Speaker 1: Buster was going to get a long leash as the
Speaker 1: guy in charge. He's beloved, he's an franchise icon. But
Speaker 1: this was full.
Speaker 2: We're expecting Susan Slesser soon. Let's talk about the Giants.
Speaker 2: How good are the Giants with rapfield evers?
Speaker 3: They're better?
Speaker 2: How much better?
Speaker 3: Significant? Significantly better?
Speaker 2: For me? Do you want to rank that l West now?
Speaker 3: Well, it's still Dodgers, okay. I think with the Giants,
Speaker 3: they jumped in number two with their pitching. Logan Webb.
Speaker 3: If you ain't seen Logan web pitch this yere, he's
Speaker 3: a stud. He's an absolute stud. And the rest of
Speaker 3: their pitching has been really good too. That's why they
Speaker 3: can afford to move the guys they move with Hickson
Speaker 3: and Harrison because they have other guys that are pitching
Speaker 3: really well. Robbie Ray's been really good. And so for me,
Speaker 3: what do they need? What's the thing we took? The
Speaker 3: stat we talk about every year with the Giants. They
Speaker 3: haven't had a thirty thirty home run guy since Barry Bonds.
Speaker 3: That was in two thousand and four. I believe leir
Speaker 3: I was there. That's crazy, okay, So who can hear
Speaker 3: if anybody can hit. If anybody can hit, well, they've
Speaker 3: had stars, buster posey. I mean, listen, they've had stars.
Speaker 3: They just have anybody. Oh yeah, they don't have a star. True,
Speaker 3: but this takes pressure off a damis. This makes their
Speaker 3: lineup significantly better now. And you know what it brings.
Speaker 3: It brings an energy to the team that they're like, man,
Speaker 3: our front office is going for boys, We're going for cras.
Speaker 3: You can't put a price on that.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, this is a for me. This is
Speaker 2: a top ten hitter in baseball. And sure, you're going
Speaker 2: to go to San Francisco and sometimes it's gonna go
Speaker 2: opposite field and instead of going off the monster, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a long flyball out that's expected. That's
Speaker 2: part of what makes recruiting certain superstar bats difficult if
Speaker 2: you're San Francisco, because some hitters are gonna look there
Speaker 2: and they're going to look at other spots and be like,
Speaker 2: do I want my numbers to go down? Because in
Speaker 2: almost every case, your power numbers are going to go
Speaker 2: down there compared to most other ballparks opposite end of
Speaker 2: the spectrum here, Yes, this team is playing well. Most
Speaker 2: of their players are in that prime window. He mentioned Webb,
Speaker 2: He's twenty eight a Domins and Ryan Walker twenty nine,
Speaker 2: Robbi Rays having a great year. He's thirty three. Matt
Speaker 2: Chapmans on the il, but he'll be back. He's thirty two.
Speaker 3: Got your Bailey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the time is now. If you're Buster Posey, you
Speaker 2: know you're not pushing it down the line.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: I heard someone talking about this and this is a
Speaker 3: big point for me. Buster Posey came up under Brian Savian.
Speaker 3: Did Brian Savian? Say what you want about Brian Savian,
Speaker 3: but he was the architect of with them winning the
Speaker 3: three World series. Okay, what did Brian Savian have a
Speaker 3: knack to do? When he thought it was time to strike,
Speaker 3: He made a move to get him over the top.
Speaker 3: Marco Scutero, right Hunter Pence, all these guys to get
Speaker 3: him over the top, and it worked for three World series.
Speaker 3: Buster Posey came up under that he's a former player.
Speaker 3: Guess what he thinks. We can win every year, guys,
Speaker 3: and we just get the right pieces. But he smelt
Speaker 3: a great opportunity and not have to give up a lot,
Speaker 3: and the owners gave him the go ahead to do.
Speaker 3: And guess what he did? Yeah, we'll take Raffi Devers.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? One thirty something ops plus in
Speaker 3: the middle of our line up. Huh please? Here? Oh
Speaker 3: you want Jordan Nickson, you want Harrison, and you want Tims,
Speaker 3: the first rounders he ways away and some guy that
Speaker 3: no one's ever heard of, Bello Byo. Yeah, here you go,
Speaker 3: Red Sox. We'll take Raffi Devers problem off your hands.
Speaker 2: No, you don't know how to communicate with him. Most
Speaker 2: people in the league know Devers. He's been in the
Speaker 2: league for a while. He is not a problem child.
Speaker 2: He's not This is not Manny Ramirez in Boston. And
Speaker 2: also they kept Manny and how did that go pretty
Speaker 2: well for them while he was there. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 2: not like they're acquiring someone that's going to be a problem.
Speaker 2: As long as they know how to do this, talk, communicate, they.
Speaker 4: Know how to do this under Buster Posey, Matt Chapman,
Speaker 4: Willia Domas now Raffi Devers over six hundred million dollars
Speaker 4: they spent in those three dues because they couldn't they
Speaker 4: couldn't produce enough position players to get the job done.
Speaker 4: Maybe four han Ziety never got that money, or maybe
Speaker 4: far Han was like, I don't see any surplus value.
Speaker 4: Buster Posey sees an opportunity to win. He's striking while
Speaker 4: the iron's hot.
Speaker 2: Raphaeldevers has fifteen homers this year. All lefty bats on
Speaker 2: the Giants combined have fourteen homers.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, much more on this right in two minutes with
Speaker 2: Susan Slusser, who's going to join us to talk more
Speaker 2: about the impact for the Giants. Susan Slusser joins us
Speaker 2: right now, and we got to give some love to
Speaker 2: the Giant side of the story here. Senior baseball writer
Speaker 2: for the San Francisco Chronicle, Susan, how crazy was this
Speaker 2: news when you first either saw it or heard about it?
Speaker 1: But I mean it was June fifteenth. You know that
Speaker 1: it's just almost unheard of now to make deals, big
Speaker 1: deal like that this early. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: You know when I covered the A's for a million years,
Speaker 1: Billy Bean did this a few times, not quite this early,
Speaker 1: but he did swing some earlier big trades. You tend
Speaker 1: to get sometimes a better price. And I've always felt like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you want a guy and you've got the deal
Speaker 1: in place, you're going to get more you have them
Speaker 1: for longer. The Giants really really be a big left
Speaker 1: handed bat, as you guys were just saying, and I
Speaker 1: hear you, AJ, let's not even go go to Susan,
Speaker 1: I see how you are. But yeah, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: Buster identified the need and he went out and got it. Bam.
Speaker 4: Well, Susan, listen, when you're not on time, you know,
Speaker 4: then we have to make adjustments.
Speaker 3: So I just have to ask er Scott was talking,
Speaker 3: Susan was talking too many s's. I couldn't hear either
Speaker 3: one ignoring. Okay, but is this the biggest trade for
Speaker 3: the Giants since they traded Booth bondser Francisco Loiano and
Speaker 3: Joe Nathan for another greatft hand of hitting star for
Speaker 3: the Giants?
Speaker 2: Hm?
Speaker 1: Who would that be? I mean that one's right up there. Uh.
Speaker 3: I mean this is the biggest biggest Giants that made
Speaker 3: in a law. I mean that was for me.
Speaker 1: It might be the biggest one ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is one of the most the biggest,
Speaker 3: brightest trades the Giants have made as long as I
Speaker 3: can remember, they've signed guys that they haven't made a
Speaker 3: trade with this kind of potential impact in forever that
Speaker 3: I can remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one's huge, This one's huge, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: the previous front office did a lot of the heavy
Speaker 1: lifting and getting this year's team where it is. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think. But my one criticism of the previous administration
Speaker 1: is that they did not make big trade deadline moves
Speaker 1: the last three years. They needed something more, they didn't
Speaker 1: do it, and we saw what happened down the stretch.
Speaker 1: They faded, missed the playoffs three years in a row.
Speaker 1: The one year he did something was Chris Bryant, which
Speaker 1: you know at the time looked like that was a
Speaker 1: nice trade, but didn't wind up really making much difference
Speaker 1: one way or another. So this I mean, certainly post
Speaker 1: that World Series run of by far the biggest deal
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Speaker 2: All right? So what do you think about the Giants
Speaker 2: lineup now? I mean, this team has been playing pretty well.
Speaker 2: They have won a lot of close games, which means
Speaker 2: a little more offense would certainly help. This is what
Speaker 2: everyone I think would agree is at least the top
Speaker 2: fifteen thatt I've been calling at least the top ten
Speaker 2: bat in my mind. So how much do you think
Speaker 2: this changes the complexion of the season for San Francisco
Speaker 2: in terms of what they needed?
Speaker 1: Well, they have the pitching, the defense is usually solid.
Speaker 1: Chapman's out right now, but you know when he's back,
Speaker 1: they they're solid to very solid. We have known since
Speaker 1: before the season started that they were light on offense
Speaker 1: and they were not going to have the best lineup
Speaker 1: in the division by any means. This had become a
Speaker 1: major issue. Not enough left handed hitters, not a left
Speaker 1: handed power. I mean, it was really starting to show.
Speaker 1: And as good as the pitching is, the starting pitching
Speaker 1: has been very good. The bullpen's been outstanding, there's going
Speaker 1: to come a point where the pitching goes into a
Speaker 1: little bit of a funk and you need the hitting
Speaker 1: at that point to step up. That offense, you know,
Speaker 1: was doing what it could certainly. You know they've they're
Speaker 1: right there, you know, a half step behind the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: They've had a very nice start to the season. But
Speaker 1: at some point that offense was going to have to
Speaker 1: do more. You know, the trade letting Lamont Wade go,
Speaker 1: that was step one. We all love Lamont, but he
Speaker 1: was just struggling getting Willie Domas going. Finally he got
Speaker 1: a day off going into Colorado, so it wound up
Speaker 1: being kind of two days off and then Colorado. He
Speaker 1: looks like he's kind of back where he was if
Speaker 1: he's going when Chapman gets back, and then adding Devors,
Speaker 1: they've got a much much stronger middle of the order.
Speaker 1: And remember they've got Junghu Lee who's now back in
Speaker 1: the leadoff spot. They've got Elliott Ramos who potentially could
Speaker 1: be an All Star for a second year in a row.
Speaker 1: You know, they've still got some weak spots there, but
Speaker 1: it links Linthen's lineup, and you know, as Don Smith
Speaker 1: said yesterday, that Cove is suddenly going to be seen
Speaker 1: some more action from the Giants side.
Speaker 4: Finally, who benefits the most in that lineup from the
Speaker 4: addition of Devers? Is it somebody that's getting protection? Is
Speaker 4: Elliot Ramos who now doesn't have to do as much?
Speaker 4: Or does Elliot Ramos then kind of say, WHOA wait
Speaker 4: a minute, I was the star? Is there is there
Speaker 4: some is there somebody that really is going to positively
Speaker 4: affect the most?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I think everybody is thrilled about this move. You know,
Speaker 1: a Logan Web yesterday he's he's very close to Kyle Harrison,
Speaker 1: one of his best friends, and he said he was
Speaker 1: ecstatic about about having Devers so tells you how the
Speaker 1: pitching staff feels. And in fact, I think the pictures
Speaker 1: are the one that will ones that will benefit the
Speaker 1: most in the lineup. You know, it's they will probably,
Speaker 1: you know, move things around from time to time. That's
Speaker 1: the way Bob Melvin's kind of done things. They will
Speaker 1: sort of platoon some guys, so on a given day,
Speaker 1: it could be somebody different, but certainly whoever is hitting
Speaker 1: right in front of him is probably going to get
Speaker 1: the benefit of it. And you're right, it will take
Speaker 1: a little bit of the pressure off some of the
Speaker 1: bigger bats for lack of a better word, in the
Speaker 1: lineup now, guys like Ramos, guys like Chapman, Wilmer Flores.
Speaker 1: But we don't know where Devers is going to get
Speaker 1: the bulk of his playing time still. You know, he
Speaker 1: could play third until Chapman's back. But when Chapman's back,
Speaker 1: obviously he's going to be there. So do you take
Speaker 1: do you just put him at first? He hasn't wanted
Speaker 1: to play first. They're going to sit down and have
Speaker 1: a chat with them and said, then they'll decide the
Speaker 1: DH spot is Wilmer Flores. Wilmer Flores can play first base,
Speaker 1: but they really like at DH to sort of minimized
Speaker 1: sort of the wear and tear on his legs. Last
Speaker 1: year he just was not himself because of leg injuries.
Speaker 1: So I think that's going to be really interesting to see.
Speaker 1: But he'll be in there. Wherever he is, he will
Speaker 1: be in the lineup.
Speaker 2: Susan, tell me about the other side of this trade,
Speaker 2: if it hurts the Giants at all from a run
Speaker 2: prevention standpoint this season, and also what Red Sox fans
Speaker 2: should be expecting from Jordan Hicks and from Matt Harrison,
Speaker 2: who was immediately optioned by the Red Sox, but I
Speaker 2: would imagine will be a factor for them at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Harrison, I mean, he's just he's he's a talent.
Speaker 1: You know, he was a Giant's top pitching prospect for
Speaker 1: the last several years until you know, he came up
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, he's had his struggles. You know, he
Speaker 1: was a rookie getting adjusted to the league. He's very young,
Speaker 1: he's twenty two. He's local, so I think this came
Speaker 1: even you know, it's a little bit even more of
Speaker 1: a shock when you're a local guy. He's from Danville
Speaker 1: in the East Bay. Loved pitching for the Giants, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're on the mound warming up for a game
Speaker 1: and suddenly you're traded. Like nobody would envision that, especially
Speaker 1: again on June and fifteenth. But he's going to be fine,
Speaker 1: and I think it will. This will probably make him
Speaker 1: even tougher and better. Logan web Said said the first
Speaker 1: thing he told him is you're going to be a
Speaker 1: star in Boston, and I think he has the capability
Speaker 1: to do that. He's left handed, he throws strikes, He's
Speaker 1: got a lot of movement on all of his stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, he just needs to learn how to pitch
Speaker 1: at the big league level a little bit more and
Speaker 1: get more experience. I think he'll be up probably very quickly.
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks wanted to be a starter. He was so
Speaker 1: great for the first sort of month and a half
Speaker 1: last year in a starting role and then ran out
Speaker 1: of steam. He said it was he sort of wore down.
Speaker 1: So this year they tried it again. He really wanted
Speaker 1: to go back to starting, and it just never it
Speaker 1: just never clicked for him. And you know, currently he's
Speaker 1: on the iel with a toe injury from dragging his
Speaker 1: toe and his delivery that that's all resolvable, that's not
Speaker 1: something that's an issue. I think he felt like you'd
Speaker 1: got that figured out. He's pretty close to coming back.
Speaker 1: He's obviously got a ton of experience in the bullpen.
Speaker 1: He can help them there and if they want to
Speaker 1: try him as a starter, Andrew Bailey's there, you know,
Speaker 1: I know him from Oakland, I know him from San
Speaker 1: Francisco where he's the pitching coach. He will figure out
Speaker 1: a way to make things work if that's what they want.
Speaker 1: So that that's pretty interesting. And you know, don't sleep
Speaker 1: on James Tibbs, who is the Giant's first first round
Speaker 1: pick last year. That one hurt. That one also hurts.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to lose number thirteen. Overall.
Speaker 1: He was doing well at Hi a Eugene, So I
Speaker 1: think that one, you know, that might come back to
Speaker 1: bite them more than anything.
Speaker 3: Susan, your your athletics love knows no bounds, no end.
Speaker 1: So you know I'm going to drop them in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just can't. You just can't help yourself, can you.
Speaker 3: It's amazing, It's amazing. All right? What are the Giants
Speaker 3: fans feeling on this? They have to be ecstatic, right,
Speaker 3: And are they just all praising Buster Posey for doing
Speaker 3: this deal? And yes, I know you're talking like this
Speaker 3: gonna hurt, and this is gonna hurt, but they got
Speaker 3: Raffie Devers and everyone is just saying they didn't give
Speaker 3: up much. So are they just praising Buster Posey and
Speaker 3: in the front office for making this deal with the
Speaker 3: Red Sox at a time when nobody saw this coming?
Speaker 1: I mean you'd have to. I mean, look, Buster was
Speaker 1: going to get a long leash as the guy in charge.
Speaker 1: You know, he's beloved, he's an franchise icon, but this
Speaker 1: was bold. I mean he really he should get all,
Speaker 1: you know, all the praise in the world for this one.
Speaker 1: And you know, he's the thing he's done so far
Speaker 1: that has been great is he's quick to identify needs
Speaker 1: and then do something without looking like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: any panic, like he doesn't believe in the team as
Speaker 1: a whole. He's really kind of walked that line. Well.
Speaker 1: But man, for a first major deal, this is this
Speaker 1: is huge. This is a big swing, which I guess
Speaker 1: is exactly what we would expect from somebody of Buster's background.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the fan base is thrilled. You'd
Speaker 1: have to be, and Buster said yesterday, this is the
Speaker 1: kind of guy you just can't get in their prime.
Speaker 1: So they jumped on it when they thought they thought
Speaker 1: they had the opportunity. He's twenty eight. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a guy who has many good years left assuming
Speaker 1: full health, and on a deal that's not prohibitive. I mean,
Speaker 1: and also, you know what, Giants' ownership stepped up here too.
Speaker 1: Buster got it done convinced ownership, and ownership was willing
Speaker 1: to take on what's probably going to be about two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty a lot of it deferred.
Speaker 4: Are you surprised if you were told that this trade
Speaker 4: was going to happen, that Eldris would not have been
Speaker 4: part of it. Are you surprised that they didn't really
Speaker 4: have to give up that much.
Speaker 1: I think we knew if they made a big deal
Speaker 1: this year that it was probably going to be from
Speaker 1: their young pitching. They've got a lot of good young arms.
Speaker 1: They've got more in sac Gremento. They've especially Carson Wizenhunt,
Speaker 1: who's who's probably going to be the next guy up
Speaker 1: when they have a need that that is a position
Speaker 1: of absolute strengthen them. Buster has mentioned that he'd he'd
Speaker 1: be comfortable trading some of their good young starters. Andy,
Speaker 1: did you know they know what they have in Kyle
Speaker 1: Harrison and he's a good pitcher. I think he could be,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a two to three kind of big
Speaker 1: league pitcher. He's a left team maybe even better because
Speaker 1: this stuff is good. He's not quite at that caliber yet. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he was not a regular starter for the Giants. He
Speaker 1: was pitching in verlander spot while Verlander was out and
Speaker 1: had been in the bullpen before then. But yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: Eldridge was probably not going to be on the table
Speaker 1: this year and potentially will never be on the table
Speaker 1: if he does what the Giants are expecting him to do.
Speaker 3: All right, Susan, Before we let you go, I have
Speaker 3: to ask this, since we know your love for the athletics,
Speaker 3: how's it going in Sacramento? Do you think they would
Speaker 3: be this bad? I didn't think they'd be this bad?
Speaker 3: And is there any heat on Mark Cott say, because
Speaker 3: you know, you start reading some stuff and people are like, oh,
Speaker 3: Kotsee could be in the hot seat. But I disagree
Speaker 3: with that because he's only given what he's given and
Speaker 3: he's had to deal with moving a team and this
Speaker 3: and that, and everyone's complaining about the stadium. Did you
Speaker 3: think it would be this bad?
Speaker 1: I thought they were going to be good, you know,
Speaker 1: all spring. I was out there. Yeah, I was out
Speaker 1: there a few times the spring, and you know, they've
Speaker 1: got the you know, they're almost the inverse of the Giants.
Speaker 1: They had a really good offense. You know, they've got
Speaker 1: a lot of good bats. When the Giants were kind
Speaker 1: of you know, it became obvious that the Giants were
Speaker 1: looking for a bat. I kept going like, maybe try
Speaker 1: to pry somebody away from the A's. They need pitching.
Speaker 1: But the pitching's been worse than I thought it would be.
Speaker 1: There's just no way to blame kots say. There's just
Speaker 1: there's so many factors going on with the A's, I mean,
Speaker 1: playing where they are and dealing with all of that
Speaker 1: that stuff. I do think they will be better, maybe
Speaker 1: not the rest of it, but then the second half.
Speaker 1: They have had a tendency under Kotze to really take
Speaker 1: off in the second half. I don't think that they're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, contender anything, but I think they could make
Speaker 1: things difficult on a day to day basis for a
Speaker 1: lot of teams because they do have a really good lineup.
Speaker 1: And aj, I have to tell you, I will be
Speaker 1: at the groundbreaking in Las Vegas a week from today, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, next Monday, week after. I was just there, and
Speaker 3: if their groundbreaking, they've done some serious work, because when
Speaker 3: I was there last week or two weeks ago, whatever
Speaker 3: it was, they still had cranes on there and said
Speaker 3: demolition and progress stay away. So I don't know what
Speaker 3: they did. But I don't know until I see something
Speaker 3: going into the ground besides a golden shovel Susan, I
Speaker 3: don't know if that I'm believing it, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I've always said. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to believe it until the shovels in the ground.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure at this point I will believe it.
Speaker 1: Maybe Hey, maybe this is just me like being in denial.
Speaker 1: But it's going to be a very expensive venture. To date,
Speaker 1: we have not heard of any new investors joining that
Speaker 1: that project. They were looking for some The costs are
Speaker 1: expected to go potentially over two billion. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a dome stadium. I you know, Hey, if Vegas wants
Speaker 1: something to get done, they usually get it.
Speaker 3: Done.
Speaker 1: I think Vegas is capable of it, but they might
Speaker 1: have to step in and pony up a lot if
Speaker 1: that's the case.
Speaker 2: Okay, well we'll have to chat after your field trip over.
Speaker 3: There, which which which giant casino are you staying at?
Speaker 3: And are you a gambler, Susan. I can't imagine you gamble?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I don't like the losing. I like
Speaker 1: the losing so much less than I enjoy the winning.
Speaker 1: So no, I and I think I might just be
Speaker 1: like in and out just in the day.
Speaker 3: Southwest. That's southwest. One is quick exactly slot.
Speaker 1: How's that?
Speaker 4: I can see you.
Speaker 3: I can see you sitting there like in one of
Speaker 3: those motorized scooter Susan. Just over again. Drink another drink
Speaker 3: over here?
Speaker 1: That part, that part you've got to.
Speaker 2: Well, Susan. We'll be looking at the coverage, obviously, we're
Speaker 2: all over the A stories. So thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: Everyone gives Susan a follow at Susan Slester on Twitter
Speaker 2: and check out our work in the San Francisco Chronicle
Speaker 2: and enjoy the Debors moment, especially next weekend they take on.
Speaker 3: The red sign.
Speaker 1: It's going to be so fun.
Speaker 2: Thanks Susan, good to see you.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys,