WEBVTT - “The 1970 Hearing” 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.560 Camp Hell Anawaki is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.760 The views and opinions express in this podcast are solely 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.760 those of the author and participants and do not necessarily 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.080 represent those of I Heart Media or its employees. Due 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.320 to discussion of traumatic, sexual and violent content, listeners discussion 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:26.960 is advised. In nineteen seventy, the Anawaki Foundation, as it 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.800 was known at the time, was being investigated to see 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:31.920 if it was fit to hold a license as a 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.519 child carrying facility in the State of Georgia, the biggest 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.720 concern being if it's executive, Lewis Petter, was quote a 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:44.360 person of stable and sound judgment. In this episode, you 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.239 will hear excerpts from the nineteen seventy hearing by the 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.879 Georgia Department of Family and Children's Services regarding whether or 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.880 not to revoke the Anawaki Treatment Center's license, performed here 0:00:55.000 --> 0:01:00.480 by voice actors. John H. Hinchi, Assistant Attorney General representing 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:05.200 the State of Georgia, began questioning former counselor Roger Drew Rosel. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.920 What was Dr Petter's position while you were at an Awaki. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.440 He was a general director over the entire camp. Did 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.039 he supervise your activities as a group leader on occasion, Yes, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.160 what do you mean on occasion? I saw very little 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.600 of Dr Petter in so far as instructing me as 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.839 a group leader. There were times when we had problems, 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:32.120 if we had specific problems, or sometimes if he wanted 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.520 to sit in on a group meeting, he would do that. Uh, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.120 this wasn't on a very regular basis. Did you discuss 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.080 your activities on a regular basis with Dr Petter? The 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.680 problems Dr Petter was really more than anybody else. If 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.400 we had a particular problem or something out of the ordinary, 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.800 we would usually end up going to Dr Petter. What 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:56.200 sort of problems are you referring to? When I can 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.840 think of problems with kids? Uh, sexual problems, they were 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:03.760 all most always. Did you discuss any sexual problems with 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:08.880 boys under your supervision with Dr Petter? Yes, Sir, I did. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.480 Would you relate those conversations with Dr Petter? On one occasion, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.320 I went to Dr Petter and told him that had 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.680 come to me told me that he was having sexual 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:24.680 intercourse with He told me that this behavior had gone on. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.399 Who told you? Counselor Roger Rosel was referring to two 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.640 of the boys from in Awaki who were having sexual relations. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.240 Their names have been redacted from this document for their protection, 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.640 told me that he had been sexually involved with that 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.200 At first, he had been doing it just in order 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.640 to have sex. Then he told me that he liked 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.639 and he wanted to have sex because he liked him. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.400 I went to Mr Petter and told him that he 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.680 had come to me, and I didn't know what to 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.600 tell because this was the first time I think that 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.960 I had been confronted directly with one of the boys 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.960 telling me that they were actually involved sexually with another 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.720 boy there in the camp. Mr Petter told me not 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.360 to discourage this behavior. Told me not to discourage what 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.240 kind of behavior, Not to discourage their sexual behavior, but 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.280 to tell them they shouldn't be promiscuous about it. To 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:20.840 encourage this relationship. Mr Petter told me to encourage this relationship. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.679 Over the past several weeks, we have received number of 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.799 very serious allegations concerning both the facility out there in 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.160 a number of individuals involved with him. It was just 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.800 a form of their therapy. They were told to do it, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.880 and at the time he was fourteen and a half 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:44.640 fifteen years old, they didn't know any better. I asked him, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.240 why are you letting this happen? Why are you covering 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.280 up for Louis Patter. He had no answer to that 0:03:49.400 --> 0:04:03.760 question involved having paid little such districle and the contrary 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.680 of what they should. I'm disturbable the fact of something 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.760 that is still going on. And anyway, I'm Josh Stain 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:19.479 and this is Camp Hell an Awake. In our last episode, 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.520 we heard from the foreign patient of an Awake who 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:27.799 had succumbed to Lewis Petter's manipulation and abuse. Now Roger 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:32.480 Roselle's testimony had begun to unravel Petter's pseudo psychological theory 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:38.039 regarding sexual practices. Rozel claimed that Petter had been encouraging 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.400 sexual relations between the boys on campus as well as 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:46.720 with counselors. Assistant Attorney General John Hinchy continued his questioning 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:51.479 of the former counselor. Did you have any other conversations 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.560 with Dr Petter about this particular theory of his. It 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.040 wasn't too long before I left an Awake. Mr Petter 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.159 was talking to me in the office of the camp. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.960 I've been thinking about leaving. Mr Petter told me that 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:09.200 I was suffering from homosexual fear. And I asked him 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.760 what this was. He told me that I was afraid 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.440 that I was a homosexual, but that I could work 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.719 this out. He told me that I needed to work 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:21.520 this out. Could you tell us about that in detail? Well, 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.560 in the same conversation, Mr. Petter told me that he 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.960 would be willing to work it through, that he had 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.880 to find out that he could trust me. And at 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.039 the same time, he brought up the point that I 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:37.240 had been in the police department. Roselle had formerly worked 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.279 for the Atlanta Police, where he left after admitting to 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.040 filing a false police report, a stain on his professional career. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.800 Apparently Petter knew this and made sure that rosel knew it. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.520 He told me that he was aware of this the 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.120 entire time I had been employed by him, and asked 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.200 me if I knew that he was aware of this. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.160 I told him I was. Then he said, see, you 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.200 can trust me. I knew this all along, and yet 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.360 I still let you work here. Now you need to 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.000 let me trust you, and you have to prove it 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.480 that I can trust you. At this time, I said, 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.320 all right, I'll prove it, and he shut the blinds 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.719 in the room and the curtain and I went over 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.360 and hugged him. You went over and what and he 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.799 hugged me. He tried to kiss me, but I turned 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.000 my head, or it appeared to me that he was 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.520 going to kiss me. Is this the only time that 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.440 something like that happened? No, sir. Another time we had 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.080 gone to Franklin, North Carolina to a gym show. One 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.080 of the boys was with us, and on the return 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.640 trip he was asleep in the back seat. Well before 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.159 the return trip we had stopped to eat something there 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.320 in Franklin. He kept suggesting that we stay in the 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.919 motel there and I said, no, we can go ahead 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.800 and make the trip back tonight. On the way back, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.000 while the boy was asleep in the back, Mr Petter 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.920 put his hand on my neck and rubbed my neck. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.960 Later he dropped his hand on my leg close to 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.960 my groin and rubbed my leg there. The boy awoke 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.160 about that time, and did Petter do anything when he 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:15.360 woke up, He moved his hand. Charles Edwards cross examination 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.440 that followed attempted to further smear Roselle's reputation by grilling 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:25.000 him about using illicit drugs, specifically marijuana. Rosel said he 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.760 had never used any legal drug before in his life. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.240 Edwards leaves Rosel with a final remembrance of his failed 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.960 police career. When you went down to the police department. 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.800 You took an oath, didn't you, Yes, sir? I did? 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.360 You took an oath to uphold the law and do 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.960 your duty? Isn't that right? Yes, sir? You violated that oath, 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:52.040 didn't you, Yes, sir. Attorney for the state, John Hinchy 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.880 requested to ask a few more questions. Did Dr Petter 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.840 know about this police report before you came to work 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:04.320 at Unawaki? Did not tell Dr Petter myself, but Dr 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.640 Petter did tell me later on that he was aware 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.040 of it and had been aware of it since the 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.440 time of my employment. Did he ever say anything to 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.880 you about this report? It was during the time when 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.800 I wanted to leave the camp. I had signed an 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.640 agreement that said that if I left the camp at 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.080 any time within two years, I would have to pay 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.240 a certain amount of money for training I received. I 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.840 was going to leave anyway. Mr Petter told me that 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.760 if I left the camp that he would have to 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.600 inform any employers that might seek him as a reference 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.960 of my problems, and that this would include the police department. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.160 Mr Petter said that I had done this as a 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.959 result of homosexual fear, and told me that if I 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.960 would bring him in writing a letter from a psychologist 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.720 or a psychiatrist saying that I was under treatment for 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:55.120 homosexual fear, that he would let it go. According to 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.960 rosel Petter extended power over his staff, just as he 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.720 did the patients at Awake. If anyone chose to leave, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.280 they could be indebted to him financially, and Petter would 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.320 be sure to have something to hold over their head. 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.160 Not only did Roselle alleged that Petter was using the 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.439 false police report as leverage, but that he even had 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.400 the gall to request a written letter from a psychologist 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.560 admitting and writing that Roselle was guilty of the exact 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.520 prognosis Petter claimed for all of the crimes which Louis 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.960 Petter was accused of. He had a backup plan and 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.440 seemed willing to use anything he could against anyone who 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:58.800 claimed otherwise. In its case against an Awake, the state 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.360 had interviewed students who claimed to have been abused by 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.680 Petter and a staff member who testified to witnessing this 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:09.200 type of behavior as well as being personally threatened. The 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.720 next witness would be another unnamed patient who alleged he 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.160 was included in Petter's inner circle, the small group of 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.800 patients who would stay at Petter's house on the weekend, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:24.560 basically living with their abuser. Are you acquainted with Dr 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.840 Lewis Petter, the respondent in this proceeding, Yes, I am. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.920 Have you ever engaged in sexual activities while at an 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:36.360 awaking yes? Did you have any sexual relations with Dr 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.719 Petter while you were there? Yes? Yes I did? And 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:44.400 when was the first occasion? Paulson must have been six 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:49.280 or seven months after I was there. Can you describe 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:54.360 that occasion and what happened first? Started off came in, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.839 You know, I was at the camp and it was 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.719 said that I could go to Dr Petter's house and 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.160 that there was a girl there that I could date 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:10.360 that night with and Mr Petter's daughter, which was Rita. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.400 So while I was in there taking a shower, this 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.920 was when I was first confronted with it. I was 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:22.000 kind of played around with that was the first thing. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.800 And what happened on medication. I was in there at 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:31.200 the sink and Mr Pettick came in and started fumbling 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.400 around with me. You just started rubbing me all over 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:40.120 and things of this nature, and just kind of laughing 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:45.640 and smiling. Did he say anything? He said, you're a 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.719 good boy, and things like this. Did you try to 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:55.480 run away? I was more or less frozen. This is 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.640 right when I get out the shower and I was shaving, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.079 I put down my shorts and just walked out. Can 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:08.840 you describe what happened on the second occasion? I couldn't 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.240 exactly list them in in a complete order or anything. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.120 There are many occasions. I can explain occasions to you. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:22.400 How many occasions it must have been ten, eleven, twelve 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.600 on up there. What did Petter do on these numerous 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:33.600 occasions that you just mentioned, pash, debating, fondling, I guess 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:38.360 you would say, kissing, this stuff. Did he ask you 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:42.320 voluntarily to do this with him? He always approached me 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.000 like you've been rejecting me for a week or two, 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:49.319 and I like to know why, and things like this. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.520 This was the way it would first begin. And then 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.640 he would say something like, well, why don't we just 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.040 go in here in the bathroom. It's something of this nature. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.280 Another approach was, you know you have a homosexual problem 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.679 that you need to work through. The only way you 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.480 can work through this is having one masculine image around 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:16.760 you all the time. This patient's experience reflects much of 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.120 what we heard in the first testimony. By this account, 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.360 Petter was convinced that nothing would come of his behavior, 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.120 so blatant has to even partaken this abuse in his 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:32.720 own home with his wife and daughters in the next room. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.400 Did you ever tell anyone else at the camp about 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:40.000 these incidents with Dr Petter? No? I didn't. Did you 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.720 ever try to put a stop to them? I was 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:47.080 always more or less just I would do my best 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.360 to reject them. What would you do? I go around 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.880 like at the camp or something of someone said Doc 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.360 was on the campus, I would leave or something like that. 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.480 During this time I was living with them, I kept 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.640 more or less to myself or Wayne Petter, who was there. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:10.760 Wayne was Louis Petter's adopted son. I just do my 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.200 best to reject it. Then, if I was up watching 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.640 a late show or something, everybody else would go to bed, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.040 you know, and then Mrr Petter and I would be 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.680 in there. I started to go to bed, and he 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:29.200 would start his routine over again, where generally did these 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:33.920 incidents occur with Dr Petter in his office? Yes, one 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:38.120 occasion was in was in his office. That was the 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.600 only one in his office. The rest of these were 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.160 at his home. Some members of the hearing panel had 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.800 questions about this part of the testimony. How old were 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.920 you during this time? I was about fourteen when I 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.800 when I first went out there, I'm nineteen. Now. How 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.600 long did you live there? About two years? Did you 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.960 think that moving in the house Lewis Petter would make 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.160 it more convenient for him to do these things? I figured, 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.720 you know that maybe how it's wrong, Maybe it was 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.480 nothing I was. I was so confused, and I admit 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.480 I was emotionally upset quite a bit. I just I 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.080 wanted a family situation. That was the best way and 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.720 the only way I knew to get one. You put 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.760 up with it just to get to live there, That's right. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.920 One issue that came up in this hearing was that 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.240 this patient had signed two separate affidavits in regards to 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:37.320 Dr Petter. When did you sign the first one? I 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.200 signed the first one for him. I don't know exactly 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.160 what data was, but it was in Mr Edward's office. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:48.680 Do you remember the circumstances when you signed this affidavit. Yes, 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.520 the way I gather it is that Roger In and 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:57.320 Bob Akistino were filing suit on him, a million dollars suit. 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.720 How did you find out about that? Was told this 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.200 by whom by Dr Petter and by the whole Petter 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.280 family at the time I was living there, that and 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.200 in all some sort of homosexual acts that they were 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.840 going to try to prove that he had participated in. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.360 And so Colonel Parker and members of the board, several 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.800 of them came out to the administration building and awake, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.920 and Dr Petter was going to discuss this with them. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.120 So I was on campus and knew that they were 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.680 going to be out there in the whole. While I 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.160 was going up there, he told me if I wanted 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:34.920 to help him out, the best thing I could do 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:41.680 was they asked any questions about, say that I participating 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:46.240 in masturbating with him, say five or six times, something 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:50.960 like this. The patient is referring to another boy from 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:55.600 an awake his name also redacted for protection. The patient 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.800 claims Petter again shifted the blame for his actions to 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:03.920 another student onto someone else. Have you ever participated in 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:10.080 masturbating with No, I have not go on. So he 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.240 said they were going to try to wreck his home, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:17.960 his family and Antawaki itself. Who was Bob Dugustino Roger 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:22.240 in this is way? He had told me. So he said, 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.560 you go in there. You know they're gonna call you 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.760 in and they're gonna ask you questions. And he said 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:34.119 that placed this in my answers when asked about that, 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.720 was that was the main thing. Did he offer you 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.080 any favor or payment of money for doing this? No? 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.840 All he said was, you know, if things work out right, 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.720 you'll still be able to go to college. You'll still 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.680 have a home anytime you want it, have a home 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:57.000 with home him. Did you sign the affidavits? Yes? I did. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.640 Did you sign any other affidavits? Yes. Right after that, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.560 it was on November the six, I got to thinking 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.439 about the whole situation, you know, I mean, really just 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.280 how wrong it was because I never had any sexual 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:20.320 acts or anybody else anyone out there on the campus 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.679 as far as that was concerned. So I started feeling 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.920 guilty about it. So if there was gonna be a suit, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:33.000 I figured, heck, why not tell the truth. At first, 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.080 I just want to stay out of it. But then 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.920 I had already gotten in it. So I signed affidavit 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:44.960 for Bob Dextino. Did you sign any later affidavits? Yes? 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.879 After that I resigned one for Dr Pettick. Why did 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.919 you do that? Because I started being pressured by my 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.960 peers and things like that. When all this mess started 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.280 up about the court stuff, I was completely rejected and 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:04.240 thrown aside head. It just really upset me. So then 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.080 I resigned for Dr petterck. Where did you do that? 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.159 It was in the Sheriff's office of Douglas Field that 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.719 I signed it, wrote it out, dictated it, and then 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:19.000 O'Barry wrote it out and and I signed it. Was 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.359 it the truth? I'm referring to the third affidavit you 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:27.359 signed and Sheriff Abercrombie's office. No, what is the truth? 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.440 Would you tell us now? The truth? As far as 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:36.639 this whole thing goes, I know you know I've done 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.480 homosexual acts with Dr Petter and I know of him 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.000 doing them. There are people on both sides that I 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:49.720 care about. Ends just it confused, mixed up thing. I 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.919 really just don't want to have any more to do 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.920 with it because there's too many people getting hurt in it. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.000 And there's too many of my friends and things of 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.480 this nature that just getting all torn up with it. 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.680 Why did you decide to tell us the truth? Because 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.560 I wanted it to be the end of it. I'm 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:36.639 tired of hearing about it. M State Attorney John Hinchy 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.280 had laid out the testimonies of multiple patients of an 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.440 Awaki who alleged that they were the victims of Louis 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:48.040 Petter's abuse, both mental and physical. Hinchi showed Petter's efforts 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.879 to cover himself with false affidavits from current patients and 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.800 pointed to Petter's arrogance in the face of being questioned. 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.840 Anawaki had attempted to discredit its former patients, using the 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:04.160 knowledge gleaned from their own medical records against them. Now 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.400 it was time for Charles Edwards to do damage control 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:12.080 on Inawak's behalf. What transpired is a series of testimonies 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.400 from friends of Lewis Petter, who, in their eyes, could 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.919 do no wrong. The following is just one example of 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.119 a friend of Petters who was willing to vouch for 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:27.240 his character. Would you state your name for the hearing committee, please, 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:32.960 Sir John J. Purple Jr. Do you know Dr Pettter? Yes, sir? 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:38.440 How long have you known him? Since nineteen one? Can 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.560 you state what his character is in the community in 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:45.640 which he lives in works? In my experience, it's been 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.720 above reproach. I've had dealings with him professionally. Are you 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.400 familiar with the charges that have been brought against Dr 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:58.000 Petti concerning homosexual activities? I know nothing about specific charges. 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:01.399 I just know in the general sense. And do you 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.240 know him well enough that if you had a teenage 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.640 son who was emotionally disturbed, even though charges like these 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:11.080 had been made, would you have any hesitation of still 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.840 sending that son to the center out there for treatment? 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:20.040 I would have no hesitation whatsoever. That is all State 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:25.600 Attorney John HINCHI began his cross examination. If the charges 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.880 against Dr Petter were true, would your opinion of him change? 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.560 I can't see how they could be true. I have 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.879 never had any reason to believe I understand, But if 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:41.560 they were proven true, would your opinion of him change? 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:44.760 Let's back up a minute. I'm not familiar with the 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:49.000 charges the charging question that this hearing is and I 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.840 quote and awake, he maybe in violation of the minimum 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:57.719 requirement applicable to child carrying institutions, requiring that the executive 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:01.159 in every instance be a person of state able sound 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:06.360 judgment whose integrity is above reproach, and that Louis J. Petter, 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:12.920 executive director, is reported to have had immral ellicit relationships 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.520 consisting of homosexual acts with one or more of the 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.600 boys who have been patients or students of this child 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:25.520 caring institution, and has further condoned the practices of homosexual 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:30.800 acts between other boys at this institution. Now, if this 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:35.080 charge were proven true, would your opinion of Dr Petter change? 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.159 Or in the alternative, would you send your son to 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:41.840 Anna Wake he with Dr Petter as the director. I 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.800 would be quite surprised if this could be proven true. 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.800 I still believe that Lewis Petter could help my son, 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.600 even if such charges could be substantiated. Even if the 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:55.399 charges could be substantiated and be proven true, you think 0:23:55.600 --> 0:24:01.679 he could help your son. Yes, even if Petter had 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:05.400 been practicing sexual acts with the children at Anawaki, this 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:08.199 man claimed he would still put his own son in 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:12.520 Petter's control. Many of in Aweki's witnesses would be asked 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:17.320 the same series of questions, each corroborating Petter's remarkable character. 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.440 One thing that seemed clear from this series of testimonies 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.879 is petters strong ties to the community in Douglasville and 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.520 his assurance to keep himself in a good light to 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.800 the people that mattered. Edwards next witness would be sure 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.240 to make an impression on the panel. From the Department 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:39.200 of Family and Children's Services, Petter's old friend, Jim Parham. 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.400 Parham had served as the director of de Facts from 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:48.760 nineteen sixty three to nineteen sixty seven. Would you state 0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:52.600 your name for the hearing committee, Thomas M. Jim Parham. 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.240 What kind of work are you in or profession? Well, 0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:59.880 I'm a social worker. I'm a professional social worker by training, 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.960 and I'm a correction specialist in the Institute of Government 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:06.280 at the University of Georgia. I'm also an assistant professor 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.800 in the School of Social Work and School of Sociology. Now, 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.560 in the nineteen fifties, where were you employed. I was 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:16.520 employed at the Fulton County Juvenile Court up until nineteen 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.600 fifty seven, and then I worked with Mr Petter at 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:23.359 the Savannah Chatham County Juvenile Domestic Relations Court till fifty 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:27.639 nine and subsequently at other places. Is that where you 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:32.320 first became acquainted with Dr Petter? Yes, In the late forties, 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.919 he was a probation officer and subsequently a psychologist at 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:39.280 the juvenile Court. I was a detention home attendant at 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.879 night while I was at Emory, and when I graduated 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.280 from Memory, I took a job as a probation officer. 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.440 He and I worked together quite frequently from fifty one 0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.240 until fifty five, at which time I went off to 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.600 graduate school on leave of absence. When I returned, he 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:55.840 was negotiating for a job to set up the first 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.239 combined juvenile domestic court in Georgia. He asked me if 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.240 I would be interested it and going along with him. 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:03.920 I did go, and we worked together for two years 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.960 and setting up that court. And did you work closely 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.879