1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Camp Hell Anawaki is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: The views and opinions express in this podcast are solely 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: those of the author and participants and do not necessarily 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: represent those of I Heart Media or its employees. Due 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: to discussion of traumatic, sexual and violent content, listeners discussion 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: is advised. In nineteen seventy, the Anawaki Foundation, as it 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: was known at the time, was being investigated to see 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: if it was fit to hold a license as a 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: child carrying facility in the State of Georgia, the biggest 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: concern being if it's executive, Lewis Petter, was quote a 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: person of stable and sound judgment. In this episode, you 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: will hear excerpts from the nineteen seventy hearing by the 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: Georgia Department of Family and Children's Services regarding whether or 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: not to revoke the Anawaki Treatment Center's license, performed here 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: by voice actors. John H. Hinchi, Assistant Attorney General representing 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: the State of Georgia, began questioning former counselor Roger Drew Rosel. 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: What was Dr Petter's position while you were at an Awaki. 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: He was a general director over the entire camp. Did 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: he supervise your activities as a group leader on occasion, Yes, 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: what do you mean on occasion? I saw very little 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: of Dr Petter in so far as instructing me as 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: a group leader. There were times when we had problems, 23 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: if we had specific problems, or sometimes if he wanted 24 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: to sit in on a group meeting, he would do that. Uh, 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: this wasn't on a very regular basis. Did you discuss 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: your activities on a regular basis with Dr Petter? The 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: problems Dr Petter was really more than anybody else. If 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: we had a particular problem or something out of the ordinary, 29 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: we would usually end up going to Dr Petter. What 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: sort of problems are you referring to? When I can 31 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: think of problems with kids? Uh, sexual problems, they were 32 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: all most always. Did you discuss any sexual problems with 33 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: boys under your supervision with Dr Petter? Yes, Sir, I did. 34 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: Would you relate those conversations with Dr Petter? On one occasion, 35 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: I went to Dr Petter and told him that had 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: come to me told me that he was having sexual 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: intercourse with He told me that this behavior had gone on. 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 1: Who told you? Counselor Roger Rosel was referring to two 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: of the boys from in Awaki who were having sexual relations. 40 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: Their names have been redacted from this document for their protection, 41 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: told me that he had been sexually involved with that 42 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: At first, he had been doing it just in order 43 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: to have sex. Then he told me that he liked 44 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: and he wanted to have sex because he liked him. 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: I went to Mr Petter and told him that he 46 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: had come to me, and I didn't know what to 47 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: tell because this was the first time I think that 48 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: I had been confronted directly with one of the boys 49 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: telling me that they were actually involved sexually with another 50 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: boy there in the camp. Mr Petter told me not 51 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: to discourage this behavior. Told me not to discourage what 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: kind of behavior, Not to discourage their sexual behavior, but 53 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: to tell them they shouldn't be promiscuous about it. To 54 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: encourage this relationship. Mr Petter told me to encourage this relationship. 55 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: Over the past several weeks, we have received number of 56 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: very serious allegations concerning both the facility out there in 57 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: a number of individuals involved with him. It was just 58 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: a form of their therapy. They were told to do it, 59 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: and at the time he was fourteen and a half 60 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: fifteen years old, they didn't know any better. I asked him, 61 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: why are you letting this happen? Why are you covering 62 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: up for Louis Patter. He had no answer to that 63 00:03:49,400 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: question involved having paid little such districle and the contrary 64 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: of what they should. I'm disturbable the fact of something 65 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: that is still going on. And anyway, I'm Josh Stain 66 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: and this is Camp Hell an Awake. In our last episode, 67 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: we heard from the foreign patient of an Awake who 68 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 1: had succumbed to Lewis Petter's manipulation and abuse. Now Roger 69 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: Roselle's testimony had begun to unravel Petter's pseudo psychological theory 70 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: regarding sexual practices. Rozel claimed that Petter had been encouraging 71 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: sexual relations between the boys on campus as well as 72 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: with counselors. Assistant Attorney General John Hinchy continued his questioning 73 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: of the former counselor. Did you have any other conversations 74 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: with Dr Petter about this particular theory of his. It 75 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: wasn't too long before I left an Awake. Mr Petter 76 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: was talking to me in the office of the camp. 77 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about leaving. Mr Petter told me that 78 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: I was suffering from homosexual fear. And I asked him 79 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: what this was. He told me that I was afraid 80 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: that I was a homosexual, but that I could work 81 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: this out. He told me that I needed to work 82 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: this out. Could you tell us about that in detail? Well, 83 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: in the same conversation, Mr. Petter told me that he 84 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: would be willing to work it through, that he had 85 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: to find out that he could trust me. And at 86 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: the same time, he brought up the point that I 87 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: had been in the police department. Roselle had formerly worked 88 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Police, where he left after admitting to 89 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: filing a false police report, a stain on his professional career. 90 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: Apparently Petter knew this and made sure that rosel knew it. 91 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: He told me that he was aware of this the 92 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: entire time I had been employed by him, and asked 93 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: me if I knew that he was aware of this. 94 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: I told him I was. Then he said, see, you 95 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: can trust me. I knew this all along, and yet 96 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: I still let you work here. Now you need to 97 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: let me trust you, and you have to prove it 98 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: that I can trust you. At this time, I said, 99 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: all right, I'll prove it, and he shut the blinds 100 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: in the room and the curtain and I went over 101 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: and hugged him. You went over and what and he 102 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: hugged me. He tried to kiss me, but I turned 103 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: my head, or it appeared to me that he was 104 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: going to kiss me. Is this the only time that 105 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: something like that happened? No, sir. Another time we had 106 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: gone to Franklin, North Carolina to a gym show. One 107 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: of the boys was with us, and on the return 108 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: trip he was asleep in the back seat. Well before 109 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: the return trip we had stopped to eat something there 110 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: in Franklin. He kept suggesting that we stay in the 111 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: motel there and I said, no, we can go ahead 112 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: and make the trip back tonight. On the way back, 113 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: while the boy was asleep in the back, Mr Petter 114 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: put his hand on my neck and rubbed my neck. 115 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Later he dropped his hand on my leg close to 116 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: my groin and rubbed my leg there. The boy awoke 117 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: about that time, and did Petter do anything when he 118 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: woke up, He moved his hand. Charles Edwards cross examination 119 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: that followed attempted to further smear Roselle's reputation by grilling 120 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: him about using illicit drugs, specifically marijuana. Rosel said he 121 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: had never used any legal drug before in his life. 122 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: Edwards leaves Rosel with a final remembrance of his failed 123 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: police career. When you went down to the police department. 124 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: You took an oath, didn't you, Yes, sir? I did? 125 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: You took an oath to uphold the law and do 126 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: your duty? Isn't that right? Yes, sir? You violated that oath, 127 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: didn't you, Yes, sir. Attorney for the state, John Hinchy 128 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: requested to ask a few more questions. Did Dr Petter 129 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: know about this police report before you came to work 130 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: at Unawaki? Did not tell Dr Petter myself, but Dr 131 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: Petter did tell me later on that he was aware 132 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: of it and had been aware of it since the 133 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: time of my employment. Did he ever say anything to 134 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: you about this report? It was during the time when 135 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to leave the camp. I had signed an 136 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: agreement that said that if I left the camp at 137 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: any time within two years, I would have to pay 138 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: a certain amount of money for training I received. I 139 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: was going to leave anyway. Mr Petter told me that 140 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: if I left the camp that he would have to 141 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: inform any employers that might seek him as a reference 142 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: of my problems, and that this would include the police department. 143 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: Mr Petter said that I had done this as a 144 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: result of homosexual fear, and told me that if I 145 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: would bring him in writing a letter from a psychologist 146 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: or a psychiatrist saying that I was under treatment for 147 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: homosexual fear, that he would let it go. According to 148 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: rosel Petter extended power over his staff, just as he 149 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: did the patients at Awake. If anyone chose to leave, 150 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: they could be indebted to him financially, and Petter would 151 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: be sure to have something to hold over their head. 152 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: Not only did Roselle alleged that Petter was using the 153 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: false police report as leverage, but that he even had 154 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: the gall to request a written letter from a psychologist 155 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: admitting and writing that Roselle was guilty of the exact 156 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: prognosis Petter claimed for all of the crimes which Louis 157 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: Petter was accused of. He had a backup plan and 158 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: seemed willing to use anything he could against anyone who 159 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: claimed otherwise. In its case against an Awake, the state 160 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: had interviewed students who claimed to have been abused by 161 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: Petter and a staff member who testified to witnessing this 162 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: type of behavior as well as being personally threatened. The 163 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: next witness would be another unnamed patient who alleged he 164 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: was included in Petter's inner circle, the small group of 165 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: patients who would stay at Petter's house on the weekend, 166 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: basically living with their abuser. Are you acquainted with Dr 167 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: Lewis Petter, the respondent in this proceeding, Yes, I am. 168 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever engaged in sexual activities while at an 169 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: awaking yes? Did you have any sexual relations with Dr 170 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: Petter while you were there? Yes? Yes I did? And 171 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: when was the first occasion? Paulson must have been six 172 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: or seven months after I was there. Can you describe 173 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: that occasion and what happened first? Started off came in, 174 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: You know, I was at the camp and it was 175 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: said that I could go to Dr Petter's house and 176 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: that there was a girl there that I could date 177 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: that night with and Mr Petter's daughter, which was Rita. 178 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: So while I was in there taking a shower, this 179 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: was when I was first confronted with it. I was 180 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: kind of played around with that was the first thing. 181 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: And what happened on medication. I was in there at 182 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: the sink and Mr Pettick came in and started fumbling 183 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: around with me. You just started rubbing me all over 184 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: and things of this nature, and just kind of laughing 185 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: and smiling. Did he say anything? He said, you're a 186 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: good boy, and things like this. Did you try to 187 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: run away? I was more or less frozen. This is 188 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: right when I get out the shower and I was shaving, 189 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: I put down my shorts and just walked out. Can 190 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: you describe what happened on the second occasion? I couldn't 191 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: exactly list them in in a complete order or anything. 192 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: There are many occasions. I can explain occasions to you. 193 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: How many occasions it must have been ten, eleven, twelve 194 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: on up there. What did Petter do on these numerous 195 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: occasions that you just mentioned, pash, debating, fondling, I guess 196 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: you would say, kissing, this stuff. Did he ask you 197 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: voluntarily to do this with him? He always approached me 198 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: like you've been rejecting me for a week or two, 199 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: and I like to know why, and things like this. 200 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: This was the way it would first begin. And then 201 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: he would say something like, well, why don't we just 202 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: go in here in the bathroom. It's something of this nature. 203 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: Another approach was, you know you have a homosexual problem 204 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: that you need to work through. The only way you 205 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: can work through this is having one masculine image around 206 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: you all the time. This patient's experience reflects much of 207 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: what we heard in the first testimony. By this account, 208 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Petter was convinced that nothing would come of his behavior, 209 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: so blatant has to even partaken this abuse in his 210 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: own home with his wife and daughters in the next room. 211 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: Did you ever tell anyone else at the camp about 212 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: these incidents with Dr Petter? No? I didn't. Did you 213 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: ever try to put a stop to them? I was 214 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: always more or less just I would do my best 215 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: to reject them. What would you do? I go around 216 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: like at the camp or something of someone said Doc 217 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: was on the campus, I would leave or something like that. 218 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: During this time I was living with them, I kept 219 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: more or less to myself or Wayne Petter, who was there. 220 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: Wayne was Louis Petter's adopted son. I just do my 221 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: best to reject it. Then, if I was up watching 222 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: a late show or something, everybody else would go to bed, 223 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, and then Mrr Petter and I would be 224 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: in there. I started to go to bed, and he 225 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: would start his routine over again, where generally did these 226 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: incidents occur with Dr Petter in his office? Yes, one 227 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: occasion was in was in his office. That was the 228 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: only one in his office. The rest of these were 229 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: at his home. Some members of the hearing panel had 230 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: questions about this part of the testimony. How old were 231 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: you during this time? I was about fourteen when I 232 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: when I first went out there, I'm nineteen. Now. How 233 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: long did you live there? About two years? Did you 234 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: think that moving in the house Lewis Petter would make 235 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: it more convenient for him to do these things? I figured, 236 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: you know that maybe how it's wrong, Maybe it was 237 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: nothing I was. I was so confused, and I admit 238 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: I was emotionally upset quite a bit. I just I 239 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: wanted a family situation. That was the best way and 240 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: the only way I knew to get one. You put 241 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: up with it just to get to live there, That's right. 242 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: One issue that came up in this hearing was that 243 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: this patient had signed two separate affidavits in regards to 244 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: Dr Petter. When did you sign the first one? I 245 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: signed the first one for him. I don't know exactly 246 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: what data was, but it was in Mr Edward's office. 247 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: Do you remember the circumstances when you signed this affidavit. Yes, 248 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: the way I gather it is that Roger In and 249 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: Bob Akistino were filing suit on him, a million dollars suit. 250 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: How did you find out about that? Was told this 251 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: by whom by Dr Petter and by the whole Petter 252 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: family at the time I was living there, that and 253 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: in all some sort of homosexual acts that they were 254 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: going to try to prove that he had participated in. 255 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: And so Colonel Parker and members of the board, several 256 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: of them came out to the administration building and awake, 257 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: and Dr Petter was going to discuss this with them. 258 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: So I was on campus and knew that they were 259 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: going to be out there in the whole. While I 260 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: was going up there, he told me if I wanted 261 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: to help him out, the best thing I could do 262 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: was they asked any questions about, say that I participating 263 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: in masturbating with him, say five or six times, something 264 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: like this. The patient is referring to another boy from 265 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: an awake his name also redacted for protection. The patient 266 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: claims Petter again shifted the blame for his actions to 267 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: another student onto someone else. Have you ever participated in 268 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: masturbating with No, I have not go on. So he 269 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: said they were going to try to wreck his home, 270 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: his family and Antawaki itself. Who was Bob Dugustino Roger 271 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: in this is way? He had told me. So he said, 272 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: you go in there. You know they're gonna call you 273 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: in and they're gonna ask you questions. And he said 274 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: that placed this in my answers when asked about that, 275 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: was that was the main thing. Did he offer you 276 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: any favor or payment of money for doing this? No? 277 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: All he said was, you know, if things work out right, 278 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: you'll still be able to go to college. You'll still 279 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: have a home anytime you want it, have a home 280 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: with home him. Did you sign the affidavits? Yes? I did. 281 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: Did you sign any other affidavits? Yes. Right after that, 282 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: it was on November the six, I got to thinking 283 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: about the whole situation, you know, I mean, really just 284 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: how wrong it was because I never had any sexual 285 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: acts or anybody else anyone out there on the campus 286 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: as far as that was concerned. So I started feeling 287 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: guilty about it. So if there was gonna be a suit, 288 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: I figured, heck, why not tell the truth. At first, 289 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: I just want to stay out of it. But then 290 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: I had already gotten in it. So I signed affidavit 291 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: for Bob Dextino. Did you sign any later affidavits? Yes? 292 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: After that I resigned one for Dr Pettick. Why did 293 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: you do that? Because I started being pressured by my 294 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: peers and things like that. When all this mess started 295 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: up about the court stuff, I was completely rejected and 296 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: thrown aside head. It just really upset me. So then 297 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: I resigned for Dr petterck. Where did you do that? 298 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: It was in the Sheriff's office of Douglas Field that 299 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: I signed it, wrote it out, dictated it, and then 300 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: O'Barry wrote it out and and I signed it. Was 301 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: it the truth? I'm referring to the third affidavit you 302 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: signed and Sheriff Abercrombie's office. No, what is the truth? 303 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: Would you tell us now? The truth? As far as 304 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: this whole thing goes, I know you know I've done 305 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: homosexual acts with Dr Petter and I know of him 306 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: doing them. There are people on both sides that I 307 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: care about. Ends just it confused, mixed up thing. I 308 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: really just don't want to have any more to do 309 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: with it because there's too many people getting hurt in it. 310 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: And there's too many of my friends and things of 311 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: this nature that just getting all torn up with it. 312 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: Why did you decide to tell us the truth? Because 313 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: I wanted it to be the end of it. I'm 314 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: tired of hearing about it. M State Attorney John Hinchy 315 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: had laid out the testimonies of multiple patients of an 316 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: Awaki who alleged that they were the victims of Louis 317 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Petter's abuse, both mental and physical. Hinchi showed Petter's efforts 318 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: to cover himself with false affidavits from current patients and 319 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: pointed to Petter's arrogance in the face of being questioned. 320 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: Anawaki had attempted to discredit its former patients, using the 321 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: knowledge gleaned from their own medical records against them. Now 322 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: it was time for Charles Edwards to do damage control 323 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: on Inawak's behalf. What transpired is a series of testimonies 324 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: from friends of Lewis Petter, who, in their eyes, could 325 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: do no wrong. The following is just one example of 326 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: a friend of Petters who was willing to vouch for 327 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: his character. Would you state your name for the hearing committee, please, 328 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: Sir John J. Purple Jr. Do you know Dr Pettter? Yes, sir? 329 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: How long have you known him? Since nineteen one? Can 330 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: you state what his character is in the community in 331 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: which he lives in works? In my experience, it's been 332 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: above reproach. I've had dealings with him professionally. Are you 333 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: familiar with the charges that have been brought against Dr 334 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: Petti concerning homosexual activities? I know nothing about specific charges. 335 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: I just know in the general sense. And do you 336 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: know him well enough that if you had a teenage 337 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: son who was emotionally disturbed, even though charges like these 338 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: had been made, would you have any hesitation of still 339 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: sending that son to the center out there for treatment? 340 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: I would have no hesitation whatsoever. That is all State 341 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: Attorney John HINCHI began his cross examination. If the charges 342 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: against Dr Petter were true, would your opinion of him change? 343 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: I can't see how they could be true. I have 344 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: never had any reason to believe I understand, But if 345 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: they were proven true, would your opinion of him change? 346 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: Let's back up a minute. I'm not familiar with the 347 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: charges the charging question that this hearing is and I 348 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: quote and awake, he maybe in violation of the minimum 349 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 1: requirement applicable to child carrying institutions, requiring that the executive 350 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: in every instance be a person of state able sound 351 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: judgment whose integrity is above reproach, and that Louis J. Petter, 352 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: executive director, is reported to have had immral ellicit relationships 353 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: consisting of homosexual acts with one or more of the 354 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: boys who have been patients or students of this child 355 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: caring institution, and has further condoned the practices of homosexual 356 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: acts between other boys at this institution. Now, if this 357 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: charge were proven true, would your opinion of Dr Petter change? 358 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: Or in the alternative, would you send your son to 359 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: Anna Wake he with Dr Petter as the director. I 360 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: would be quite surprised if this could be proven true. 361 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: I still believe that Lewis Petter could help my son, 362 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: even if such charges could be substantiated. Even if the 363 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: charges could be substantiated and be proven true, you think 364 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: he could help your son. Yes, even if Petter had 365 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: been practicing sexual acts with the children at Anawaki, this 366 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: man claimed he would still put his own son in 367 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: Petter's control. Many of in Aweki's witnesses would be asked 368 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: the same series of questions, each corroborating Petter's remarkable character. 369 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: One thing that seemed clear from this series of testimonies 370 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: is petters strong ties to the community in Douglasville and 371 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: his assurance to keep himself in a good light to 372 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: the people that mattered. Edwards next witness would be sure 373 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: to make an impression on the panel. From the Department 374 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: of Family and Children's Services, Petter's old friend, Jim Parham. 375 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: Parham had served as the director of de Facts from 376 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three to nineteen sixty seven. Would you state 377 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: your name for the hearing committee, Thomas M. Jim Parham. 378 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: What kind of work are you in or profession? Well, 379 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm a social worker. I'm a professional social worker by training, 380 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: and I'm a correction specialist in the Institute of Government 381 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: at the University of Georgia. I'm also an assistant professor 382 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: in the School of Social Work and School of Sociology. Now, 383 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, where were you employed. I was 384 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: employed at the Fulton County Juvenile Court up until nineteen 385 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: fifty seven, and then I worked with Mr Petter at 386 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: the Savannah Chatham County Juvenile Domestic Relations Court till fifty 387 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: nine and subsequently at other places. Is that where you 388 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: first became acquainted with Dr Petter? Yes, In the late forties, 389 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: he was a probation officer and subsequently a psychologist at 390 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: the juvenile Court. I was a detention home attendant at 391 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: night while I was at Emory, and when I graduated 392 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: from Memory, I took a job as a probation officer. 393 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: He and I worked together quite frequently from fifty one 394 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: until fifty five, at which time I went off to 395 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: graduate school on leave of absence. When I returned, he 396 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: was negotiating for a job to set up the first 397 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 1: combined juvenile domestic court in Georgia. He asked me if 398 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: I would be interested it and going along with him. 399 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: I did go, and we worked together for two years 400 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: and setting up that court. And did you work closely 401 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: with him and see him almost daily? During that period 402 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: of time from fifty one until we went off to 403 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: school in fifty five, we were together daily well except 404 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: for weekends, and and many time on weekends because we 405 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: were interested in our jobs, and we had a good 406 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: many of the more difficult assignments, and we undertook camping 407 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: trips and cave exploring trips and interesting things to do, 408 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: because we found that a lot of the kids that 409 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: we were interested in trying to help didn't fit in 410 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: very well to any of the existing organizations. For instance, 411 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: if they would go to Boys Club or the Why 412 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: or something like that, well, quite frankly, they were so 413 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: aggressive they got turned away, or either they were so 414 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: withdrawn they wouldn't be accepted. So we found that this 415 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: was helpful. That kind of experience gave these kids something 416 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: interesting to do, something they could go back to their 417 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: group and talk about something of interest. We took scores 418 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: of youngsters. I wouldn't begin to think how many, but 419 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: we took scores off among camping trips where we were 420 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: together for extended periods of time, two or three days 421 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: at a time while we were together, just constantly, I stated, 422 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: at his house, whenever I went there for a while 423 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: we were together, I would say, if not practically all 424 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 1: the time, from what you've said, you've known Dr Petta 425 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: about twenty years, then is that right? At least twenty 426 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: during that time, have you ever seen any indication of 427 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: any misconduct or improper sex conduct on the part of 428 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: Dr Petta in any way? No, has any of the 429 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: children that have worked with him, or whom you may 430 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: know that have known him, reported any incident of improper 431 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: conduct on the part of Dr Petter to you. No, No, 432 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: And I would think if there had been any kind 433 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: of incident, you know, it would have been impossible for 434 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: that not to have come to my attention because of 435 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: the way we worked many times with this same child. 436 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: I would have him as a probation officer or a 437 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: probation counselor Lewis would be psychological testing or some sort 438 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: of psychological counseling, and it would have been I think 439 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: highly likely if such had occurred, that it would have 440 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: been brought to my attention. And it never was and 441 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: never has been. And you say you visited in his 442 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: home many times. Have you ever seen, in connection with 443 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: these visits in his home any indication of domestic strife 444 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: or problems between he and Mrs Petta? I would say 445 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: it was almost uniquely clear of such. In fact, probably 446 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: less than any family I've ever known. A number of 447 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: these boys lived in their home, haven't they? And is 448 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: that part of some of the therapy for them? Well? 449 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: I would think that Louis Petter goes further in his 450 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: efforts to help people than most anybody in the business. 451 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: I know he is willing to go further and to 452 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: extend himself and his family. They have been that way. 453 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: I think they are unique in that respect. Also, do 454 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: you have any idea of how many boys you and 455 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: Dr Petter took on these trips over the years. I 456 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: sat scores of them. I'm sure it would add up 457 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: to perhaps more than a hundred. In the event you 458 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: had a teenage boy who had emotional problems and you 459 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: are familiar with the charges against Dr Petter, would you 460 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: have any hesitation in sending that type of youngster over 461 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: to an awaking No. I wouldn't have any hesitation. I 462 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: would think any professional in the business would want these 463 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: charges cleared, and personally I would have no objection. I 464 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: certainly would consider the charges untrue, but I would think 465 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: that any professional in the business would want these kinds 466 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: of charges erased, would want to see them cleared before 467 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: he made recommendations. Now, this type of thing is not 468 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: an uncommon charge where people who work with children, especially 469 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 1: emotionally disturbed people, is it. No, It happens frequently for 470 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: all of us who are familiar with institutions of this 471 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: sort where children are kept where they are kept voluntarily 472 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: or involuntarily. Anytime you have a large congregation or aggregation 473 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: of people with personality problems, you are much more likely 474 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: to have events of this type. Charges of this type. 475 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: They are frequent, you know, for those of us who 476 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: have had experience with them to realize that great care 477 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: and great caution should be taken in handling them. They 478 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: certainly can't be ignored. But the fact that there are 479 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: discontented people that are trying to be helped, that they 480 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: are likely to be unhappy for various reasons, they do 481 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: have problems. This has to be considered. I think when 482 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: such charges are made. Harm had made his argument clear. 483 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: The children and anawaki were troubled, unhappy people. They had 484 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: a reason to make claims against the head of the 485 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: place they were forced to be. Quite simply, he said, 486 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: they couldn't be trusted. Have you found in working with 487 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: children and young people that on occasions where they are 488 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: disturbed and unstable they turn against the person who was 489 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: trying to help. It's not uncommon at all because such 490 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: people that many times have strong dependency complexes. They invest 491 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: a good bit of themselves in someone who comes into 492 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: contact with them and attempts to help them, and they 493 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: want many more times than it is possible for any 494 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: human to give. But it's not uncommon, particularly with delinquent kids, 495 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: that they will turn against the person who is trying 496 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: to help them. They will do something that will cause 497 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: some disruption of the problem or some disruption of their 498 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: court status, and this kind of thing. They will do 499 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: this quite frequently. Playing right off of the testimony which 500 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: had just taken place, an Awaki attorney, Charles Edwards, called 501 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: back to the stand the patient who had spoken a 502 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: few days earlier against Petter, the one who stated he 503 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: had been a part of his inner circle. After some 504 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: events transpired over the weekend, the boy had a serious 505 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: change of mind and yet again signed another affidavit in 506 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: Petter's favor and decided to completely recant his testimony. Now 507 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: you remember testifying here before a few days ago, right now, Actually, 508 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: had there been any sexual acts between you and Dr Petter? No, 509 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: there there has not. In fact, I stretched you to 510 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 1: a great extent there. I mean it was like you know, 511 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: boys out on campus, like you come up to eat 512 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: at the lodge or something. You know, you put your 513 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: arms around them because you liked them and things like that. 514 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: It was the same way with Dr Petter, And I 515 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: believe I stated before the fact of him being a 516 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: father to me, that was the truth. And when I 517 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: first decided to leave there, it was more or less 518 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: just kind of a thing to get out on my own. 519 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 1: When you lived in Dr Petter's house, was there anything 520 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: improper up there in the house? Oh no, sir, At 521 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: no time was there none such going on? Is like that? Now? 522 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: I will refer you to the statement that you gave 523 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: Sheriff Abercumber. Was it true? Yes, it was that they 524 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: had threatened Dagostino had threatened you. Is that right? That 525 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: is correct? With police action, that is right. If you 526 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: didn't give him the statement, that's correct. And what you 527 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: are testifying to now about any improper conduct on the 528 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: part of Dr Petter is not true. Is that right? Correct? 529 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: It is a completely false statement. And there has never 530 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: been any improper conduct or sexual acts between you and 531 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: Dr Petter since you have known him, Is that right? 532 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: That's right? And I haven't even heard of as far 533 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: as boys or anything or anybody else seeing anything about it. 534 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: And some of these groups, did you know of Wren 535 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: and Dagastino discussing sex at any time. Roger Wren at 536 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: the time, he said, in the group had to have 537 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: what I think you call it a seance or what 538 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: it is. The group has to stay in together until 539 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: they decide to bring up their feelings. And it was 540 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 1: about myself and Roger in came in and said, look, 541 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: you're know, I'm going to tell you what it is. 542 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: Reminds you of Dr Petter, so therefore you want to 543 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: have sex with and that is the way you're going 544 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: to solve it. And he walked out. Mr Baxley came 545 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: in there after that. He got really upset about it 546 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: and he just missed a group and went down there 547 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: to talk to WN. And that's the last I've heard 548 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: of it. Have you ever heard Mr Dakastino speak of 549 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,479 Speaker 1: communistic activities at all of any nature. I have heard 550 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: him say that. The people to some of his associates 551 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: or people that had worked with either thought he was 552 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: a member of the mafia or either he has some 553 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: type of comm in this connection. And I inquired about 554 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: it one time and he never gave me a definite answer. 555 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: I just came right out and said, are you a 556 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: member of the mafia? And he didn't either say yes 557 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: or no. He said, some people believe I am, some don't. 558 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: That is as far as it went, so I never 559 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: asked him any further. Had Petter once again managed to 560 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: manipulate this patient from his inner circle, The boy redacted 561 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: everything he had testified, the abuse, the grooming, living with Petter, 562 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: all of it. Not only that he had shifted the 563 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: blame to Roger Brenn and Robert Dagastino, stating that it 564 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: was Wren who had told him his mental problems were 565 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: sexual in nature, even claiming Dagasina was involved with the mafia. 566 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: For every testimony, the State of Georgia brought forth an 567 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: AWAKEI had their reply ready. Over the course of four 568 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: days and awake, he brought forth a number of Petter's friends, 569 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: officials from the state government, higher ups from the Fulton 570 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: Police Department, many of them an Awaki board members as well, 571 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: all giving glowing statements on Petter's behalf. Principles from schools 572 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: in Douglas County testified on the foundation's behalf, again stating 573 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: that any claims were more than likely falsehoods from scorned patients. 574 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: Now it was time for Petter himself to speak Charles 575 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 1: Edwards began his examination. Would you state your name, please, 576 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: Louis Petter? What was your position an Awake? Prior to 577 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: about a month or six weeks ago? I was the 578 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: chief administrative officer for an Awaki Residential Treatment Center. What 579 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: is your position now on the executive secretary to the 580 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: Board of Trustees of the Antiwaki Foundation Incorporated. Since the 581 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: initial claims against Petter had occurred, his rolling in Awaki 582 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: had already been scaled back, perhaps in an attempt to 583 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: save face and understate his participation at the treatment center. 584 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: A replacement director had been brought on. Within a few 585 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: months of the initial reports filed from Dagostino and Wren. 586 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: It was shown to the panel that now Petter's role 587 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: was strictly administrative, helping with the operating board at Inawaki, 588 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: who handled its finances and future projects. What do you 589 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: understand your duties to be. I'm to handle all those 590 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: matters regarding the foundation, the board's activities. I'm to do 591 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: the public relations work. I'm to serve in a consulting 592 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: capacity with parents. I'm to plan the expansion program of 593 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: the various centers that may be developed by the Foundation 594 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: throughout the state. You have been working out there since 595 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: when the idea of an awake he got started about 596 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty and we began to meet and talked many 597 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: days about the idea of knowing what a youngster needs 598 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: and then trying to provide the services that are non 599 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: existent in the real problem. We were letting a lot 600 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: of children go by the wayside because of this, and 601 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: so some thirty five to forty people had part in 602 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: the setting up of the basic concept around an awake, attorneys, solicitors, 603 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: you name it, from around the state, superior court, judges 604 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: and what have you. Finally they came together and tied 605 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: up this idea. I had a good position and had 606 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: always been under civil service and always either worked for 607 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: the state of the county ever since I graduated from 608 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: college in ninety seven, I served as a probation officer, 609 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: and I was the first psychologist attached to any court 610 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: full time in the history of Georgia. I went from 611 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: there and set up the first division of psychological services 612 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: with the Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. I went from there 613 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: on a repetition bit. I was asked not once but 614 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: a dozen times by the Superior Court judges in the 615 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: Eastern Judicial your circuit of Georgia to come and set 616 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 1: up the first family court in Georgia because they wanted 617 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: to set precedent. And from there I accepted the challenge 618 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: to come and set up and awaken. There have been 619 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: hundreds of children and families brought back together and helped, 620 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: and if I asked, we could put a thousand people 621 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: in the hallway. You know that you've heard the charges. 622 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: The damn lie. Pardon me. Has there ever been sexual 623 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: relationships of any kind between you and any of these 624 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: boys that have testified here? Not ever. I deal with 625 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: psychotic people. I deal with women and girls in my 626 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: offices as well as boys, and they do nearly anything 627 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: when they're working through their problems to try to seduce 628 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: you into whatever they're doing. Anybody that's in the field 629 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: doing therapy and depth will have to face up to 630 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: this sort of thing. In other words, you sort of 631 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: put yourself on the line any tudy that gets into 632 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: this work. I've talked to people in family service. There 633 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: are three women over there right now who would come 634 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: here and testify. They've been accused by their women clients 635 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: that they're lesbians. This sort of thing you go down 636 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: and talk to the probation officers for Fulton County Court, 637 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: and they're accused from time to time. Anybody that deals 638 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: with emotionally disturbed kids that are really involved in the 639 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: hot turmoil of the thing, I'd be willing to go 640 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: before any board of psychiatrists, sick psychiatrists, ten I'd be 641 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: glad to have them sent by the state or anybody 642 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: else out there to evaluate that program. That is the 643 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: best damn program to rehabilitate character disorders of any place 644 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: in the United States. I've got referrals from other places 645 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: that have failed, and they've been successful with them. Interesting enough, 646 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: there wasn't a single parent that withdrew aboard from there 647 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: facing the accusations, and I made it my personal point 648 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: to go to most of the parents and tell them. 649 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: They said, Dr Petter, we are standing with you right 650 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: to the line. And every parent of the old group 651 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: when this thing came out knew of these charges. I 652 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: didn't know who I was really being accused by. I 653 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: couldn't find out and couldn't defend myself. And I think 654 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: it is significant that not a single parent withdrew a 655 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: single child, and they're right now standing with me behind this, 656 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: and they want me to sue. As if summating all 657 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: of Anawaki's previous witnesses testimonies, Petter had made his argument. 658 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: The State of Georgia needed an awake. They took the 659 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: kids that nobody else wanted, that couldn't be helped except 660 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,280 Speaker 1: by them. Every witness who spoke against him couldn't be trusted. 661 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: They were psychotic, emotionally disturbed kids who held a grudge 662 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: against him. He was a man with a history of 663 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 1: working for the state, close relationships with many powerful people 664 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: in government. Surely somebody would have had something to say 665 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: about this behavior if it was true. Petter was supposedly 666 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: just more of a figurehead at this point. Anyways, this 667 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: was Petter's last chance to save himself, and he pulled 668 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: out every stop he could. The hearing was then called 669 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 1: to a conclusion so the three person panel could discuss 670 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: the testimony with the rest of the State Board for 671 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: Children and Youth. A decision was made nearly a month later. 672 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: The minutes from the October twenty meeting with the State 673 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: Board of Children and Youth reads as follows. It begins 674 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: with a member of the panel board, Zack Smith, reporting 675 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: on the results of the hearing. Mr Smith reported that 676 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 1: the hearing officers recommendations had been mailed to board members 677 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: prior to the board meeting. He said he thought the 678 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: hearing was conducted in a satisfactory manner. He said Anna 679 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 1: Wake he had been allowed to remain open in administrator 680 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: had been appointed and the staff of the division will 681 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: visit periodically to investigate the situation. Dr Hutcherson said the 682 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: Services Committee would like to recommend that we accept and 683 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: approve the action of the Hearing Panel Committee of Anawaki 684 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: Foundation Incorporating and that we authorized the granting of a 685 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: license to Annawaki. Mr Smith said Mr Petter has no 686 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: responsibility for administration and does not work with the boys 687 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: or staff. He said he did not know what personal 688 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: contacts he has with the boys outside of the premises. 689 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: Dr Hutcherson moved that the Board expressed great appreciation to 690 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: the Hearing Panel Committee and staff who have dealt with 691 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: this delicate situation in such a fine way. Antawake would 692 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: remain open and receive their license as a child caring facility. 693 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: This license, granted by the State of Georgia, would be 694 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: the first step in Antawaki's future plans for expansion. The 695 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: stipulations of the panel that Louis Petters stand down as 696 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: director and not have any further contact with his patients 697 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: had been preempted and put into place before the hearing 698 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: even began. But now everything hinged on one very important condition. 699 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: Someone would need to check in on the facility regularly 700 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 1: to see that it operated in the manner prescribed. Only 701 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: a year after this hearing, another change in the Department 702 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: of Family and Child Services would affect who that person 703 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: would be. Louis Petter's old friend, Jim Parham would once 704 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: again take over as the director of the Department of 705 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: Family and Child Services, next time on Camp hell Anawaki. 706 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: That was the biggest disappointment of our lives. It was 707 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: emotionally painful to me to see the lack of concern 708 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: and reaction by the authorities who had the duty to 709 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: do something about this. If they're going to try and 710 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: stop you from taking the George bar, they're going to 711 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: go after you. Hammer and Tom they were accredited as 712 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,399 Speaker 1: a hospital that made an Awake a gold mine. They 713 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 1: told me you would have to be processed and evaluation, 714 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: so you would go to a place called the E 715 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: N O unit, and I felt like I was in jail. 716 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: I had a long pingernail like shoot my fingernails down 717 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: to like a saw a pattern. I was trying to 718 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: scratch through my veins in my arm. I just I 719 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: literally wanted to die. Camp hell an Awake was created 720 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: and hosted by Josh Thane, with producer Miranda Hawkins and 721 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: executive producers Alex Williams and Matt Frederick. The soundtrack was 722 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: written and performed by Josh Stane and Adrian Barry. 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