1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's meet James, and just before we start today, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: we're going to discuss in quite some detail, the being 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: to death of Tyree Nichols by the police in Memphis. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: And if you don't want to hear that detail, that's 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: totally fine, but we wanted to let you know now 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: so that you didn't get surprised by it in your 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: money commute or whatever. So if you want to skip 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: this one, if you don't listen to that one, then 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: we are trying to give you that warning ahead of time. 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: Discourse Discourse. Discourse is about podcast. I don't know it 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: could happen. Here is the podcast that you're listening to. Uh. 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: If you came here list looking for another podcast, then 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: you fucked up, But you fucked up in a good 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: way because that podcast was trash. Thank you for being 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: here with us today. Who all? Who all? Who? Who? 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: Who's here? Who are you? People? We're in Eln? Sure? Yeah, 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm THEA long I'm here. Wow, I'm I'm James. I'm 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: a little unsure about who I am beyond that, but 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: that's who I am. It's okay. I'm Garrison Davis and 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm here to engage in discourse. I there's nothing I 21 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: love more than discourse. Um. Speaking of discourse, today we're 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: gonna be talking about, well, I don't know, it's not 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: really discourse, but today we're gonna be talking about the 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: reaction to the video of the Memphis police murdering Tyree Nichols. 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: In particularly, we're gonna be talking about the way in 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: which kind of the left responded to this, both online 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: and kind of public channels and actually in the streets. 28 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Because I think there's some interesting stuff here, um, and 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of worth analyzing outside of uh, 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, the broader conversation about police violence and you know, 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: uh that sort of thing, because I think there's some 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: interesting story of tactical stuff to kind of talk about here. Um. 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's that's that's what we're going to be 34 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: doing today. UM. In case you've been kind of stuck 35 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: under a rock, uh, you should probably be aware that 36 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: on January seven, three, police from the Memphis p D 37 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: Scorpion Unit, which was a unit with a very sinister 38 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: name that existed to effectively over police, um a chunk 39 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: of the city of Memphis. Uh yeah, um, pulled over 40 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: Tyree Nichols, a twenty nine year old black man. UH. 41 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: Tyree was an amateur photographer. UM, he liked skating. He 42 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: had Crohn's disease. UM, he was just driving around that night. UH. 43 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: And the encounter, as we would later see on the video, 44 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: went pretty much immediately violent on behalf of the police. 45 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: Nichols was beaten very badly, and he died in the 46 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: hospital three days later. And for the first few days 47 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: after the killing, obviously, you know this happened, the police 48 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: did this, and then rumors started kind of spreading in 49 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: the immediate wake of the beating, but very little was 50 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: known for certain about like what had happened, UM, about 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: you know what, why this had had gotten escalated so quickly. UM. 52 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: One of the first kind of signs that this was 53 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: going to become a thing on the national uh in 54 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: terms of like the national attention span, was when the 55 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: Tennessee Bureau of Investigation in the U. S. Department of 56 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: Justice independently opened investigations into the beating. UM after reviewing 57 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: body camera footage from multiple officers on scene, five Memphis 58 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: p D officers were dismissed on January. Three days later, 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: an autopsy commissioned by Tyrese family found extensive bleeding caused 60 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: by a severe beating. Outrage around the killing grew rapidly, 61 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: and it was announced by the Memphis Police that body 62 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: camera footage of the stop and of the beating would 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: be released to the public. Uh. This started the rumor 64 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: mill really churning up. UM. There was kind of a 65 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: couple of leaks from people who had seen the footage 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: I think who were close to the case, and they 67 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: all sort of described it as uniquely bad. The term 68 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: that I heard a lot was that it's worse than 69 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: the Rodney King beating. Um. This is just the way 70 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: in which people started talking about it. And as more 71 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: details filtered out, there were conversations around the country, particularly 72 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: folks on the activists left, who started talking about the 73 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: need to prepare for what they suspected would be the 74 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: aftermath of the video's release. UM. And one of the 75 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: things that was kind of kind of worth discussing here 76 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: is that in the immediate, like immediately before the video 77 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: came out, a lot of the conversations that people on 78 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: the left were having and that people in law enforcement 79 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: we're having kind of focused around the same expectations, which 80 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: was that there would be widespread protests and rioting as 81 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: a result of the release of this video. UM, police 82 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: departments around the country entered high alert. Riot squads were 83 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 1: prepped UM and then kind of on the other side 84 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: of things and sort of open channels on Twitter and 85 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: massed on and in person, and a number of of 86 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: of different cases, distant people you know who claimed to 87 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: be that online talked about their expectations too. I heard 88 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: variations of the phrase, you know, it's going to be 89 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: a really hot year. This is going to like lead 90 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: into a particularly aggressive summer. On the ground, people are 91 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: going to make the burning of that precinct in Minneapolis 92 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: look tame. You know, get your gear together, check in 93 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: with your friends, everything's about to go off. UM. There 94 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: was a lot of chatter kind of along those lines, 95 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I didn't really speak up too 96 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: much about this, but my kind of thinking, as folks 97 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: were sort of anticipating the reaction to this was I 98 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: suspected that the actual reaction on a mass scale to 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: the video's release was going to be more muted and 100 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 1: law abiding than than people were expecting at the time. 101 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: And I guess the primary reason that I felt this 102 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: way was simply that kind of the vibes were off. 103 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: It just didn't feel like folks were ready for that 104 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: kind of a response. Um, but I do kind of 105 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: have a fact based reason for why I was anticipating 106 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: that as well. UM. On January, two days before the 107 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: video's release, five Memphis p D officers were arrested and 108 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: charged with murder, kidnapping, assault, a bevy of very serious charges. 109 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: Immediately after that, three firefighters T. E. M. T s 110 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: and a police lieutenant who had been on scene after 111 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: the beating were fired for failing to assess and provide 112 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: emergency care to Nichols on scene. And there's a couple 113 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: of ways to view what happened here. I think the 114 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: less optimistic one is that the state simply made a 115 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: pragmatic decision to throw these guys onto the bus. That's 116 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: definitely what happened. The more optimistic way to look at 117 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: this is that because people had rioted so hard for 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: so long in the wake of George Floyd's murder, the 119 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: state felt like it had to throw these guys under 120 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: the bus rather than, you know, risk another year of rage. 121 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: And this is also correct. I think both of these 122 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: things are are pretty accurate ways to look at what happened. 123 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: The idea that the release of the footage of Tyree's 124 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: murder would lead to massive protests was not quite universal, 125 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: but I didn't notice that a lot of the people 126 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: who felt similarly to me expressed the belief that if 127 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: people didn't riot over what had happened to Tyree, that 128 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: was due to a mix of liberal cowardice and racism, 129 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: since most of the officers who beat Tyree to death 130 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: were themselves black. And I think this is kind of 131 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: a short sighted and unfair take, and I'll talk about 132 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: why shortly. On January Friday, the Tyree Nichols videos were 133 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: released by the Memphis Police Department. UM, along with a 134 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: lot of you. I watched them all immediately, UM, and 135 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: you can find there's a description on my Twitter page. 136 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: It's turned currently pinned to my profile of the video 137 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it but want to know what 138 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: happened there. UM To kind of summarize it in brief, 139 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: it's it's very ugly. Uh. Tyree is immediately calm as 140 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: he's pulled over and taken from his car. The police 141 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: are not calm. He attempts to de escalate them. They 142 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: accuse him falsely of resisting, then they mace him and themselves. 143 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: I think in general that the inciting incident for the 144 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: beating was the incompetent use of mace by these officers. 145 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: They hurt themselves, they got pissed, and then they beat 146 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: Tyree because they were angry at themselves for macing themselves. UM. 147 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: It's also kind of worth noting that a white officer 148 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: who has since been fired as well, also deployed his 149 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: taser on the young man. There's been some kind of 150 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: this was kind of left out of a lot of 151 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: the initial summaries of what had happened. Uh, that guy 152 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: has now been fired. UM. And yeah, it's it's bad. 153 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: The video is is very unpleasant and very brutal. UM. 154 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: Watching it, though, I think kind of the thing that 155 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: struck me most was how much like a normal traffic 156 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: stop a lot of this was. UM. I think that 157 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: if you know, they had gone a little bit less 158 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: hard and beating him a little less badly and he 159 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: had survived, they probably would have charged him with resisting 160 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: arrest and assault on a police officer. UM. And who 161 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: knows how the case would have gone. You can hear 162 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: the police preparing for this eventuality in the footage, one 163 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: officer claims that Tyree went for his gun. There's no 164 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: evidence of this in the footage, uh, And you can 165 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: kind of hear them all working to get their stories 166 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: straight after they beat Tyree Um for the inevitable court case. 167 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: More officers and emergency personnel arrive on scene as he's 168 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: just kind of laying there, and none of them seemed 169 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: to find what's happened peculiar or noteworthy, which is interesting 170 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: because immediately prior to the video's release, police departments around 171 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: the country all issued statements that were basically identical, condemning 172 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: the officers who had beaten nichols Um, saying basically, this 173 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: behavior is unacceptable. These men are bad apples. This is 174 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: like an extreme example that does not represent policing values. 175 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: And there's a couple of things that are are interesting 176 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: about this. One of them is that the actual way 177 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: in which emergency responders on scene treated the beating kind 178 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: of puts the lie to that, because nobody acts as 179 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: if anything outside of the normal has occurred. And the 180 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: other thing that is noteworthy is the uniformity of these 181 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: these messages by police departments around the country. I have 182 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: not actually seen that happen before. There was kind of 183 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: a version of this that occurred in the wake of 184 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: the George Floyd video, but it was much more cohesive 185 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: prior to the release of the Tyree Nichols video. UM. 186 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: That said, there were no widespread riots or acts of 187 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: property destruction. After the video was released. There were protests 188 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: in a number of cities, most notably in Memphis, UM, 189 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: but compared to things were very subdued. There was not 190 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: kind of widespread property destruction or rioting in Portland, which 191 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: was obviously the site of intense radical street actions. In 192 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: there were two fairly small marches. UM. I'm not gonna 193 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: delve into this in tremendous detail, but there were kind 194 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: of allegations from one of the marches that the larger 195 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: and less radical of the two was an op designed 196 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: to take numbers and energy away from the radical march. 197 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: There were confrontations between members of both groups, and while 198 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: the overall story, again is not worth spending time on, 199 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: the gist of it is that very little happened. Now 200 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: this is not kind of limited to Portland's Atlanta, Georgia 201 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: is probably the city in the US today that's been 202 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: the center of the most effective radical protests against law 203 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: enforcement and the history of attempts to stop and stabotage. 204 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: The construction of Cops City, which is obviously a massive 205 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: police training compound in Atlanta's largest urban forest, has been 206 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: well documented by by Garrison Davis UM as well as 207 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: a number of other reporters. UM. I do think it's 208 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: worth noting that days before the Nichols video was released, 209 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: Atlanta police shot and killed a forest defender, Tortu Guida, 210 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: and a moderately large protest followed, where protesters smashing windows 211 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: and lighting one cop car on fire. This was the 212 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: kind of action that I think most of the activists 213 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: I observed expected in the wake of the Nichols video 214 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: as well, but we simply didn't see that. I'm just 215 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: going to butt in here for a little bit and 216 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll hear more about that riot slash protest 217 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: in Atlanta next week. UM. I'm putting together a series 218 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: on it that'll that'll be out soon. But definitely one 219 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: of the things that was talked about a lot in 220 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: Atlanta was the upcoming release of this video and the 221 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: potentiality of this video getting released shortly after the death 222 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: of Tortuguita at the hands of police. Kind of both 223 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: of these things feeding off each other into a into 224 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: a similar like level um uprising. And this was like 225 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: no one was like for sure about this, Like no 226 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: one was like saying, this is absolutely definitely gonna happen, 227 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: But it was something that was definitely thought about. UM, 228 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: it was something that was definitely considered. I think, honestly, 229 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: if the the video was set to come out originally 230 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: on like the Monday or Tuesday following the big downtown 231 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: protest in Atlanta, UM, it was supposed to come out 232 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: just a few days later, and that that didn't happen. 233 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: It was delayed once again for further further into the week. UM. 234 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: I think if it came out sooner, I think that 235 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: could have fed off momentum in a pretty considerable way. 236 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: I think a few things happened both in Atlanta that 237 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: in the in the next few days that kind of 238 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: stunted possible possible for their protest. UM National Guard was deployed. 239 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: UM police in Savannah were ordered to start arresting people 240 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: and shutting down gatherings of over fifteen uh specifically for 241 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: like including vigils, and in Atlanta, obviously there was people 242 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: getting really pretty pretty inflated, uh high level felonies and 243 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: domestic and domestic terrorism charges simply for being simply for 244 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: being present at a protest UM. So I think those 245 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: those things kind of all in all impacted people's ability 246 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: to like prepare for you know, a sequence of protests 247 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: which there was someone there was someone in l a 248 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: for for like a day or two. The ones in 249 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: Memphis were pretty big, but I think they the timeline 250 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: in which they released the video is definitely should be 251 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: considered in terms of when they chose to release it 252 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: um to like yeah, in terms of the state's goal 253 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: of preventing you know, large large scale protests. But that 254 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: was definitely something that was talked about a lot during 255 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: during like the little over a week that I was 256 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: that I was in Atlantis, because everyone was getting ready 257 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: for this, Like everyone heard that this is going to 258 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: be like the worst of ADEO that we've seen since 259 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: Rodney kinging like that that that that was the way 260 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: it was. It was thought up of like on the ground, 261 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, just like word of mouth being being passed um, 262 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: and people were definitely like preparing, like preparing themselves for it, 263 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: like like like thinking, like thinking about like what's going 264 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: to happen if this is like, if this really is 265 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: the most horrific thing, what is the appropriate response to that? 266 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: And and this is kind of a lot of what 267 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk around because you have sort of 268 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: Georgia law enforcement. There's this this riot, and the response 269 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: to that, as well as the response to the tree 270 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: set is a series of dem stick terrorism charges, um. 271 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: And then this video comes out and there's not a 272 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: mass like radical street response to it, and it it 273 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: seems to me and Garrison you can correct me if 274 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm wrong that a big part of that is people 275 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: in Atlanta were kind of not willing to throw more 276 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: lives and bodies at the police without kind of more 277 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: of a cohesive plan of what to do given the 278 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: severity of the repression that that was being engaged in. 279 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously can't comment on people's votivations or like 280 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: plans for for for stuff, because that's not something that 281 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: I would be would be privy privy to. Yeah, um, 282 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: so I I don't know, there's there's there's a lot 283 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, like I think a big part 284 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: of why I heard a lot about it in Atlanta 285 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: was one because a friend of a lot of people 286 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: who were involved in the forced and the force events 287 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: got killed by police a few days earlier. And two 288 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: Memphis is only a few hours way from Atlanta, Like 289 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: it's it's it's not it's it's it's not that far, 290 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: and it's a big part of the stuff in Atlanta 291 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: is like solidarity with struggles that are not just in 292 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: your immediate vicinity. And you could argue that Memphis really 293 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: is in the immediate vicinity of Georgia. Um, but like 294 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: that that type of cross cross state solidarity is is 295 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: a big part um. But yeah, I can I I 296 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: could not comment on on on why why people did 297 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: or did not choose to do specific things. I think 298 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: that that's that's up for people themselves. Yeah, I want 299 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: to want to put words into anyone's mouth. But it 300 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: was kind of interesting because I I paid attention a 301 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: lot to the reaction, and there were a lot of 302 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: folks talking about how disheartening it was that there were 303 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: not more of the kind of radical actions that they 304 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: wanted to see in the wake of the video coming out, 305 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: And I'm that's kind of the thing I wanted sort 306 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: of to talk most around because I feel very mixed 307 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: around this, But broadly speaking, I guess I'm glad that 308 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: we didn't see a repeat of the part of that 309 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: was folks standing up in front of cop shops until 310 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: riot police came in and getting charges against them, because 311 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: I just don't think that that works right now. I 312 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: don't think it works is functional anymore. Um, I don't 313 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: think it actually hurts the state because the reaction, like 314 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: there was a period of time early in those first 315 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: couple of months in particular, where you could see the 316 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: police were off balance. Obviously in like Minneapolis with the 317 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: burning of the Third Precinct, was was this kind of 318 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: sea change moment um, but you could see it in 319 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: a number of cities that like they didn't really know 320 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: what was going on, and they were themselves concerned with 321 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: how out of control the situation had gotten. And then 322 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: it kind of morphed later in the year to I 323 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: think a situation they could control very well where there 324 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: were these acts of fairly minor property destruction and then 325 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of people would get picked up and charged. 326 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: And I think that while I understand like the desire 327 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: to react that way and to do something, um, kind 328 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: of very firm and uh and radical in response to 329 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: state violence like this. I'm also like deeply concerned about 330 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: people not throwing away months and years of their lives 331 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: fighting charges. Yeah. I mean a big part of it 332 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: is is people learning that treating protesters as disposable meat 333 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: bags to throw against the wall of the state is 334 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: kind of a bad idea. Um. Yeah, And there's I 335 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: think this is something that that that was talked about 336 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: in conversations just just like regarding like, hey, this video 337 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: is going to come out, what do you think it's 338 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: going to happen. Like there's just a lot of the casual, 339 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: casual conversations, but like there was a lot to make happened. 340 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: A lot of things contributed to the intensity and the 341 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: length of those protests. I think, uh, COVID being a 342 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: pretty big part. This was a few months into the pandemic. 343 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: People have been stuck in their homes now for a 344 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: few months and not really like prepared for that. Like 345 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: at this at this point, we're kind of we're all 346 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: kind of used to being in our house a lot 347 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: more now, But back then it was it was new 348 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. So I think the opperaty 349 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: the opportunity to get out of the house for what 350 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: seemed like an important reason. I think was a really 351 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: big part of people. People being out of a lot 352 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: of work was a really big part of because a 353 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: lot of people did did not have the types of 354 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: jobs that they might have now, did not have the 355 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: jobs they had like in like the months before. It's 356 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: maybe because I can't really think of another example like 357 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: this from history. Obviously a lot of uprisings occur when 358 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: people are suddenly out of work, but this was a 359 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: mix of people are suddenly out of work and they 360 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: suddenly they all have cash like that, that which contributed 361 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways because like that, that was 362 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: I think what funded a lot of you know, people 363 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: bringing in food and people bringing in like pallets of 364 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: water and getting gas masks and stuff as they had 365 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: these sort of checks for you know, as a result 366 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: of like COVID relief, which was an interesting situation as 367 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: well that hasn't been replicated since. I think there's there's 368 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: another very important factor of this that doesn't get talked 369 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: about that much, which is just the weather. Like if 370 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: if you, if you, if you, if you go back 371 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: and look at when the largest police like largest anti 372 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: police protests in the US have happened, right, They either 373 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: start like late spring, early fall, or just the middle 374 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: of the summer. And there's the reason. Yeah, Like then 375 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: this is I think another this is this is the 376 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: thing up in Chicago, right was it was just really 377 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: fucking could and I mean this this affects actually circles too. 378 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: But it's like you can't get the critical mass, which 379 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: just regular people in the streets when it's like twenty degrees. 380 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: I think the other side of that is, um, just 381 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: summer vacation of a lot of a lot of the 382 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: people who go the hardest at these protests are people 383 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: in high school. UM. And during winter, fall, spring kids, 384 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: kids are in school during during summer, uh, people have 385 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: people under the age of eighteen have a lot more 386 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: free time on their hands. So I think that is 387 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: another contributing factor. UM. And I think there's there's there's 388 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: one other aspect which is very sinister um And but 389 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: I think is worth talking about in terms of how 390 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: of how the state may have been trying to frame 391 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: this to like to to frame the release of this 392 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: video too kind of like curtail the the the the 393 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: the intensity of any type of like um of a 394 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: protest revolter up racing. Now obviously that there was like 395 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: the fucked up nature of like making this feel like 396 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: a world premiere of like a snuff film was like 397 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: it was it was. It was like a weird a 398 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: weird aspect, which I think it encouraged the video to 399 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: be to be something that is consumed versus something that's 400 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: actually like watched and like, oh, this is a fucked 401 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: up thing that we that we need to do something about. Instead, 402 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: it turned it into this like element of consumption and 403 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: the other aspect for this in terms of a lot 404 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: of hardcore activists like like people who have thrown down 405 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: in the streets before, people who have who have who 406 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: have seen fucked up ship is that the intensity, what 407 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: was the violence depicted on this video was framed as 408 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: being extremely horrific, being being a very very unusual a 409 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: very um like uncommon but but but but horrifying display 410 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: of violence and display of brutality by the police. This 411 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: is this, This is what police departments were faring it as. 412 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: This is what the President of the United Its was 413 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: framing this as like this this is a case of 414 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: a few of a few bad actors who who did 415 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: an egregious um but you know, uncommon thing. And I 416 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: think when a lot of people who have thrown down 417 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: watched this video, it just reminded you of stuff that 418 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: you've seen before, Like, yeah, they saw a thing they 419 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: had seen. It wasn't It was not shocking in the 420 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: same way that it was getting framed as. Because what 421 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: separates this from most of the arrests that happened in 422 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: Portland during is very little Like one or two punches 423 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: that were that were thrown just a little bit too 424 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: hard is all that separates this from most like violent 425 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: police arrests, Like this was not an uncommon display of violence. 426 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: This was an ordinary, an ordinary encounter that just a 427 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: few things were pushed just barely over the edge. And 428 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people watched, like my first 429 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: reaction was like, oh, like this, this is not as 430 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: bad as what I thought like this and that that 431 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: that should be a condemnation of the police's actions, Like well, 432 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: that's why I think one of the most important things 433 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: to watch is how the other cops who were not 434 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: present for the beating, but who show up immediately after 435 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: or at the end of because some of them did 436 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: watch the others beat him. How they react because they're 437 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: just kind of even the m T R. Oh, yeah, 438 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: this has happened, but we we we do a stand back. 439 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: When this happened, pizza people, the people on the ground 440 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: were not concerned. Like it was not you could you 441 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: could slowly watch because like a lot of this video 442 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: was not of the actual beating. It was it was 443 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: of the aftermath, and you you you could you could 444 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: watch these cops slowly start to realize that maybe they 445 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: went a little too hard, just very slowly over the 446 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: course of thirty minutes. But for most of the time 447 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: they're on the ground, they're like making jokes. They are 448 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: talking about how fun, like how fun it was to 449 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: beat up this person and there facing each other. That 450 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 1: is most of the video. I think it's worth noting 451 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: like a couple of things. One like it's extremely long, 452 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: Like I'm not in the in the way that the 453 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: George Floyd video like fits into the attention span of 454 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: stuff we consume on our telephones at a time versus 455 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: versus like an hour of footage. Right, Yeah, if Tyree 456 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: Nichols had just been seriously disabled, have life altering injuries, 457 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: been charged with disting rest all the things that very 458 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: plausibly could have happened if a couple of punches had 459 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: handed in different place, this body camera footage would have 460 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: been denied under the investigative exemption, right then have said no, 461 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: we're investigating his resistance of arrest. You can't you can't 462 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: see it, and none of this ship would have happened. 463 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: And like, yeah, the normalcy of so much other than 464 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: the outcome. I don't know that that stripped some of 465 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: the rage away, but it's important context. I think a 466 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: few things I mean, and this is again one of 467 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: the things that I think you can see from this 468 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: that is evidence is sort of a positive long term 469 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: result too, and it's it's a very mixed bag when 470 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: I say it's positive, but that is kind of a 471 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: positive sign. Is that they acted so quickly to throw 472 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: all of these guys. They are firing and charging a 473 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: lot of city employees over this. It's going to be 474 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: between all of the people fired and all of the 475 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: people charged, more than a dozen people by the time 476 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: this is all done, which I can't think of another 477 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: time when that has happened this quickly over an incident 478 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: of police violence. And they did that not because it's 479 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: the right thing to do, but because they were scared, 480 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: and again I do I want to emphasize here the 481 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: thing that they're scared of is not that like radical 482 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: left wing protesters will take to the street. It's that 483 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: liberals and more political they know that the consequence of 484 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: the cops beating someone to death is that, like someone 485 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: suck a mom will fucking abandon how many vans wing 486 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: hammer into your cops show if you don't do this, 487 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: do like give a scapegoat, right, like do the fair 488 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: the bad minimum? And so the positive the thing that 489 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: I can say that is probably positive about this is 490 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: that it does show there's still some fear there on 491 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: their behalf. The thing that's negative is that, like, well, 492 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: it it worked, because I will say, on a moral level, 493 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: I think a wide variety of radical actions are morally 494 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: justified by what was done to Tyrene Nichols. Now that said, 495 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: like back to the sort of the point we're making 496 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: the start of this, I don't particularly urge or encourage 497 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: that just because, like I don't like seeing people get 498 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: arrested and charged and spend years of their life fighting 499 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: ship in court um for the chance to like, let's say, 500 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: carry out minor acts of property destruction on a cop shop. Um, 501 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't think like that sort of activism works right now. Um, 502 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't work without them, without the critical mass 503 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: of like liberals sort of behind it, without enough people 504 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: saying like we like again you look at like the 505 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: fact that the burning of the Third Precinct in Minneapolis 506 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: is still one of the most popular things in modern 507 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: American politics. But that was the product of a fairly 508 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: unique moment, And I just don't I see some positives 509 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: in like the lingering fear of that moment, But I 510 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: also don't see the material conditions that make me think 511 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: it's something like that is coming again in the immediate future. 512 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: And especially because this this situation around this video demonstrates 513 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: how much more effort the state's putting into trying to 514 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: prevent things from happening before they start. Like there was 515 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: a lot of like inter agency work put into having 516 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: all of these local police departments release statements, having the 517 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: FBI release statements, having uh president like having having the 518 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: president release statements, and it's it is all made slightly 519 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: more bizarre considering that the contents of the video are 520 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: not the on on the level of like uncommon or 521 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: like rare, rare displays of violence that the police do, 522 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: like this is this is this is relatively standard, um 523 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: and that that kind of one thing I've been thinking 524 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: about is like why did they choose this video? Like 525 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: why did they why did they make this one? Like 526 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: what were they afraid of, like for this video, because 527 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: like other other other videos have come out in the 528 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: past few years, like other like other police killings have happened, 529 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: like the police killings all the fucking time, but they 530 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: they did a lot of work on this one specifically, 531 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: um and it it's kind of it's kind of interesting that, 532 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: like why why they chose this specific video to to 533 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: dedicate all of this work into because not not only 534 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: did they like you know, denying stuff, but they also 535 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: they like they like hyped it up. They're like you 536 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: using this as like an example, Yeah, like like using 537 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: this as an example, like here, this is what bad 538 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: cops look like. Watch us punish these bad cops. Well, 539 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: but I think I think I think there's a rate. 540 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: I think there's a huge racial aspect of this, right, 541 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: which is that like you know, like the cops are 542 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: getting prosecuted. Are only the black cops who are involved 543 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: in this right, and I think that's a huge part 544 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: of this entire strategy. I think that's why they framed 545 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: this as exceptional violence, is to play on people's racism, right. 546 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: I think I think that's why I think person why 547 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: this is allowed to happen, which was that yeah you 548 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: can it is. It's like even inside the police it 549 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: is a lot easier to throw black cops under the 550 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: bus that it is that throw white cops under the bus. 551 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: That's just how the system works, and it doesn't trigger 552 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: that same like visceral response right that that we all 553 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: had to seeing the George Floyd video. I don't think 554 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: quite like like there is age old tradition of white 555 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: men doing violent to black men on behalf of the state. 556 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: And I think also it's it's also easier politically inside 557 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 1: of the police departments because I think I think there 558 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: would have been a lot more pushback from like the 559 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: police part Like there hasn't been much that I've seen 560 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: like internal pushback like from inside and police partments, because 561 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: I I think if ituld have been five white cops, 562 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: I think this would have been a huge fight, and 563 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: I think you would have had like the fucking police 564 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: union like calling Biden like an anti cop, like whatever. 565 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: But I I think I think these were people who 566 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: they were, Like we could tell these people onto the 567 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: bus and doesn't looking matter because who cares Yaity isn't 568 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: there for him? I think those are I mean, that's 569 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: certainly like a significant aspect of why like this was 570 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: the one they focused on. But I also think a 571 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: major aspect of it is that it shows and records 572 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: the reaction of other city employees to this, and you 573 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: can see in real time the police putting together um 574 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: story like it's it. There's I think a few things 575 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: about this that are are really unique, but even I 576 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: don't know the it's relatively unusual to have an angle 577 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: which is not like the body camera, right, which really 578 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: I think the violence in this was was captured and 579 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: depicted in a way which was more or explicit than 580 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: you would get many individual cops body camera. And like 581 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: the fact that they most of the time when cops 582 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: kill people, they do it with guns, right or maybe 583 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: to taste sera or something like that. The fact that 584 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: they took minutes, you know, like several minutes to be 585 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: a man to death. It's it is just it should 586 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: We've we've said like how this isn't unusual, and it's not, 587 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean it's not repulsive. No, no, no, 588 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: it's sucking disgusted by it. It's it's nightmarish. Yeah, the 589 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: point is that, yeah, it's it's it's it's even more 590 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: nightmarish considering how common this is, because yes, they did 591 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: spend a few minutes doing this, but it was really 592 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: only I think one or two punches that threw it 593 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: right over the edge, Like it wasn't just a punch. 594 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: Is the thing that I think one of the things 595 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: that I saw that I think was probably critical and 596 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: why he died. No, it was when they tackled him. 597 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: His head bounced against the ground with a significant amount 598 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: of force. There's a number of like a perfect store 599 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: and the factors, right that went into making this the 600 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: incident that they talked about, and like this the incident 601 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: that didn't start two. I guess it's no one particular thing, 602 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: it's all these things that led to it. And I 603 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: do think also, like we have Joe Biden as president, right, 604 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: like a lot of the same bullshit it's still happening 605 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: that we've covered, right, like talking about the cops, talking 606 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: about the border talking about all this stuff, but it's 607 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: not being shoved in people's faces by legacy media outlets. 608 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: Liberal folks have not been getting gradually angry or more 609 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: upset at like the appearance of vulgarity from the White House. 610 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: And and that's also a big aspect of why things 611 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: went the way they did in is you have four 612 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: years of pent up frustration on behalf of the a 613 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: large group of liberals as well. Although I do again, 614 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't like pushing kind of the simple narrative here 615 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: because I see that on the left a lot that like, oh, 616 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: the Libs they stopped coming out because Biden one and 617 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: they never really care. And I think that like that's 618 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: there's certainly like a decent chunk of people who who 619 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: showed up because it was the thing to do and 620 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: we're not committed. But I also think the folks who 621 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: are just like, um, you know, people stopped coming out 622 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: because they suck. That's a that's a little bit of 623 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: a reductive summary of the take. But I think that 624 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: that that broad idea leaves out a lot. One of 625 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: the things that leaves out is that a lot of 626 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: those those Libs and moderates who showed up in got 627 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: the ship beaten out of them and got pretty traumatized, 628 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: and are probably would be willing to get back out again, 629 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: but are going to need to feel like there's a 630 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: an actual chance of doing something because they understand the 631 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: consequences of showing up in the street better. Um, and 632 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: they're like, well, I don't want to do the same 633 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: thing that I just got my ass kicked and there's 634 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: still cops. Um, there is a decent amount of evidence 635 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: that for kind of the long term positive impact of 636 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: getting all those people out in the street and of 637 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: the fact that so many more people in witnessed police 638 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: violence with their own eyes. Um. There's a couple of 639 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: places you can go to look at this, But I 640 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 1: was I was watching going through a recent ABC News 641 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: Washington Post poll that showed that from twenty three confidence 642 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 1: that police treat black and white people equally fell from 643 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: fifty two percent where it was inten to thirty nine 644 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: percent among Americans. UM and confidence that yeah, and confidence 645 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: that police like it's too it's certainly too high, but 646 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: that's a significant change. And confidence that police were adequately 647 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: trained to avoid use of excessive force fell from fifty 648 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: percent to um like and confidence in both of these 649 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: things fell twice as fast from twenty three as it 650 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: did from and that like thirty something percent number is 651 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: just that is also just like close to like the 652 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: number of people who are like active, like like actively 653 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: hardcore racist yeah about the country are biggest. Yeah. Yeah, 654 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: I don't think the election was real. Think that I 655 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: want to quickly mention that, like some of those liberal 656 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: folks as well, like like like this is not we 657 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: don't do like shipping on the lips or whatever. It's 658 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: useless and it doesn't help. But like a lot of 659 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: those folks have been out doing other ship too, Like 660 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: I've seen folks so I haven't seen since twenty like 661 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: trying to protect trans kids, trying trying to stop biggest 662 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: shout and get little children going to the pantomime or 663 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: some ship. Like they've been doing stuff, and that contributes 664 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: of course to people being you know, fatigued from other actions. 665 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: A large part of what I'm seeing people not being 666 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: willing to do anymore is like the same ship that 667 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: they did in twenty that stopped working, right, it didn't 668 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: continue to be effective. Yeah yeah, And I think also 669 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: like this this also, you know there's something actors like 670 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: the weather, like the stuff that was happening in the 671 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: very very like the first week where like I don't know, 672 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: like the cops lost control of like the sid at 673 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: the center of Chicago, right like that. The kind of 674 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: people who did that stuff like aren't really like that. 675 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: Those those those are those those that was not being 676 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: done by people who were sort of like political liberals 677 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: or whatever. That was being done by people who like 678 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: had like very various tenues, very tenuous connection to politics 679 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: at all under normal circumstances. And you know, like eventually 680 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: eventually you'll get will see something like that again. I 681 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: don't know, I mean it took like six six five 682 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: or six years between like Ferguson and like that. That 683 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: will happen again. But there's that kind of that that 684 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of stuff doesn't happen that Like those those like 685 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: the kind of people who actually riot very significantly, who 686 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: are not in the sort of like cadra of like 687 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: hardcore left or organizers, like, they don't throw in that often. 688 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: And a lot of political conditions have to like converge 689 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: exactly correctly for it to happen, and it's just not 690 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: going to happen most of the time. And that's a 691 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: lot of ways, but like you like, that's just that's 692 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: just what reality is. Yeah, I don't think there's been 693 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 1: enough time between cycles in order for things to really 694 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: pick up, because yeah, it does require a lot of 695 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: people to forget, to forget the brutality of what the 696 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: corps did to people, and like and and and and 697 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: and just like material conditions and like recovering from burnout, 698 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: and it creates it. Like one thing that's been so 699 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: incredible about Atlanta is the level of resiliency because they've 700 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: not they've not really stopped since they like they've they've 701 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: kind of they they've they've kept going in a very 702 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: particular way that both like encourages people to take care 703 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: of themselves and not to be treated as disposable. And 704 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: I think a big part of that is having like 705 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: a multi pronct movement, Like the movement isn't it's not 706 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: built around a singular thing like going out and breaking 707 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: windows or even even just like camping in the forest. Like, 708 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: the movement isn't just those things. There's a lot of 709 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: other various aspects. So when you're exhausted from one single thing, 710 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: you can move on to one of the other many 711 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: aspects and like do that as like as your recovery, 712 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: um and and having having that, I think it's contributed 713 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: to the level of resiliency that we've seen. UM, But 714 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: I don't think the rest of the States has those 715 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: types of practices. Like people in Portland are definitely still 716 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: extremely burnt out from from Jesus, and I assume a 717 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of other cities are dealing with 718 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: similar levels of fatigue. One thing I do want to 719 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: address really quickly is the horseshit framing of this by 720 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: legacy media. Again, like the very fucking people who, like 721 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: on the day that Derek Shovin went to Joe retweeted 722 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: that initial statement where Minneapolis p D basically said George 723 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: Floyd died of a heart attack. I think we had 724 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: a cardiac condition or something. Um, the very same people 725 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: who retweeted that statement said never again are we going 726 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: to be calmed by this ship and now out there 727 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,720 Speaker 1: fucking just carrying water for the cops, like CNN saying 728 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: that Tyree Nichols had an encounter with the police, Like 729 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't understand what it fucking takes for these people 730 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: to understand, Like, and I've been like I was on 731 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: NBC this year trying to persuade other NBC journalists too 732 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: maybe critically assess the claim to the police and like, 733 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: here we are again doing the same ship again, and 734 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: we should we should probably close out here soon. But 735 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: one kind of final thought that I've had is the 736 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: other another kind of crucial difference between how this was 737 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: treated as opposed to the George Floyd video is that 738 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: the person who recorded the George Floyd video was like 739 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: a bystander, Like they were just there and they posted 740 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: that on their own accord and it was able to grow. 741 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: It was able to grow traction over the course of 742 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: a few weeks, kind of slowly in like underground um 743 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: like in like underground communities, you know, people who are 744 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: much more aware of police violence, and then that's the 745 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: least seeped out into the mainstream. I think there's a 746 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 1: difference in having that type of actual growth of people 747 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: learning about like hey, did you see this fucked up 748 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: thing that my friends sent me, or like did you 749 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: like like there's that level of like, oh, we found 750 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: this thing that is really fucked up and people need 751 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: to care about this, versus the framing of the police 752 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: and how they used this as like a world premiere 753 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: of this, like of this of this like snuff film. 754 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: It's it's like that there was like a fucking countdown 755 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 1: to to to to to watch the video and that 756 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,479 Speaker 1: that immediately frames this as something to be consumed. That 757 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 1: immediately frames this is something like the way to engage 758 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: with this is to sit down and watch it and 759 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: then you're done. Like that that that that is the 760 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: like they're they're they're framing this the same way that 761 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: you would watch like a movie or like a music 762 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: video drop like that is that is the style of engagement. 763 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: Because this video is being published by the police like 764 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: they are. They are they are from from the very start, 765 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: they're controlling the way that information is distributed. They're controlling 766 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,799 Speaker 1: what information is distribute. Did it like creates this scenario 767 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: where the consumption of the video itself like is the 768 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: event as opposed to any type of like follow up 769 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: action or protest or direct action that instead of that 770 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: being like the action event, the action event is just 771 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: the consumption of the video based on how it was 772 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: hyped up as as this thing that was to be 773 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: like officially released and you like count down for it 774 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,879 Speaker 1: and then you watch it and you're like, Okay, that 775 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: was it, that was the thing. Um, and I think 776 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: that does just really impact it when it's like this, 777 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: like sanctioned premier versus this thing that's spread by regular people. UM. Yeah, 778 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think it kind of became 779 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,959 Speaker 1: the act of penance. Like you watch the video, you say, 780 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: holy funk, that's disgusting, and then like the thing is 781 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 1: already done right like that, the cops are already fired, 782 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: so you just do your penants. You go through the 783 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: painful thing, rather than the George Floyd thing, which was 784 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: like nothing has been done about this. I've got this 785 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: organically from a friend. I'm fucking furious. Yeah. Yeah, I 786 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: think you're right. I think it's very different. Yeah alright, 787 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: well I think that's probably going to do it for 788 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: us today. Um until next time. Uh, I don't know. 789 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: Don't don't let your city name a police elite unit, 790 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: scorpion or anything else. Uh yeah you can tell yeah yeah, 791 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't have special police if. Yeah, I would prefer 792 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 1: no cops. If you're going to have a special police unit, 793 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,760 Speaker 1: maybe call it like the Barney Fife Battalion or something 794 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: like that. Um, at least at least try not to 795 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: hype them up to be scorpions. Yeah. Um, anyway, that 796 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 1: that that that that the fuck. Hi, everyone's James again 797 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: bookend in the episode, and I'm just here to ask 798 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: you again to donate if you have the means, if 799 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: you're able to, to relief for people in Syria who 800 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: are obviously experiencing terrible conser quotation from this earthquake. The 801 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 1: news cycle kind of moves on, but people's lives don't, 802 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: and they still need your help. So a couple of 803 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: places you can donate. 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