1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with on our radio. 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast. We're here 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: to break down the Golden Bachelor with one of my 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: favorite people in the whole entire world. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: Ashley. 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, no way me I'm here. 8 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was just talking about this yesterday. 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: How just tremendous it is to do this with you 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: week after week after week. 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 4: One day it won't happen, and I'm going to be 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 4: so sad and it's going to be so. 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 3: Weird, like we get fired. 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 4: No, Like I'm talking like ten years from now, Like 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 4: in ten years from now, the odds are yeah, we will 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 4: be doing this. Yeah, it's like an actual eighteen year 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 4: long podcast on The Bachelor, which. 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: We might have to like evolve by then into something new, 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: but I hope we are because the dynamics here are 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: one where Ashley and I can discuss, disagree, agree, and 21 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: still absolutely love each other at the end of the day. 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: I think today is going to be one of those 23 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: agreement days. Here's what we got into in the past, Ashley. 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: Let's just preface this off the top. We had a 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: season of The Bachelor, and I think I think fans 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: agreed with us. It was a pretty rough season of 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: The Bachelor. You know, three years ago, there were some 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: tough seasons back to back that we just had a 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: tough time breaking down. We got way too negative though, 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: I think that was our mistake, but just got too negative, 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: because the truth is, people listen to this and they 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: watch the show not to then be dumped on with negativity. 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: So I'm only saying this because I think you and 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: I both could come into this today and be really 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: frustrated with the Golden Bachelor up to this point and 36 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: also this season and this last episode. So let's try 37 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: our best to highlight the things that were great and 38 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: then at the end, maybe we'll break down the things 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: that are frustrating to us. 40 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: Can we do that? 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: Oh, we can do that. And Ben saying this because 42 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 4: I was like saying certain things before we started the podcast. 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: So I was like, then there's some things, there's some things. 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 4: We'll talk about it later, Okay, Ben, Yes, let's talk 45 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 4: about some highlights. My highlight of the episode is Cindy, 46 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 4: what about you? 47 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: I think Cindy is amazing. I do and I actually 48 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: am enjoying let's say this. I'm enjoying this cast. 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: More and more. 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: My problem, though, to back that up, is I feel 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: like we haven't got to know enough of the cast. 52 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: I think the cast could have really carried this season 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: if we got to highlight them a little bit more. 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 3: But we're just kidding. I felt I feel like snippets. 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: Maybe it's just me, but do you feel like you 56 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: know one person really well? 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 4: Watch it? I'm like, what's her backstory? What's her backstory? 58 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Like? 59 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: I don't remember anything about anyone, and I don't know 60 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: why because I remember on Gary season I felt like 61 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 4: I kind of like knew everybody's situation, like were they divorced, 62 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 4: how many do they have kids? Was it a death 63 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: of the husband? So like I kind of knew my 64 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: empathy level going into each sit down and hear I'm 65 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 4: just like, oh wait, what's her story? Like I like 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 4: her energy, but I don't really know what's going on. 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: Can you pinpoint, maybe from your perspective, being on the show, 68 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: being part of the show, being around the show, what's missing? 69 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: Because I would say I agree with you. I also 70 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: felt that way about Jone's season. I knew I could 71 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: name six guys right now from Jone's season very easily 72 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: and tell you who they are, what they're about. And 73 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: I think I could have done that right after the 74 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: season was over, right, Yeah. What is missing or what 75 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: is different about how this new kind of production company 76 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: is producing this show compared to the past. 77 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: Well, I feel like we used to have a little 78 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 4: bit more substantive conversations between the women in the house, 79 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: like they're little chats on the couch. Those one a 80 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: little bit deeper. And I don't even know how they're 81 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 4: doing this differently because it's the same amount of time 82 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: because there are forty minute episodes then too, so it's 83 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 4: not a time thing and that's interesting. What are they 84 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 4: replacing it with? I really don't know. And Mel is 85 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 4: obviously giving less two he's just not really a vocalizer. 86 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: I think though the lead is the lead, right, they'll 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: protect the lead, They'll make the lead be who they 88 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: want them to be. 89 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 90 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: I think it's less time amongst the women, and I 91 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: think those are really important conversations. There's usually tears, you know, 92 00:04:55,080 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: they feel safe, they're not trying to impress, and so 93 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: it is those conversations one on one with the women 94 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: in the house that we're missing. This year also, we 95 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: had a cast. Let's just compare it to The First 96 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: Bachelor again with the Kathy's and the Susans. But I 97 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: could name moments from that season, like with Susan or 98 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 2: with people talking about how they had terrible gas because 99 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: of Susan's meatballs. 100 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: There was a lot more. It was a lot more 101 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 4: humor driven. 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 2: And this doesn't feel like there's that humor. I'm not 103 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: watching this with that heartwarming, heartfelt moments, And I think 104 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: I have to ask, is that me? Do you think 105 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: that's common? Is am I missing it? These ladies just 106 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: seem like they're a little bit more reserved. But as 107 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: a result of all of this, what we get is 108 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: this kind of week before hometowns, and we aren't necessarily 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: all in on anybody. The person I would argue we 110 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: know the best is Nicole just because of maybe her 111 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: own personal vulnerability and her her ability to say things 112 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: even if we agree or disagree. 113 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 3: But at least she's talking. 114 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 4: No, No, I think we know Cindy the most. Cindy's 115 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 4: being like super emotional, but we know we know Nicole's 116 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 4: motive very well. She definitely is a classic case. If 117 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: not there for the right reasons. I will say that 118 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: there's some ladies that are still here. We are in 119 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 4: the top six week and like, I don't remember Monthly Cheryl. 120 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: Then I love Carol Carol. I kind of I'm glad 121 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 4: she left because there's absolutely no chemistry between the two 122 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 4: of them. And I was wondering whether or not they 123 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 4: were trying to get her to be the next Golden Bachelorette, 124 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: because I think she's so pretty, and I think they 125 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 4: were probably like, you have a better chance of getting 126 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 4: that title if you were to leave right now. They 127 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 4: do that sometimes, So we'll see about her. But Ben, 128 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 4: I guess we know dead a little bit. To answer 129 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 4: your question, Debbie, you know she doesn't. She's never been 130 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 4: married before. That's a storyline that we do remember. 131 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't necessarily know why, but yeah, well we 132 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: don't know much of why, and she never had kids, 133 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: not that you know. So yeah, it's it's interesting. But 134 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: let's start the episode out with one of the best parts. 135 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: I do think Peg is an absolute character. I cannot 136 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: wait to see her hometown. I cannot wait to see 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: how she interacts with the other firefighters. She's on a 138 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: unicycle where she got an unicycle I have no idea, 139 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: but she's on a. 140 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: Unicycle to open up this episode. So my initial. 141 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: Take on this episode right from the beginning is this 142 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: is gonna be fun. Like she's on a unicycle, let's 143 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: get crazy, let's do some weird stuff. 144 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: But I think peg, if you're. 145 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: Around her, probably has a similar personality to the Kathy's 146 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: and the Susans. I think they would let her unleash. 147 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: She could become like a fan favorite just because of 148 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: the comments, the commentary and the stuff that she's willing 149 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: to say. 150 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I see that. So then when do you think 151 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: about the Shaman date? 152 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: You know, it's tough for me. I think I'm not 153 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: against this kind of stuff. 154 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: There's a lot of it. I think they overdo the 155 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 4: spiritual dates. We get a lot of them on Paradise. 156 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: We do, you know, I think I come I personally 157 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: and this is my own thing. I don't have any 158 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: type of feeling other than I would not probably enjoy 159 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: this date because of my faith tradition. 160 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: I just don't know enough. 161 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: I practice meditation, contemplation, prayer in a way that's towards Jesus, 162 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: and that is my only way of doing that. And 163 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: so I think My only take, and this might be unfair. 164 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: My only take is you're asking people to participate in 165 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: something that they maybe feel very strongly like one of 166 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: their core values in life, that they don't necessarily agree 167 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: with or feel comfortable participating in. They're asking them to 168 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: do this, which I think is unfair for the show 169 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: to do. 170 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 4: I get, I totally understand what you're saying, but like, 171 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: if we break it down, it's like they kind of 172 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 4: did a sound bath, which is kind of like meditation. 173 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: I mean, like that doesn't make me feel weird. 174 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, And the yoga, I actually feel like oftentimes they 175 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 4: do connect deeply during with the whole eye contact and 176 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 4: the silence and all of that. 177 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: And it could just be because of, you know, my 178 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: profession outside of this, I speak at churches so often, 179 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: and I am so ingrained into the just meeting with people, 180 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: asking questions, hearing about their faith journey, hearing why they 181 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: believe what they believe. When when he was taught this 182 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: is going to be so mean. 183 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: No, no, no, I think I know where you're going. 184 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: I think the thing that Mel has lacked all season again, 185 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: I don't know this guy. I can't say if I 186 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: like him or not I don't know him. But the 187 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: thing that has lacked this whole season is his ability 188 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: to go deep. His depth has been a question of mine, 189 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: his vulnerability. Does he really want to be there or not? 190 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: Why is he doing this? And I've witnessed these episodes 191 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: and that's the question that keeps coming to my mind. 192 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: And so then we get into one of these opportunities 193 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 2: that depth is almost a necessity in the midst of 194 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: having conversations around faith and your belief systems. Yet it 195 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: felt so surface level because the only thing we got 196 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: from him was I'm a very spiritual person. Right away 197 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 2: when that was said, my first response was I want 198 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: to ask him if I was one of the women 199 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: or if I was a friend of his, if you're 200 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: having dinner, is what do you mean by that? 201 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: Like what does that mean to you? 202 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: It's not a place of judgment, Like, hey, I'm going 203 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: to try to push you to believe what I believe, 204 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: but let's explore this idea of what do you mean 205 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: when you say you're a very spiritual person? And we 206 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: don't get it, and it's like, well, this is another 207 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: moment of surface level conversations about a topic that is 208 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: not surface level at any means, it is a vital 209 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: conversation to have in the midst of a relationship. 210 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 4: When these ladies are talking about how they're falling for him, 211 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: I'm truly like, why because of what we've seen. I've 212 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 4: seen nothing, I've heard, nothing to fall in love with. Like, 213 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 4: I feel like, are they just in the bachelor bubble 214 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 4: right now? Are they just like a physically attracted to him, 215 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 4: super handsome guy, because like, I get those two elements 216 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 4: to fall in love this fast because what we've seen 217 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 4: from him is like I you guys must be getting 218 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 4: to know him much more than us. He must be 219 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: way chattier than he appears on TV, because there's just 220 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 4: there's not much of a personality there. 221 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: If that's the case, right, then that's a failure on 222 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: the show's part because they aren't showing that well. 223 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 4: Our producer just wrote a little note and I am 224 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 4: interested to hear your take on this. She said that 225 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 4: I feel like all the women are opening up to 226 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 4: him and he's not engaging or sharing, so they think 227 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 4: he's a good listener. See maybe generationally, I think, like, man, 228 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 4: this guy's not like we're not connecting because I am 229 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 4: he's not saying anything of interest to me, he's not 230 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 4: even being doesn't even seem like he's there emotionally. 231 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 3: Very much well as a bachelor. 232 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, as a bachelor, you know, like when they're telling 233 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 4: him stories, he's like, yeah, all that must have been tough. Like, 234 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 4: I don't feel like it's coming from the heart. But 235 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: maybe these women like really like the fact that he's 236 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 4: like an old fashioned listener. 237 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: Here's a sign of a listener. And I think it 238 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: is shown. 239 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 4: He's not an active listener. 240 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: Season after season for the lead bachelor or bachelor. And 241 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: if we're missing this, if it's not being shown, then 242 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 2: the show is doing Mel a disservice. If Mel is 243 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: doing it, then he's not helping out the show. But 244 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: every season, and I would say Nick did a great 245 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: job at this. 246 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: When he was the bachelor. You would hear. 247 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: Somebody explain something to him, a story, a moment, an emotion, 248 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: and he would reference that when they were together the 249 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: next time. Right, So not only I don't think it 250 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: was meant to be a reminder to the audience. I 251 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: don't think any bachelor, bachelor it's there woul being like 252 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: this will be helpful for the audience to hear this again. 253 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 3: No, I don't think that's what's going on. 254 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 4: It allows you to be more comfortable, like, oh, hey, 255 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 4: he's remembering. 256 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: Me, and he's showing that he actually was listening, Like 257 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: I actually heard what you said. I know it's chaos 258 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: around us. I know I'm dating a lot of people, 259 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: but the thing you said stood out to me enough 260 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: that I am going to talk to you about it again. 261 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: I'm going to follow up on that, I'm going to 262 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: ask another question about it, or I'm just going to say, hey, 263 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: last time we talked, it was really nice that you 264 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: shared with me x y Z. That shows to me 265 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: you listen, you heard, you remember. It's as simple as this. 266 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 2: Maybe you don't remember. It's as simple as asking the producer, Hey, 267 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: what did we talk about last time? Yeah, help me 268 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 2: out with that. You take a whole you have a 269 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: whole note pad of stuff we've talked about. 270 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: Help me out. 271 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 2: Remind me what we talked about last time. If anything, 272 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: it shows an intention to care. We don't get that 273 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: this season. 274 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 4: I know, like, I'm so sorry to say this, and like, 275 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 4: I'm sorry Tamel if it's different in real life. To me, 276 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: just makes no sense why they would have picked him 277 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 4: to be the Bachelor. 278 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: I think it was a thought of he's so handsome, 279 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: his resume is so good, he's wealthy. This guy is 280 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: going to be a homework. 281 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 4: There a lot of wealthy, good looking guys in their 282 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: sixties are single. I feel like maybe I'm out looking 283 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 4: in that demographic, but maybe maybe it's more challenging than 284 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 4: I thought. I also just wanted to add that I 285 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: do think, after this short conversation about it, I do 286 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 4: think that these women are being taken by the bachelor 287 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 4: bubble and his physical appearance. I really do think that, 288 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 4: like you're you can fall in love with a lot 289 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 4: of a lot of people that you wouldn't normally fall 290 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 4: in love with in that bubble. 291 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: It's it's yeah, I mean I think I was. I 292 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: think I was a beneficiary. 293 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: No, I knew you were going to say that. Of 294 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: course Ben would take it like that, so should be 295 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: going to the details here. The Cheryl and Mel party, 296 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: they did a cold plunge and I was I'd be like, 297 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 4: this is my greatest nightmare. You know, I've never done 298 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: a cold plunge. I cannot do it. I cannot and 299 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: I will not do it. I am cold when it's 300 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: sixty eight in the house, I have a heating pad 301 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: on at sixty eight. So that just tells you how 302 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 4: sensitive I a to the question. 303 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: She kind of got screwed, right, I mean, yeah, all 304 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: these dates are meant to bring you together, Like trick 305 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: yoga felt like to me, one wild choice. Anytime you're 306 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: going to, you know, be on national television with that, 307 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: that's hey, you know what, he's agreed to show his 308 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: whole self. 309 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 4: Were you looking at something that I wasn't looking at? 310 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: No? No, okay, I've been a part of the show. 311 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: Oh so you're saying that possibly there would be a 312 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 4: bonu or alert? 313 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah, you can't help it, right, I mean 314 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: it's been a thing. 315 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: So yeah. 316 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: Tantric yoga is like sensual brings you together. A cold 317 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:40,359 Speaker 2: plunge just pretty much makes you suffer, opposite of the opposite. 318 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: How does that at all bring a couple closer? I 319 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: don't know. It could be a good story to tell. 320 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: But some of the other ones, like the Nicole Day 321 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: obviously was one where there was an opportunity to get 322 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: closer during that date. 323 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 3: What was the other things they did? 324 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: They do a shaman card reading with Nicole, and he 325 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 4: asked to where she sees him herself in five years. Right, 326 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 4: So she's saying at this moment that she would like 327 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: to work on her Instagram and she wants to write 328 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 4: a cookbook. And then she also said that she would 329 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 4: like to have a kiss on camera. It would mean 330 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 4: a lot to her. Oh my gosh, this was like 331 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 4: the most unbelievable moment because the twenty and thirty somethings, 332 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 4: they know not to say these things on camera. 333 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: It is a big moment for the show though, because 334 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: up until this point we only know Melan Nicole to 335 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: have this connection physical physical. This is I mean, if 336 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: this is the first time they're actually talking about something 337 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: and his like red flags go up, I'm surprised because 338 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: they've spent so much time together. I think my question 339 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: during this was what happened because all we get in 340 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: an explanation is that he heard things that make him 341 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: I think he said. 342 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 4: Contemplate that, like it is maybe what Robin was referring 343 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 4: to in last week's episode. 344 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: And that's all we get, and then you know she 345 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: goes home with the into this. 346 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: Well, it was enough for me, it made sense full circle. 347 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: I'm saying you've seen all of it up until this point. 348 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, this all makes sense for him. They've 349 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: been all in front Runner from the beginning, and then 350 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,239 Speaker 2: all of a sudden they have one day where they 351 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: actually talk about stuff and he asks her kind of 352 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: what she's into, and she's like, I'm trying to monetize 353 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: my Instagram and I want to do a cookbook, and 354 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: he's like, there's things that stood out to me, and 355 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden she goes home. I feel 356 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: like we've missed something. I feel like we've we didn't 357 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: get the full circle moment what I really wanted from 358 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: mel as an explanation of him saying, Hey, I am 359 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 2: very worried about people that come on this show that 360 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: want to get famous, and at sixty plus years old, 361 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: monetizing a social media is a pursuit that feels not impossible, 362 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 2: but maybe just not fulfilling. It doesn't have a it 363 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 2: doesn't have the richness that we're looking for at this 364 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: season of life. Have you ever read the book Falling 365 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 2: Upward by Richard. 366 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 4: Rhar I didn't read it, but I know of it. 367 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a book on aging, and so it's a 368 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: beautiful book. That you should read twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties. 369 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: It's a book on aging and what like each chapter 370 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: of life looks like. And what Richard Rhor would argue 371 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: is once you reach that stage kind of middle age 372 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: and on, you are a place of peace, of wisdom, 373 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: of guidance, of like focus. You can start to pour 374 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: into the generation behind you. But also you can continue 375 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: to make the impact with the knowledge that you have 376 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: where you are currently. It felt like this conversation lacked 377 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: all of that because it was this monetization of an instagram, which, 378 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: as you said, thirty year olds know not to say why. 379 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: Because's about law. 380 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: It's a bad look. 381 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: It's a bad look to say that you could want it, 382 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: you could desire it. But if that is like the 383 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: main focus, it feels like our priorities are far misplaced 384 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: from why you go on this show, which is to 385 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: understand yourself better to possibly fall in love. 386 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 4: Yes, can we also make fun of the fact that 387 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 4: she said that her dad still handles her finances, So 388 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 4: I'm picturing a ninety year old man just crunching numbers. 389 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: I think we're getting a sneak peek into a lot there. 390 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it was. 391 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense on her for her to 392 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 2: go home, It does. It makes sense on why this 393 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: isn't like maybe the next you know step for her 394 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: and her relational life. 395 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: Do we know if she's been married previously? 396 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: No, she I think she got divorced twice, divorced twice, 397 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 2: and she's looking for that, you know, next final love. 398 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 2: She goes home at the end of this. So Mel 399 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: was red flags popped up. I wanted more from Nicole. 400 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: I thought we had a an opportunity for a two 401 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 2: on one here that could have been like a Robin. 402 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: Producer Ben. That would have been so good. But you 403 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 4: know why I don't think they did that because I 404 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 4: don't think Mel would have made a really big deal 405 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 4: out of it, you know. I think that like he 406 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 4: would have been like, oh, you know what, whoops, she's 407 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 4: in it for social media fame. 408 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: Uh. 409 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: I guess that's not for me. I'll let her go. 410 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 4: I don't think he had any strong feelings beyond that, 411 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: And he does acknowledge when he sends her home that 412 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 4: it was like a physical thing. I mean, not to 413 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 4: jump ahead, but let's jump ahead just for a second. 414 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 4: When she does get in the car. She holds his 415 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 4: face and make sure that he nods when she says 416 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 4: the bitchiest thing when you end up breaking up with 417 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 4: whoever you end up with, you come to me, okay. 418 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 4: And then she waited for him to nod. She's like, okay, 419 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 4: you hear me, Okay Bye. It was craziness. It was 420 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 4: good entertainment though. 421 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she says that maybe you know, she 422 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: doesn't notice next, but maybe they can make her the 423 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: next Golden Bachelorette. 424 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 3: Do you think that's a possibility. 425 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: No, she was a good villain that they could have 426 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: made a little bit more villainous. But I know this 427 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 4: is I mean, I'm sure she had more things that 428 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: she said on camera, but I know it's the Golden Bachelor, 429 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 4: and they try not to make a lot of drama 430 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 4: or a lot of villains. 431 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 3: And I'm glad. I don't want that. 432 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: In fact, I I'd love to stay away from that always. 433 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: But it did feel like, you know, when you looked 434 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: at the headlines that last week, Nicole was the focus 435 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: of the headlines because of the thing she said. Joan 436 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: and I talked about it, and it was I mean, 437 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 2: I think Joan mentioned it personally it was offensive for 438 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: her to say that the last clast wasn't that attractive. 439 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 2: I know she's come out publicly and apologized for that, 440 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: and I'm not going to hold that against her, but 441 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure there was things said that did make you go, 442 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: this is confusing on how this is the Golden Show. 443 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: This is not what this is supposed to be. You're 444 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: supposed to be Why past this pettiness, in this infighting. 445 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: You're supposed to be here to have a good time, 446 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: to make up memories and to potentially find your forever partner. 447 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 4: Should we talk about Carol and how she's self eliminated. 448 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's an important moment this season. She 449 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: self eliminates because she just doesn't feel like they know 450 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: each other right. 451 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 4: I think that she's the only one who has clarity 452 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 4: right now. I think she's the only one that gets it. 453 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 4: I also think that it's always a great thing. I 454 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: think she's old enough and you know, mature enough to 455 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 4: acknowledge that the chemistry wasn't there, that she probably felt 456 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 4: uncomfortable bringing him home to a family when she never 457 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 4: had a one on one, that she really never had 458 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 4: an in depth conversation with him. I think that she 459 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 4: really could be Bachelorette if they do decide to do 460 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: another Golden Bachelorette. She's so pretty and I found her 461 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 4: to be very relatable, even though like we have decades 462 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 4: between us. I felt like the way that she acted 463 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: on the show is kind of the way that I 464 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 4: felt like she just is kind of like, oh my gosh, 465 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 4: like I'm nervous, and she was always admitting when she 466 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 4: was feeling uncomfortable, and I guess I have a sweet 467 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 4: spot for that. 468 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: It's a it was it was a good moment. I 469 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: think we digged a lot of clarity. I also think 470 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: some foresight there is when you get with family, they're 471 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: not going to hold back on the questions. This is 472 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 2: weird to them. This is odd to them. They're going 473 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: to ask you questions like we see in the previews, 474 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: do you love this person? 475 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 4: Oh my god, that'd be so weird for her to 476 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 4: be asked, Yeah, I've. 477 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 2: Never had a date with them, Like, I don't know 478 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: if I even know this guy. Like that's a very 479 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 2: weird scenario to be put in. And so I don't 480 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: know if she's a fan of the show, if she 481 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 2: knew what things were going, but whatever the case was, 482 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: she definitely made the right decision and by exiting after 483 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: she knew that she wasn't going to get a one 484 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: on one this week. 485 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. So let's go into Cindy's one on one. 486 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 4: Cindy is just absolutely smitten and I can't help. Oh 487 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 4: my god, you guys, I'm just I'm just pounding this 488 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 4: poor guy. That's what she said. But you know what 489 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 4: I mean, she she is better than him, Yes and no. 490 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: I think I think the only argument I have there 491 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: is she's smitten for a specific reason. We don't necessarily 492 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: get why, though, right, we get that, you know, I 493 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: think she's into him, into the experience. We don't get 494 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: the depth of what in him she sees. But she's 495 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: all about it, which can go one of two ways. 496 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: It can either be the most beautiful, great thing ever 497 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 2: and it works, or this experience has got her up 498 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: in the in the vacuum that is the and she's 499 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: just head over heels and a hopeless romantic and she 500 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: actually doesn't know what she's saying. I don't know if 501 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: we know yet, And this date doesn't really point us, 502 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: I think to much more clarity. 503 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 4: But thank you, Ben, Yes, I didn't get any more 504 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 4: clarity as to why she has the feelings that she 505 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 4: has during this date. I do, I do think that 506 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 4: she does feel something though that's like, I think it's 507 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 4: beyond bachelor bubble for her. I don't know why. There's 508 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 4: something unspoken between the two of them in my opinion 509 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 4: for her. 510 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: So do you would you say at this point she's 511 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: your front runner? 512 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I think if she doesn't win, I think 513 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 4: that it would be absolutely astonishing, especially the way this 514 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 4: show is edited. 515 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it does feel like it's pushing in 516 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: that direction, and it feels like it is. If there's 517 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: one thing we're gonna get from the season, it might 518 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: be that beautiful story kind of coming full circle. The 519 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: date ends, they go horseback riding in Griffith Park. 520 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: They do open up a little bit. She opened up about. 521 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: Her divorce and how it's been hard for her to 522 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 2: get close to people since then. She's still communicated, which 523 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: she has for weeks now. She's shocked by how strongly 524 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: she feels for mel Uh and he I think, as 525 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: you said, is reciprocating those feelings and as a result, 526 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 2: when it comes down to the rose ceremony, even though 527 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: Mel is nervous and anxious about everything. He keeps Cindy, 528 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: Peg and Debbie to go on hometowns, which means Cheryl 529 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: and Nicole are going home. 530 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 4: Should we talk about their face times with their family? 531 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 4: I also thought Nicholes was telling she was just facetiming 532 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 4: with a friend. 533 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 534 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 4: To me, that said she hasn't built a family of 535 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 4: her own, which kind of is. 536 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: Sad, And it's like, is he hot? Yeah, he's so 537 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: hot exactly. It's like, yeah, I mean, it's what it is. 538 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: I know they did that on purpose. I'm sure Cindy 539 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: probably said he's hot too to her daughter. 540 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 3: They definitely are making Nicole out to be like a 541 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 3: teen and all. 542 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it feels like that's kind of the edit. 543 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: Now if that's true or not, we'd have to talk 544 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: to Nicole or talk to somebody from this season to 545 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: figure out if that's actually what was, Like, what's happening? 546 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 4: But her lemon bars from was that last week or 547 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 4: this week? 548 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: Last last week was lemon bars? But he did mention 549 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: I think Mel said I like her because she like 550 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: made me lemon bars. 551 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 4: Lemon bars. That sounded frank and bitten to me. That 552 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 4: sounded like he was, like, I like her because and 553 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 4: then they put in the sound bite whereas she made 554 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 4: me lemon bars. Absolutely know she's one of my favorites 555 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 4: because she made me lemon bars. 556 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: I mean that's where we're at. We have a really 557 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 3: tough going. 558 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 4: That was so funny. 559 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my goodness, Yeah that was wild. He just 560 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: reminded me of that moment. The facetimes of the family, 561 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: I think is a good added touch. Yeah, that's it too, goodness, Ashley. Like, 562 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: I watched my own season and I watched gary season, 563 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: and I remember us talking about it, and like there 564 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: were moments where I was emotional, like tears, not like bawling, 565 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: but just like definitely so sweet. I think the show 566 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: wanted this to be that like the FaceTime moments for us. 567 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: I didn't. 568 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: I thought it was like a good out of touch. 569 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: I didn't feel emotional at all. 570 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 4: No, it made me feel a little bit more like, Okay, 571 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 4: I'd love to see their family and how they talk 572 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 4: to their family, because like it, obviously you can tell 573 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 4: a lot about somebody when they're talking to the person 574 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 4: that they're most comfortable with. Yeah, and I think again, 575 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 4: like when I think back on the quick scene. It 576 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 4: was Nicole for the fact that it was teenagerish, and 577 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 4: it was Cindy because of the way that she spoke 578 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 4: to her daughter about it just being like seeming so 579 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 4: deep for her. And then I guess with Cheryl because 580 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 4: Cheryl is like, it's more than just like yeah. But 581 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 4: then Cheryl goes home. 582 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: Then Cheryl goes home. I was gonna say, Cheryl, Nicole 583 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: or go home. We talked about Nicole's exit. Cheryl is 584 00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: walked out by men. 585 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 4: Mel. 586 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: He does get choked up in this moment saying goodbye 587 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: to Cheryl. 588 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: They kiss goodbye. 589 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: That's not common I think on this show that there's 590 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: a kiss to say goodbye. He does show emotion here. 591 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 4: I think it is on Golden Ben. The Goldens are different. 592 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 4: They're like, oh, such a great time. Yeah, thanks on 593 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 4: Batchelor Beelorette. Could you imagine can you just dumped me? 594 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 4: Let's make out one more time? 595 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, this will be fun. 596 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: We do see Mel get emotional, though, which I think 597 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 2: is a moment for us that maybe foreshadows how these 598 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: next few weeks will be. As I've said since the beginning, 599 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: the best thing for Mel, the best thing for the show, 600 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: the best thing for the season. They don't have to 601 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: force it, but that he shows emotion at some point, 602 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 2: that he shows that he cares at some point. And 603 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: this is really the first moment we have where I 604 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: think he's he's clearly showing that he's cared and that 605 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: he's invested into this, and I personally found it a 606 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 2: very good moment for the show. 607 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely agree. Him walking the two of them 608 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 4: out showed something. 609 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: Here's a question I have for you, as obviously we 610 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 2: get down to hometowns. 611 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 3: We only have a few weeks left of this season. 612 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 4: This is the quickest season of all time. I know 613 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 4: that there are short episodes and that it's also short weeks, but. 614 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: Wow, it's really wild. Will we have a tell all? 615 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 3: Do you think? 616 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 4: No? I don't think we had a tell all for 617 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 4: either of the other ones? Do it? Oh? Maybe we 618 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 4: did for Gary's, Maybe we did for both of them. 619 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't think there will be either. 620 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 2: I'm assuming I'm hopeful that the almost famous podcast will 621 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: get brought back in to do that reunion like we 622 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: did with Paradise. That was great. We had a lot 623 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: of fun with that, and so maybe that's how they're 624 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: going to do it again, is the reunion will be 625 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: podcasts on a podcast form, and that we can get 626 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: involved in it in some way because there's a lot 627 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 2: of questions I think that we have about this season, 628 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: about the contestants, about mel. 629 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll see what happens. 630 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: Actually, there's a montage at the end with the hometown visits. 631 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: PEG takes Meil to the firehouse. Cindy is crying and 632 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: saying she's missing something. I don't exactly know what she's 633 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: missing there, and then we kind of see Meil just 634 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: get absolutely hounded by family members we can't tell who 635 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: yet on what his intentions are, if he loves somebody 636 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: or not, And we see him saying, I don't know. 637 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like a clipped in moment 638 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: or if he's actually had his response, which would be 639 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: a wild response. 640 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 4: I think that's his response. But I'm just going along 641 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 4: with the fun right now. Yeah, Ben, My one thing 642 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 4: to say about Cindy crying and saying is it about 643 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: missing something? I feel like perhaps that is her family 644 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 4: being like, are you freaking sure mom? That you're so sure? 645 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 4: And then she's like, am I missing something here? Why? 646 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 4: Does everybody else love him the way that I love him? 647 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 3: That could be? That could be. Hometowns are fun. 648 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: It's one of our favorite weeks no matter what, no 649 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 2: matter what leans up to it. It's fun to tease, 650 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 2: it's fun to be a part of. And I think 651 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 2: the family dynamics are always so vital for us understanding 652 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: the contestants more. 653 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 3: We'll see how it goes. 654 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: Anything else to add, I mean it honestly, this season 655 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 2: so far has been tough to break down for me, 656 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: Ashley because. 657 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 4: Hey, Ben, if you guys can't tell, yeah, I mean. 658 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: And it's like it's it's kind of it's tough because 659 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: it's just not the investment that I wanted to have. 660 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 4: It's kind of like you and I are getting on 661 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 4: here and we're like, so, what are your thoughts about 662 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 4: something that there's not really anything thought provoking about. 663 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough, I mean. 664 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: And the thing that frustrates me is I love the 665 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: Golden Idea, the concept in the first two seasons of 666 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: the show so much. I do, I did I want, 667 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: And it's just it's so frustrating to me that so 668 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: quickly the thing that made the first two seasons work. 669 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 3: Has now felt so far gone. Is it salvageable? I 670 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: think so. 671 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 2: Is it salvageable this season? I don't know, But that's 672 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: where we're at. We're entering the hometowns. We'll be here 673 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 2: still breaking it down the best we can. So until 674 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: next time, I've been Ben, I've. 675 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 4: Been Ashley Seya. 676 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 677 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts