pretty famous, or Kyrie or but that's the thing. That's

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Speaker 1: the thing, right, Like a card, you don't know what

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Speaker 1: game it's from. People have never like Michael Jordan his

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Speaker 1: eighty six Fleer Rookie that is lighting up the world.

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Speaker 1: That was from a random NETS game in nineteen eighty five,

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Speaker 1: So like, you know, this allows you to connect to

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Speaker 1: a highlight. And by the way, they haven't really opened

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Speaker 1: up the past, Like what would a nineteen eighty eight

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Speaker 1: Jordan dunk contest from the foul Line highlights sell for?

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Speaker 1: And are they even going to be able to sell them?

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Speaker 1: You would need Michael Jordan. Why do I need Jordan

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Speaker 1: if the NBA owns it? Because the NBA owned it

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Speaker 1: at the time, But but Jordan Jordan would have to

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Speaker 1: approve of it now because he's not part of the

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Speaker 1: players Association. Oh Okay explained to me the recent physical

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Speaker 1: card phenomenon, where like who's driving this that you know?

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Speaker 1: We know Mickey Mantel seems to come up every other

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Speaker 1: year or something, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Mike Trout to

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Rookie card. Who's behind all of this? I

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Speaker 1: think it's what's behind all this, Dan, I think it's

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Speaker 1: that in COVID, we're looking for nostalgia. We're looking to

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Speaker 1: reach back at times when things were normal. People are

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Speaker 1: going through and cleaning their closets, their parents are cleaning

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Speaker 1: their closets, They're finding things, and finally, finally, this is

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00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: the key. We need some excitement in our lives. We

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Speaker 1: need some dopamine to be rushing through our brains and body.

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Speaker 1: Go try out an eBay auction. See when you win

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Speaker 1: an eBay auction, it's an immediate rush. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's not only about the card, it's

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Speaker 1: about the feeling it generates when you win an auction,

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Speaker 1: and so it becomes addictive in a way. Why sports

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Speaker 1: gambling up? We need to juice ourselves up because we're

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Speaker 1: sitting at home with For me, for God's sakes, I

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Speaker 1: got a twin boys in first grade right outside my door.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, what, Yeah, but you're not going

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Speaker 1: to spend a million dollars on a Tom Brady rookie

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Speaker 1: card just because you're not going to spend a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: But I've spent more money than I've ever spent in

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Speaker 1: my life in the last eight months. One have you bought?

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Speaker 1: I bought a what's the most expensive thing I bought? Um?

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Speaker 1: I mean I bought some serious stuff I bought. I

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Speaker 1: bought a Mike Tyson nineteen eighty six Pannini sticker. Those

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Speaker 1: things are going for sixty thousand and seventy thousand in

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Speaker 1: some conditions. I bought a Jordan Rookie. I had to

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Speaker 1: have an eighty sixth leer. You know. So people are

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Speaker 1: people are buying, and a lot of it is the

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Speaker 1: feeling it generates and the camaraderie. Right like when you

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Speaker 1: buy it, there's a collecting community that you then share.

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Speaker 1: It forces you to have relations with people not in

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Speaker 1: the Bill Clinton, not in the Bill Clinton relations, but

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Speaker 1: you know relations. Well, okay, but if you're looking at

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Speaker 1: getting into this, U can you dip your toe into this?

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Speaker 1: Or do you have to go into the deep end? No,

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Speaker 1: it's but it's it's very risky, right because you have

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Speaker 1: to know who's controlling certain markets. So, like I'll give

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Speaker 1: you an example. One of my friends, who has plenty

848
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: of money, says, I want to do Luca don chich

849
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: and I say, well, you got to be careful because

850
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: twenty one to twenty five year olds who don't have

851
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: the same net worth as you, they're going into Luca cards.

852
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: And what happens is if the market starts to crash,

853
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna sell Luca and then that market will crash

854
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: before everything else. So I tell people, try to figure

855
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: out who's in what you want to collect, And it

856
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: starts with having you have to like what you're doing, right, Like,

857
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: not all markets are going to stay up forever. I

858
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: know that's a crypto thing. And oh, it's just gonna

859
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: go to the moon. Everything's gonna go to the moon,

860
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: and it's gonna all go up everything never, nothing ever

861
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: goes down. Don't start with that philosophy, get in trouble.

862
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: But we've had you know, Mike Trout had a rookie

863
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: card that why why is it one of one? I

864
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: never understood that they only make one false scarcity, right,

865
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: So like they decided to create this Mike Trout super

866
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: fractor where it was the Lotto ticket, it was the

867
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: Willy Wonka And so did I ever think that was

868
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: gonna sell for three point nine million dollars? No, But

869
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: this whole we've created, this whole false scarcity. If you're

870
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: remember Dan in the eighties and nineties, the reason it

871
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 1: crashed is because they told us that the Ken Griffy

872
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: Junior rookie card was limited edition. Then we found out

873
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: it was the most produced card of all time, and

874
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: these guys were running off shoots of Ken Griffy Junior

875
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: to pay for their pizza using it as currency. So

876
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: like we needed to create a false scarcity, and so

877
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: that's what that's what the card industry did. This is

878
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: one of forty nine, this is one of one, and

879
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: if you pull that Willy Wonka, you then get it

880
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: graded and then there's a whole grading industry. So like

881
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: you get a Michael Jordan in a one that was

882
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: run over, that you that you actually put literally in

883
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: the spokes of your bicycle, and that in the worst

884
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: condition is going to sell for four thousand now, but

885
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: if you have a ten, that's six hundred and fifteen thousand.

886
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: So the one thing that I hate Dan is when

887
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: someone goes, oh, I have this card, and I'm like,

888
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you have the physical card, if

889
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: it's not a tent like so that that's how it's working.

890
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: I had it. I had somebody who works for somebody

891
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: who's pretty famous in this business, and he was asking me,

892
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, if I collected cards, and I said, yeah,

893
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: I got him, but I don't know if they're worth anything.

894
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: And I said, you know my son's got Pokemon cards.

895
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: He went, wait, which one's which? Which one's last toy?

896
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: And I said the chars art and he goes, you

897
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: gotta take pictures, like how many do you have? When

898
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: I go, I don't know, my son have has him

899
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: in a notebook or a scrapbook? You go, binder, Yeah,

900
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: can you go? You imagine you're You're like, I have

901
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: a nineteen sixty one Will Chamberlain Flear Rookie And he's like, okay,

902
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: He's like, but my son is Pokemon. Oh my god.

903
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: It's almost like disrespect, you know, like you care more

904
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: about a fake dragon than you care about Will Chamberlain Rookie.

905
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: Like this is messed up. This is messed up. I

906
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: had to take my phone out and open up the

907
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: scrap book for you're doing a lot you were doing

908
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: a live doing yes, And then you could hear the

909
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: disappointment in the guy is, oh, that's not a first

910
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: edition from Japan. Forget about it, Dan, I'm sorry. Look

911
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: at the edge of the edges. Oh they're not done.

912
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: Those aren't okay, Yeah, those aren't worth anything. And I

913
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: went okay. So that that was my foray into possibly

914
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: being in that world. For first. The hardest thing that

915
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: I that I do every day is people texting me

916
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 1: saying I got it, and I'm like, that's not the one.

917
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: It's in a horrible condition, you know, and it's all

918
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's at the end. It's just

919
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: disappointing for a lot of people. Crazy. The most expensive

920
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: card ever bought is that the Pie Trainer one Mickey

921
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: Nnials now the five so Mickey Mantle nine from nineteen

922
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: fifty two Tops. So for five point two million. There

923
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: are three tens and all those people are not selling.

924
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: It's believed that that would be a twenty million dollar card.

925
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: The great part about that is in nineteen fifty two

926
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Mickey Manteo was number three eleven in the set. It

927
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: was the high number series, so it was the second

928
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: set that they came out with, and in nineteen fifty two.

929
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: People were disinterested after the first set. So from nineteen

930
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: fifty two to nineteen fifty nine, Tops tried to sell

931
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: those things for two cents a card. Couldn't do it,

932
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: so they took a lot of the cards and went

933
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: in Staten Island and dumped it on a barge into

934
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: the ocean. And that created a false scarcity or a

935
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: real scarcity, and then the rest put it in bicycles,

936
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: and the rest threw the moms threw it out. So

937
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: my favorite line, by the way, is I wish my

938
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: mom didn't throw it out, and then I remind them

939
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: that if their mom didn't throw it out, it would

940
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: be worth nothing anyway. Darren, great to talk to you,

941
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: and good luck with the twins. All right, take care.

942
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: That's Darren Ravelle, a executive producer for the Action Network.