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Speaker 1: All right, So when did you create your first language? And,
Speaker 1: by the way, some of your earlier languages do you
Speaker 1: look back on and go, oh.
Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, of course. But I created my first language
Speaker 2: my second my second year at Berkeley.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you put all the rules into it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? You gotta.
Speaker 1: Do you come up with swear words? Oh?
Speaker 2: That's usually what they asked for first?
Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah, tashhash Tosh Show Club show.
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Speaker 1: All right, what's going on? The oscars? Gearing up for
Speaker 1: the Oscars? Getting so excited? What's nominated for Best Picture? Eddie?
Speaker 1: So we've got ten of them? Well, stop there, at Eddie?
Speaker 1: You just you said ten? Ten? Holy shit? All right,
Speaker 1: let's see it. What do we got? We get? American
Speaker 1: fiction didn't see it.
Speaker 4: Anatomy of a Fall.
Speaker 1: Didn't see it. The Holdovers didn't see it.
Speaker 4: Killers of the Flower Moon didn't see it. Maestro didn't
Speaker 4: see it. Oppenheimer didn't see it. Past Lives didn't see it.
Speaker 4: Poor things, what was it? Poor things didn't see it?
Speaker 4: The Zone of Interest, Oh god, it didn't see it?
Speaker 1: Barbie. All right, that's ten. That's ten. Guess what I'm guessing.
Speaker 1: Guess out loud, I guess, I'll loud. Guess ten. You've
Speaker 1: seen three? I said, didn't see it. I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: The fuck's wrong with you, idiot? I saw Barbie. I
Speaker 1: saw one of the ten. This is why I could
Speaker 1: never host for a lot of reasons, but one the
Speaker 1: main reason is I wouldn't even want to watch these
Speaker 1: movies to write a joke about them. I saw Barbie. Ah,
Speaker 1: and here's what I loved about Barbie. Running time under
Speaker 1: two hours. I guarantee you what's the running time on
Speaker 1: all those movies. You don't have to tell me. I
Speaker 1: already know too long. But I saw Barbie, and guess what.
Speaker 1: Enjoyed it. Didn't think I was gonna enjoy it. My
Speaker 1: wife wanting to watch it. We watched it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love Margot Robbie. Most of you
Speaker 1: know Margot Robbie and I would have gotten married had
Speaker 1: it not been for the fact that my mother is
Speaker 1: also named Margo, and that's a breaker. Hey, guess what
Speaker 1: I just learned what the other day, I had this
Speaker 1: pondering question and I was like, you know, I'm going
Speaker 1: to look this up and see if it's a thing,
Speaker 1: and sure, shit, it is. Some people when they floss
Speaker 1: their teeth, I'm one of them. When you floss your teeth,
Speaker 1: your nose itches. And I was like, this has to
Speaker 1: be a thing, because every time I floss my nose
Speaker 1: really itches. And apparently, according to this one study that
Speaker 1: was done that there's some wires in your brain that
Speaker 1: get mixed up when you're flossing, and it makes you
Speaker 1: think your nose itches. Isn't that interesting? That is? I
Speaker 1: thought it was? What was I talking about? The oscars?
Speaker 1: That's the problem. This is the biggest night in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and I'm way more fascinated by my nose itching while
Speaker 1: flossing my teeth. No, I'm sure those movies were great
Speaker 1: and the people, you know, they did a lot of
Speaker 1: hard work to make them. So there's nine movie or
Speaker 1: did you see any of those movies? How many of
Speaker 1: the ten did you see? Eddie two point five? Oh?
Speaker 1: Which one of those did you turn off halfway through? Openheimer? Oppenheimer?
Speaker 4: Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1: It's Oppenheimer. I think we all agree it's Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you should do instead of watching Oppenheimer,
Speaker 1: watch John Wick four twice and thank me later. Let's
Speaker 1: get this show on the road. If you watch the
Speaker 1: Oscars this weekend, you won't see today's guest. He works
Speaker 1: on movies and is the best at what he does,
Speaker 1: but the Oscars don't have a category for it, probably
Speaker 1: because his job is too stupid. Enjoy Pasha, my guest today,
Speaker 1: has created languages for Game of Thrones, Dune, and dozens
Speaker 1: of other things I've never seen. He's a nightmare to
Speaker 1: play scrabble with and has my favorite made up job.
Speaker 1: Please welcome David. David, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. By the way, I haven't
Speaker 2: even seen everything that I've worked on.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I always hate to say this
Speaker 1: to people. I hate to be completely honest when it
Speaker 1: comes to movies and things like that. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: a lot and I don't enjoy watching a ton of stuff.
Speaker 1: Sometimes i'll watch them, I'm like, oh, that was good,
Speaker 1: that was great, but like, yes, I've never seen a
Speaker 1: frame of Game of Thrones and it's not my thing.
Speaker 1: But people always think I'm saying it because I think, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm too cool to watch TV. No, I could, you know,
Speaker 1: I could watch the Kardashians. I'll just put that on.
Speaker 1: I'll find it interesting for a little bit. I guess
Speaker 1: I like to watch sports. What am I gonna do?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I am?
Speaker 1: Who I am?
Speaker 2: No, I get that. I think that of all the
Speaker 2: things that I've worked on, the only things I would
Speaker 2: have watched probably are the Marvel movies, just because you know,
Speaker 2: it was a big thing to go out and see
Speaker 2: the Marvel movies and Elemental the Pixar movie, because I
Speaker 2: like watching the Pixar movies. Other than that, probably would
Speaker 2: not have watched anything that I worked on, just on
Speaker 2: my own.
Speaker 1: You were a part of Elemental, Oh you bet so.
Speaker 2: It's Jesse, my my fiance. We both worked on it.
Speaker 5: Your names, that's easy day.
Speaker 1: Elemental As has a place in my heart really because
Speaker 1: it's the first movie that I took my son to
Speaker 1: see in a theater. Oh. We like wait, we we
Speaker 1: like wait. We looked at the lineup of what was
Speaker 1: coming out, and we've like Elemental that's gonna be the one.
Speaker 1: And it was his first It was a big day.
Speaker 1: We built it up for like months and months, and
Speaker 1: we went to a theater and it was. It was
Speaker 1: like it was the cutest thing in the world watching it.
Speaker 1: So now I care about that movie for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. So you are a conno lingus? Am
Speaker 1: I saying that? Right? Con? What is it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: It's not Conda Langer or conn Langer?
Speaker 2: Con Linger con lang Linger?
Speaker 1: Is that a? Is that a real thing? It is? Now?
Speaker 2: It's in the Oxford English Dictionary. We got it in there.
Speaker 1: I have so many questions, but my first question that
Speaker 1: I ask all my guests, do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not? And I want to go on record and
Speaker 2: make sure that everybody knows, No, I do not believe
Speaker 2: in ghosts, not one bit. However, I am absolutely terrified
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: Oh that's the right answer. Thank you. How do I
Speaker 1: get into this bullshit career of yours? You make up languages?
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to you're highly educated, allegedly
Speaker 1: fairly like, did you really go to Berkeley? Because I
Speaker 1: don't believe you? And I'll tell you why, sure, just
Speaker 1: because I feel like you're in a profession. It's not
Speaker 1: like you're the governor. They're not going to really check,
Speaker 1: like they could just be anything written on your Wikipedia
Speaker 1: page and I'm taking it as gospel. Yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: saying you did go enough.
Speaker 2: I've got some photographs, but no, Like, it's an interesting
Speaker 2: point you about language specifically when it comes to not checking,
Speaker 2: because language is the type of thing where it's different
Speaker 2: from anything else that's going to be on a television
Speaker 2: show or a movie. Right, If you're making a physical
Speaker 2: prop for a movie or a television show, what it
Speaker 2: needs to do is it needs to look real on screen.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that the throne made out of swords
Speaker 2: on Game of Thrones wasn't actually made out of melted
Speaker 2: down swords if it looks like it was, and in fact,
Speaker 2: it was three D printed, but it doesn't matter because
Speaker 2: it looks like swords on screen. And that's fine. A language, though,
Speaker 2: and this isn't just a created language I'm talking about
Speaker 2: any language. Languages aren't real things.
Speaker 1: Right, They're all eventually are at some point. We're just
Speaker 1: made up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And not only that, they don't exist anywhere. Like, So,
Speaker 2: if you think about English right now, we're both speaking it,
Speaker 2: we both understand it, but it's not as if it's somewhere,
Speaker 2: you know, It's not as if English exists somewhere and
Speaker 2: we can go check to see if what we said
Speaker 2: is really English. You know, it's just English, if basically
Speaker 2: you understand what I'm saying, and we both agree that
Speaker 2: we're speaking speaking English of other people agree and understand,
Speaker 2: and so there's no way to check or verify. That's
Speaker 2: something I use it.
Speaker 1: I always use my phone for a word and in
Speaker 1: Google like, lets me know if I'm enunciating it properly.
Speaker 1: Then it the other day with inclement inclement weather, do
Speaker 1: you say inclement or inclement? You say inclement.
Speaker 2: No, that's another plausible way of saying it wrong. I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know inclement, it's inclement, I don't know clement.
Speaker 1: It's bizarre. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It's bizarre because the truth of it, it's not like
Speaker 2: any of them is actually right or wrong. It's really
Speaker 2: just a percentage. So there is a percentage of people
Speaker 2: that say superfluous instead of superfluous, okay, and that percentage
Speaker 2: is probably higher than people that's that say in clement
Speaker 2: versus inclement.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, envelope envelope saying either one,
Speaker 2: it's more likely to be considered right by most people.
Speaker 2: It's not like one of them is incorrect.
Speaker 1: How does this get back to the fact that I
Speaker 1: don't think you went to Berkeley? Good? Did anybody ever
Speaker 1: verify like your background? I'm just saying like that because
Speaker 1: you did. You know, this is Hollywood. Nobody verifies what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, so you.
Speaker 2: Have heard of dialoge coaches.
Speaker 1: Are there lies on your Wikipedia page or things that
Speaker 1: aren't true? There isn't mine?
Speaker 2: Shoot, okay, let me let me think there there. Certainly
Speaker 2: there certainly was at one point in time. I put
Speaker 2: my birth date on Wikipedia because I often forge a Wikipedia.
Speaker 2: What do you say?
Speaker 1: Wikipedia? Oh?
Speaker 2: Wow? Do you also say Pokemon?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: I don't ever say that, because I'm a fucking adult.
Speaker 2: No, I'm definitely a Wikipedia person.
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to say Wikipedia? I say Wikipedia? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: I I I always ask because I know, oh you know,
Speaker 1: I have a Florida public school education. I know the
Speaker 1: hand that I was apology, and I know I say
Speaker 1: things wrong all the time, so I always stop when
Speaker 1: somebody says something different. I'm like, wait, am I saying it?
Speaker 1: So I'm supposed to be saying Wikipedia?
Speaker 2: I mean, supposed to is a weird thing. I would
Speaker 2: say more Americans probably say Wikipedia, I guess, which just
Speaker 2: shows how mainstream it is.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the language stuff. So how many languages
Speaker 1: can you actually speak? And I'm not talking bullshit ones I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, like the ones that I feel good about,
Speaker 2: just speaking little bits of.
Speaker 1: Tiny bits, probably five six. Okay, this, I mean that's impressive,
Speaker 1: but not like, oh my goodness, now it's not all right.
Speaker 1: So when did you create your first language? And by
Speaker 1: the way, some of your earlier languages do you look
Speaker 1: back on and.
Speaker 2: Go ooh, oh, goshyah, of course. But I created my
Speaker 2: first language my second my second year at Berkeley. I
Speaker 2: had been studying Arabic in Russian the first year, and
Speaker 2: I had to stop both of them because the next
Speaker 2: Arabic course is going to be offered at nine in
Speaker 2: the morning, which is way too early, and the next
Speaker 2: Russian course is going to be offered it eight in
Speaker 2: the morning, which is just even earlier than too early.
Speaker 1: And so you were like, like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: learn Russian or Arabic because of the time of day
Speaker 1: that it was taught. Yes, Instead, I'm going to focus
Speaker 1: on Klingon.
Speaker 2: I started studying linguistics, which was really cool. And really
Speaker 2: fascinating because it's a scientific study of all languages, and
Speaker 2: so you don't focus on learning anyone language, you learn
Speaker 2: the patterns behind them. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I really took to it very easily. I did miss
Speaker 2: the language study, though, and so part of what I
Speaker 2: did was I started creating my own language to kind
Speaker 2: of incorporate elements of languages that I missed. Arabic in particular.
Speaker 2: Loved the Arabic language. Oh it's just a lifehole, so scary,
Speaker 2: ah really not really Grammatically it works like nothing else
Speaker 2: I'd ever seen.
Speaker 1: But jive? Do you speak jive?
Speaker 5: She me?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: How came up?
Speaker 5: Me?
Speaker 1: Messing?
Speaker 2: My old lady got to be running cool upside down?
Speaker 2: Is he not a language? It's more of a well, okay,
Speaker 2: hold on, how dare you When we say when we
Speaker 2: say not a language, it's kind of like saying, like,
Speaker 2: is American English a language? The answer is yes, of
Speaker 2: course it is, but it's not a separate language from English.
Speaker 2: Al told you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So it's like any type of a dialect, you know,
Speaker 2: is that a language? Like, of course it's a language.
Speaker 2: It's an instantiation of a language, but that dialect is
Speaker 2: not going to be a separate language from another dialect.
Speaker 2: That's why it's called a dialect.
Speaker 1: Talking in tongues.
Speaker 4: Yeah, haamalana lel.
Speaker 1: Are you jealous of them? No?
Speaker 2: That's I mean, it's just complete bullshit, all right? What Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you kidd me though. That's a beautiful language. Can
Speaker 1: you decipher someone that's talking in tongues?
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. You can actually tell if somebody
Speaker 2: is talking in tongues, if they're if their native language
Speaker 2: is English, if their native language is French, and so
Speaker 2: on and so forth. Because it's basically a gibberish, but
Speaker 2: gibberish itself has patterns to it.
Speaker 1: I was gonna speak a lot of gibberish to you
Speaker 1: during this interview, but I won't.
Speaker 5: Do.
Speaker 1: You want to know why, because all of my gibberish
Speaker 1: tends to start to head very Asian for some reason,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't want to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know why it does it. But when I
Speaker 1: speak gibberish, all of a sudden, it's like, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: you haven't been canceled, because it does seem like every
Speaker 1: made up language kind of teeters on a little racist. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Now I will say this, the people that I create
Speaker 2: languages for often tend towards some sort of racist definitely.
Speaker 2: I usually try to kind of rescue it by putting
Speaker 2: a language in there that is more or less realistic.
Speaker 2: And the truth is that, I mean, languages themselves, they
Speaker 2: don't have any characteristics that you know, that reflect anything
Speaker 2: about a race or region of people. I mean there's
Speaker 2: the vocabulary items themselves, right, but nothing about the nunciation,
Speaker 2: nothing about the grammar. All of that is just kind
Speaker 2: of cultureless.
Speaker 1: Really, did you know that this was what you were
Speaker 1: going to do? Had you met anyone that had done
Speaker 1: this before?
Speaker 2: No, I like many people I think before like two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, really, or many people who created languages.
Speaker 2: Were they independently invented the idea. Some had heard about Tolkien,
Speaker 2: some had heard about Klingon. I hadn't happened to so,
Speaker 2: so like many others, I kind of independently invented the
Speaker 2: idea of creating my own language. It was fun, and
Speaker 2: then when I met others, I was like, ah, crap,
Speaker 2: Now I don't have a corner on the market.
Speaker 1: And are others there, tons of thousands. Are any of
Speaker 1: them successful in what regard making a living somebody giving
Speaker 1: you more than a dollar?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think anybody else has ever made a
Speaker 2: living doing this. There's certainly other people that have been
Speaker 2: paid to do it. Yeah, and it's and it's growing.
Speaker 2: It's a growing field. But I don't think anybody before
Speaker 2: me actually made a living creating.
Speaker 1: Like, can AI just take your job away from you?
Speaker 1: Can AI do like just made up stuff?
Speaker 2: AI can take anybody's job if the person employing them
Speaker 2: values the AI over a human being. So it's like,
Speaker 2: if you think about like writers in Hollywood, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: if the producer doesn't care, absolutely, AI can take a
Speaker 2: writer's job. If they care even the slightest amount, they'll
Speaker 2: see what the AI is producing is chipperish.
Speaker 1: Okay, And I stand with with the producers as a rule,
Speaker 1: whoever is writing the check, that's who I stand with.
Speaker 2: But you know, they've been doing gibberish for created languages
Speaker 2: ever since Hollywood has existed. They're still doing it with
Speaker 2: Star Wars in the Star Wars universe. They love their gibberish.
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me talk some dollars, Okay, because
Speaker 1: I need to know this and I need you to
Speaker 1: answer it honestly. If you if you feel like you don't,
Speaker 1: you can. You don't have to do your own personal experience.
Speaker 1: But yeah, a real, real big budget television show hires
Speaker 1: you to create a language. They can pay whatever. What's
Speaker 1: the rate to come up with a language?
Speaker 2: I've never met. I've never worked on a television show
Speaker 2: or movie that wasn't strapped for cash. It was just
Speaker 2: like in negotiations with them, it would be like, oh gosh,
Speaker 2: and I tell you, we just the budget. It's just
Speaker 2: so constrained. We don't have a lot of money for
Speaker 2: right now. Every single one was absolutely destitute and.
Speaker 1: There's no union to protect you for god. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: well give me a ballparker what I can think? You
Speaker 1: know what? I could go in as an asking.
Speaker 2: Price anywhere from like four hundred dollars to like one hundred.
Speaker 1: Thousand, and as for the whole project.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everything in between. There's absolutely no consistency.
Speaker 1: But about one hundred thousand, could that be a project
Speaker 1: that only takes you a month to do?
Speaker 2: Well, that's an interesting question. So when it comes to
Speaker 2: create a language, I mean theoretically, theoretically right, you could
Speaker 2: just do it instantly, right, because language only exists in
Speaker 2: your mind, and so if you can come up with
Speaker 2: all of this stuff and it coheres and you can
Speaker 2: remember it, right, you can just create a language just
Speaker 2: by snapping your fingers. The problem, Yeah, the problem is
Speaker 2: will you remember that seven months from now? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so and so. Where where the time comes in is
Speaker 2: recording all of this stuff so that you can reproduce
Speaker 2: it and others can reproduce it and it remains consistent.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you put all the rules into it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you gotta do you come up with swear words?
Speaker 2: Oh that's usually what they asked for first?
Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, racist terms? Do you do that?
Speaker 2: On Defiance?
Speaker 1: I did Jongushi I.
Speaker 2: Defiance was a great project, but where I created four
Speaker 2: different languages, four different writing systems. It was a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of different aliens that existed on Earth because they
Speaker 2: basically all crashed landed there and so like everybody spoke
Speaker 2: each other's languages or little bits of it. You know,
Speaker 2: there were there were swear terms. There absolutely were, like
Speaker 2: racist terms for the other aliens from other aliens from humans.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 1: What about the N word? Did you ever have to
Speaker 1: come up with something for it?
Speaker 2: I mean, not that specifically.
Speaker 1: No, Okay, yeah, well I was just curious as I
Speaker 1: got to put it on my list of do not
Speaker 1: ever say or rap? Right, do you hate pooty Tang
Speaker 1: because you weren't involved in that movie.
Speaker 2: Shane, I'm trying a complete blank.
Speaker 1: You don't remember Pooty Tang Sippy on the run of Haigh.
Speaker 1: This was nineties, right, No, it was Luis c. K
Speaker 1: did it with Chris Rock. They produced it. But it
Speaker 1: was a he spoke his own language, He had his
Speaker 1: belt and he would whip bitches. This is a was
Speaker 1: this early two thousands in it might be two thousand
Speaker 1: and one Tang came out.
Speaker 2: God, I was getting it confused with with bowfinger for
Speaker 2: a minute.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, was all about a made up language. You've
Speaker 1: never even watched it, No, David, you should definitely watch
Speaker 1: Pooti Dang. I mean just just I think comedically because
Speaker 1: it was so it was like such a disaster, like
Speaker 1: it did so bad and then it became you know,
Speaker 1: whenever they try to pretend that movies are uh, you know,
Speaker 1: good afterwards. But Valerian, which one's that that was one
Speaker 1: of the languages from Game of Thrones. Can you speak
Speaker 1: all of these languages perfectly?
Speaker 2: Or no? I mean I can pronounce it.
Speaker 1: My name is Daniel. Can you say that in Valerian?
Speaker 2: Let's see you have BROSI Daniel, Lisa.
Speaker 1: That sounds beautiful, sounds like Italian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can do it. I can do it like
Speaker 2: you know orkishy too, you have pros. There you go,
Speaker 2: that's beautiful. That's neat too, because I made a dual
Speaker 2: lingo for that one dual lingo course.
Speaker 1: Now, so let's forget my name is Daniel, and let's
Speaker 1: talk about the fact that we can download an app
Speaker 1: and we can put in your languages into them.
Speaker 2: Just Ti Valerian, yeah, High Valerian. Uh yeah, oh god,
Speaker 2: hey I didn't make that up. George R. Martin did.
Speaker 2: And by the way, and that and that, by the
Speaker 2: way is kind of bs. So there's there's this German.
Speaker 2: One of the dialects is called High German. But it's
Speaker 2: not called High German because it's fancy or precious or something.
Speaker 2: That's because it was literally spoken at a higher elevation.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to just do a salute there.
Speaker 2: That was literally what it was. Well, I know, I
Speaker 2: didn't know what you're doing, was like all right, or
Speaker 2: rather fine, you're gonna you're gonna edit this terribly for me,
Speaker 2: aren't you No?
Speaker 1: I again, you you were fine. It was it was
Speaker 1: where I went that was wrong. How did you How
Speaker 1: did you sell Jesse on this this bullshit career?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I know, so Jesse was.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Jesse was so she decided to start creating languages on
Speaker 2: her own. Like many people, good grief, two of you
Speaker 2: under one roof. There's so many, There's so many. But
Speaker 2: she was a professor of linguistics for for many years.
Speaker 2: And actually it was pretty funny at the time. Like
Speaker 2: when I first met her or or knew about her,
Speaker 2: I absolutely despised her. She didn't know this, yeah, because
Speaker 2: she won't listen to this. She was, that's fine, but
Speaker 2: she so she had contacted me. I was involved with
Speaker 2: the Language Creation Society at the time. I was I
Speaker 2: was the president of the Language Creation Society, and we
Speaker 2: were trying to kind of build ourselves up to get
Speaker 2: jobs for other language creators. And it was very difficult
Speaker 2: because honestly we were fighting against Hollywood just doing gibberish, Like,
Speaker 2: why should we pay you anything to do this when
Speaker 2: we can just write blah blah blah blah and be done.
Speaker 1: Okay. So that's that's what Hollywood does. If they don't
Speaker 1: want to pay someone like you to create a language,
Speaker 1: they just tell the actors to do gibberish. And it's
Speaker 1: still it still happens, and that still happens. And sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes they're good at it, sometimes they're not. Or is
Speaker 1: it always poor?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's always poor? Uh. Star Wars, Star Wars is
Speaker 2: the words like, you don't have to be a linguist
Speaker 2: to figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's just like you Star Wars, you this is gibberish.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all the time, my dead body. But that's
Speaker 2: a long standing tradition for Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But it's just the type of thing where it's like
Speaker 2: that that person just said the same thing twice and
Speaker 2: it meant something different and we know that because of
Speaker 2: the subtitles that were given, and so it's just like,
Speaker 2: I don't think a language can work like that.
Speaker 1: Have you met George R. R. Martin? Yeah? When's that
Speaker 1: large old man going to finish this next book?
Speaker 2: So listen, I Georgia R. Martin. I really liked him
Speaker 2: and he was really good to me, but I think
Speaker 2: there came a point where he decided, well that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk to this guy anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I just wanted to finish his next book,
Speaker 1: so I'm not done with me.
Speaker 2: He is done with me. Do you are you a
Speaker 2: big reader? Have you read the books?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Am I a big reader? I mean in that I
Speaker 1: like the words to be written really big on a page. Yes,
Speaker 1: but no, I'm not a big reader. And no, I've
Speaker 1: never read any of his books.
Speaker 2: I I uh, well, I mean I had to read
Speaker 2: them for the for the show, just so that I
Speaker 2: could say that i'd read them. I listened to them
Speaker 2: as audio books.
Speaker 1: Well that's not reading.
Speaker 2: No, And it feels different, and your memory, your recall
Speaker 2: of it is different. But it could be done while
Speaker 2: I showered, and so that I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You can't read the shower. You got to get one
Speaker 1: of those de Fogger tablets. How George has two rs
Speaker 1: in his name? What's that all about, George R. R.
Speaker 1: That's that's a real asshole move.
Speaker 2: If you ask me, it's pretty coincidental that both he
Speaker 2: and Tolkien have r R as middle names. Total coincidence, apparently.
Speaker 1: Huh what about done? Everyone says that's an amazing book.
Speaker 1: Was the movie good? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the movie was really good.
Speaker 1: Did you?
Speaker 2: I mean, did you ever see that Blade Runner twenty
Speaker 2: forty nine?
Speaker 1: The There's no way I did. I've never seen The Godfather.
Speaker 2: Oh I you know what I I saw The Godfather
Speaker 2: and and I could recommend that that's that's it's a
Speaker 2: fun it's a fun time.
Speaker 1: No, I know, it's just not my thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: if you're I just don't. I don't have three hours
Speaker 1: to watch this movie. And if if I do, it's like,
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm going to do with that three hours. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's the hand I was dealt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I got you. No Dune the first one
Speaker 2: I saw. The first one was great. Second one, Jesse
Speaker 2: and I worked on it together, and it's going to
Speaker 2: feature like a ton of my language.
Speaker 1: Wait a say, wait your language? Not Jesse. Don't get
Speaker 1: any credit for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so technically I created it right because Jesse didn't
Speaker 2: work with me on the first one, but she worked
Speaker 2: with me all throughout the second one, and she probably
Speaker 2: knows knows it now better than.
Speaker 1: Her into the deal to get her onto the show.
Speaker 2: I will shoehorn Jesse into everything and they will thank
Speaker 2: me afterwards because that's how good she is.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I say about my team. But they're
Speaker 1: furious every time. God damn, we got to employ all
Speaker 1: these assholes. How long did it take Kurt Russell to
Speaker 1: learn Yulish Jorn Lina Vick recous.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So that's funny. I was there for the
Speaker 2: the voice recording for that movie, The Christmas Chronicles. He
Speaker 2: did a pretty good job. But it's like, basically, you
Speaker 2: just heard my audio recordings and did them. You know,
Speaker 2: most of the actors, well most things I work on. Uhuh,
Speaker 2: the recordings are good enough. They hear the recordings, they
Speaker 2: do them.
Speaker 1: They're pretty good. So you realize that, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know this that acting is really it's just dumb, like
Speaker 1: they just are repeating words. But how many times do
Speaker 1: you see the Academy Awards nominate some eight year old
Speaker 1: girl that had never acted a day in her life
Speaker 1: and then she's up for the highest honor of the world.
Speaker 1: And that can only happen in acting.
Speaker 2: You can say her name Anna pac when we all know.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't mean I didn't even know. I didn't
Speaker 1: even who was talking about. But you get the point
Speaker 1: that I'm making there. I agree, there's some great actors,
Speaker 1: and by some I mean Christian Bale. And then like
Speaker 1: everybody else is like, all right, we get it. You
Speaker 1: looked the part, you know, and if you didn't look
Speaker 1: the part, well, then put on a big nose yeah,
Speaker 1: and pretend.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate, and I should say this more to them.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate when the actors just do the work
Speaker 2: of listening to the recordings that I've done, listen to
Speaker 2: the inflection that I've given it, and do their best
Speaker 2: to make it sound believable and authentic. Most of them do.
Speaker 2: Some of them are absolutely excellent, and then just the
Speaker 2: one or two that are just absolutely terrible and clearly
Speaker 2: think that that, you know, my job is just the
Speaker 2: dumbest thing in the world, and they can't even believe
Speaker 2: they're being asked to do something so embarrassing.
Speaker 1: That's the embarrassing part, that is doing the made up
Speaker 1: language versus sitting in makeup for three hours and then
Speaker 1: playing dress up and then you know, for ten minutes
Speaker 1: saying one stupid line forty different times and then getting
Speaker 1: paid a shitload of money. Oh yeah, I'm so grueling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what actors were you referring to that are just horrible
Speaker 1: and obnoxious? Go ahead and say their name. Say their
Speaker 1: name right now.
Speaker 2: There's one in particular. I think you know, I shouldn't
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well it's a hymn, so we have a hymn. Okay,
Speaker 1: now let's get a race. Let's get a race out
Speaker 1: of you. Do super fans of these shows and movies
Speaker 1: ever contact you and try to debunk or tell you
Speaker 1: that you are wrong or blah blah blah, or find
Speaker 1: air in what language that you've created?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sure, No.
Speaker 2: In fact, there was one of the most peculiar errors
Speaker 2: that ever happened. It was the last season of Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones, and there was a very short scene in
Speaker 2: which Denaris, one of the main characters, asks one of
Speaker 2: the doth Rocki.
Speaker 1: Warriors who don't ruin it? I haven't seen it is
Speaker 1: a minor thing, just to ask.
Speaker 2: Just ask him taking care of one of the dragons,
Speaker 2: how many today? Referring to how many animals did the
Speaker 2: dragons eat? And the answer was, you know, in doth
Speaker 2: Rocky something like, I think it was like three sheep
Speaker 2: and eleven goats. Anyway, why I get this tweet from
Speaker 2: somebody saying, like while the show is still airing live,
Speaker 2: he says that doth Rocky didn't sound right, okay, right,
Speaker 2: And so I go back afterwards and he was correct.
Speaker 2: The do THRACKI was incorrect because the doth ROCKI they
Speaker 2: asked for and that I gave them was three sheep
Speaker 2: and eleven goats or something like that. The subtitle, which
Speaker 2: they changed later said twelve sheep and fourteen goats. Okay,
Speaker 2: So they were like, they gave me this this line,
Speaker 2: say translate this to the rocky three sheep and elemon goats.
Speaker 2: Whatever I translate for them, I send it back. At
Speaker 2: some point in time in the production, someone said that's
Speaker 2: not enough sheep and goats.
Speaker 1: That's a network person.
Speaker 2: They're like, nobody's gonna believe this. The fans are gonna
Speaker 2: be like, what that's like, that's way too few sheep
Speaker 2: and goats. But they were like, but it's not important
Speaker 2: enough for us to go back and ask for a retranslation.
Speaker 2: Let's just change the subtitle. It was that important to them.
Speaker 2: How many sheeps and goats there were, but not important
Speaker 2: enough to actually get the dethrocky correct. In fact, it
Speaker 2: may have even been in post production after the line
Speaker 2: was already done.
Speaker 1: Here's what I learned about Game of Thrones from just
Speaker 1: this that I never knew there's dragons in the show.
Speaker 1: You never knew that. I never knew there was. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know there's dragons. Yeah, I mean, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: tell me that and maybe get interested.
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones was for dragons what Jurassic Park was
Speaker 2: for dinosaurs?
Speaker 1: Are I don't. I don't like that either, stupid?
Speaker 2: Can I Can I tell you about my favorite part
Speaker 2: of Jurassic part? Okay, so this is at the beginning.
Speaker 2: I don't know how well you remember this movie, but
Speaker 2: they're at the digging up dinosaur bones for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: There is a group of people there and he's explaining
Speaker 2: to them like they're looking at a raptor skeleton, and
Speaker 2: he says, look at this, see this this bone right
Speaker 2: here looks it looks like a bird. Then from the
Speaker 2: back there's this little kid who says, why should I
Speaker 2: be afraid of that? It just looks like a big turkey. So,
Speaker 2: first of all, I want to stop right here. Evidently
Speaker 2: because Laura Dern and Alan Grant they share a look,
Speaker 2: and they share a like here we go again, look
Speaker 2: as if this is a very common occurrence that they
Speaker 2: on this archaeological dig often give talks to people who
Speaker 2: just come by, regular ass people. Often there are kids
Speaker 2: in there, and often what the kids say, they're like,
Speaker 2: come here thinking like dinosaurs, I'm supposed to be afraid
Speaker 2: of these. And so then what happens is that Alan
Speaker 2: Grant turns around and starts to describe in detail using
Speaker 2: like a raptor, you know, claw of what the raptor
Speaker 2: would do if you found him.
Speaker 6: He says that he would eat you, maybe slice your belly,
Speaker 6: and the point is you would still be alive. And
Speaker 6: at that point it's like, okay, you did it. You
Speaker 6: frightened the child, which of course was your point as
Speaker 6: an archaeologist, this is what you were supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: Well, he was a smart alec and so you got
Speaker 1: to put him in his place, I suppose. So I
Speaker 1: think that's where they were coming from on that.
Speaker 2: One, But it was this is something that happens all
Speaker 2: the time, apparent by the logic of the scene.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, don't you want to you want to talk unrealistic.
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about the karate kid. I just I
Speaker 1: mean because the fact that he was in Resita and
Speaker 1: these rich kids on the other side of the hill
Speaker 1: and they interacted constantly, and then they're on the beach
Speaker 1: and riding bikes back from the beach to get to Resita.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have any idea how long of a
Speaker 1: fucking bike ride that would be be taken to Panga
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, it'd be a four day pedal.
Speaker 2: I never thought about that, thought about many things about
Speaker 2: that movie, never that anyway, it just seemed far.
Speaker 1: Now, see, David, you come on to my show, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate every much. But then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have to give everybody a gift for coming on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: But it's really nice.
Speaker 1: Well it's not, don't save it. So today I was like,
Speaker 1: what should I give you you? I got you a
Speaker 1: nest many by Google because I think it's perfect for
Speaker 1: you because you can just anytime you're in your house
Speaker 1: just say hey, Google, how do you say? And that'll
Speaker 1: help you out. So I don't know who why I
Speaker 1: own this, but now I don't so by the way.
Speaker 1: I'm not sponsored by Google, but man, I would love
Speaker 1: it if if you would Google sponsor me, and I'll
Speaker 1: fucking tell people your shit is worth keeping and not
Speaker 1: giving away.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That that wonderful because I actually have a
Speaker 2: couple of these things and now I can just get it.
Speaker 1: It looks a little sleeker than I thought, or be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I mean, and look at hooks to Spotify.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, you and your fiance right a YouTube
Speaker 1: channel where you'd make languages for animals or what is this? Yes?
Speaker 1: We do, all right.
Speaker 2: So I had this board game idea that I've been
Speaker 2: working on for years and I like board games, love them,
Speaker 2: so do I absolutely?
Speaker 1: I mean I like some of them. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'd like the same ones.
Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, So it was just going to be a
Speaker 2: series of anthropomorphic animals fighting each other, and in order
Speaker 2: to do that, I was like, well, the animals need
Speaker 2: to have names, and in order for them to have names,
Speaker 2: they need to have languages behind them. And so I thought, well,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be fun if we just did this the
Speaker 2: long form way? And what we do is for two
Speaker 2: hours every Thursday, we sit down and we I know,
Speaker 2: I know, we sit down and we start creating a language,
Speaker 2: and we start from absolutely nothing and just go week
Speaker 2: by week build it up, and pretty soon you see
Speaker 2: how it's done.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a complicated game. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Yeah, I like, like, sorry, I don't have
Speaker 1: to I don't have to do that symbol. But I
Speaker 1: do enjoy Sorry, although I find I find it a
Speaker 1: bit tedious. I don't think we need four pawns. I
Speaker 1: think two would be plenty to speed this shitty game up.
Speaker 1: I'm always reshuffling. Uh, I literally like try to like
Speaker 1: help my son win. But anyway, you know what game
Speaker 1: I really hate that that ticket to tickets to ride,
Speaker 1: ticket to ticket to ride.
Speaker 2: You don't like ticket?
Speaker 1: You want to know what I hate about it? What
Speaker 1: do you hate? I hate? The board isn't very solid,
Speaker 1: it's kind of flimsy, and then the light plastic pieces
Speaker 1: barely stay where they're anybody bumps the table at all,
Speaker 1: and fucking my long run is shot. I hate. I
Speaker 1: hate the game. I'll be honest with I hate the game,
Speaker 1: and I hate the game. That's why I like, Uh,
Speaker 1: what's the game that I like Uh, it's very beautiful.
Speaker 1: The heavy pieces. It's like the four what do you
Speaker 1: call what's it called? Quarto? Do you ever play quarto? No?
Speaker 2: I haven't even heard of that.
Speaker 1: Quarto's beautiful. It's a beautiful board. The pieces are beautiful
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's really good on the mind, you know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: whatever Quarto? I like Quarto. You play Monopoly? Deal?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Oh man, you got to play Monopoly. Now that's not
Speaker 1: a negatively board game. It's a card game. Okay, but
Speaker 1: it's like Monopoly. But they've found a way to condense
Speaker 1: it to where it's like ten to fifteen minute games. Oh,
Speaker 1: and it's amazing. Oh is it amazing? Rummy cub or
Speaker 1: do you say Rummy cube?
Speaker 2: Remy cube?
Speaker 1: You say rummy cube. Oh you're the expert. I'll say
Speaker 1: Rummy Cube for the rest of my life. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not Rummy cub it's Rummy Cube.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: And for that one, I think that we actually I
Speaker 2: don't know if I heard somebody say it, but they
Speaker 2: might say it in the rules.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a few things in the rules that
Speaker 1: are debatable, okay, you know, and it usually involves the
Speaker 1: joker and like cause like you have to or the joker.
Speaker 1: What is it called a joker? Yeah, maybe it is,
Speaker 1: but you have to use that tile with two from
Speaker 1: your board. But can you end? What if you just
Speaker 1: have one joke or left as your last tile? Can
Speaker 1: you play it anywhere? I think you can. There's a
Speaker 1: few things that I don't understand, right right O. Possums
Speaker 1: a language for apossum, we sure do.
Speaker 2: That was when I learned how you're insane. That was
Speaker 2: when I learned that possum was short for a possum.
Speaker 2: I thought that was that was the real word.
Speaker 1: No, there's two different ones there. It's not. Well.
Speaker 2: For first of all, there are two different apostums. There's
Speaker 2: the Australian one and then the American one.
Speaker 1: I thought there was one called possum.
Speaker 2: No, possum is apparently the shortening of a possum. I
Speaker 2: thought a possum with a lengthening of possum.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a possome. I thought it was opossum.
Speaker 1: I don't think you know opossum. It's not opossum. Am
Speaker 1: I'm stupid.
Speaker 2: That's I think that sounds to me the way Wikipedia
Speaker 2: sounds to you, By the way, is it Florida or Florida.
Speaker 1: I don't care. How do you say in doth racky.
Speaker 1: I'm beginning to believe that marrying you was a mistake. No,
Speaker 1: I don't need that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually have no idea.
Speaker 1: David. Thank you for being here. I appreciate it all
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Talk to you soon, Pasha. Well, thank you David for
Speaker 1: being on the show. Or should I say, ny Carl,
Speaker 1: did you enjoy that made up language David was talking
Speaker 1: about Guy. Guy's a nerd. I mean in the in
Speaker 1: the nicest way possible, but just kind of a nerd. Huh. Anyway,
Speaker 1: A few updates for those of you that care. I
Speaker 1: remember my car Guy Marty. I asked him if he
Speaker 1: could find an E thirty green manual convertible mission accomplished,
Speaker 1: had it for a few weeks now, Carl and I
Speaker 1: love it. Take drives up the pH Carl keeps his
Speaker 1: head out the window, and I'm just feverishly texting, just
Speaker 1: praying everything goes away. Another update, Rock the Drag Queen.
Speaker 1: Oh that was that was an episode that divided the nation.
Speaker 1: Just want you to know that he did receive that
Speaker 1: big wooden cock and he's enjoying that piece of furniture now,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he is. Okay, time for some plugs, Boyswearpink
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Speaker 1: Don't forget to tune into the Goat whenever the hell
Speaker 1: that show comes out? What else do we have? My
Speaker 1: tour dates coming up? Looking forward to performing in NorCal
Speaker 1: and where else? The Midwest? Kentucky, Oh, that'll be funny, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Vegas.
Speaker 1: That's not the Midwest, that's West West. Gonna be at
Speaker 1: the Cosmopolitan, my first time there, not my first time,
Speaker 1: my first time performing there. Okay, well you might as
Speaker 1: well get ready to take a nap because it's time
Speaker 1: for my son's bedtime story. See you guys next week.
Speaker 5: Once upon time, they were the pre round. Anyone wanted
Speaker 5: to play down. It was so so fun, But one
Speaker 5: of them didn't white. The only idea when they turned
Speaker 5: white on or so sun. But and then the police kick,
Speaker 5: the police dyed kick, and they were ducked out, and
Speaker 5: and and the post got bidder and bidder and bidder
Speaker 5: until until they had to did their home, for it
Speaker 5: was so bad.
Speaker 1: Got bigger the poet. The park. Yeah, the park got
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger. Yeah, what does it mean?
Speaker 2: That mean it what it?
Speaker 5: White flocked in the did and he did all the
Speaker 5: tall But then did Biddle and Biddler?
Speaker 1: How was the park getting bigger and bigger?
Speaker 5: Wait? Wait, I don't know. Tornado tided maybe, and that
Speaker 5: made you Biddle and Diddler And when a whole alia.
Speaker 5: I didn't know why, I didn't know Sun.
Speaker 1: Is this a true story?
Speaker 5: Yes? And don't I know?
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 1: That's scary.
Speaker 5: Dam