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Speaker 4: homeboy and today Man, we got one of my folks
Speaker 4: in the studio with us. Man from the greatest city
Speaker 4: on the motherfucking planet, from the City of Cleveland Man,
Speaker 4: one of the most from one of the most iconic
Speaker 4: groups of all time. Man don't been bit stole from emulated,
Speaker 4: but never duplicated My mother Forucker, Homeboy Lazy Boom from
Speaker 4: the Almighty Boone Thugs was cracking dog Man.
Speaker 5: You know what it is, that Cleveland connection in the
Speaker 5: building for sure.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 6: You know you're from the city, Dog, So I had
Speaker 6: to give you the slide. You try to slide some
Speaker 6: ship in there. Try to slide from the city, ub nigga.
Speaker 6: They just c you are trads for he you.
Speaker 4: Know what, Hey, this would always like this what I
Speaker 4: tell him in the Homie Glasses. Without Ohio, it wouldn't
Speaker 4: be no West Coast.
Speaker 5: Music, her Man. We got the funk. Funk come from Ohio,
Speaker 5: bottom line.
Speaker 4: The funk come from Ohio, Dog. And we love California.
Speaker 4: California is my home. I love it, love the people here. Oh,
Speaker 4: don't say they pull your mic towards you, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: check right there. Yeah. So you know, just with all
Speaker 4: the funk Man from from Roger Trout and Man just
Speaker 4: on everything that the West don't love and them.
Speaker 6: Bray so much though played football. Get up body here.
Speaker 4: Man, that hometown city.
Speaker 6: But I'm at. I'm at to tell Maria to snatch
Speaker 6: that drum machine out your house right now. You two
Speaker 6: hip hop for be right there? Hey man, you know what,
Speaker 6: I'm a brother, just love music. And you're coming from
Speaker 6: the city of Cleveland, man like I come from.
Speaker 4: Man. And I know you don't been asked this a
Speaker 4: million times man, because y'all did something nobody else was
Speaker 4: doing at that time. Y'all incorporated harmonies with the rhyming.
Speaker 4: Where did y'all How did y'all come up with this ship?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Cleveland is a singing city. You
Speaker 5: got the old Jay's le vert, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Rual boys, all that whole R and B flavor was
Speaker 5: thoroughly breaded in Cleveland, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 5: my mom sings, so you know we come from We
Speaker 5: come from that school. Born in the seventies, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. We grew up with the Temptations and
Speaker 5: you know Dell Phonix.
Speaker 2: All them old school motown groups. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It was embedded from our parents' music, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. So when when we was growing up, it
Speaker 5: was like you wanted to be a rapper. You ain't
Speaker 5: want to be a singer. Although we were singers. We
Speaker 5: did new addition, you know what I'm saying. We emulated
Speaker 5: all that Michael Jackson New Edition. But in the streets,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. You wanted to be a
Speaker 5: rapper because you wanted to be hard.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you was coming from the streets right, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you ain't know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying.
Speaker 6: You went from wanting to be the new edition in
Speaker 6: the Jackson fivees too. You wanted to be the one
Speaker 6: DMCs and the whoos and the shit like that. So
Speaker 6: definitely that was our generation of time when we was
Speaker 6: coming to pass from that absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Man, and you from Claire Man, you all right
Speaker 4: across from Glenfield, right, yeah, right across from Glenfield. I
Speaker 4: went to the field though. I just had to walk
Speaker 4: through that motherfucker every day because I lived off I
Speaker 4: lived off one hundred and third, yeah, in Superior, but
Speaker 4: we claimed hundred you know, ten five. You know, that
Speaker 4: was our section. And at that time, if you was
Speaker 4: walking through, you know, off Saint Clair, you might get
Speaker 4: touched on a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Have a few altercations on the way home.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Saint Clair, Saint Clair.
Speaker 5: Like, people really don't know how segregated Cleveland really was.
Speaker 5: Like when I came out to California, I was culture
Speaker 5: shocked because you had Mexicans and different people were like
Speaker 5: in Cleveland, it's all black.
Speaker 2: It's all black beside Cleveland.
Speaker 5: Like when you when you walk in them streets, right,
Speaker 5: you gotta deal with niggas, and it used to be divided.
Speaker 4: That was the funny thing about it. Because you have
Speaker 4: a cat that lived. You might have went to elementary
Speaker 4: school with him. Yeah, but he's stay on this side
Speaker 4: and you still on this side, and y'all niggas is few,
Speaker 4: and you really don't know why. It's just that, you
Speaker 4: know when you walk through certain least for me because
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit older than you. You used to
Speaker 4: have the squabble. We used to have to have your
Speaker 4: squabble game. Right.
Speaker 2: We went to uh we went to FDR, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So we had it out with Patrick Henry the other
Speaker 5: other junior high school you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 5: so one of my great friends in life is named
Speaker 5: Ken Dog Mighty More Thugg you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So we used to have to squab with them niggas
Speaker 5: all the way until we got bussed to the same school.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like in high schools, but
Speaker 5: in junior high.
Speaker 2: That was that side. That was that side. If you
Speaker 2: crossed it, it was on and cracking.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, man, I know.
Speaker 6: Still coming out here from Cleveland and seeing how we
Speaker 6: got down one shit, how was it different?
Speaker 4: You know what, man, California is deceptive as a motherfucker
Speaker 4: because as Lake and the tests, Cleveland is a ghettle
Speaker 4: like up there, it ain't no in between. But out
Speaker 4: here you could be in a place that looked suburb
Speaker 4: in its head and look nice, but you be smacked
Speaker 4: there in the middle of the hood like California is nice.
Speaker 4: It's like if you a homeless nigga, or if you
Speaker 4: ain't first, ain't got no money and you sleeping in
Speaker 4: your jacket. You know what I'm saying, You got the
Speaker 4: winner you're dealing with. Ain't no money up in that motherfucker.
Speaker 4: At least out of here, you can work a monkey
Speaker 4: hustle out here. Nigga, go get him a job at
Speaker 4: motherfucking Walmart, working at night, or a job. It's a
Speaker 4: security guard some fucking where in Cleveland. If it ain't cracked,
Speaker 4: it ain't crack. You ain't got no choice but either
Speaker 4: hook or crook.
Speaker 5: When we first touched down out here, we touched down
Speaker 5: in Mansfield, in Mansfield Hood, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And to me, that shit looked a nice yeah what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So we walking to the store to go get bruise
Speaker 5: and things like that, We're thinking it's okay. But niggas
Speaker 5: cornered us, you know what I'm saying. They like, Man,
Speaker 5: if you're gonna be around here, you got to claim something.
Speaker 5: Nigga like, we gotta protect you. And what I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, we ain't gonna be here long. We rappers,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but like the sept
Speaker 5: like you know, the projects in Cleveland look like the
Speaker 5: projects out here, Like every California count is beautiful out Yeah.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: I used to think man living up and I used
Speaker 4: to think man when I used to go visit homies
Speaker 4: that live different places. I would go up to like
Speaker 4: Bedford in different places, Shaker Heights. I thought that shit
Speaker 4: was nice. I was like, man, they rich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go up there. I mean, we don't even
Speaker 2: go up there. You're scared to get pulled over up there,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But out here in California, Dog, that's the thing, everything
Speaker 4: is is nice, man like. Cause I was in I
Speaker 4: came to Long Beach in eighty eight, right, And the
Speaker 4: only thing that was when I started realizing it was
Speaker 4: the same kind of was the sack. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Everything was about the sack at that time.
Speaker 4: You getting you a sack, man, You getting on with
Speaker 4: a zone or a fifty piece you know, fifty piece
Speaker 4: of a zone.
Speaker 1: You houstle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, started hustling, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we ain't We ain't know what they expect.
Speaker 5: All you knew was minutes to society, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, watching y'all niggas on the movie.
Speaker 2: So we we ain't know.
Speaker 5: You know, all we heard was the gang, the uh,
Speaker 5: the riots had just went down and all that shit.
Speaker 5: So when we got out here, we ain't know. We
Speaker 5: didn't know, you know what I'm saying. So this this California,
Speaker 5: I'm from Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Phone.
Speaker 5: I just to let everybody know I left Cleveland. I
Speaker 5: was eighteen years old.
Speaker 4: You was like me. I was seventeen when I first came.
Speaker 2: Out, forty nine this year. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So the rest of my years I've been out here
Speaker 5: in California embedded mean, So I'm a Cleveland, California nigga.
Speaker 4: Exactly, niggas. I can't, man, I ain't lot. Last time
Speaker 4: I went to the crib though, I couldn't do more.
Speaker 4: I can't do past a week when I do, Man,
Speaker 4: you can't. I can't do past a week because you
Speaker 4: see it.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 4: Man. No, I love California though, no shit, yes, the shit.
Speaker 1: What's the longest you stayed when you went back home?
Speaker 4: You know what? Man? Once I make my runs and
Speaker 4: go cause I got anties. Man, that's getting up in
Speaker 4: the eighties and stuff. So I try to make get
Speaker 4: home a little bit more frequently. I could do a
Speaker 4: week thog once because I got a big ass family.
Speaker 4: Once I hit the family in Cleveland, then I go
Speaker 4: out to Akron and all that stuff that looks around
Speaker 4: the area. I might hit Columbus if I got time.
Speaker 4: Once I do that and see everybody straight, dog, I'm
Speaker 4: ready to go. It's too slow.
Speaker 2: My dude. Yeah, it's slow, man.
Speaker 5: And then you know, like we still bringing the opportunities there,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like you know they like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, do it from home doing, but all the
Speaker 5: resources is here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Line.
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard because one of the things y'all
Speaker 4: did there was a big deal man, and I was
Speaker 4: really hoping that it took. When y'all built most Ug Records,
Speaker 4: y'all actually a base it in Cleveland, and I thought
Speaker 4: that was dope because I had, you know, my people
Speaker 4: hit me in the sign. You know, boone got a
Speaker 4: record company. We go try to I know Niggas was
Speaker 4: talking about. I know y'all State got y'all lobby, State
Speaker 4: full of people trying to submit demos.
Speaker 2: Didn't Yeah, man, most the headquarters was wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, What made y'all decide to just keep it
Speaker 4: in Clevel?
Speaker 5: I mean back then, the mission was to come out
Speaker 5: here to be something, to make some of ourselves.
Speaker 2: To bring it home anyway, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like we wanted to go home to make a difference,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, But we just didn't know
Speaker 5: how much work that really entail, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like it's like nothing, nothing was there. So it'll probably
Speaker 5: be a generation after me before we get it all
Speaker 5: the way built up because we started from nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah for real, man, that's why. So because Cleveland, man
Speaker 4: almost like had the worst look in the world. Man.
Speaker 4: We lost the football team, man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Remember when dude took the football team out to see
Speaker 4: I really cried when that happened, my nigga.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, we always hurt, man.
Speaker 4: I was mad. Then the motherfucker to Browns, and then
Speaker 4: the niggas fucked around and won a championship. Like a
Speaker 4: few years later, I.
Speaker 2: Was year Baltimore and won a chat, won a championship.
Speaker 6: I felt like that should have been all harse like
Speaker 6: they kind of me just did what the fan base?
Speaker 4: What happened? Bro, I'm gonna tell you something about Cleveland.
Speaker 6: You was a nigga who was you know, from the streets,
Speaker 6: born and bred Cleveland.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 4: Man? I think it's a combination of poverty, man, and
Speaker 4: lack of opportunity. You know, because you think about it, Man,
Speaker 4: the Bone wouldn't have made their trip out here, ain't
Speaker 4: no tell y'all. Possibly could have got picked up by
Speaker 4: somebody in New York. But I can't picture y'all on
Speaker 4: no other label other than ruthless, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: We had a choice though, we could have went to
Speaker 5: the East Coast. It was closer.
Speaker 1: We was a coin flip or was it like that
Speaker 1: we go on to the West Coast?
Speaker 2: It was y'all nigga.
Speaker 5: Y'all had this like we was coming to California because
Speaker 5: of easy E, because of eight you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Because of shit Snoop had just started, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. So doctor Dre like that whole influence that,
Speaker 5: Like we was influent Cleveland, We was influenced by everything.
Speaker 5: But when the West Coast hit, niggas.
Speaker 2: Had on dickies. Yeah we was.
Speaker 5: We was California because we was on the block selling dope.
Speaker 5: So oh man, here it was like that's where I
Speaker 5: want to be.
Speaker 4: Hell, yeah, you got the same bug I did, man,
Speaker 4: And I think you.
Speaker 1: Didn't get the East Coast bug at all.
Speaker 4: Ste You know what, No I messed with East Coast
Speaker 4: music heavy, man, But I always saw myself, like I
Speaker 4: told you when I heard six in the Morning and
Speaker 4: Ryan Page and all that, Man, I said that's that
Speaker 4: sound exciting to me. I ain't trying to go somewhere
Speaker 4: else where it's cold like it. He is here because
Speaker 4: my thing was this, if I'm gonna go somewhere and struggle,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be where it's hot at and I can
Speaker 4: get some money. Absolutely, you feel what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 4: if I'm gonna go to New York, you fuck around,
Speaker 4: you might have a stretch, my nigga, you might have
Speaker 4: to sleep in the car or some shit a few nights.
Speaker 4: I'd rather sleep in the car out here and this
Speaker 4: motherfucker talked and be in Ohio or New York's.
Speaker 6: So crazy, how something? You know the paths that some
Speaker 6: niggas took. You know what I'm saying. Because y'all being
Speaker 6: all the way up there, being right there by New York,
Speaker 6: y'all decided to come here. My man Primo, who was
Speaker 6: from Texas, who was a hop skipping and jump from Cali,
Speaker 6: he decided to fight it.
Speaker 4: But going to New York. Check this out there. If
Speaker 4: Primo don't hook up with Guru, he might not ever
Speaker 4: become Primo. You feel what I'm saying. He might not, right,
Speaker 4: But you know, I think at the end of the day, Man,
Speaker 4: it be divine intervention.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: I very much believe in God, man, and I think
Speaker 4: sometimes God got a plan and he'll plant little breadcrumbs
Speaker 4: along the way to let you know this, because it's
Speaker 4: just a feeling. Like when I heard Ice Tea, I
Speaker 4: could picture myself out here rolling down motherfucking crensh Off
Speaker 4: or whatever that was.
Speaker 6: And you have a choice. Why Brod, did you have
Speaker 6: a choice? You know what, man? I could have went
Speaker 6: because I played football. That was a little way out
Speaker 6: I could have went into my grades is messed up.
Speaker 6: I could have went to a little school in Kansas
Speaker 6: called Coffeeville. And I know they took me on a
Speaker 6: trip down there, and all I saw down there was
Speaker 6: fat white girl's dog. No offense to fat white women,
Speaker 6: but they down and they had a tail. They're gonna
Speaker 6: be waiting out with a gang of pies to throw
Speaker 6: in your faces.
Speaker 4: Shit, you know, you know, I want them a little
Speaker 4: recruiting trips, so to speak. And they had a little
Speaker 4: party and I went down there. They had a bunch
Speaker 4: of robust women, robust white women.
Speaker 6: They had healthy females, yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 4: They had some fruit punch and some potato chips on
Speaker 4: the table, and I was like, man, I don't know, man,
Speaker 4: it's even more boring than Cleveland. Man, at least Cleveland
Speaker 4: ain't boring. You like it. It's the wrong ship, but
Speaker 4: you're get into something.
Speaker 6: This generic said they had tato chips and fruit punch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so either I'm gonna pick potato chips and fruit punks. Well,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go out there to wear the beach at
Speaker 4: and the wear look exciting that I'm going out this
Speaker 4: sighting scene because they ain't you know, I'm going to exacy.
Speaker 4: They ain't bringing niggas on the recruiting trips. You know,
Speaker 4: I just knew from what I saw on TV. Nigga,
Speaker 4: I'm going out there with the palm trees at the girls.
Speaker 4: And you just picked the JC and said, fuck it,
Speaker 4: I'm head to that. I'm coming to Long b C.
Speaker 4: And it was the best thing I ever did in
Speaker 4: my life. Shut out the coach, will Shaw. This man
Speaker 4: changed my life, you know what I mean? Man changed
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I wound up doing some incredible things coming to California
Speaker 4: that I know for sure would have been impeded in
Speaker 4: Cleveland by a number of things. First, of all, we
Speaker 4: got to go back to the lack of opportunity. I
Speaker 4: would have for sure been selling because all my homeboys
Speaker 4: went on to become some of that state's biggest d boys.
Speaker 4: You feel what I'm saying. They was really moving some things,
Speaker 4: and along that came to them, niggas going doing penitentiary time.
Speaker 4: Shout out to my nigga, Teddy, he just came home.
Speaker 4: He was just out of here, the one I brought
Speaker 4: to the show in La Okay. You know me and
Speaker 4: him that when I we first started hustling. Me and
Speaker 4: him was hustling together, but I said, I don't know
Speaker 4: if this is what I want to do full time,
Speaker 4: my nigga, but he was even then you saw in
Speaker 4: his eyes we made that first fifteen hundred two. He
Speaker 4: was like, man, this is zip right here. You stupid
Speaker 4: for leaving, You crazy for leaving. And he was a
Speaker 4: better football player than me, for real. My niggas they
Speaker 4: wanted both of us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, niggas was throwing it away. Man out there in Cleveland.
Speaker 5: But you know that that state right there, You know
Speaker 5: he got the Supreme Court. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 5: you guys sold the police in Cleveland and Ohio period.
Speaker 5: You know what they say about Ohio, You go on vacation,
Speaker 5: you leaving on probation because they they want a nigga.
Speaker 5: You go, they gonna, they gonna, they gonna get you
Speaker 5: with a ticket somehow. That's why I got out of there,
Speaker 5: because I tried to go home and live home and
Speaker 5: all that. But when you got like when you when
Speaker 5: you got the more money and you driving bens and
Speaker 5: this that, and you're standing out sticking out like a
Speaker 5: sore thumb. Every time I pulled out my driveway, they
Speaker 5: was boom boom, just trying to hit me, you know,
Speaker 5: keeping me, keeping me in the system. I was like,
Speaker 5: so I might as well go where a drop top
Speaker 5: five hundred bens is average, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: So I can blend in so that that that was
Speaker 5: the benefit for California for me, because the lifestyle you
Speaker 5: can spread out out here.
Speaker 6: You thought that, you know, looking at you know, where
Speaker 6: y'all had the status, you'd have thought in some way
Speaker 6: they would have been kind of proud to you know,
Speaker 6: for sure. You know, we got some local boys who'd
Speaker 6: have made it good, and I mean made it good,
Speaker 6: you know, as far as music, is hip hop is concerned.
Speaker 6: Y'all was on the map as far as Cleveland is concerned.
Speaker 6: And you would think that the local motherfucking law enforcement
Speaker 6: motherfucker would be like, Oh, that's bone. Thuh, that's lazy bone.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. Them niggas, we know he ain't.
Speaker 6: We know he ain't no d boy, we know he
Speaker 6: ain't gang banging and nothing like that. This motherfucker made
Speaker 6: it from the music, so and he's got us on
Speaker 6: the status. But you know, haterism coming all kind of
Speaker 6: shapes and shit.
Speaker 4: It was the worse than the people that's supposed to
Speaker 4: love you.
Speaker 2: Man, it was like fifty to fifty. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You had the niggas that gun hope police, they'll give
Speaker 5: me an escort home if I'm drinking and something like that.
Speaker 5: But then his partner might be prejudice as hell, like
Speaker 5: fuck this nigger. We've taken any men and like they
Speaker 5: but that's how it is prejudiced, like especially man with.
Speaker 4: The mentality that the white folks. That's what I tell
Speaker 4: brothers here. I say, y'all ain't really encountered no racism
Speaker 4: out here, because out here a motherfucker see you and
Speaker 4: behave and go have drinks. But you getting this car,
Speaker 4: fucking nigger because it's just a little bit more progressive
Speaker 4: out here, you know, you can't. Racism is frowned to
Speaker 4: punt out here. But back there you got some white
Speaker 4: boys to tell you, I don't fuck with your kind nigger.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's they see you and they say diddy
Speaker 4: ass nigger.
Speaker 2: And to this day though, like they it's just born
Speaker 2: and bred.
Speaker 5: When you raise like that, I'm saying, like when your
Speaker 5: parents put that in you, you know what I'm saying, it's.
Speaker 2: Hard to it's hard.
Speaker 5: Like I even had friends that, you know, when I
Speaker 5: went to school, we was cool as hell, But afterwards,
Speaker 5: you know, being on the West Side, I couldn't go
Speaker 5: over their house or nothing like that because they parents,
Speaker 5: you know what. I'm just like, you know, they just
Speaker 5: didn't make this.
Speaker 4: How it was, especially with the busting program even and
Speaker 4: they's crazy they kept it going because I was busted
Speaker 4: to the West Side. When I was in elementary, I
Speaker 4: went to Thomas Jefferson, No, not Thomas Jeffers went Thomas
Speaker 4: Jefferson for junior high. I went to Clark Elementary for Elementary,
Speaker 4: right and right across from Clark. Yeah, you went to Clark.
Speaker 2: I went to Clark.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It was a white supremacist thing right across the
Speaker 4: street from Clark Elementary. I don't know if it was
Speaker 4: still there when you was there, but that's just how
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they let you know. Man. Oh man, I had
Speaker 4: a girl, Becky tell me. She said, norm you're really nice.
Speaker 4: But my my mom says that black people are monkeys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean they That's that's one thing about
Speaker 5: you know. That's why I like it here, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, because you got you got, you got everybody, man,
Speaker 5: all this melting pot here California. But that's why people
Speaker 5: start migrating West a long time ago, anywhere.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can make it.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: The thing is Cleveland, man, Unfortunately, Man is a place
Speaker 4: that's marrowed by extreme poverty. And the conditions don't make
Speaker 4: it no better. You know, you're fighting the bad ass weather, right,
Speaker 4: and then you got to just good old fashioned just haterism. Man,
Speaker 4: it's hard to wear. If you're a person that don't
Speaker 4: attain a certain thing in your life, you gonna have
Speaker 4: people mad at you for no reason. Man, it felt
Speaker 4: like they should have been you, Like, like seriously, it's
Speaker 4: the weirdest thing ever, bro.
Speaker 5: I mean, don't get me wrong. I got love for
Speaker 5: my city, like I love Cleveland to death.
Speaker 2: Look heart, that shit rough. We ain't gonna front.
Speaker 1: I've done these shows in Cleveland, yes, indeed, yeah, Cleveland.
Speaker 4: But Cleveland put something inside of you, though. Dog, if
Speaker 4: you if you a hustler, Cleveland like give a like
Speaker 4: you just. I don't know no niggas, the slackers from Cleveland,
Speaker 4: anybody I know from Cleveland, they trying to get it, man,
Speaker 4: because they understand what poverty is. It's like every day, dog,
Speaker 4: I don't. I've never allowed myself to get comfortable, no
Speaker 4: matter how much money I got in the bank or whatever,
Speaker 4: because I know, with just a few twists and turns, man,
Speaker 4: you could be on your ass somewhere. Man, you be
Speaker 4: right back in that motherfucker dog looking at the niggas
Speaker 4: you went to elementary school with.
Speaker 6: I think that's any niggas mentality or any person period,
Speaker 6: male or female. Man, if you just born with that,
Speaker 6: you know, go get mentality. It's hard to stop trying
Speaker 6: to find the next hustle. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: or the next you know job, or the next come
Speaker 6: up or whatever it is. That that's for simple minded
Speaker 6: motherfuckers who are settled with just where I am in
Speaker 6: old way.
Speaker 4: You can't you can't never get content. Man. You know
Speaker 4: one thing I wanted to ask you about. Man, at
Speaker 4: the time you came out here with Ruthless, Man, your
Speaker 4: easy was really up close and personal with y'all. Did
Speaker 4: he ever take you to the house in Norwalk? Man?
Speaker 4: That house is legendary.
Speaker 5: Bro, Hey, man, that house is Nordwalk's. That's where we
Speaker 5: used to go, like he would have other artists come
Speaker 5: out of town. We was big drinkers, like you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, And he was like, y'all niggas can't
Speaker 5: drink more than these niggas. We'll tear that nigga house up.
Speaker 5: We being that montherfucker drunk. This nigga got eight k's everywhere.
Speaker 2: Just you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Northwalk that's where we used to go get
Speaker 5: to do what we wanted to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ralph the Free where was real little key Man
Speaker 4: shout up at the homies skipping twine, big twine, big twine. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they had me over there, man, one time when I
Speaker 4: never saw I never knew that part of time. You know,
Speaker 4: being a Northwalk you don't think, man, all kind of
Speaker 4: bras over there. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: We used to go over there, man, and just like
Speaker 5: he'll be showing us, that's when I over there. That's
Speaker 5: how we found out he was a prankster too, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So he would show us video
Speaker 5: tapes of him pranking CPO, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: We spent a lot of nights in Norwalk, man.
Speaker 2: That shit was cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, you know what I still think man to
Speaker 4: this day. Man, Not to try to hash up no
Speaker 4: controversy or nothing. I don't think he easy died of age.
Speaker 4: I just don't think he did. I don't believe he did.
Speaker 4: I've had family members that suffer from that disease, you know,
Speaker 4: and forces not a lot of them, but I've seen
Speaker 4: people go through that, man, And you just don't go
Speaker 4: to being diagnoseds for full blown age and they had HIV.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It was too much about that, man.
Speaker 5: I know one thing in America, we can't put nothing
Speaker 5: past nobody, you know what I'm saying, Like definitely, because
Speaker 5: if they want you up out of there, like I
Speaker 5: still think, you know, tupacin Biggie situation, when as far
Speaker 5: as it did, because that that boy was so politically
Speaker 5: in his mind where he was going, they probably got
Speaker 5: rid of them niggas, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: They probably know they know how to get rid of you.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: They killed off a whole generation of smart men, from
Speaker 5: Malcolm to Martin.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You can't put nothing past you.
Speaker 1: You got to watch yourself.
Speaker 4: And when you start talking about the Malcolm in the
Speaker 4: marks man, it ain't nothing for them to touch a
Speaker 4: rapper dog.
Speaker 2: It ain't.
Speaker 5: I mean, they shut the panthers down, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like infiltrated us, put crack in our neighborhoods,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, got our parents all fucked up.
Speaker 5: They ain't God hip hop came along, because we would
Speaker 5: all been fucked up.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. Man, it'd have been the real
Speaker 4: bad times.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 6: Can you imagine with no hip hop, well, a lot
Speaker 6: of niggas would be right now.
Speaker 5: Man, Man, we would I know, I wouldn't be here, man,
Speaker 5: It'd be a.
Speaker 4: Whole bunch of people in penitentiary. Dog, Yeah, a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of cats in the graveyard.
Speaker 6: He's a more dead, lot of more dead niggas, a
Speaker 6: lot of more niggas in the pen you know, because
Speaker 6: it gave even though like I said, it's still connected
Speaker 6: niggas with the streets, it gave a lot of niggas
Speaker 6: an opportunity to change their lives as far as uh
Speaker 6: poverty and the kids and you know, being able to
Speaker 6: be around your children. You know, we we grew up
Speaker 6: a lot of single fathers and shit like that, and
Speaker 6: like you said, a lot of dope was introduced and
Speaker 6: all that shit. So we learned a hard way our generation.
Speaker 6: You know, not that our parents then, you know, you
Speaker 6: got slavery and all that shit that our great grandparents
Speaker 6: and all that had to do. But going through the
Speaker 6: gang shit, niggas popping at you and trying to sell
Speaker 6: dope and taking penitentiary chances. We had some fucked up
Speaker 6: shit to go through too that we had to try
Speaker 6: to make it out of.
Speaker 1: You feel me. So hip hop did that for a
Speaker 1: lot of niggas.
Speaker 4: Man, Oh man, I'm gonna tell you something, man, Professional
Speaker 4: athletics and music have been the thing for the black community.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: I just want to see a time, man, at where
Speaker 4: we start expanding beyond that. Man, Because like I tell everybody,
Speaker 4: when people talk to me about want to do a podcast,
Speaker 4: I said, why don't you want to become a producer? Like,
Speaker 4: why don't you want to become a person that want
Speaker 4: to learn how to work the cameras, how to edit,
Speaker 4: through all the things. It's too many people doing podcasts.
Speaker 4: The odds of you breaking into that industry, it's almost
Speaker 4: like the new record deal Dog, Definitely, the odds odds
Speaker 4: are very slim. As you ran the label, Dog. It's hard.
Speaker 4: It's hard just just to come up in something, man
Speaker 4: and just make millions of dollars. And I think a
Speaker 4: lot of times, man, when you in places like Cleveland,
Speaker 4: Compton and wats because they all the same places, Dog,
Speaker 4: just different climates. I think it's hard for a kid
Speaker 4: to see that, because a kid to see his mom
Speaker 4: and daddy going to work every day and they still
Speaker 4: don't got nothing. That's not attractive. But you're looking at
Speaker 4: the dope man outside and he got the deep dish
Speaker 4: datings on his ship. Man, he got a pocket full
Speaker 4: of money. Man, he just looked he looked fresh.
Speaker 2: Dog. Oh yeah, you're twelve years old. We used to
Speaker 2: play that's my car, that's my car. Real, that's my car,
Speaker 2: that's my car.
Speaker 1: That should influenced that.
Speaker 6: I mean it influenced a lot of us who felt
Speaker 6: like we wanted a better situation from what we was in.
Speaker 4: You feel me.
Speaker 6: I mean my pops worked, you feel me. He worked
Speaker 6: at General Motors, went to work nine to five or whatever.
Speaker 6: Moms did the same thing. Shit, we we wasn't living
Speaker 6: in no you know, we didn't have no Mercedes bends
Speaker 6: in the driveway. We had an average car. We didn't
Speaker 6: live in motherfucking Beverly Hills or or fucking Baldwin Hills,
Speaker 6: or even fucking Lakewood for that matter. You get me.
Speaker 6: We lived in fucking Compton. Not that Compton was bad,
Speaker 6: because I loved it, but that's what, you know, we
Speaker 6: was faced with. You know what I'm saying. When you
Speaker 6: turn around and you look at the nigga down the street, Goddamn,
Speaker 6: this nig got a brand new motherfucking truck home goddamn Dayton's.
Speaker 6: And wait a minute, the nigga got a lo lo too.
Speaker 6: And then wait a minute, the nigga got this too,
Speaker 6: and that too.
Speaker 2: Last summer he was on the bus man.
Speaker 4: The niggas got motherfucker.
Speaker 6: You you look at that and be like, well, shit,
Speaker 6: you're looking at your parents and you know it. That's
Speaker 6: if if you had that that motherfucker or your hard
Speaker 6: work mentality, you know, you get what you paid you.
Speaker 1: You know that type of shit.
Speaker 6: Tell you somewhere, you looked at the nigga down the
Speaker 6: street who had all this shit, and he was out
Speaker 6: there on the corner pitching.
Speaker 1: That was your influence.
Speaker 6: My influence wasn't to go punch no motherfucking clock like
Speaker 6: I saw moms and pop slavery. They was coming home
Speaker 6: with backs hurting and knees hurt.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you right now, dog, I tell my
Speaker 4: kids and people don't misjudge what I'm about to say,
Speaker 4: because you should take your lazy ass to work to
Speaker 4: provide for your family. But do that while you're building
Speaker 4: towards a dream. I told all my kids, y'all don't
Speaker 4: need to think of getting no jobs. Don't go to school,
Speaker 4: used to get no job because a job it motherfucker
Speaker 4: let you go at any time. That's almost like a
Speaker 4: sucker bed. Almost you work somewhere for all your life. Man.
Speaker 4: And then by the time they tell you can retire
Speaker 4: now to retirement age don't went up two years every
Speaker 4: time every year since I came out of high school.
Speaker 4: You can't retire to you damn in sixty seven to
Speaker 4: seventy now, so you think about it, you can from
Speaker 4: work some motherfucking place for all your life. Dog at seventy,
Speaker 4: you come on for a few years and you die. Yeah,
Speaker 4: while making another motherfucker rich. Now he don't provide it
Speaker 4: for you know, you got a pay check out of
Speaker 4: that dog. But I just always aspired for more. Man,
Speaker 4: I can tell people to find you are telling what
Speaker 4: you're good at. It ain't necessarily gotta beat it, you know, rapper,
Speaker 4: no podcast, no actor or nothing like that. But you
Speaker 4: could beat the nigga that that clean cars, the detailed
Speaker 4: cars real good on your own detailed shop. You can't
Speaker 4: never fire yourself, my nigga.
Speaker 6: Yeah, having that, having that mentality is it's hard for
Speaker 6: a young nigga or a young kid who's eleven or
Speaker 6: twelve coming up in poverty in the struggle. When I'm
Speaker 6: watching the niggas on the block every day and then
Speaker 6: I'm seeing police shit, and I'm seeing niggas get smoked
Speaker 6: who from my block? It changes your mentality, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. You want to strive for, you know,
Speaker 6: something better. But like I tell niggas, you know, as
Speaker 6: a kid, you all you have those dreams you give me.
Speaker 6: When I was a kid, I didn't think I was
Speaker 6: gonna be no rapper, actor, podcast, motherfucker you give me.
Speaker 6: I thought i was gonna be like any other typical kid.
Speaker 6: I'm be a policeman, i'ma be a fireman, I'm be a.
Speaker 1: Doctor, lawyer, whatever.
Speaker 6: And then the more you see poverty kick in, and
Speaker 6: you like, well, shit, I ain't got no new motherfucking
Speaker 6: nikes onn and moms ain't buying me this. And then
Speaker 6: especially if your parents split and now you got single
Speaker 6: moms at home, and now really shit is like low
Speaker 6: income and shit your aspects of like nigga, I ain't
Speaker 6: finna be no motherfucking doctor or lawyer. Shit, I'm barely
Speaker 6: finna make it out. The nigga niggas down the street
Speaker 6: shooting every night. Who says I'm finna make it out here?
Speaker 6: And then next thing you know, you claiming the hood.
Speaker 6: And then you running in with the police every day, Nigga.
Speaker 6: I'm like, nigga, I'm gonna be in prison some fucking well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm gonna tell you who the influences are now.
Speaker 4: When we was kids, it used to be the dude
Speaker 4: down the block, you know that hustles over with. Now
Speaker 4: that's gone, right, I'm gonna tell you what it is now.
Speaker 4: The rappers that they see on TV, the images that
Speaker 4: these cats portray, And it's real destructive because a lot
Speaker 4: of these rappers don't have the money that they claim,
Speaker 4: especially not the new ones. Just come in the game.
Speaker 4: You've living off of advance, bro, and that jury is
Speaker 4: more than likely rented or you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: it's all props, dog. But we project these images man
Speaker 4: to the community. Right. It's almost like dangling the steak
Speaker 4: in front of pit bulls.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So they kids want that now, so they gonna do whatever.
Speaker 4: And the Internet has made it to where any nigga
Speaker 4: can become famous or at least get five minutes of fame.
Speaker 4: Fo a minute you can get attention, right, So you
Speaker 4: got some people, man that's willing to do whatever they
Speaker 4: have to do to get attention. If they gotta go
Speaker 4: in and tell a lie about you or him or
Speaker 4: me or whoever. I like it at all, do it.
Speaker 6: I look at all these people now on the internet.
Speaker 6: I was just saying this ship myself the other day.
Speaker 6: Motherfucker will do anything to just be somebody. Nowadays, you
Speaker 6: get me. You see everybody going, uh, what do they
Speaker 6: call themselves now? Content creat What the fuck is that?
Speaker 6: And then half the motherfuckers who call themselves content creators
Speaker 6: ain't doing nothing but walking around showing themselves. And I'll
Speaker 6: be like, mofucker will do anything today.
Speaker 4: Tell the lies about somebody else telling lies.
Speaker 6: And I'm gonna eat some shit, I'm gonna wear some shit.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get on here like there's so many people
Speaker 6: that just get on the internet just act foods and
Speaker 6: ship for attention. You get me like, man, I'm I'm
Speaker 6: I'm a fucking I'm i'ma I'm gonna feel me and
Speaker 6: my husband in the bathroom getting dressed and pulling pranks
Speaker 6: on each other.
Speaker 4: I saw I saw bro not to cut you, but
Speaker 4: I saw broad Man. They said, this chick make a
Speaker 4: million dollars a month. Let niggas watch her sleep.
Speaker 1: It's just like everybody wants to be like.
Speaker 4: I ain't man at that dog. Everybody wants to.
Speaker 6: Be famous today, man, or be somebody like you you
Speaker 6: don't have. You don't hear too many motherfuckers like oh,
Speaker 6: I want to become a teacher or an educator, or
Speaker 6: I want to become a motherfucking lawyer, or I want
Speaker 6: to be Everybody wants to be a YouTube content creating
Speaker 6: sensation nowadays.
Speaker 1: Get me.
Speaker 5: I think I think, man, I think it's just it's
Speaker 5: everything changed, like because I think back when I was
Speaker 5: a kid aspiring to be a rapper, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. Like today it seemed like the main primary
Speaker 5: reason why niggas want to rap it is to be famous.
Speaker 5: It's to be seen, even more than get the money
Speaker 5: to move to mama out the house, to you know,
Speaker 5: to take care of the family. It's like niggas just
Speaker 5: need to be seen more. Like when I was growing up,
Speaker 5: it was like, Okay, I want to be the best rapper.
Speaker 5: You want to have skills, you want to be able
Speaker 5: to tell stories, you know what I'm saying. Like you
Speaker 5: wanted like being a rapper was it was being somebody.
Speaker 5: It was like it was like a tool that got
Speaker 5: you out of the hood.
Speaker 2: Now, like you know, we wanted we wanted.
Speaker 5: To rap, to get out, to take care of moms,
Speaker 5: to to get out.
Speaker 2: The motherfucking hood period.
Speaker 5: Now niggas want to rap and go straight back to
Speaker 5: the hood.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's like or they put
Speaker 2: on for the hood.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like it ain't it's it's
Speaker 5: not a real purpose in being an entertainer no more.
Speaker 5: It's like like you said, they just want to be seen.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Still, as a kid, what did you inspire to be?
Speaker 6: Man as a kid, You know what, Brake, I'm sure
Speaker 6: it wasn't like I'm gonna be producing hip hop records
Speaker 6: or I'm gonna be a podcast.
Speaker 1: No, that you inspire to be as a child.
Speaker 4: You know what I wanted to be when I was
Speaker 4: a little kid, Man, I used to be able to
Speaker 4: draw really good. Okay, I wanted to do cartoons when
Speaker 4: I was a little kid. I really want to do
Speaker 4: I want to do that all the way up into
Speaker 4: college until I saw how much, especially the technology wasn't
Speaker 4: like it is today. You know, in order for you
Speaker 4: to get in the cartoon work, man, you had to
Speaker 4: go to four or five different schools, Like when you
Speaker 4: get your backs threat, you got to go off here
Speaker 4: and learn something. You might have to fly off here
Speaker 4: to China or Japan for a year, learn to do this,
Speaker 4: depending on what you want to do, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. But I wanted to really be an artist.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 4: I always like lean toward the arts, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. But I never had even though I played football,
Speaker 4: I never really had aspirations on being a professional athlete,
Speaker 4: so to speak. I just always especially back then, because
Speaker 4: believe it or not, football players just getting the way
Speaker 4: they're making good money. Back then, when I was coming out,
Speaker 4: I think the league minimum one hundred thousand a year.
Speaker 4: I knew motherfuckers that was getting jobs that was better
Speaker 4: than that. And I always thought about the financial aspect.
Speaker 4: My knees was hurting and back hurting all the time.
Speaker 4: I was like, man for one hundred dollars, man getting
Speaker 4: whacked on FO one hundred thousand.
Speaker 6: I got me fucked up. It wasn't ready for the turches,
Speaker 6: Oh no, man, And I was really good. I was good.
Speaker 2: I wanted to play baseball, man. I wanted to play.
Speaker 5: Baseball like nine eight seven eight nine, and I wanted
Speaker 5: I wanted to be. I wanted to be Michael Jackson. Okay,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. I wanted to be him.
Speaker 2: Then I wanted to be Ll cool J, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 5: And then when I started getting like I really start
Speaker 5: selling dope and I caught a couple of cases, I
Speaker 5: wanted to be a lawyer, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So you know, life delped me what it dept me.
Speaker 5: But I did aspire to do other things besides music,
Speaker 5: you know, sports music. I aspired for that, but I
Speaker 5: knew if all that would failed, I probably would have
Speaker 5: became an attorney or something.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like the youth now, like they and
Speaker 6: like you said, I don't be a mo fucking rapper,
Speaker 6: niggah artist, fucking baseball player, fucking you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I want to be a rapper.
Speaker 6: I think that is why when I had my son,
Speaker 6: I pushed for something else he because already knew that
Speaker 6: rap bug on hit him, especially with the artists that
Speaker 6: they have today and his generation and the youth, and
Speaker 6: you know, you got the eighteen nineteen year old motherfuckers
Speaker 6: riding around and the Rods Royces and all this shit
Speaker 6: that was gonna influence him if he saw that shit
Speaker 6: every day, so automatically, it was like, nah, nigga were
Speaker 6: getting outside you nigga from from the age of three
Speaker 6: years old until I could stick it in your brain.
Speaker 6: You give me, it's gonna be something else besides. And
Speaker 6: he used to detour a little bit. Hey Dad, you
Speaker 6: think I can? And how do you do this? And
Speaker 6: how do you do that? Work the microphone? Because I
Speaker 6: used to have my equipment set up. How do you
Speaker 6: work the microphone?
Speaker 1: Nigga.
Speaker 6: I took all that shit down because I didn't want
Speaker 6: him to get influenced by this shit that I know
Speaker 6: is a fucking headache and it's a roller coaster you get.
Speaker 4: Man, every cat I know, Man, it's in the business.
Speaker 4: Man in any park. They discouraged their kids. My son, Man,
Speaker 4: he played professional football, right, but it seemed like he
Speaker 4: more interested in going into the music industry. And here
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, you playing professional football. Lead that stuff alone, man.
Speaker 4: And I finally told him, if you can work in
Speaker 4: the industry, you can get a real job. So I
Speaker 4: hook them up with my boy that was up in
Speaker 4: the Universal building. I said, you not doing all this
Speaker 4: trying to go develop an artists and find you mess
Speaker 4: around and lose every penny you got, man, exactly, you
Speaker 4: fucking around because it's hard, man, it's not, no guarantees.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I pulled my kids into this shit early that,
Speaker 5: but that was me out here thriveing having him so young,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, out here thriving doing having
Speaker 5: him everywhere I was. So you know, now my oldest son,
Speaker 5: like my younger sons, they want it. They love his shit,
Speaker 5: you know, my oldest son, and he won't it. They
Speaker 5: love it too. But he was around it so much
Speaker 5: as a kid that he shy away from it sometimes.
Speaker 2: And like now, you know, he do his trade.
Speaker 5: And you know, different things that he do, educate hisself.
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I think when you put him in they're too young,
Speaker 5: they gonna kind of bag up from it.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 6: It it'll burn you out, especially with the transition of
Speaker 6: how shit going today. That's why I say, as a kid,
Speaker 6: you gotta have some you know, some other solid inspirations,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, to want to become you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. And no disrespect to the talent
Speaker 6: and people who you know, chasing that dream. I just
Speaker 6: feel like with the way it is right now, like
Speaker 6: I said, kids should be inspired to become something other
Speaker 6: than the next hip hop star or the next whatever.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, get you some kind of
Speaker 6: education to where when this shit starts nagging you, you
Speaker 6: got something else to fall back on besides trying to
Speaker 6: be the next Oh well, shit, I gotta be a
Speaker 6: content creator, or I gotta I gotta start a only
Speaker 6: fans or I gotta you know, well.
Speaker 4: From what I see today, bro, my only problem is
Speaker 4: that if now, if a kid got talent, Man, if
Speaker 4: a kid is talented, and a lot of times the
Speaker 4: apple do fall for far, don't fall far from the tree.
Speaker 4: You know. Sometimes if a niggas he don't been seeing
Speaker 4: his daddy raps since he's been in the crib, he
Speaker 4: go more than likely possess some kind of lyrical tenacity,
Speaker 4: you feel what I'm saying. But at the same time.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna have the Southern success?
Speaker 4: Is he gonna have the same success and now today
Speaker 4: to become a rapper dog? It's about every thing that's
Speaker 4: outside of music that's go Actually get the motherfucker to
Speaker 4: invest some money into you. So now you got the
Speaker 4: girls that's out there doing whatever. They just doing whatever.
Speaker 4: They trying to outdo each other. They saying the craziest
Speaker 4: stuff ever on records now and I don't I know,
Speaker 4: we've been on that lately, so I don't want to
Speaker 4: go back on that tarbet, But it just seemed like
Speaker 4: to me that they almost It's like these little niggas
Speaker 4: aspire to almost go to prison, my nigga. It's like
Speaker 4: they get on like you see a cat like young
Speaker 4: thug that's making all the money he was making. Now
Speaker 4: he in this situation man, where this man might be
Speaker 4: in jail for the rest of his life. It's like, okay,
Speaker 4: so you struggled to get here only to go back
Speaker 4: to here to become worse, my nigga.
Speaker 2: So I believe, I believe that.
Speaker 5: I believe that the the artists, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: like these days, the artist is uh, it's changed. Tanning
Speaker 5: alone ain't just gonna get it. You can be the
Speaker 5: dopest nigga, you know what I mean. It's probably ten.
Speaker 5: It was probably ten Jordan's on the playground. But why
Speaker 5: that only one make it? Because he knew he understood
Speaker 5: his books he knew with his schooling. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm so, Now, I feel like you have to have
Speaker 5: a business, some type of business degree if you're gonna
Speaker 5: be a rapper. So you know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 5: need to take accounting. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 5: all these a rapper now, it ain't just us putting
Speaker 5: words on paper. You gotta run a whole full business.
Speaker 5: So you just coming to the mic because you could
Speaker 5: spit that don't mean nothing. Everybody rap? So but can
Speaker 5: you manage your career? You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 5: I manage myself. I've been managing myself, but I've been
Speaker 5: reading my own contracts. You gotta understand the wearing tools,
Speaker 5: the FOI and withs and the hearing tools in your contracts.
Speaker 2: And you gotta.
Speaker 5: Be able to dissect your contract. Okay, you like your clothes?
Speaker 2: Your brand? Now?
Speaker 5: Now, a rapper is a brand, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So how do you manage that brand? If you can't,
Speaker 5: If you don't under standing different aspects of your shows,
Speaker 5: of your lawyers, if you don't know how to deal
Speaker 5: with every aspect of your business, then you're not gonna
Speaker 5: make it in this you might get a one hit song,
Speaker 5: but you ain't gonna last.
Speaker 4: And even if you do have a team some kind
Speaker 4: of success, you gona be everything gonna be gone by
Speaker 4: the time you done. You ain't gonna have no money.
Speaker 2: Because if you don't have a team. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, if you.
Speaker 5: Take age, I don't know, if you don't know it,
Speaker 5: that team will rob the shit out you.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure. This man right here is the primary
Speaker 4: example of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been robbed.
Speaker 5: I've been shook down to my socks, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Like, so I'm I'm really speaking from experience, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Like had it all came in.
Speaker 5: First checked eighty thousand dollars, blew that, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean? When did shit that wasn't that was easy
Speaker 5: to blow? You know what I'm saying. But we all
Speaker 5: did that because we had you know. But over time
Speaker 5: I learned this. But now I feel like if an artist,
Speaker 5: like when I'm looking at artists, like I know, a
Speaker 5: couple of dope ass niggas get on the mic and
Speaker 5: kill it. Dumb as rocks though, you know what I'm saying, Like, nigga,
Speaker 5: you go, you going straight to jail. I'm not feeling
Speaker 5: you a liability, right, you know what I'm saying. So like,
Speaker 5: that's how if somebody gonna put some money behind you,
Speaker 5: they need to see other than you just raping. They
Speaker 5: need to know that, you know, you're wise enough to
Speaker 5: control whatever that investment is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this bro coming from the
Speaker 4: place we come from. Man, y'all established more thug records, man,
Speaker 4: and y'all put a lot of people from the city on.
Speaker 4: You know how many people was mad at you that
Speaker 4: you didn't put them on because you can't. You can't
Speaker 4: put the whole neighborhood on.
Speaker 5: I mean, niggas was mad period, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Even the ones put on put a couple the worst
Speaker 5: thousands of dollars in the pockets, you know, and then
Speaker 5: they mismanaged their money and do they you know, spent
Speaker 5: their ship how they spent it. But now and now
Speaker 5: you know, you try, you try to do something helpful,
Speaker 5: and here it is, it's a hinderance to you because
Speaker 5: you don't put an uneducated person on that went blew.
Speaker 2: They shit and now it's your fault.
Speaker 4: And and they don't understand they have to pay that
Speaker 4: money back you initially.
Speaker 1: Gave them, right, Yeah, that exactly.
Speaker 4: And a lot of a lot of them records y'all
Speaker 4: was putting out. Man was going gold and platinum because
Speaker 4: they it feature gold and platinum. People prominently on them
Speaker 4: albums like y'all really got behind them, Martis, y'all used
Speaker 4: to throw them out there. Y'all was on every record
Speaker 4: down there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean one way bus tickets from Cleveland, Ohio
Speaker 5: out here, living homeless out here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: That was the sacrifice, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 5: niggas didn't understand that we made that sacrifice for them, right,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, three day bus ride, not
Speaker 5: knowing what you're gonna eat or who you gonna stay
Speaker 5: or what you know what I'm saying, Or that was
Speaker 5: they didn't have to do that. I opened the door
Speaker 5: and let them in, you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 5: a couple of my artists still thriving off what they
Speaker 5: got from me. A couple of my artists still blaming
Speaker 5: me for what they didn't do right twenty years ago,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But you gotta look at
Speaker 5: the man in the mirror. I mismanaged my money. I
Speaker 5: ain't blame nobody. I just got back on my shit
Speaker 5: and became quiet and went and studied, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, Because I ain't want to be the nigga
Speaker 5: on but what happened to you dog used to be
Speaker 5: the man. I ain't want to be that nigga, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So I had to learn from myself.
Speaker 5: So these artists. You put these artists on a lot
Speaker 5: of times, it don't be worth it because if you're
Speaker 5: not a well rounded individual, you're not gonna sustain this shit.
Speaker 5: And sometimes it ain't fun to put on. People gonna
Speaker 5: blame you, definitely.
Speaker 6: I was just saying that everybody's not probably gonna be
Speaker 6: as successful as you know.
Speaker 1: I mean not to mean.
Speaker 6: That we're not gonna work and try and do what
Speaker 6: we gotta do, but averages, you might not sell ten
Speaker 6: million albums, you might not sell one million albums. Your
Speaker 6: ship might come out, might do sixty thousand copies. People
Speaker 6: work mysteriously like that when they come to music. You
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. I could like this motherfucker, not
Speaker 6: like that motherfucker. No disrespect, you get me, But I
Speaker 6: don't like that shit as much as I like this,
Speaker 6: So that's just that's just people's flavor, man, And it's
Speaker 6: unfortunate that you know, you might consider a motherfucker the
Speaker 6: friend or the homie that you're trying to put on
Speaker 6: because you believe in their talent. And but I can't
Speaker 6: make a motherfucker by your record.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You get me.
Speaker 6: I can only talk to the radio so much and
Speaker 6: be like, hey, man, play this for me, play this
Speaker 6: for me. But at the end of the day, cost effective.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. I can't do for you
Speaker 6: what easy and ruthless did for me. You get me
Speaker 6: as I'm a try. You get me. That's my whole intent.
Speaker 6: But let's face it, this this rap game, man is
Speaker 6: That's why I say, Man, I did not want to
Speaker 6: encourage my son to go into this shit. Who says
Speaker 6: you're gonna have a success I did. I'd be loved
Speaker 6: if you was able to shit, if you was able
Speaker 6: to climb up over me, I'd be.
Speaker 1: Very proud, Like, Okay, good great.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, all the hard work and
Speaker 6: determination paying at good great. But then what happens when
Speaker 6: you put a motherfucker record out and he sell twenty copies.
Speaker 1: Right, you get me.
Speaker 4: Whisky very well happening with this dream and shit, I
Speaker 4: don't understand how that work anyway. But going back to
Speaker 4: your going back to your you know, contract stuff and everything.
Speaker 4: A lot of artists say they first deal was unfair.
Speaker 4: I agree with that in some ways, but then in
Speaker 4: some ways I don't because somebody has invested some money
Speaker 4: and you because they don't usually come back and say
Speaker 4: nothing about the dudes to fail. Most acts, the record
Speaker 4: company sign their failures. I think it's something only maybe
Speaker 4: one out of every five actually work out, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? They got more failures in the buildings,
Speaker 4: so they kind of got a overtext the one that
Speaker 4: does that do make it now? Usually after you sacrifice
Speaker 4: that first album kind of and you sell some records,
Speaker 4: you start getting a lot more leverage. But now you're
Speaker 4: a bankable artist, right, did y'all you guys? I assume
Speaker 4: y'all contract situation after y'all put out East nineteen ainety
Speaker 4: nine a termal, I'm pretty sure they went back to
Speaker 4: the drawing board with y'all and figured out some other shit.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 5: We went back to the drawing boards soon as I
Speaker 5: heard platinum, Like I was on that, you know, I
Speaker 5: mean because our deal wasn't the greatest, but you know
Speaker 5: back then.
Speaker 1: Whose deal was hell nobody.
Speaker 5: He was like, I'm gonna give y'all a better deal
Speaker 5: than the dog pound. He like, they getting eight points.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what the fuck is a point?
Speaker 6: You're covering from where I'm coming from, lazy, Like, what
Speaker 6: the fuck is the point?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How much is that the dollar size?
Speaker 2: I a point?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: He was like, I'm gonna give y'all twelve points. So
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm trying to figure out what this point is.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, okay, twelve percent of a hundred. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that shit wasn't cool. But he put the money up,
Speaker 5: he put the videos up, and I had to explain
Speaker 5: to my niggas, like, man, we need to get in
Speaker 5: the door because I already knew because I had it.
Speaker 5: I had a situation in Cleveland that we had. I
Speaker 5: had got fucked in the contract because the first album
Speaker 5: we did was called Faces to Death. It was a
Speaker 5: Cleveland local project, Dolls rep creation Hermy Henderson slew Foot
Speaker 5: fuck face bitch.
Speaker 6: As he Yeah, why do we all got what?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I was sixteen, you know what I'm saying. So I'm thinking,
Speaker 5: I'm getting a record deal. This nigga signed us to
Speaker 5: a management deal. We give him a whole album. Still,
Speaker 5: I could still sue this dude to this day, but
Speaker 5: it ain't worth it because I don't like the karma
Speaker 5: he got to deal with that. But you know, he
Speaker 5: as a kid, I was already tricked, So I already
Speaker 5: knew when we got to E like, I knew what
Speaker 5: a renegotiation was. So I'm like soon as and then
Speaker 5: when I heard we was platinum, boom. So we went
Speaker 5: from a sixteen a twelve point deal to a sixteen
Speaker 5: point deal, from sixteen to an eighteen, from eighteen to
Speaker 5: a twenty two. By the time we left Ruthless, we
Speaker 5: was fifty to fifty with them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it worked out for me. Busy didn't see it
Speaker 5: the same way I saw it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: The rest of us saw it like, Okay, we establishing
Speaker 5: some now, we built some now, you know, And we
Speaker 5: was cut from that easy eat cloth. So it was
Speaker 5: like the doors that was open for us was unlimited,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So that was the reason
Speaker 5: why we went in and we was we signed the
Speaker 5: first contract because you got to get in the door.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: Once you get past the gate, the gatekeepers, then you
Speaker 5: can probably, you know, you can construct your world the
Speaker 5: way fit now.
Speaker 4: Y'all having so many people in the group, man, how
Speaker 4: hard was that negotiating, man, because you pretty much got
Speaker 4: to have everybody in the Greens for it to be
Speaker 4: popping right right.
Speaker 5: So, you know, we used to have this thing called
Speaker 5: majority rule. It's five of us, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: So if three niggas was down, then the.
Speaker 2: Other two had the roll.
Speaker 5: We lost that along the way, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: because once every Aldy got money, it was like, now
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do what I want to do, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. But in the beginning, our little democracy
Speaker 5: was we're gonna vote if it's three to two, you know, George,
Speaker 5: the majority rule.
Speaker 2: And that's how we was able.
Speaker 5: To keep going without standing there and just you know,
Speaker 5: and fighting, fighting, fighting and being stagnant. We didn't have
Speaker 5: to become stagnant because we had an uneven number in
Speaker 5: our group, you know what I mean, So it always
Speaker 5: kept the ball rolling.
Speaker 4: That work. Man, It had been cool if y'all could
Speaker 4: have saw that, man, because I'm not gonna lie and
Speaker 4: I ain't saying this is no Cleveland stand But when
Speaker 4: I first saw y'all, man, I listened to a lot
Speaker 4: of hip hop because I got no hip hop inside
Speaker 4: it out, you know, and I'm a fan first, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I really felt like y'all was
Speaker 4: so unique, man, and wasn't nobody like y'all. I really
Speaker 4: say it, man, these dudes go fuck around and be
Speaker 4: like the fucking Beatles, a hip hop dog. I really
Speaker 4: I saw that, man, and I think, Man, somewhere along
Speaker 4: the way, man, like you said, the inconsistency started kind
Speaker 4: of coming in, you know, like I would see some
Speaker 4: crazy records that just didn't make sense, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like, Okay, this dude over here doing these
Speaker 4: records with this dude. I like, man, the motherfuckers is
Speaker 4: too big for that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Where do you think that? Like, why is it so
Speaker 4: hard to keep that cohesiveness?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know what I mean, because man, when
Speaker 5: money come into play, man niggas.
Speaker 2: Just always that man, you know, because.
Speaker 5: In the beginning, you know what I mean, it was
Speaker 5: like our shit was more control. Like I worked at KFC,
Speaker 5: I sold dope. I went to school, I set up
Speaker 5: our talent shows. I did a lot of that stuff,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, so.
Speaker 5: We didn't have a lot of money, but a lot
Speaker 5: of that money came from me.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like I'm like, all right, so we gotta get outfits
Speaker 5: boom we do. You know a lot of my contribution
Speaker 5: was to keep the group going. But shit, Like I said,
Speaker 5: our first check a piece was eighty thousand sh That
Speaker 5: Nigga Busy was with us in Cleveland for a couple
Speaker 5: of years.
Speaker 2: He hated Columbus. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That nigga got that check, Nigga, that nigga was out,
Speaker 5: That Nigga went straight to Columbus.
Speaker 2: We like, where's this?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. But that's what money do.
Speaker 5: It gives you power to do. You don't have to listen.
Speaker 5: We don't have to sit down and mastermind together, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. Like I got my own ideas,
Speaker 5: and then you got other people. They got ideas that
Speaker 5: didn't have nothing to do with the original idea, and
Speaker 5: now you over here with two people in your ear.
Speaker 5: I got three in mind. And that's when the Wedges
Speaker 5: start coming in, you know what I mean. But us
Speaker 5: being family, you know what I mean, we kind of
Speaker 5: leaned on each other. That's why we're still here today.
Speaker 5: We was more of family orientated, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So when the wedges came down, one of us always knew, like, oh,
Speaker 5: we got to pull it back together. So if it
Speaker 5: wasn't me, it was it was flesh, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. If it wasn't flesh, it was big wish,
Speaker 5: like the fuck that we family, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So our family aspect, our parents knowing each other and
Speaker 5: growing up in the Glenville area together and knowing each
Speaker 5: other is what helped us stand the test of time.
Speaker 4: That's a good thing. Is I still see y'all touring, man,
Speaker 4: And like that's one thing man that always tell artists
Speaker 4: y'all might not have had the best contract that first
Speaker 4: album though, but look at what y'all doing.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: It's thirty years later.
Speaker 2: Man, we're free agents too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So when we put out some now, it's like all
Speaker 5: that all that come home exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all about to get the masters back to him.
Speaker 5: Masters come back year thirty man, and you know it's
Speaker 5: gonna be a beautiful So we got, you know, the
Speaker 5: masters starting to revert back.
Speaker 1: They're crazy. Some ship that we wrote.
Speaker 2: And we did thirty years.
Speaker 6: Take us thirty years to own our own ship, and
Speaker 6: we made the.
Speaker 1: Ship I got.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 6: I sat up all night getting high, drinking forty ounces,
Speaker 6: trying to come up with motherfucking shit to write about.
Speaker 6: And a nigga just took my ship, right like, nigga,
Speaker 6: that's that's mine.
Speaker 2: And they still don't want to give it back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to go to court for that.
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta go get a.
Speaker 6: Lawyer and go get it because they'll just keep selling
Speaker 6: it and keep flipping it and going, yeah it's thirty
Speaker 6: years later, oh what, and they'll keep collecting the money.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: After I know, after Easy died, man, was it a
Speaker 4: little hard man, Because see, it's one thing when you're
Speaker 4: dealing with a cat that you like and stuff may
Speaker 4: not be all the way right, but that didn't give
Speaker 4: you opportunity exactly, and then somebody else come in and
Speaker 4: take over. Was it a lot of little dissension as
Speaker 4: far as dealing with Tamika.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like, you know, Uh, I said
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 5: So when we was working with Easy Eve when he
Speaker 5: was alive, he just put us in the studio and said, y'all, niggas,
Speaker 5: give me give me an album. He didn't over like,
Speaker 5: look over our shoulder, I want to I want another
Speaker 5: Cross Rolls. You know, all that shit hadn't happened yet.
Speaker 5: So he let us do whatever we want. He let
Speaker 5: us be us, and we came with our ship. By
Speaker 5: the time Tamika and Uh and Ryan Swains where y'all
Speaker 5: all the other players came into play. When that happened,
Speaker 5: it was like they was looking for something, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. It's like Tamika wanted to tell us
Speaker 5: how to do our record or which record to do,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like, and we didn't have that.
Speaker 5: So we had one hundred freedom with he was alive,
Speaker 5: and then when he wasn't, we had people trying to
Speaker 5: tell us how to do our shit. Well, we need
Speaker 5: another Crossrods or some of the time. So we okay,
Speaker 5: we did cross Roads.
Speaker 2: Boom.
Speaker 5: Now we're gonna give y'all change the world. And now
Speaker 5: we're gonna give y'all if I could teach, so you know,
Speaker 5: if you look at our songs. It's like seven eight
Speaker 5: them kind of songs of each type kind of song.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Because motherfuckers was looking for
Speaker 5: the next instead of just letting us, just.
Speaker 6: Just letting us create and come up with our own.
Speaker 6: Now y'all telling us all, y'all gotta do another Crossroads,
Speaker 6: You gotta give us another hit single.
Speaker 5: Didn't know cross Roads was gonna be a hit. So
Speaker 5: while we're chasing that, Yeah, if you was.
Speaker 4: Being lifted your own devices the first project, I'll just
Speaker 4: let y'all keep doing all this. Obviously didn't know what
Speaker 4: they're doing.
Speaker 2: Let's leave them alone.
Speaker 5: That's what he did. He was like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: get y'all niggas some producers. He put us in the
Speaker 5: studio with Rhythm D and J Unique, Tony C, all
Speaker 5: these guys.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Drake Ghost, we was all in studio with and he
Speaker 5: would go hind new business. You know, he'd be out
Speaker 5: there or he'd have he had his office set up
Speaker 5: over here, all the white people coming in and now
Speaker 5: he ain't but he ain't messed with us.
Speaker 2: He's like, what y'all let me hear what y'all.
Speaker 5: Did, and we'll play it for him and he'd like
Speaker 5: it or not like it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But most of the time he liked it. He was
Speaker 2: hip hop. Y'all write me a verse. No, you're gonna
Speaker 2: write your own shit.
Speaker 5: He you know what I'm saying, like his and he
Speaker 5: he really started like he was he was.
Speaker 2: Finn to be a bomb member. Man?
Speaker 4: Is that right on?
Speaker 2: Everything?
Speaker 5: You see that you see the braids to the back, man,
Speaker 5: you see before he left Earth, Man, he was Nigga
Speaker 5: was braided up, you know, still in the same pendleton
Speaker 5: buttoning up, hot as hell, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But at the same time.
Speaker 5: It wasn't the curl wasn't the curl was going slowly
Speaker 5: fading out.
Speaker 2: I mean that Nigga was a that was e bomb.
Speaker 4: That would have been hard dug, that would have been dope.
Speaker 5: It was it was it was happening, man, Like all
Speaker 5: that shit happened so fast?
Speaker 4: Did it seems surreal?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 4: Because sometimes even some like sometimes I've had like my
Speaker 4: own incredible moments in life to where sometimes I'd just
Speaker 4: like to slow it down and embrace the moment because
Speaker 4: I'd be like, man, this shit really happening for me
Speaker 4: right like right now? Was it one of those type
Speaker 4: of moments with you?
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, I mean we we got out to
Speaker 5: California November twenty third. We left November twenty third, nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety three. Our first shit came out June twenty fourth,
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety four, So we didn't hook up with Easy
Speaker 5: E until after until like February, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So February March April May we recorded that all about
Speaker 5: fifteen songs.
Speaker 2: He put that shit out, He took his album.
Speaker 5: He was finna put his album out, and if he
Speaker 5: hadn't did that, when it never came out, he stopped
Speaker 5: his album, put our ship out. And that was ninety four.
Speaker 5: He died in ninety five, so we only knew he
Speaker 5: a little over a year.
Speaker 4: Wow, changed your life that quick, that quick. It was
Speaker 4: unselfish about it because he said he took he I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna put my album on. He was a majoritist.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and he had some ship because he
Speaker 5: was feeling he won the Bomber.
Speaker 2: He was coming on. He had it for the dog Pound.
Speaker 2: He was coming for them niggas.
Speaker 5: But he saw talent though this was this for me
Speaker 5: would solidified him as an executive visionary.
Speaker 2: Right that nigga stopped.
Speaker 5: What he was doing and was like, I'm gonna put
Speaker 5: these guys out as executive.
Speaker 6: That's the difference between a rap executive and a nigga
Speaker 6: who know the vision. Vision like, it ain't about me
Speaker 6: being here. These niggas is gonna surpass me. You get me,
Speaker 6: but I need to go there right now, I'm thinking
Speaker 6: like an executive because a normal nigga in that position
Speaker 6: would be like, man, put my record out first.
Speaker 1: You got a gang of them.
Speaker 6: You got a gang of niggas who call themselves executives.
Speaker 1: But then they don't think like that.
Speaker 6: That's why the careers and the successors of their artists
Speaker 6: don't climb past the motherfucking ant hell because they don't
Speaker 6: see the vision of going. Man, these niggas is finna
Speaker 6: be way larger than how you get me. So let
Speaker 6: me stop my shit, un Let's shoot the ship right here.
Speaker 6: That was smart. You get me, But like you said,
Speaker 6: he was a real executive, and shit, you feel me.
Speaker 6: He learned that from being a street hustler. You feel
Speaker 6: me like, I know what, I know what works are
Speaker 6: not gonna work. I'm not gonna waste my time with
Speaker 6: this sack when I know I can get bigger money
Speaker 6: over here, you feel me?
Speaker 5: He putting out NWA but still got the wherew thor
Speaker 5: to put out jj FAD exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Jj FAD was this first platinum althum I believe, wasn't it?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: I mean he had all the nigga had at a
Speaker 5: group called at band Klan with Will I Am when
Speaker 5: we first came out here. So he had this nigga
Speaker 5: had all kind of weird artists, like he was really
Speaker 5: like he was on.
Speaker 4: He was he was that.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be that, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a real record fucking label.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, man, like that's what I wanted to be.
Speaker 4: Because y'all was the most important group at that label
Speaker 4: at that time. Because you gotta remember Dread left and
Speaker 4: they was over there doing their thing when you know,
Speaker 4: death Ro came. They were smashing you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: they were smashing everything that he was dropping with solid
Speaker 4: right and he dropped y'all and y'all was that mega
Speaker 4: time bomb.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, that, for the love of money
Speaker 1: was killer.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying That and that was like
Speaker 4: I was like this, you know, I was around here,
Speaker 4: shee'zing like a mother for you know, every time of
Speaker 4: Cleveland nigga do something else. I'm like, yeah, y'all, nigga, see,
Speaker 4: don't start trying to bite the army swag either, nigga.
Speaker 4: And they from the motherfucking part section of the town.
Speaker 4: I'm from two niggas home.
Speaker 6: He was watching Drew Carry Man stop playing fuck with
Speaker 6: Drew Carrey.
Speaker 2: Carry on the east side to yeah, just downtown.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Drew Carry used to suck me and Drew
Speaker 4: Carey used to hustle together. Carr had a second God,
Speaker 4: they can tell him. Put y'all the price is right there,
Speaker 4: nigger ship. You try to get all. Drew Carry sold
Speaker 4: my first zone, all the stuff stuff in front of me,
Speaker 4: my first zone.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: But man, you know what dog the thing is when
Speaker 4: y'all came out. Man, the thing I liked too is
Speaker 4: that y'all didn't get too heavily invested in the It
Speaker 4: was all about music because at that time Ruthless was
Speaker 4: firing back with music. But when Easy did drop this ship,
Speaker 4: it was impactful.
Speaker 6: Know we we and I can speak on like even
Speaker 6: coming from the West coast. We banged some we banged
Speaker 6: some bone even like the thuggish Ruggish man. We banged
Speaker 6: all y'all ship from the beginning. So it was just
Speaker 6: it was it was just different. It was saying, as
Speaker 6: far as hip hop was concerned, you know, you had
Speaker 6: an East coast ship and then you know the West
Speaker 6: coast we had our ship. But it was it was
Speaker 6: something different. Man, I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: tell you a no offense because some of y'all niggas
Speaker 6: at my homies, but when something new comes, here come
Speaker 6: the slew of poor man imitations. It was like a
Speaker 6: bunch of fake bone troops that came out after that. Man,
Speaker 6: everybody just thought it was about and we were so cold.
Speaker 6: Some of them dudes was just mumbling they didn't have
Speaker 6: the Kate and sy right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: They wasn't incorporating the melodies and stuff. They was just
Speaker 6: on that pretty much.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I'm glad. I'm glad you said that though, because it's
Speaker 5: like and then and then I really recognized the pattern
Speaker 5: of how the in the street.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, but I recognized
Speaker 2: it watching Little Wayne.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 2: It was like when Little Wayne hit and by that
Speaker 2: nigga blew up.
Speaker 5: Like by itself with everybody had to sound like Little Wayne,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But that's how they did
Speaker 5: bomb But I was in it. I really couldn't. I
Speaker 5: couldn't step out and see what was going on.
Speaker 4: It got real corny for a minute though.
Speaker 5: I had to look in hindsight, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 5: but yeah, niggas like a thousand niggas, like every record label,
Speaker 5: like when Easy Easy E died. Man, everybody tried to
Speaker 5: steal Bomb Thugs in Harmony from Ruthless Records. We was
Speaker 5: just loyal, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Who was the one? I know was somebody that had
Speaker 4: to check the heck y'all? Like thinking, like, man, it.
Speaker 5: Was only seven majors I've been at. I've been at
Speaker 5: every last one of them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So they came in, they beating out, beating our door
Speaker 5: down for bomb Thugs and Harmony. That's how I got
Speaker 5: deal with def Jam for Fleshing Bone because he wasn't
Speaker 5: signed in the group, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. And then that's how I was
Speaker 2: able to parlay the more thugs shit that relativity because they.
Speaker 5: Wanted that bone thugs in harmony sound you know what
Speaker 5: I mean? Like that, Now we're talking about influence and
Speaker 5: the contributions that was made to this, to this thing
Speaker 5: we love. We number twenty one on the Billboard Group list.
Speaker 2: Right fuck out of here.
Speaker 5: Everybody got their hair braided, Everybody changed their wrap flow
Speaker 5: from Mariah Carey to bust the Rhymes to name them.
Speaker 5: Everybody put a little flow, not everybody.
Speaker 2: But mostly like but the contribute.
Speaker 5: What I'm trying to say is the contribution, the overall influence,
Speaker 5: the impact that we brought to the TA. The whole
Speaker 5: industry tried to come behind. We had to fight the
Speaker 5: whole industry.
Speaker 2: Just to.
Speaker 5: Not be drowned out by them bringing imitators to the table.
Speaker 4: And some of y'all brought to the game. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you noticed, but like I said, I stay
Speaker 4: this stuff right. Since y'all came in, it's like the
Speaker 4: generation that's raised was raised off y'all that might have
Speaker 4: been little babies and stuff like y'all was almost like
Speaker 4: the Curtis Mayfields that came in, right. A bunch of
Speaker 4: kids don't grow up listening to y'all. Not everybody rapping
Speaker 4: with melodies. Now everybody's rapping with a melody. Now you
Speaker 4: almost can't be a rapper. Now. That's why it's important
Speaker 4: for rappers like Scarlett to blow up and with the
Speaker 4: One Girl, the Big Topic girl from Cleveland, because they
Speaker 4: bring their straight eggs back to it, like I'm just rapping.
Speaker 4: I don't got no melodies in my stuff. But everything
Speaker 4: since then it's almost been like a bone knockoff dog.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, I mean that that was our contribution. Like
Speaker 5: I used to be, man, I used to look at
Speaker 5: those lists like, man, they don't give us our props,
Speaker 5: but it really don't even matter no more than because
Speaker 5: you know, we know, like just to look if I
Speaker 5: turn on the radio and be like, no, I had
Speaker 5: something to do, just to just to know, like the West,
Speaker 5: the way the West, the way n w A and
Speaker 5: y'all influenced the game with gangster rap music, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. That's how I feel like our melodies
Speaker 5: had an impact, like to that degree.
Speaker 6: You know, when I hear a gang nigga saying ji
Speaker 6: on records, you get me, you feel me. I don't
Speaker 6: look at it as damn man, all these famous ass
Speaker 6: mega motherfuckers be saying jeer and knock one. Nigga will
Speaker 6: come out and say, I ain't gonna lie. First person
Speaker 6: I ever heard say that was eight.
Speaker 1: You know. Niggas be like, oh shit, I just started
Speaker 1: saying it. You get me.
Speaker 6: I don't look at it as I'll just be like,
Speaker 6: you know something, I know where it started from. I mean,
Speaker 6: and if niggas, if you look back and check their
Speaker 6: history from from eighty seven on, I was you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So everybody came after that it was
Speaker 6: influenced by it. And if you was influenced by it, cool,
Speaker 6: I'm I'm glad you used it.
Speaker 5: We said that shit, nigga like, but we knew where.
Speaker 5: We knew where it came from.
Speaker 6: Some people some people like, oh yeah, I know, nigga,
Speaker 6: that's MC eight all day. And then there's some dude
Speaker 6: who be like, I don't say nothing about it.
Speaker 1: It is what it is, and.
Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like I'm dissing nobody, So
Speaker 4: please don't nobody take Because I think brothers do what
Speaker 4: they got to do to get opportunities, and these labels
Speaker 4: they saw you all were successful, so obviously it was like,
Speaker 4: we need to find we need to find us boone
Speaker 4: Thugs Harmony because I know at one time it was
Speaker 4: a prominent Southern rap label that had people on the
Speaker 4: streets looking for booms Like, yeah, I don't want to,
Speaker 4: you know, talk about it.
Speaker 6: But they was literally copy, they go copy what's popular?
Speaker 6: I want to ride? What's popular? Movies do it all day?
Speaker 6: You see a nigga make a movie about Vietnam? How
Speaker 6: many movies different companies that made movies about Vietnam or
Speaker 6: spaceships or fucking the president getting killed or whatever.
Speaker 4: Everybody wants something that's popular.
Speaker 6: Though, if it were ship, I'm gonna I'm gonna ride.
Speaker 6: That's how they do it. The world so fat. That's
Speaker 6: a motherfucking that's what you call it? Cop what's funny
Speaker 6: about boom Man? It's y'all all got all different personalities, right,
Speaker 6: because I'm cool with crazy crazy, you know create a
Speaker 6: Humber cra is real reserve.
Speaker 4: He's a quiet dude. You always seem like you was
Speaker 4: a nigga that was out in traffic. I said, that's
Speaker 4: the nigga to be out in traffic, probably wiggling with everybody.
Speaker 5: Right, you're the one that you're the wiggling, which seemed
Speaker 5: like he can't like the doom, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: he he a bet a goon.
Speaker 4: He'd a no nonsense nigga. Didn't fire on the nigga,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Flesh seemed like he don't
Speaker 4: play no type of games, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's a it's a service structure there. But Busy
Speaker 4: is the wild card. He's the nigga that's go start
Speaker 4: a fight somewhere he ain't supposed to start a fight
Speaker 4: at and go talk some shit, to say some shit
Speaker 4: he ain't supposed to say. I was at the verses, right,
Speaker 4: I didn't go to the thing though, I didn't go
Speaker 4: to the actual verses. I was at the hotel. I
Speaker 4: actually had it is. I'm I'm cool with one of
Speaker 4: my homeboys. Shout out to Uncle Beats down with three six, right,
Speaker 4: do a lot of shit with three six. So I
Speaker 4: was up there fucking with Crunchy Black Uncle Beats. That's
Speaker 4: my dog, that's your boy, that's my nigga right there,
Speaker 4: you know, shout out the boy. I was kicking it with,
Speaker 4: you know, Lola and the other homie, and we was
Speaker 4: up there talking and they said, while you over here,
Speaker 4: still you at Cleveland, nigga, you came to get some
Speaker 4: intail for your bone people, because we about to smash him.
Speaker 4: And they had all kinds of niggas run through the hotel.
Speaker 4: I never felt like a little kid again though. But
Speaker 4: when the Homies eight ball MJG came through that motherfucker
Speaker 4: and you know that nigga MJG. He almost remember that
Speaker 4: old school movie Willie Danna Mike had that nigga walk
Speaker 4: down the stairs at that courthouse. That nigga MJG. Don't
Speaker 4: touch the ground when he walked. He really like he
Speaker 4: really in character all the time. You know, he come
Speaker 4: in there, he got two white girls in his arm.
Speaker 4: He skipped up in that mother for them. I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, damn b MJG. And now I said, y'all
Speaker 4: niggas just got to pull the cheek code out for
Speaker 4: all the Cleveland niggas. But they would come by theyself.
Speaker 4: But then y'all came with some surprises. Did you think
Speaker 4: it was gonna be one of the moments, man, when
Speaker 4: Busy tripped out up there.
Speaker 5: I mean, you always gotta expect something to happen, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Just like with that whole bond
Speaker 5: thugs and harmony in three six Mafia. The history is
Speaker 5: so rich and the few was so real, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like he had to expect something. I mean,
Speaker 5: but Busy Bone, you know what I mean, that's that's
Speaker 5: Busy Bone.
Speaker 2: You never know that he gonna say something, something gonna.
Speaker 6: Heugly motherfuckers to keep playing with me.
Speaker 4: And I just remember Boo going, Busy you a hater?
Speaker 4: You would hater?
Speaker 6: Busy rest, Yeah, there's a piece of boost. Was he
Speaker 6: a hater because they was ugly or what? Because he said?
Speaker 4: Oh no, I just think that's lost. She was funny
Speaker 4: as a motherfucker.
Speaker 5: Our joke by backstage was like these ugly mother and
Speaker 5: this blurted that ship out.
Speaker 6: Was you a Haterigga said? You an ugly? Wild fucking
Speaker 6: ship was.
Speaker 4: So funny because it seemed like it can't noek because
Speaker 4: you ain't know if Busy was playing at first, but
Speaker 4: then he's like he was serious than the motherfucker. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that nigga is passionate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was the words that was exchanged
Speaker 5: went too far, you know what I'm saying With the
Speaker 5: nigga Juice Jay has said was inappropriate because we don't.
Speaker 2: Play that suck my dig ship. This shit crazy like.
Speaker 5: When men say that to me and nigga, that's always
Speaker 5: gonna I'm from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's the thing. But this man from
Speaker 4: to a nigga invite me to his dick dog, I
Speaker 4: might put my steel on his ass.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And that's why that got out of hand
Speaker 5: like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, just and I want
Speaker 2: to add, you know, we talked to them, but were
Speaker 2: probably about to go on tour.
Speaker 5: We was about to go on tour with them right
Speaker 5: after that until boot pass, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So they was they was working on that, so you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like all that shit gets squashed, man,
Speaker 5: misunderstanding the heat of the moment, all that testosterone, all
Speaker 5: that talent, all that Bravardo.
Speaker 2: Up there, you know what I'm saying. So you gotta
Speaker 2: expect something to happen.
Speaker 4: Man, it just goes down like that sometimes. Man. The
Speaker 4: one thing I love about you all niggas, though it's
Speaker 4: no matter right or wrong, y'all always unified up in
Speaker 4: that motherfucker. Like you know what I'm saying. I said, Man,
Speaker 4: they probably could that that nigga out on the way home,
Speaker 4: but they go ride with him. That's how it's supposed
Speaker 4: to be because everybody got that one homeboy that's go
Speaker 4: act up.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, But.
Speaker 4: You gotta ride with him because y'all been fronk y'all family.
Speaker 5: I mean thing about it is he ares, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, So y'all can't touching.
Speaker 4: That's real shit, right, real ship. Let me ask you this, bro,
Speaker 4: and you ain't gotta say no names, man, but did
Speaker 4: you ever see one of them fake bone groups and
Speaker 4: just laugh, man, and just say this is the worst
Speaker 4: shit ever? Like, what's the worst copy cop? What's the
Speaker 4: worst knockoff? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Ah, Man, it was.
Speaker 5: It was just one group out of New Orleans. Them
Speaker 5: niggas hated us. We ain't know who they was. I
Speaker 5: didn't even know who they was til about fifteen years later. Like,
Speaker 5: but they really wanted to be boned. I don't even
Speaker 5: know their name.
Speaker 2: They know who they are. Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Don't want to give no publicity like that, man, of
Speaker 4: course you don't want to give him no puz.
Speaker 2: Niggas was weak.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying gave them by saying where
Speaker 1: they was from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the niggas down there, No, they gonna take their
Speaker 4: little segment and.
Speaker 1: Say, see he was.
Speaker 6: The whole time already gave him enough lazy boom. We
Speaker 6: already called them where they was from. So now they
Speaker 6: gonna be feeling good. The nigga said what we was from?
Speaker 2: Dog nigga, can't never call me no hater man.
Speaker 5: You know, I opened doors for niggas exactly like they
Speaker 5: can say what they want to say that. If that's
Speaker 5: what you got to say about me, you really don't
Speaker 5: know me, because you can ask anybody who know me.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, y'all gonna give you a
Speaker 4: lot of cats opportunities though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a whole lot of them because they
Speaker 2: was given to us. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I'm a nigga Cleveland man who would imagine, like you
Speaker 5: gotta think ninety three when y'all put our minutes to society.
Speaker 5: You know how much influence that ship was in my life?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Like y'all, like you growing up in the hood.
Speaker 5: That song nigga right there, like we was that was
Speaker 5: and we was living that when we left Cleveland. We
Speaker 5: was living that, like, so the opportunity was provided to
Speaker 5: us for us to.
Speaker 2: Meet Easy Eat from Cleveland.
Speaker 5: You look to them ride this nigga drive and I'm
Speaker 5: shotgun looking like this Easy motherfucking Eats.
Speaker 4: One of the moments I talk about.
Speaker 5: One time, like when we first seeing y'all all, y'all
Speaker 5: like nigga we on the West Couse we're seeing y'all though,
Speaker 5: but we just seeing y'all in the movie. So that
Speaker 5: and that was unheard of Cleveland nigga like movies and
Speaker 5: like that shit was a dream, you know what I'm
Speaker 5: so we was afforded them opportunities, so I try to
Speaker 5: give it back sometimes though, Bro, you don't see it
Speaker 5: like you ever bring one of the homies from back
Speaker 5: of the crib out here though and just let them
Speaker 5: hang out, like you know, you got them homies.
Speaker 4: They ain't got no interest in being the entertainment. They
Speaker 4: just steal your It's still some niggas like that out
Speaker 4: there that just go always be your nigga, your same nigga. No,
Speaker 4: I don't want to do nothing. You ain't gotta give
Speaker 4: me nothing, but I'm gonna come out to fuck with
Speaker 4: you and they get out here and get to seeing
Speaker 4: this shit to be like, man, that was Such and Sex.
Speaker 4: I bought my homeboy Tad out here a few weeks ago,
Speaker 4: and he was like, Nigga, you just really knew all
Speaker 4: these niggas, don't you just floating around like they said
Speaker 4: it was regular NIGGASO. They people just like you and
Speaker 4: niggas just make music.
Speaker 5: I just tell him, like, you see why I'm in
Speaker 5: California because this is where they at.
Speaker 4: Nigga, Yeah, because it damn she ain't going down to Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Well, man, I know I ain't asked you nowhere. I
Speaker 4: just didn't want to rehash a bunch of the same shit.
Speaker 4: Man that sometimes people get you all in these interviews.
Speaker 4: Bad y'all the dumbest shit dog in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that and I hate them type of motherfucking in.
Speaker 4: It's like they just trying to reach instead of having
Speaker 4: the conversation and letting the shit be natural, They're trying
Speaker 4: to add. So, man, did you walk in on such
Speaker 4: and Sex when they was doing this and that? You
Speaker 4: know they just want to come out of the bat
Speaker 4: with some bullshit exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think I think this. You know, the conversation of
Speaker 5: just real niggas.
Speaker 6: Cond just try to talk and conversate with niggas and
Speaker 6: get a little in, get a people a little insight about,
Speaker 6: you know, how it was, and just real shit, you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. Because people look for red realism,
Speaker 6: you know you come from these places. They just want
Speaker 6: to hear a little a little bit of history about
Speaker 6: the same struggle, the same struggle, Yeah, and hopefully motivation.
Speaker 6: That's to an average nigga. Like you said, we get
Speaker 6: niggas who listen to us truck drivers, motherfuckers who just
Speaker 6: be chilling. They just want to hear that motherfuckers's normal
Speaker 6: motherfuckers sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hear your perspective on stuff. Exactly.
Speaker 6: A lot of time niggas don't want to hear like
Speaker 6: you got a problem with this motherfucker, this conspiracy that happened,
Speaker 6: or we heard this or we heard man, don't I
Speaker 6: don't like to do that. And that's something I used
Speaker 6: to tell still about, Like we just got to talk
Speaker 6: to niggas about and if if it's a connection to
Speaker 6: the street, you know what I'm saying, we as we
Speaker 6: as as grown motherfuckers, know how to conversate without happen
Speaker 6: to dig into controversy and bullshit to a to a
Speaker 6: please a certain narrative.
Speaker 4: You tell you that right now. You know one thing
Speaker 4: I did want to ask you, though, Dog. They have
Speaker 4: been talking about these rich white folks, these rich folks
Speaker 4: that went to the bottom of the oceland. They went
Speaker 4: deeper than where the whale was going, and that just
Speaker 4: really governed the news right for most of the week. Right.
Speaker 4: But you had all these girls missing in Cleveland, right,
Speaker 4: If you notice as a pattern, Man, if we not
Speaker 4: care for Dog, they gonna fuck around, try to wipe
Speaker 4: us out one again, because it's all these and they
Speaker 4: not just doing it to the black girls, but they
Speaker 4: doing to the Mexican girls. Gang of young ladies missing
Speaker 4: from Mexico, right, gang of little girls man, between nine
Speaker 4: and fourteen, that was, you know, coming across the border,
Speaker 4: just disappear, right, Same thing happened in Cleveland, Same thing
Speaker 4: happened in Atlanta. Now you notice a pattern, man, anybody
Speaker 4: they deemed this being indispen You're easily dispensable. They like disappearing, Dog.
Speaker 4: I think it's something behind that shit, bro.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm just gonna say, man, America, Man,
Speaker 5: this is America, you know.
Speaker 6: Where, Yeah, where the government is set up. And the
Speaker 6: ship you see, I mean they give you clues to ship.
Speaker 6: And we done see enough shit on TVs and the
Speaker 6: news and conspiracy theories and movies and all to know
Speaker 6: it's ship that goes down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the biggest cons want to cover it up.
Speaker 6: It's ship they go and they get It's.
Speaker 4: Just if you ever noticed, door bro, check this out,
Speaker 4: both of y'all. If you ever notice when it be
Speaker 4: some shit deep going down like that, it's always something
Speaker 4: crazy to happen, like a mass shooting, like something just
Speaker 4: crazy happening. It's almost like a distraction, like you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, It's like they put out all these
Speaker 4: distractions man, the media and all that stuff, right, they
Speaker 4: put all these distractions out there to distract you from
Speaker 4: the ship. That's real, right. They don't show you about
Speaker 4: these folks. Don't jump in the boat, you know. I
Speaker 4: mean niggas down the water every day, my nigga, that
Speaker 4: they don't the news don't cover.
Speaker 5: Right, So look that the submarine thing happened, right, all
Speaker 5: that all that coverage, all that media coverage, coverage, coverage, coverage, but.
Speaker 2: They didn't tell you so it was. It was a
Speaker 2: boat carrying.
Speaker 1: Like seven people.
Speaker 5: Seven people, yeah people, they only saved like a hundred
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 2: But they ain't talk about that. Why because they brown people. Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like anybody, I mean, anybody that's not of
Speaker 4: importance to them.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: They feel like they can get away with it all
Speaker 4: most and sometimes they hide stuff in plain sight. Like
Speaker 4: they've been talking. I know you don't like shit like,
Speaker 4: but I gotta talk about this is real they're talking about.
Speaker 4: It's the moon. They don't found another moon that's been
Speaker 4: following the Earth for the last thousand years, right, and
Speaker 4: you just discovered it? How you know it's been following
Speaker 4: the Earth for a thousand years? Then just discovered it? Right?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: I don't believe no motherfuckers still walked on the moon,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I always look at that
Speaker 5: picture they showed us in school. They put the flag
Speaker 5: in the moon. Is it any oxygen on the moon?
Speaker 5: How's the motherfucking flag floating?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It's a lot of little stuff.
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, Like you ain't the
Speaker 2: moon high.
Speaker 1: Fuck with that ship? Man?
Speaker 6: Ain't because like I said, when it comes to this
Speaker 6: thing that we call the government and presidents and fucking
Speaker 6: congressmen and ship. That's another world that that we know nothing.
Speaker 6: When you be seeing all these motherfucking shows and secret
Speaker 6: layers and project xes and all this shit, they ain't
Speaker 6: showing you that ship for nothing, So you could be
Speaker 6: you would be a damn fool to believe half the
Speaker 6: ship they tell you in the news, because it's all
Speaker 6: too It's all to pull the wall over your eyes
Speaker 6: or to switch and root tactic, you like if you
Speaker 6: ain't started playing the game and shit and if you
Speaker 6: ain't paying attention a nigga.
Speaker 4: Shell game like. But like you said, though, bro, a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't have the cognitive skills to understand like,
Speaker 4: ain't no Austin, how's the flag just waving?
Speaker 6: Like that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: You feel what I'm saying, how's the flag waving? So
Speaker 4: you got this other thing. And then they said that
Speaker 4: there was a big ass they've been talking about. It's
Speaker 4: a spaceship with something up there. But I'm gonna tell
Speaker 4: you like this, bro, it's so much shit that they
Speaker 4: hired for much dog. I think if they did tell
Speaker 4: us the truth, Dog would probably be mass chaos out here. Dog,
Speaker 4: the world we barely hanging on by three anyway.
Speaker 2: Dog, it's gonna be mass chaos anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they created Yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean, because they want to depopularize the earth.
Speaker 5: They wanted you know what I mean, They want as
Speaker 5: less people as possible.
Speaker 1: Like they's gonna be here the monitory.
Speaker 4: They don't care the dog. I'm gonna tell you something
Speaker 4: what I notice about white folks. I got a homeboy, right,
Speaker 4: cool dude. Me and his son played football together. He's
Speaker 4: a billionaire. Doront flew on his jet with him and
Speaker 4: everything else like that. Cool dude. He owns the brewery.
Speaker 4: If you ever seen that brewery, it's on the two
Speaker 4: team to sixty Freeway. It's like on the two team
Speaker 4: to six or five. Yeah, the Midder Brewing Company. He
Speaker 4: owns that land right there, right, And he was saying, yeah,
Speaker 4: their lease is up. I'm about to you know, I'm
Speaker 4: about to probably sign them into another seventy five year lease.
Speaker 4: And this dude like sixty five. Dog, I'm thinking, I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: you doing that bus. You ain't gonna be He said, no,
Speaker 4: but my grandchildren be here, my great them folks playing
Speaker 4: the head dog. They playing We sitting up here thinking
Speaker 4: about what we go do tomorrow. By the guy, them
Speaker 4: dudes is playing in thirty forty fifty years ahead. In
Speaker 4: some cases, Dog and got they step. They're making sure
Speaker 4: that poverty never touches no part of their family, unless.
Speaker 6: It's kind of hard for our motherfucker who's struggling every day.
Speaker 6: On the day today, it's like I might not be
Speaker 6: here two days from now. But that's what I'm different
Speaker 6: for a motherfucker who's been handed a billion dollar company
Speaker 6: from the time he was a fucking toddler or some
Speaker 6: shit like that. That's the difference in people want you
Speaker 6: to be able to think on the same aspect, But niggas, shit,
Speaker 6: I'm struggling to put fucking food on the table.
Speaker 4: Thing about this dude though, he what's funny is he
Speaker 4: I think got his ged. He's not no college. He's
Speaker 4: a dude from New Jersey. That's how I mean him
Speaker 4: got cool. He just the fear of poverty kept him going.
Speaker 4: He having to help have somebody to help him out
Speaker 4: to get into real estate, right, and he owns all
Speaker 4: his property and stuff now. But I was just looking
Speaker 4: at the way he maneuvered Dog in that cav That
Speaker 4: conversation with him kind of changed my perspective on a
Speaker 4: lot of things.
Speaker 6: Ain't that crazy how you just said it. His fear
Speaker 6: of poverty and his ambition. Somebody saw that and they
Speaker 6: fronted him to be able to do what he do.
Speaker 4: Fund him.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 6: How mean times a nigga gonna do that for you?
Speaker 6: Oh man, it never happened. We got a lot of
Speaker 6: geniuses in the hood. Now, times a nigga gonna see
Speaker 6: your potential and really go, you know something, I'm finna
Speaker 6: give you this five million and let you take off
Speaker 6: because I know twenty years from now you're finna be
Speaker 6: this motherfucker that We don't get motherfuckers to do like
Speaker 6: that for us.
Speaker 5: Oh, No, dog is big because a nigga been conditioned
Speaker 5: with that, that slave mentality to wear nobody do.
Speaker 2: You don't want to see the next nigga get a few.
Speaker 6: Easy did it for y'all. It wasn't no white motherfucking
Speaker 6: It wasn't Sony or Universal or whatever. Easy said, you
Speaker 6: know something, you feel me, But how many niggas really
Speaker 6: go you give me?
Speaker 1: Are steal your ideas?
Speaker 4: Cracking?
Speaker 1: Let me front you this million dollars and let you
Speaker 1: get it going.
Speaker 4: Leg. I'm gonna tell you something right now, Dog. And
Speaker 4: I don't like to brag a lot. Dog.
Speaker 1: I don't do this.
Speaker 4: I don't say this nothing to be bragging. Dog. But
Speaker 4: we gave, we helped launch math off. Who else we
Speaker 4: don't have. Man, it don't been so many big podcast
Speaker 4: dog that I initially have my hand in and gave them.
Speaker 4: They send off and they went on to become successful podcasts.
Speaker 4: I look at companies, Dogs, some of these guys they
Speaker 4: gonna get five or six million dollars in funding, twelve
Speaker 4: for sex sess, give them some money. I was like, Man,
Speaker 4: these niggas ain't ded half the shit I did, Dog,
Speaker 4: and they gonna give them some money. Everything I don't
Speaker 4: did just done been off the monkey help. So you know,
Speaker 4: like he said, with the shelves and the motherfucking thing,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make some shit happen.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: We don't get them same opportunities. Dog.
Speaker 4: So I'm glad to see brothers like you when y'all
Speaker 4: do get them positioned. Man, y'all do go back and
Speaker 4: try to lift some brothers up, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And I wish our brothers would appreciate that more when
Speaker 4: they do get that lift up off the ground. Because
Speaker 4: you could pick any number of people to get that.
Speaker 4: They've been chosen though, so they got to represent so
Speaker 4: they can go back and get somebody, because you can't
Speaker 4: even drag everybody in the building by yourself. But if
Speaker 4: you get if you pull ten people up and they
Speaker 4: go get another ten people and eventually everybody go get
Speaker 4: up there, right, you know what I'm saying. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So what you got, what you got
Speaker 4: cracking out?
Speaker 2: Dog?
Speaker 4: What you got you about to blast off with?
Speaker 5: I got a little free mixtape, man. I just you know,
Speaker 5: was exercising my lyrical skills a little bit and uh
Speaker 5: just put out a little mixtape car Too Easy.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a little mixtape.
Speaker 5: Of where I took songs that artists been paying homage
Speaker 5: to bomb Thus in harmony, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 5: and it's artists that I would like to work with
Speaker 5: as well. So what I did was took the songs
Speaker 5: that they took from us, put new verses on they shit, And.
Speaker 2: That's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And just to let people know that you know, I'm
Speaker 5: still I'm still you know, rapping is is my love,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like putting them words together,
Speaker 5: telling the story.
Speaker 2: I love that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So I got the mixtape, man, and that's something for
Speaker 5: free from my fans. You can download that on live
Speaker 5: mixtapes dot.
Speaker 2: Com, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But I got an album coming out too, called Hypnotic Rhythms.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So Hypnotic Rhythms. My first single was called Pillar, and
Speaker 5: that'll be out later this summer, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I'm doing that, man, Harmony House Entertainment. My girl
Speaker 5: got her podcast that's about to come out called Tipping
Speaker 5: with Tiny. That's hard, Yeah, Tipping with Tiny and Minds
Speaker 5: is lounging with Lazy. So we do a little partnership
Speaker 5: with that and kind of intertwined with each other sometimes
Speaker 5: on that.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Man, My kids, you know,
Speaker 2: we talked about the kids. They doing music.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just getting ready for this thirty year
Speaker 5: anniversary for Bone Thugs and Harmony ninety fours, the thirtieth year.
Speaker 4: Man, we need that movie, doog. We need a Bone
Speaker 4: Thugs movie, though, we need to actually MC eight fucking
Speaker 4: movie too though. It's so many incredible stories and hip
Speaker 4: hop dog that can.
Speaker 2: Be man, man, it'll be an honor eight n R movie.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, definitely, I'm with the part definitely, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So play me a little easy or something.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You're doing the bio pic, you know, and our movie
Speaker 5: is basically an aliu from the NWA movie is.
Speaker 4: One being is one in production right now.
Speaker 2: Not in production, but the writing part of.
Speaker 1: Oh that's dope, man, that's cracking.
Speaker 5: So the idea of the bio pick it pick up
Speaker 5: where NWA left off at.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: If you all remember in the movie, DJ Yeller was
Speaker 5: giving Easy the mixtape he was giving him East nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety ninety times. He died before he heard the finished take.
Speaker 5: So at the end of that movie, when he passed away,
Speaker 5: he was let East nineteen ninety nine Eternal album was
Speaker 5: sitting right there on on his desk that he never
Speaker 5: got to hear, you know what I'm saying. So that's
Speaker 5: how we pick it up. That's that's the alley oop.
Speaker 5: I feel like n W a through us on the
Speaker 5: movie side.
Speaker 4: You know that's hard that their attention to detail was
Speaker 4: like that, dog exactly, that's hard. Dog. I really hope, man,
Speaker 4: because I know that's gonna be a massive movie. Y'all
Speaker 4: got a fan based that's incredible, Dog, y'all fan based,
Speaker 4: and y'all fans them type of fans that they'll fight for, y'all.
Speaker 5: Definitely, Man, I definitely appreciate our fans, man.
Speaker 2: You know, the diversity of our fans. It ain't just
Speaker 2: like a.
Speaker 5: Lot of hip hop artists like it be like black
Speaker 5: or are we got diverse Mexicans love bone thugs and
Speaker 5: white people love Hispanics, uh, man, Asians like our crowd
Speaker 5: be so diverse man. And and like you said, they
Speaker 5: gung hop for so we appreciate.
Speaker 1: That, y'all.
Speaker 6: Y'all, y'all hip hop contribution was definitely not stereotyped to
Speaker 6: one particular crowd. You can say like y'all was one
Speaker 6: of them international hip hop artists, you feel me? So yeah,
Speaker 6: they have to be able to respect that, yeah, dog.
Speaker 6: You know what one more things, A lot of niggas
Speaker 6: who don't make it that far hip hop game is concerned.
Speaker 1: Know a lot of them.
Speaker 6: You know that niggas who were left underground so to speak.
Speaker 6: So to be able to come from just hip hop
Speaker 6: period and then be able to make it to like
Speaker 6: you said, y'all have probably been some everywhere all around
Speaker 6: the world with this hip hop shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, coming from Cleveland, you know.
Speaker 4: You's some crazy shit. Though you think about it, y'all
Speaker 4: work with Easy, Tupac and Biggie like those are legend.
Speaker 4: Those are like they immortalized now. Dog, you know, risk
Speaker 4: and peace, but y'all work with all of them. Dog,
Speaker 4: do you ever just sit up in bed at night
Speaker 4: and be like, can't tell me nigga nigga?
Speaker 5: And it was you know that's that's that's that's part
Speaker 5: of the seal, the deal of the legacy, definitely, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, to have like and for them
Speaker 5: to be beefing the where they were, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, For us.
Speaker 2: To not be involved in.
Speaker 5: The or dependent all that all the problems they was having.
Speaker 5: It was like being from Cleveland left us mutual right
Speaker 5: in order to.
Speaker 6: Man not on leave that ship, y'all. Y'all ship, y'all
Speaker 6: were protege ades the of the Godfather, you feel me.
Speaker 1: As far as what we concerned on the West coast.
Speaker 1: You give me.
Speaker 6: Everybody has their this is the Godfather or rap or whatever.
Speaker 6: But as far as we're concerned on the West Coast
Speaker 6: with our ship, y'all came from the streets.
Speaker 1: We came for Easy.
Speaker 6: Eas looked at around the world as that motherfucker man.
Speaker 6: You feel me like Easy opened the door, not just
Speaker 6: for for shit. Easy is what made me want of
Speaker 6: motherfucking god damn. He is what made me go nigga.
Speaker 6: You could rap about the neighborhood. Oh, I could rap
Speaker 6: about the one time and selling crack, and I could
Speaker 6: rap about.
Speaker 1: Blasting and claiming the hood.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you just hope because at that point,
Speaker 6: even though we were street niggas, it was utfo and
Speaker 6: it was you know, it was fun.
Speaker 1: It was even though you are nigga coming from the streets.
Speaker 6: You like, I don't do no shit like that, man,
Speaker 6: So what's what's my way in here?
Speaker 4: Way to wiggle in?
Speaker 6: When Easy came with boys in the hood like Nigga
Speaker 6: just nigga six four's and forty ounces and nigga l
Speaker 6: he opened up a whole fucking world for niggas who
Speaker 6: who like, I'm not that this is my identity and
Speaker 6: so he opened that door for to see him. W's
Speaker 6: for the bones for the above, the laws for the man,
Speaker 6: a gang of niggas man that street ship for sure.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, Lake, y'all ain't never collaborated
Speaker 4: with doctor dra Nope, I wonder what ain't happened.
Speaker 2: Though, I got a.
Speaker 5: Couple of tracks from Dre that I wasn't never able,
Speaker 5: we wasn't really able to use. But Drake thing was,
Speaker 5: when the opportunity was presenting itself, we was internally fucked up,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And that nigga. Dre was like,
Speaker 5: if I can't have all five of y'all, I ain't
Speaker 5: fucking with y'all.
Speaker 2: And that was that. So hopefully one day he'd get it.
Speaker 5: I know, all of us individually tried to you know,
Speaker 5: that's Drake who don't want to Dre b.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know what I'm saying, Like I see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he like, all I.
Speaker 5: Can't get all that, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 5: we all we all tried to go individually, but Dre,
Speaker 5: you know the way the word got back to me,
Speaker 5: Like Dre said, if he can't have all y'all in,
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's no point.
Speaker 4: We gotta make y'all can't make that happen.
Speaker 2: Though, shiit? What's up? Dre Holler.
Speaker 6: Gold Ship and we need cracking and we need another
Speaker 6: Bone album? You know, get it cracking?
Speaker 5: One call from Dre. Watch how fast all five niggas
Speaker 5: get together?
Speaker 1: That would be his story.
Speaker 4: That would be some cold ship Dog, and it got
Speaker 4: to happen on that next Bone album, Dog.
Speaker 2: Man, come on, let's preach on that broom.
Speaker 4: What's up with the next Bone album? Dog? When is
Speaker 4: that coming together? Man? We can get just get the
Speaker 4: one of the greatest hip hop group of all time,
Speaker 4: the symbol, one of the greats.
Speaker 2: So the Legacy project.
Speaker 5: Man, we're talking about the h a double album, a
Speaker 5: world tour, we're talking about a coffee table book, and
Speaker 5: we're talking about the bio pic.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's cracked.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5: Four elements, you know what I mean of the world Wind,
Speaker 5: fire Water.
Speaker 6: I could definitely say if anybody can pull that ship off, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 6: that y'all one of them groups? Man, y'all want them
Speaker 6: international groups?
Speaker 5: Man, Man, I drop everything I'm doing for an opportunity
Speaker 5: to work with doctor Dre hell yeah, sure, my niggas
Speaker 5: feel the same.
Speaker 6: But you know what those dog, it's a couple of producers.
Speaker 6: Man always thought Bone would be real beastie on. I
Speaker 6: still think now y'all should keep I think y'all most
Speaker 6: impotent incarnation Dog is when y'all were Unique. I think
Speaker 6: Unique got that ship without.
Speaker 2: Chemistry right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would like to see him somehow be involved.
Speaker 4: But I would love to see y'all go fuck with
Speaker 4: the Justice League. You know, people like that Justice League
Speaker 4: and the Timberlin that stuff would sound crazy. But keep
Speaker 4: a cat like Unique over that kind of you know,
Speaker 4: so the form of the all stay the same. You
Speaker 4: feel what I'm saying. So the saut still there. You
Speaker 4: feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Unique Unique would be the overseer of the music period,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But to bring in all
Speaker 5: those did, man, that's a dream come true. That's the
Speaker 5: way to close the doe for me.
Speaker 4: But y'all deserve that dough dog, y'all motherfucking bone thugs harmany.
Speaker 4: Like I always tell this man one of my things
Speaker 4: for him, I'm like, man, eight, we need to get
Speaker 4: you one more major album, my nigga, One more major ones.
Speaker 4: These ones is dope. He drops some incredible material. But
Speaker 4: this niggas nastier now than he was when he first
Speaker 4: came out. You feel what I'm saying, ain't nothing change,
Speaker 4: you know, win just get better with time exactly.
Speaker 5: But think about your little brother when you're working on
Speaker 5: that album. That's that's a bucket list right there too,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like that, ain't nothing but a conversation dog that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this dude, man, I just do it for just
Speaker 6: I'm just one of them niggas who came into hip
Speaker 6: hop because I loved it, and I didn't look at
Speaker 6: it for you know, the accolades and the and the
Speaker 6: fame and the and the money and all of that.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to make records, man, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. I thought I was gonna still be a
Speaker 6: gang banging, dope dealing nigga on the block. Just I
Speaker 6: was gonna make records and shit, I never looked at
Speaker 6: it as being where a nigga has been or where
Speaker 6: nigga's going to. But you know, we credited. It's been
Speaker 6: here for fifty years. I came into the game early
Speaker 6: and it's just been the love of it, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. So that's what keep a nigga going.
Speaker 6: It's not so much as trying to find that next
Speaker 6: big payday off of hip hop. Is just now with
Speaker 6: all that niggas have contributed, just to be able to
Speaker 6: be honored and respected as going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that nigga was you feel me? You know?
Speaker 6: And sometimes, like you said, you see all these lists
Speaker 6: and you see all these motherfuckers with their opinions about
Speaker 6: who is the greatest and who is this and who
Speaker 6: is that? But how can that how official can that
Speaker 6: shit be? Because my idea of the greatest might not
Speaker 6: be yours or might not be steals And that's not
Speaker 6: the discredit to motherfucker.
Speaker 4: That's what the hell? Y'all? That twenty six, twenty one,
Speaker 4: twenty one, man, that's way too.
Speaker 2: All the matter of opinion.
Speaker 4: But you know what, though, did that come from? Because
Speaker 4: some of these journalists ain't.
Speaker 6: Because like Bro, not to cut you off, but who
Speaker 6: was that number one outcast? And no disrespect an outcast
Speaker 6: at all? But I listened to more Bone than I
Speaker 6: listened to outcasts. I mean, that's just no disrespect. I
Speaker 6: love the outcast, but past a certain era I didn't
Speaker 6: listen to outcasts anymore because it just wasn't my flow.
Speaker 6: You take their first motherfucking album, banged it all day
Speaker 6: like it was.
Speaker 1: You get me.
Speaker 6: But if you want to compare that to the speaker box,
Speaker 6: you know record, I really didn't bang that as much,
Speaker 6: but you get me. You want to compare that to
Speaker 6: Bone does in harmony. I banged every each nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 6: and I banged out that month for the war out
Speaker 6: and my mother, we're so cold as my kids is
Speaker 6: getting hit to that now man. My son to play ball,
Speaker 6: and my son is the fireman. Man, my oldest son.
Speaker 6: They come playing me some of your stuff sometimes, like Dad,
Speaker 6: what you know about this? I'm like, boy, shit down someone.
Speaker 6: I think the younger generation is starting to maybe appreciate
Speaker 6: some of the beginnings of hip hop. You hear me,
Speaker 6: because I couldn't get my son to listen to shit
Speaker 6: that we played. But just like you said, he'll come
Speaker 6: in there and play some knives, he'll play some biggie,
Speaker 6: he'll play some of my ship. You know, I guess
Speaker 6: because sometimes the motherfucker need to be refreshed and they
Speaker 6: years need to hear you quality. Chris Love DJ Quick
Speaker 6: though like his music like Quick said, I like Quick
Speaker 6: got the beats or talk about Quicks beats and stuff.
Speaker 6: So he getting hip, but you gotta remember for them,
Speaker 6: that's like us listening to our appearance records, like when
Speaker 6: my mama played Curtis Mayfield in the House.
Speaker 4: Al Green. I grew up loving at MU two and
Speaker 4: now I probably listened to fifty to fifty nineties hip hop, nineties,
Speaker 4: early two thousands hip hop, and more Al Green and
Speaker 4: more oldies than anything else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too, I listened to the oldies too. And
Speaker 5: just for the record, if I was making the list
Speaker 5: here to be, run DMC would probably be the first
Speaker 5: one on my list.
Speaker 4: I mean you were just saying that yesterday. You know what,
Speaker 4: bro I was arguing with the Glasses the other day
Speaker 4: because Glasses a baby, you know he you know, he
Speaker 4: a grown man, but he a baby in his hip
Speaker 4: hop stuff. Right. He was trying to argue me that
Speaker 4: l L was way more of a fact than run DMC.
Speaker 4: I said, bro l L was the man, but he
Speaker 4: didn't come to the man until after run DMC had
Speaker 4: left the throne. Almost then. Was the first cast that
Speaker 4: had a shoe deal dog. They were the first ones
Speaker 4: that had Adidas Deal Dog. They were the first ones.
Speaker 4: They dominated MTV when MTV first came out. That Walked
Speaker 4: This Way record was probably one of the biggest records,
Speaker 4: was the biggest look for hip hop at that time,
Speaker 4: and had that record not been made, hip hop probably
Speaker 4: wouldn't win as far as it did because to introduced
Speaker 4: hip hop to mainstream America.
Speaker 5: Glass is my bro too, but I would tell him
Speaker 5: watch Crush Groove. It was just saying run DMC. Them
Speaker 5: was demanded. They was headlining back then. And then LLLL
Speaker 5: had to come in with the little radio Fox, remember
Speaker 5: that ship Fox.
Speaker 2: He had to. He had to.
Speaker 1: That's how russelling them found ll and signed them to death.
Speaker 2: He had the audition for his that.
Speaker 6: Was basically like his little uh his promo. The Beastie
Speaker 6: Boys was in there signing him to he had I
Speaker 6: needed to beat out. Yeah. They figured, man, what better
Speaker 6: way than to promote our first fucking artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, put him in the fucking movie. It was brilliant.
Speaker 6: But run DMC, like, you gonna get the argument because
Speaker 6: it's fifty years and you know nowadays they got so
Speaker 6: many You get me. There's so many groups and there's
Speaker 6: so many But I think you have to give it
Speaker 6: to run DMC because it's like they they they show
Speaker 6: the motherfucker as far as a group is concerned, how
Speaker 6: you really can make it, and they made use the
Speaker 6: first tough times of him. Hell yeah, what motherfuckers was
Speaker 6: like hip hop is this way.
Speaker 2: They only played that ship on Saturdays.
Speaker 6: And they were able to break down the barriers of
Speaker 6: being able for four niggas like Outcasts and Wou Tang
Speaker 6: and comptence most wanted in n w A. You get
Speaker 6: me without them setting the motherfucking path and kicking down
Speaker 6: the doors of the stereotype of nigga music and HEU motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: You gotta understand where hip hop was at the time,
Speaker 4: Like I don't think n w A got rated nowhere
Speaker 4: as high as they should Dog because they did.
Speaker 2: Man that they did.
Speaker 4: You know, the run n w A down as low
Speaker 4: as they did Dog was almost like disrespectful because to me,
Speaker 4: if I'm gonna put the top five together, I'm always
Speaker 4: tell people it don't matter where you number that because
Speaker 4: I can't say one is great than the other. But
Speaker 4: you have to have in your top ten. Man, if
Speaker 4: you don't have motherfucking n w A motherfucking E P
Speaker 4: M DR. Motherfucking just all those pivotal groups, many boys,
Speaker 4: all these people, Dog, because those people are the reason
Speaker 4: for the season. You can't have fucking C and D
Speaker 4: before A and B.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, like them lists that ain't nothing but
Speaker 5: a list, man, Like.
Speaker 4: Yes, run DMC, motherfucking thing, you know, even the Wu
Speaker 4: Tang clan. But to me, Bone is worthy of that
Speaker 4: top ten consideration because after you get past all of them, right,
Speaker 4: run DMCs and all them things, you come up into
Speaker 4: that early late nineties, Dog, you gotta put Bone there
Speaker 4: because that was like the next evolution of hip hop
Speaker 4: because it brought a new flow in. Wasn't nobody everything
Speaker 4: was margs and the march and then the ben the
Speaker 4: thing the same with them that came to say that
Speaker 4: the brother y'all came with them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And it was so fresh, but you understood everything y'all
Speaker 4: was saying. And that ship was so dope, dog, and
Speaker 4: the music was melodic, you almost smoke you be right
Speaker 4: down the street your light.
Speaker 5: Well, all I gotta say, man, is you know we
Speaker 5: ain't done yet. So you know they could they can,
Speaker 5: they can reserve their opinions for when we're done, because
Speaker 5: you know, to see a list like that make me
Speaker 5: pick up the phone and call my brothers, like, y'all,
Speaker 5: y'all want to show these niggas who do what you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So we ain't done so they and it really don't.
Speaker 5: Matter, man, I've been able to take care of my
Speaker 5: family off this whole.
Speaker 6: I say that about all the times I think about
Speaker 6: I got fucked and money stolen and all that shit,
Speaker 6: and at the end of the day, I go, you
Speaker 6: know something, my son going to college. I'm still able
Speaker 6: to wake up every morning and do something that you know,
Speaker 6: you don't regret as far as God damn, I gotta
Speaker 6: get up today and I gotta you feel me. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of people who where it's nothing against the
Speaker 6: average motherfucker, there's a lot of motherfuckers who you know,
Speaker 6: it's a lot of people who have to get up
Speaker 6: and go through that shill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we blessed.
Speaker 6: So to be blessed to be able to do something
Speaker 6: that you enjoy and and you know, you get to
Speaker 6: go on trips and you get to meet other people,
Speaker 6: and you know, the perks of comes with being an
Speaker 6: entertainer sometimes and you know you wouldn't traded for nothing.
Speaker 6: So we go through the roller coaster rides and sometimes
Speaker 6: to disrespect and sometimes not feeling like motherfuckers, give us
Speaker 6: all props for all what we have done for fucking
Speaker 6: hip hop. But at the end of the day, you go,
Speaker 6: so I go, you know what, so what right?
Speaker 2: It's a blessing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm good, you feel me, I'm good, And none
Speaker 6: of that shit matters.
Speaker 4: An what they need to do, they need is start
Speaker 4: coming to the people really in the coach and asking
Speaker 4: about them. List cause to me, it would be like
Speaker 4: somebody coming to me asking me to make to create
Speaker 4: the top one hundred oldies of all time. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: feel like, in a way, I'm not qualified. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go talk to my mama, my pops, my uncles and
Speaker 4: asked them what was going on because I didn't live
Speaker 4: in that time. So some of these little niggas that
Speaker 4: might be twenty twenty one, they don't understand the impact
Speaker 4: that a bone had, or the impact that a Wu
Speaker 4: Tang or run DMC for that matter, to them, is ancient.
Speaker 4: And I didn't realize how old hip hop was. The
Speaker 4: glasses told me one day because we were talking about sampling,
Speaker 4: and he said, no, big bro, that's too old. You
Speaker 4: got to go back to warren Z. I said, Warren
Speaker 4: g and them was just Yetter, that's biting, dog, And
Speaker 4: I thought about it. I said, that shit was twenty
Speaker 4: five thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: Dog.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were sampling the ship out of Roger and them,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like it, uh all the
Speaker 5: funk that shit thirty years later we were sampling them.
Speaker 5: So and that's why I did the mixtape that I did,
Speaker 5: because I wanted the new artists to know that we
Speaker 5: appreciate them, you know, going in the crates and finally.
Speaker 4: That motherfucker so I could put it in our description.
Speaker 2: I got you, I got I put the.
Speaker 4: Links in the description, man, so we don't help you
Speaker 4: captive here long enough.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: We appreciate y'all hanging out with us once again. Right yeah,
Speaker 4: and hey, y'all make sure, man, we gonna put the
Speaker 4: link to that mixtape down there. Man. Make sure y'all
Speaker 4: go bang that man and go support that and go
Speaker 4: flood doctor Dre's. I don't know if Trey too rich
Speaker 4: to fuck with Twitter anything. The staff and ship that
Speaker 4: so y'all just make sure y'all hit Dre up man
Speaker 4: telling them we need that bone thud collaboration.
Speaker 2: Man, Please, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5: Let him know, Dre. I'm letting you know right now.
Speaker 5: Min we here, if the opportunity is there, were there?
Speaker 4: Well? Yeah and we gone. Jill Well, that concludes another
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