WEBVTT - My Fictional Language Creator - David Peterson 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.120 Hey, guys, I have to remind you wherever you're listening 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.040 to this podcast to make sure that you rate it 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:07.640 but rate it five stars. If you're gonna rate it 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.600 four stars, you know what, don't even bother five stars. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:18.760 Please also subscribe. That matters. Subscribe and rate but rate high. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:20.959 All right, So when did you create your first language? And, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:22.920 by the way, some of your earlier languages do you 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:24.200 look back on and go, oh. 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.040 Gosh, yeah, of course. But I created my first language 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.800 my second my second year at Berkeley. 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.040 I mean, do you put all the rules into it? 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:33.320 Absolutely? You gotta. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.480 Do you come up with swear words? Oh? 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.200 That's usually what they asked for first? 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:47.840 Uh huh yeah, tashhash Tosh Show Club show. 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:54.600 Hello, it's me your host, Daniel, and welcome to Tosh Show. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:01:07.600 Now hit me with some smooth jazz. That feels right. Oh, 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:13.760 I'm gonna keep going. I get it. Let it play 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:18.200 all right. That seems like enough. Eddie you with me? 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.280 I'm with you, good to hear. Let's start with our 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.840 favorite segment Hello from Toss Show, where I send a 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:32.120 personal hello to one of our subscribers. Now, this one 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.880 comes from Stuart. He's a fan from the United Kingdom. 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:42.759 WHOA That means the Toss Show is mister worldwide. That's exciting. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.880 Stuart went through some tough times last year, but listening 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.600 to my comedy has provided some degree of comfort to him. Well, 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.600 I don't believe you, Stuart, but it's a very nice 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:58.640 thing to say. Who else we got? James in Monterey 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:03.080 listens with his day add on the way to school. Uh, 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.720 my dad and I used to listen to old Focus 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:16.040 on the Family sermons, equally impactful, I'd say, yeah, different times. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.400 All right, what's going on? The oscars? Gearing up for 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:24.000 the Oscars? Getting so excited? What's nominated for Best Picture? Eddie? 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.440 So we've got ten of them? Well, stop there, at Eddie? 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:31.120 You just you said ten? Ten? Holy shit? All right, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.320 let's see it. What do we got? We get? American 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:34.360 fiction didn't see it. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:35.880 Anatomy of a Fall. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.880 Didn't see it. The Holdovers didn't see it. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.840 Killers of the Flower Moon didn't see it. Maestro didn't 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.800 see it. Oppenheimer didn't see it. Past Lives didn't see it. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.120 Poor things, what was it? Poor things didn't see it? 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.320 The Zone of Interest, Oh god, it didn't see it? 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:56.720 Barbie. All right, that's ten. That's ten. Guess what I'm guessing. 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.320 Guess out loud, I guess, I'll loud. Guess ten. You've 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.839 seen three? I said, didn't see it. I didn't see it. 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:12.760 The fuck's wrong with you, idiot? I saw Barbie. I 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.960 saw one of the ten. This is why I could 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.200 never host for a lot of reasons, but one the 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.080 main reason is I wouldn't even want to watch these 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.959 movies to write a joke about them. I saw Barbie. Ah, 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:33.440 and here's what I loved about Barbie. Running time under 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.680 two hours. I guarantee you what's the running time on 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.000 all those movies. You don't have to tell me. I 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.520 already know too long. But I saw Barbie, and guess what. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:45.960 Enjoyed it. Didn't think I was gonna enjoy it. My 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:47.640 wife wanting to watch it. We watched it. I was like, oh, 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.400 I love it. I love Margot Robbie. Most of you 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:55.040 know Margot Robbie and I would have gotten married had 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.080 it not been for the fact that my mother is 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.440 also named Margo, and that's a breaker. Hey, guess what 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.680 I just learned what the other day, I had this 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.400 pondering question and I was like, you know, I'm going 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.480 to look this up and see if it's a thing, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:16.560 and sure, shit, it is. Some people when they floss 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.600 their teeth, I'm one of them. When you floss your teeth, 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.039 your nose itches. And I was like, this has to 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.840 be a thing, because every time I floss my nose 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:30.880 really itches. And apparently, according to this one study that 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.599 was done that there's some wires in your brain that 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.279 get mixed up when you're flossing, and it makes you 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.279 think your nose itches. Isn't that interesting? That is? I 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.600 thought it was? What was I talking about? The oscars? 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.120 That's the problem. This is the biggest night in Hollywood, 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:53.200 and I'm way more fascinated by my nose itching while 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.359 flossing my teeth. No, I'm sure those movies were great 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.800 and the people, you know, they did a lot of 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.960 hard work to make them. So there's nine movie or 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:03.600 did you see any of those movies? How many of 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:07.520 the ten did you see? Eddie two point five? Oh? 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:12.200 Which one of those did you turn off halfway through? Openheimer? Oppenheimer? 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:13.560 Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:18.760 It's Oppenheimer. I think we all agree it's Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer. Hey, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.680 I'll tell you what you should do instead of watching Oppenheimer, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.919 watch John Wick four twice and thank me later. Let's 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.960 get this show on the road. If you watch the 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.640 Oscars this weekend, you won't see today's guest. He works 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.120 on movies and is the best at what he does, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.920 but the Oscars don't have a category for it, probably 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:49.719 because his job is too stupid. Enjoy Pasha, my guest today, 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.320 has created languages for Game of Thrones, Dune, and dozens 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.520 of other things I've never seen. He's a nightmare to 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.960 play scrabble with and has my favorite made up job. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.440 Please welcome David. David, thank you for being here. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.680 Thank you for having me. By the way, I haven't 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.120 even seen everything that I've worked on. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.360 Well, you know what, I always hate to say this 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.480 to people. I hate to be completely honest when it 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.960 comes to movies and things like that. I haven't seen 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.440 a lot and I don't enjoy watching a ton of stuff. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.160 Sometimes i'll watch them, I'm like, oh, that was good, 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.320 that was great, but like, yes, I've never seen a 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.800 frame of Game of Thrones and it's not my thing. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.040 But people always think I'm saying it because I think, oh, 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.480 I'm too cool to watch TV. No, I could, you know, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.240 I could watch the Kardashians. I'll just put that on. 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.719 I'll find it interesting for a little bit. I guess 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.760 I like to watch sports. What am I gonna do? 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:43.160 Yeah? 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:43.479 I am? 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:44.080 Who I am? 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:45.760 No, I get that. I think that of all the 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.400 things that I've worked on, the only things I would 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.440 have watched probably are the Marvel movies, just because you know, 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:52.720 it was a big thing to go out and see 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:57.080 the Marvel movies and Elemental the Pixar movie, because I 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.640 like watching the Pixar movies. Other than that, probably would 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.080 not have watched anything that I worked on, just on 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:02.480 my own. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.159 You were a part of Elemental, Oh you bet so. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.520 It's Jesse, my my fiance. We both worked on it. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.680 Your names, that's easy day. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.920 Elemental As has a place in my heart really because 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.760 it's the first movie that I took my son to 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.960 see in a theater. Oh. We like wait, we we 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.520 like wait. We looked at the lineup of what was 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.520 coming out, and we've like Elemental that's gonna be the one. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.200 And it was his first It was a big day. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.440 We built it up for like months and months, and 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.760 we went to a theater and it was. It was 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.640 like it was the cutest thing in the world watching it. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.640 So now I care about that movie for the rest 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.280 of my life. So you are a conno lingus? Am 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.120 I saying that? Right? Con? What is it? 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:48.440 No? 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.440 It's not Conda Langer or conn Langer? 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.320 Con Linger con lang Linger? 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.320 Is that a? Is that a real thing? It is? Now? 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.400 It's in the Oxford English Dictionary. We got it in there. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.240 I have so many questions, but my first question that 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:09.200 I ask all my guests, do you believe in ghosts? 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.200 Absolutely not? And I want to go on record and 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.480 make sure that everybody knows, No, I do not believe 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.440 in ghosts, not one bit. However, I am absolutely terrified 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:19.720 of them. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:24.600 Oh that's the right answer. Thank you. How do I 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:29.320 get into this bullshit career of yours? You make up languages? 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.720 First of all, I want to you're highly educated, allegedly 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.640 fairly like, did you really go to Berkeley? Because I 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.400 don't believe you? And I'll tell you why, sure, just 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:44.240 because I feel like you're in a profession. It's not 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.199 like you're the governor. They're not going to really check, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.400 like they could just be anything written on your Wikipedia 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.719 page and I'm taking it as gospel. Yeah, but you're 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.360 saying you did go enough. 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:59.520 I've got some photographs, but no, Like, it's an interesting 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.480 point you about language specifically when it comes to not checking, 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.600 because language is the type of thing where it's different 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.880 from anything else that's going to be on a television 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.480 show or a movie. Right, If you're making a physical 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.600 prop for a movie or a television show, what it 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.480 needs to do is it needs to look real on screen. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.960 It doesn't matter that the throne made out of swords 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.200 on Game of Thrones wasn't actually made out of melted 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.640 down swords if it looks like it was, and in fact, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.960 it was three D printed, but it doesn't matter because 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.959 it looks like swords on screen. And that's fine. A language, though, 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.520 and this isn't just a created language I'm talking about 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.920 any language. Languages aren't real things. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.160 Right, They're all eventually are at some point. We're just 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:43.679 made up. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.520 Yeah, And not only that, they don't exist anywhere. Like, So, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.920 if you think about English right now, we're both speaking it, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.760 we both understand it, but it's not as if it's somewhere, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.520 you know, It's not as if English exists somewhere and 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.840 we can go check to see if what we said 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.160 is really English. You know, it's just English, if basically 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.040 you understand what I'm saying, and we both agree that 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.599 we're speaking speaking English of other people agree and understand, 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.480 and so there's no way to check or verify. That's 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:13.640 something I use it. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.839 I always use my phone for a word and in 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.680 Google like, lets me know if I'm enunciating it properly. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.840 Then it the other day with inclement inclement weather, do 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.480 you say inclement or inclement? You say inclement. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.040 No, that's another plausible way of saying it wrong. I'm thinking, 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:30.480 I don't know. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.439 I don't know inclement, it's inclement, I don't know clement. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.320 It's bizarre. It doesn't matter. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.080 It's bizarre because the truth of it, it's not like 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.040 any of them is actually right or wrong. It's really 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.760 just a percentage. So there is a percentage of people 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:49.320 that say superfluous instead of superfluous, okay, and that percentage 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:53.720 is probably higher than people that's that say in clement 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:54.880 versus inclement. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:55.600 Right. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.880 But on the other hand, envelope envelope saying either one, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.280 it's more likely to be considered right by most people. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.079 It's not like one of them is incorrect. 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.240 How does this get back to the fact that I 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:12.240 don't think you went to Berkeley? Good? Did anybody ever 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.240 verify like your background? I'm just saying like that because 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.320 you did. You know, this is Hollywood. Nobody verifies what 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.240 I'm saying. Yeah, so you. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.200 Have heard of dialoge coaches. 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.600 Are there lies on your Wikipedia page or things that 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:27.920 aren't true? There isn't mine? 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.480 Shoot, okay, let me let me think there there. Certainly 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.080 there certainly was at one point in time. I put 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:37.000 my birth date on Wikipedia because I often forge a Wikipedia. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:38.680 What do you say? 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:40.360 Wikipedia? Oh? 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.439 Wow? Do you also say Pokemon? 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:43.200 No? 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.800 I don't ever say that, because I'm a fucking adult. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.720 No, I'm definitely a Wikipedia person. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:55.319 Am I supposed to say Wikipedia? I say Wikipedia? Oh? Yes, 0:11:55.440 --> 0:12:01.040 I I I always ask because I know, oh you know, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.440 I have a Florida public school education. I know the 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.560 hand that I was apology, and I know I say 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.600 things wrong all the time, so I always stop when 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.760 somebody says something different. I'm like, wait, am I saying it? 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:12.840 So I'm supposed to be saying Wikipedia? 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.440 I mean, supposed to is a weird thing. I would 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:20.240 say more Americans probably say Wikipedia, I guess, which just 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:21.600 shows how mainstream it is. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.080 Let's get into the language stuff. So how many languages 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.920 can you actually speak? And I'm not talking bullshit ones I. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.720 Don't know, like the ones that I feel good about, 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:31.199 just speaking little bits of. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:36.199 Tiny bits, probably five six. Okay, this, I mean that's impressive, 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.280 but not like, oh my goodness, now it's not all right. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.040 So when did you create your first language? And by 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.040 the way, some of your earlier languages do you look 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:42.719 back on and. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.280 Go ooh, oh, goshyah, of course. But I created my 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.080 first language my second my second year at Berkeley. I 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:54.120 had been studying Arabic in Russian the first year, and 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.480 I had to stop both of them because the next 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.480 Arabic course is going to be offered at nine in 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.640 the morning, which is way too early, and the next 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.640 Russian course is going to be offered it eight in 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.240 the morning, which is just even earlier than too early. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.319 And so you were like, like, I don't want to 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.000 learn Russian or Arabic because of the time of day 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.520 that it was taught. Yes, Instead, I'm going to focus 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:14.520 on Klingon. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:20.160 I started studying linguistics, which was really cool. And really 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.360 fascinating because it's a scientific study of all languages, and 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.920 so you don't focus on learning anyone language, you learn 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.079 the patterns behind them. It was a lot of fun. 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.440 I really took to it very easily. I did miss 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.080 the language study, though, and so part of what I 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.000 did was I started creating my own language to kind 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:41.040 of incorporate elements of languages that I missed. Arabic in particular. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.079 Loved the Arabic language. Oh it's just a lifehole, so scary, 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.360 ah really not really Grammatically it works like nothing else 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:50.120 I'd ever seen. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.480 But jive? Do you speak jive? 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:53.800 She me? 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:54.439 Then? 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:55.040 How came up? 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:55.120 Me? 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:55.400 Messing? 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.760 My old lady got to be running cool upside down? 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.680 Is he not a language? It's more of a well, okay, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.960 hold on, how dare you When we say when we 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:04.880 say not a language, it's kind of like saying, like, 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.200 is American English a language? The answer is yes, of 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:12.000 course it is, but it's not a separate language from English. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:13.400 Al told you know what I'm saying. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:13.839 I don't know. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.800 So it's like any type of a dialect, you know, 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.200 is that a language? Like, of course it's a language. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.200 It's an instantiation of a language, but that dialect is 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.360 not going to be a separate language from another dialect. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:27.640 That's why it's called a dialect. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:29.240 Talking in tongues. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:35.000 Yeah, haamalana lel. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.160 Are you jealous of them? No? 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.000 That's I mean, it's just complete bullshit, all right? What Yeah? 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.120 Absolutely, you kidd me though. That's a beautiful language. Can 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.440 you decipher someone that's talking in tongues? 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.400 Well, here's the thing. You can actually tell if somebody 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.640 is talking in tongues, if they're if their native language 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.480 is English, if their native language is French, and so 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.240 on and so forth. Because it's basically a gibberish, but 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.280 gibberish itself has patterns to it. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.440 I was gonna speak a lot of gibberish to you 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:02.880 during this interview, but I won't. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:02.960 Do. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.280 You want to know why, because all of my gibberish 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:10.320 tends to start to head very Asian for some reason, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.520 and I don't I don't want to do it. Yeah, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.360 I don't know why it does it. But when I 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.800 speak gibberish, all of a sudden, it's like, I'm surprised 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.840 you haven't been canceled, because it does seem like every 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:27.560 made up language kind of teeters on a little racist. No, No, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:28.200 I don't think so. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.840 Now I will say this, the people that I create 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:36.680 languages for often tend towards some sort of racist definitely. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.160 I usually try to kind of rescue it by putting 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.920 a language in there that is more or less realistic. 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:48.000 And the truth is that, I mean, languages themselves, they 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:53.240 don't have any characteristics that you know, that reflect anything 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.120 about a race or region of people. I mean there's 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:00.520 the vocabulary items themselves, right, but nothing about the nunciation, 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.760 nothing about the grammar. All of that is just kind 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.560 of cultureless. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.800 Really, did you know that this was what you were 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.120 going to do? Had you met anyone that had done 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:11.680 this before? 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.080 No, I like many people I think before like two 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:19.760 thousand and nine, really, or many people who created languages. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.800 Were they independently invented the idea. Some had heard about Tolkien, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:29.000 some had heard about Klingon. I hadn't happened to so, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.000 so like many others, I kind of independently invented the 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.240 idea of creating my own language. It was fun, and 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.520 then when I met others, I was like, ah, crap, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.520 Now I don't have a corner on the market. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.640 And are others there, tons of thousands. Are any of 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:49.200 them successful in what regard making a living somebody giving 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:50.160 you more than a dollar? 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.400 No, I don't think anybody else has ever made a 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.680 living doing this. There's certainly other people that have been 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.000 paid to do it. Yeah, and it's and it's growing. 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.280 It's a growing field. But I don't think anybody before 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:02.640 me actually made a living creating. 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.359 Like, can AI just take your job away from you? 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.119 Can AI do like just made up stuff? 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.280 AI can take anybody's job if the person employing them 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.159 values the AI over a human being. So it's like, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.320 if you think about like writers in Hollywood, it's like, well, 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.520 if the producer doesn't care, absolutely, AI can take a 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.240 writer's job. If they care even the slightest amount, they'll 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.200 see what the AI is producing is chipperish. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:32.359 Okay, And I stand with with the producers as a rule, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.639 whoever is writing the check, that's who I stand with. 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.000 But you know, they've been doing gibberish for created languages 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.480 ever since Hollywood has existed. They're still doing it with 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.320 Star Wars in the Star Wars universe. They love their gibberish. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.880 Well, let me let me talk some dollars, Okay, because 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.840 I need to know this and I need you to 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.320 answer it honestly. If you if you feel like you don't, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.920 you can. You don't have to do your own personal experience. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:18:00.760 But yeah, a real, real big budget television show hires 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.800 you to create a language. They can pay whatever. What's 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:05.800 the rate to come up with a language? 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.200 I've never met. I've never worked on a television show 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:13.439 or movie that wasn't strapped for cash. It was just 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.800 like in negotiations with them, it would be like, oh gosh, 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.239 and I tell you, we just the budget. It's just 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.600 so constrained. We don't have a lot of money for 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:28.560 right now. Every single one was absolutely destitute and. 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:32.520 There's no union to protect you for god. Now, okay, 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.439 well give me a ballparker what I can think? You 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.879 know what? I could go in as an asking. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:45.359 Price anywhere from like four hundred dollars to like one hundred. 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.120 Thousand, and as for the whole project. 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.959 Yeah, and everything in between. There's absolutely no consistency. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.320 But about one hundred thousand, could that be a project 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:55.920 that only takes you a month to do? 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.400 Well, that's an interesting question. So when it comes to 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.280 create a language, I mean theoretically, theoretically right, you could 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.199 just do it instantly, right, because language only exists in 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.600 your mind, and so if you can come up with 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.480 all of this stuff and it coheres and you can 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:17.040 remember it, right, you can just create a language just 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.679 by snapping your fingers. The problem, Yeah, the problem is 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.879 will you remember that seven months from now? Yeah, and 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.320 so and so. Where where the time comes in is 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.600 recording all of this stuff so that you can reproduce 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.040 it and others can reproduce it and it remains consistent. 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.520 I mean, how do you put all the rules into it? 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.359 Absolutely, you gotta do you come up with swear words? 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.680 Oh that's usually what they asked for first? 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.359 Uh huh, yeah, racist terms? Do you do that? 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:45.800 On Defiance? 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.119 I did Jongushi I. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.640 Defiance was a great project, but where I created four 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:57.080 different languages, four different writing systems. It was a whole 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.960 bunch of different aliens that existed on Earth because they 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:05.240 basically all crashed landed there and so like everybody spoke 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.640 each other's languages or little bits of it. You know, 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.639 there were there were swear terms. There absolutely were, like 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:15.200 racist terms for the other aliens from other aliens from humans. 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:15.800 It was great. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.320 What about the N word? Did you ever have to 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:18.359 come up with something for it? 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:20.280 I mean, not that specifically. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.000 No, Okay, yeah, well I was just curious as I 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:24.399 got to put it on my list of do not 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:29.280 ever say or rap? Right, do you hate pooty Tang 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:38.480 because you weren't involved in that movie. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:37.920 Shane, I'm trying a complete blank. 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.160 You don't remember Pooty Tang Sippy on the run of Haigh. 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.520 This was nineties, right, No, it was Luis c. K 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.320 did it with Chris Rock. They produced it. But it 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.600 was a he spoke his own language, He had his 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:50.879 belt and he would whip bitches. This is a was 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.439