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Speaker 1: aka the Dark Knight. Right here in my very own

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Speaker 1: backyard is Charlotte, North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: I love you, Queen c always been good to me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with my brothers here and this is the

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Speaker 1: NFL Players Second X Podcast. But your boy, Ronan Haffin,

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Speaker 1: Pete Tillman, all right, George, come out.

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Speaker 3: This is the NFL Player Second X Podcast. I'm Roman

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Speaker 3: Harper and yes, I got my co host right here,

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Speaker 3: Charles Peena Tillman.

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Speaker 2: I love the salmon shirt. Appreciate it, man. I ate

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Speaker 2: something the other day and I just figured I might

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Speaker 2: get the shirt and just keep it going. I like

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Speaker 2: it bleeding through. Anyways, we got a great.

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Speaker 3: Guest in here for us, man, a little short short

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Speaker 3: I'm sweet man, a guy that I look at as

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Speaker 2: He means so much to me. And Peana are not talking.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about my man, Josh Norman, twelve year NFL

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Speaker 3: VET fifth round draft pick to the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 2: When we were once teammates. We all were teammates at

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Speaker 3: From the great now it is Great Coastal Carolina, Santa clears,

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Speaker 3: which I just love saying Santa clears.

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Speaker 2: Jay, you know what's up baby?

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Speaker 1: How you do it?

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Speaker 2: What is a clear bird?

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Speaker 1: It's a bird, Yes, there bird. It's almost like the

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Speaker 1: game cock, but like it's more mystical.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like a phoenis okay similar?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean it's though they saved Blee bleed teal. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like you know, bleed blue.

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Speaker 2: I got you, I got you, I got Okay.

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Speaker 3: So for all those that don't know, so my man

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Speaker 3: j No pretty much walked on in college, correct walked

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was uh.

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Speaker 1: Listen y'all setting the scene. Okay, y'all send it up. So, man,

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Speaker 1: I tell you this has been quite a just a

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Speaker 3: The coach went off for a three minute real and

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Speaker 3: Your look too much. It's always Josh got something going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just joshing Josh.

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Speaker 2: Is this true? Josh?

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Speaker 1: Well, I won't say it was true, and I won't

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Speaker 1: Training camp. It ain't like it is today, not close.

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Speaker 1: It was just I'm gonna hold my ground, and you're

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00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: gonna know I'm gonna hold my ground and I'm not

436
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: gonna move from this mark. Now, if you're trying to

437
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: get over this park, you don't have to go through me,

438
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: and it ain't abody to happen. So I don't know

439
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: what you want me to say to you, but I'm

440
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: not him and I'm not them. I mean, yeah, we'll

441
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: be right back after a quick break. I got like

442
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: two things I got to bring up. I think they're

443
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: so crucial. Number One, your situation was one of the rare.

444
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: Situations in NFL, right where you got franchise tagged and

445
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 3: then they took the franchise tag back, like I don't

446
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 3: think that ever happens, right, And then you had this

447
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: period of like, however many days where you can go

448
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: be a free agent now when before you were not

449
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 3: a free agent. It was like the I don't think

450
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: I've ever seen this case in any other time. So

451
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: have you seen you know what I'm saying, that's the

452
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 3: one time? Yeah, yeah, they time. So I want to

453
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: know what was that like, because I think the fans

454
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: and everybody that were so sad here in Carolina, they

455
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 3: all want to know, and I think people need to though,

456
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 3: just got to walk us through that whole situation.

457
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: Only in Carolina. I can say that in Carolina. I mean,

458
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: you gotta think about this for a moment, right, I've

459
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: been Carolina blue and blue and through my whole entire

460
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: life since I was the high Acorn baby right thirty. Well,

461
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: it was really twenty seven years of my life. Literally

462
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: state it's the same state, kind of South Carolina, North Carolina,

463
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: drafted by the home team. So why would I want

464
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: to leave? You know what I'm saying, There's no point like,

465
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: of course, I'm at the top of my game, so

466
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: you gotta pay me is what that should be. And

467
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: I get it. Being here in Carolina. It's kind of

468
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: like you got a reputation where we really don't, you know,

469
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: we want to eat on defense. The line is gonna eat.

470
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: They're gonna get paid, Q gonna get paid office lineman.

471
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: But it's just like when it comes to our secondary

472
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: is always that filler positions where he's that one year

473
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: guys to where they come in and they just keep

474
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: it going and it's no real longevity there because they

475
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: have guys on one year two year deals and there's

476
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: nobody that extended that gap. And so I come along

477
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: and I'm here, I'm homegrown, a man in your backyard

478
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: and get you you give me this, and I was

479
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: just supposed to accept it. But yet I'm at the

480
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: top of the league at my position and even so

481
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: much running up for the Defense Player of the Year,

482
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: where like, come on, guy, like we got to make

483
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: it make sense. And for me, it's just an add up.

484
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: So we stop negotiations. And clearly it was just like

485
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: all right, well I just played this out, and so

486
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: my agent I told him, like, whatever you do, I

487
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: don't want to leave here, right. It's negotiating, you know,

488
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: it's negotiating with kettle Potwell government at the time, and

489
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: so I didn't want to go nowhere. I want to

490
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: stay in Carolina. So for are you guys listening? It

491
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: was not me, okay, I wanted to stay here with

492
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: you guys, and I wanted to be Carolina threw and

493
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: through blue and blue my whole entire career. So just

494
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: like lu Can a couple other guys, but it was

495
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: to a point that he felt that there was no

496
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: negotiation and where we were, and I was so like

497
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: bothered and upset about it that I cried when I

498
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: got that rescinded because I was actually going up to

499
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: sign the tag. People don't realize I was on Like

500
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: the tag was out there for I think a week

501
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: or something like that, and so I didn't sign it.

502
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: But and the reason why I didn't sign it because

503
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: we was actually trying to negotiate in good faith before

504
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: I did that. I didn't want to be locked in

505
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: and screwed. Even though the number is probably I think

506
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: twelve that year, still like what I was going to

507
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: do was over that, and I didn't want to get

508
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: screwed out by all right, we're gonna agree to something,

509
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: but then it becomes something else. So security is us

510
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: being on the field playing everreaked down. But if you

511
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: get hurt, then that completely takes you to a different level, right,

512
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: So we wanted to make sure that was good. And

513
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: so we was literally by be on the way. I

514
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: was coming from a funeral and I was going to

515
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: come up and I got to my phone just start

516
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: blowing up with text messages left and right, left and right,

517
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: left and right, and then I saw it. I didn't

518
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: even get to the jersey. I saw Jersey Washings had

519
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: twenty four on it from a dumber I didn't know.

520
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what is all this? And I started

521
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: to read, and right right when I got it, I

522
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: saw a ticker from ESPN. They were sending attack and

523
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a freaking minute, I'm looking at

524
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: this on my agent, So I answered him, See what

525
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: just happened? Well, yeah, man, they were seeing tax. Now

526
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: you're a free agent, and mind you, everything has already

527
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: went down. RA is pretty much over with, like not

528
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: even it was like way done. What the heck? I mean,

529
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm sitting up here thinking myself. I sat in my

530
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: living room for literature. I kid you not. It was

531
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: at least twelve hours after I got off the road

532
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: because I called Big Cat. I call Vera.

533
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: For those that don't know who Big Cat is, that's

534
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: the former owner, Jerry Richardson. Jerry Richardson, Fine, you call.

535
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 3: That's kind of how it was, because y'all know how

536
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: he was. Every time he came it was George, my boy,

537
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: you know what it was. But then it was just

538
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: came over had him. He was like, well, Josh, you know,

539
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: he said, your agent kind of said that's what it was,

540
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: so kind of let.

541
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: Him do what he do. Dang, are you shooting? I'm

542
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: just sitting at your house breaking bread like I'm a shm.

543
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: Was broken the door for us, Like what do you mean?

544
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: I said, on your whole caush. Everything was just in order, intact, amazing.

545
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: The services give me sweet tea was like sweet tea

546
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: just a week ago. God Dan, I thought the way

547
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: he was doing I was gonna be in the wheel

548
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: or something like geez. But it's cool. So it was

549
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: just like, dang, all right, I guess this is the

550
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: new one on a little bit though, right Yo. It

551
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: was like you understand, it was like something that got

552
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: pulled from and it was just like a part of

553
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: me just like left. My body is completely because this

554
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: is all I've ever wanted to do.

555
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: I want to be I remember I got to talk

556
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: to you right after that happened.

557
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: Me and you talked on the phone and I said, Josh,

558
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: I know you're sad because you told me you were hurt.

559
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: And I didn't know all the details, but you told

560
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: me you were hurt. I said, Josh, this might be

561
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: the best thing ever for you. I said, dude, you're

562
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: twenty eight, twenty nine. When you hit thirty, they're gonna

563
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: think you're old. So you actually get to become a

564
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: free agency, a free agent before you're considered quote unquote old. Like, bro,

565
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: you get a chance to break the bank right now.

566
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: You couldn't be hotter right now. I was like, dude,

567
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: this is a lifetime opportunity for you. You're going to

568
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: sign a deal and it's going to change everything for you.

569
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: Instead of doing this little tag, this is gonna be

570
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: life changing for you. I remember I told you that

571
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: you did all right, I'm gonna try.

572
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: You were so sad, and I'm like, dude, this is

573
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: literally the best thing that ever happened to you.

574
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: You did say that, but I was super sharp because

575
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: you got to think about what we left behind. It's

576
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: like we did not finish when we started. My last

577
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: memory was literally like crying on field, washing the COFFITTI

578
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: and all the crap go by, knowing that like they

579
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: may not have this chance again, who knows. But it

580
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: was just a moment that I wanted to have with

581
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: you guys, would choose like a family, Like this is

582
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: where I felt like brotherhood truly was.

583
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: It was a good team.

584
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean it was like I show up today still

585
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: for things that happened with this team. It was that impactful,

586
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you gotta think the

587
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: city was never on fire as it was that. You're

588
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: like it was.

589
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: I don't think has ever been considered all.

590
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it's just like, I mean, look,

591
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: coming to work knowing that your team's continually whooping these teams,

592
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: and when we showed up to work, our hardest time

593
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: was doing practice, so we knew it was gonna whoop

594
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: that teams as when we went there, right, So I

595
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: wanted that feeling again that I wanted to be be

596
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: banging with you guys, doing showing up with you guys

597
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: and like we had unfinished business and how I was

598
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna fade. But nay, like Dean Glue and Hono those cats. Man,

599
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: it was just it was heartbreaking. That's what I was

600
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: really like, you're shaying, Derek, I feel like sharing it

601
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: you're having, but I'm feeling I'm feeling that inside. But

602
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: it was just like, dang, man, that was so impactful.

603
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: You guys meant a lot, and so for me to

604
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: be in that space, it was just I had to

605
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: get over that and then like real life hit. So

606
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: I went back to that jersey and I saw it

607
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: and I was just like, dang, Okay, well shit, let's

608
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: let's see what let's entertainment. So I had like four

609
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: of my teams entertaining me during that time, which is like,

610
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: we're going to create cap space just for you. And

611
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: still that number was seventy, and I was just.

612
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: Like, this is different.

613
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: It had to happen like that. So it was. It

614
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: was wild. It was just a wild time. And I'm

615
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: pretty sure we'll get into that other time.

616
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: I just know it was very unique.

617
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody else that had a franchise tag

618
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: rescinded it worked the way it worked out the way

619
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: it was supposed to work.

620
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you want to ask the last one.

621
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: Unless unless you want to tell the people what started

622
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: you on this whole riding a horse celebration that you

623
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: oh yeah, that that you made famous.

624
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: Let that one kick it.

625
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: So I have a horse, everybody know, it's Delta, still

626
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: a Delta, absolutely still around. Yeah, he had went over

627
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: yet still around. And I actually brought him up from

628
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: Greenwood and I had him patched out there in a

629
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: stable where they was keeping them and had nice horse

630
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: him as Day was looking after him and one girl.

631
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: She was definitely taking care of him and had always

632
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: gave him treats and always gave them time. So when

633
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: every time he saw me come out, because at least

634
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: we go busy him once a week, and I would like,

635
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: you see me come nutsh me on the head and everything,

636
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: and he was ready to ride, and let me know

637
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: he ready to ride. So I jumped on him and

638
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: we go through and I literally open them up and

639
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: he's like, he's a saddle bread American saddle bread. So

640
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: anybody know those horses about sixteen fifteen sixty hands, so

641
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good horse, nice distrusition. So I was

642
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: like the generals, So those are the horses that the

643
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: generals ride, when they come into battle stuff like that.

644
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: So he was one of my horses. And I tell

645
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: you what, he was the epitome of being at home

646
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: while kind of steal across the border in the sense

647
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: he made it feel like I still had, you know,

648
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: Greenwood left in me, the memorization of everything we went through.

649
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: So all right, if I'm doing something, if I'm doing it,

650
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm wanting to express myself. Because he on

651
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: his back riding, I was free, going as fast as

652
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to go, turns and everything. So when anytime

653
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: I made a big play or if I touched the

654
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: end zone, it was kind of like a celebratory moment

655
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: that I dedicated back to Delta. So I get on

656
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: that ride, stop poll, wrap the reins around the saddle horn,

657
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: and then i get off in a dramatic fashion and

658
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm arrived in the stadium. I like it.

659
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: It was a good one. It was a good one.

660
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: You've had a very different journey of than most people

661
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: making it to the league. Who was on your personal

662
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore has about four people?

663
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: Four people? Four people? Is it like a the Mount

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Speaker 1: rush More?

665
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: Is it doing the you can make it? It's totally

666
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: un it doesn't have to be just football.

667
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: Just it's familiar. It's like my three things was like,

668
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: uh yeah, we and God, we just got you know,

669
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: familiar and it is what I do, which is the

670
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: game of ball. So those are the three main focus

671
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: factors for me. That always my core principles in my

672
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: creed was God, lie, familiar, and whatever I did, and

673
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: it was football far none. So if I had to

674
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: put it mount rushmore, it would be obviously my faith.

675
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: My family too. This is a cool one. Bob Sanders,

676
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: Bob and Bob Sanders n Bob. I didn't really have

677
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: like real role models like that, Like I guess I

678
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be or emulate anything like that, But it

679
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: was Bob Sanders and Peyton manning.

680
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: The Bob Senders was flying around smack.

681
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: And smacking ain't the word. He literally I was a

682
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: safety in high school, so I didn't even play corner

683
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: like I trans like laid it into corner when I

684
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: got to college because like I went to college play

685
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: safety because my mindset was Bob Senders, like literally all

686
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: day every day, like I would come down, hit, sticking everything,

687
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: picking off wherever. He was a defensive player of the Year.

688
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: It was like, that was the dude, and my impressionable

689
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: was set, mindset every time. The tenacity that he brought

690
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: to the game like it was none and void. And

691
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: when I came coas to and they changed my position

692
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: to corner, I was I was so pissed because I

693
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: wanted to be impactful, like be bop, like I wanted

694
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: to come down. I wanted to make those game change

695
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: and plays. I wanted to stand somebody up and stand

696
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: over them and like you know, show the guns like

697
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: all of that. But then I had to go to

698
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: this island and be content with myself because I knew

699
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: this guy was not going to beat me off the line.

700
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: So I had to just sit there and you know,

701
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: be bored because that was like being a safety. You

702
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: are in the mix, you're to get affect in the

703
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: game more. But then, guess what, it was the best

704
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: thing if I could happen to because what I didn't

705
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: know is God was setting me up for something greater

706
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: because what those guys got to be compared to the

707
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: other ones night and day life change and so it

708
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: kind of worked out. But like that happened, he was

709
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: one and then obviously Peyton Manning just the field, like

710
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: everything about that guy and how he was able to

711
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: just masquerade the entire vision of the game as a general,

712
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: and how he moved people like you can probably tell

713
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: that the Coats was my team clearly, Like everything they

714
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: did is just enhanced, enhanced in hands. Every time I

715
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: played the game, it was you already know what it was.

716
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: And I just love like being in that my space.

717
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: And so that was that was the mount rushmore from me.

718
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: But then you know, if I had to add a fifth,

719
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: all the old corners, like bad boys like the Raiders,

720
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: those crew, like the male ones like him, they affected

721
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: us running lots like the old heads that played game

722
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: like even I don't think realized.

723
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: Put big numbers.

724
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Numbers you only get four.

725
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: We're not giving you.

726
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: So I gave four. I gave you four.

727
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: I just.

728
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I gave for But there is anything else that's my cutoff.

729
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: I gave you that. Thank you man, yeah man, blessing

730
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: us with some yeah man, like some great memories. We

731
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: appreciate you. No, I appreciate thank you for blessing us.

732
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: And I appreciate the comment you said I received that.

733
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: I'm sure you do too. Man's been getting really better

734
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: at receiving.

735
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, since we've been doing this podcast, I think he's

736
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: growing a lot in that area.

737
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: It's opening up. Like a lot of people got these pods, right,

738
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: they got mics, they never got anything to say, so

739
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: it's like, what's the point, God, stay away from this stuff.

740
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: But with you, guys, I'm very much so open because

741
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: I feel like you like my brothers. You are my brothers,

742
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: really you really are, and coming back. It's just that

743
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: whole kid again mentality mind never.

744
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: Never I square.

745
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: Man, this is it's like it's refreshingly its own uniqueness

746
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: and that we bring together. We gotta do more of it,

747
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

748
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I gotta start. The last time I saw

749
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: you was a random gas station and that theory. In

750
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: the morning, it was nobody was doing anything great people, nobody, No, it.

751
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: Was just so random walking by.

752
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: Then you go stay in the morning, I thought you

753
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: was Gonnay.

754
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: I just saw you rand.

755
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: I think I was going to get a dotta pepper

756
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: and he was like paying for gas.

757
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: It was crazy, straight up, that was what it was.

758
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 4: Man.

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00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,440
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