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Speaker 2: We're expecting Susan Slesser soon. Let's talk about the Giants.

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Speaker 2: How good are the Giants with rapfield evers?

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Speaker 3: They're better?

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Speaker 2: How much better?

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Speaker 2: For me? Do you want to rank that l West now?

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Speaker 3: they jumped in number two with their pitching. Logan Webb.

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Speaker 3: If you ain't seen Logan web pitch this yere, he's

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Speaker 3: what do they need? What's the thing we took? The

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Speaker 3: That was in two thousand and four. I believe leir

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Speaker 3: I was there. That's crazy, okay, So who can hear

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Speaker 3: if anybody can hit. If anybody can hit, well, they've

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Speaker 3: had stars, buster posey. I mean, listen, they've had stars.

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Speaker 3: They just have anybody. Oh yeah, they don't have a star. True,

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Speaker 3: but this takes pressure off a damis. This makes their

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Speaker 3: It brings an energy to the team that they're like, man,

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Speaker 3: our front office is going for boys, We're going for cras.

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Speaker 3: You can't put a price on that.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, this is a for me. This is

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Speaker 2: and they're going to look at other spots and be like,

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Speaker 2: do I want my numbers to go down? Because in

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Speaker 2: almost every case, your power numbers are going to go

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Speaker 2: Robbi Rays having a great year. He's thirty three. Matt

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Speaker 3: Got your Bailey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the time is now. If you're Buster Posey, you

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 3: I heard someone talking about this and this is a

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Speaker 3: knack to do? When he thought it was time to strike,

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Speaker 3: He made a move to get him over the top.

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Speaker 3: Buster Posey came up under that he's a former player.

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Speaker 3: Guess what he thinks. We can win every year, guys,

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Speaker 3: And guess what he did? Yeah, we'll take Raffi Devers.

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? One thirty something ops plus in

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Speaker 3: you want Jordan Nickson, you want Harrison, and you want Tims,

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Speaker 3: no one's ever heard of, Bello Byo. Yeah, here you go,

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Speaker 3: Red Sox. We'll take Raffi Devers problem off your hands.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't know how to communicate with him. Most

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Speaker 2: As long as they know how to do this, talk, communicate, they.

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Speaker 4: Know how to do this under Buster Posey, Matt Chapman,

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Speaker 4: Willia Domas now Raffi Devers over six hundred million dollars

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Speaker 4: they spent in those three dues because they couldn't they

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Speaker 4: Maybe four han Ziety never got that money, or maybe

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Speaker 2: Raphaeldevers has fifteen homers this year. All lefty bats on

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Speaker 2: for the San Francisco Chronicle, Susan, how crazy was this

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Speaker 1: But I mean it was June fifteenth. You know that

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Speaker 1: it's just almost unheard of now to make deals, big

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Speaker 1: You know when I covered the A's for a million years,

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Speaker 1: Billy Bean did this a few times, not quite this early,

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Speaker 1: for longer. The Giants really really be a big left

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Speaker 1: hear you, AJ, let's not even go go to Susan,

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Speaker 1: I see how you are. But yeah, that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: Buster identified the need and he went out and got it. Bam.

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Speaker 4: Well, Susan, listen, when you're not on time, you know,

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Speaker 3: So I just have to ask er Scott was talking,

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Speaker 3: Susan was talking too many s's. I couldn't hear either

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Speaker 3: one ignoring. Okay, but is this the biggest trade for

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Speaker 2: Hm?

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Speaker 1: Who would that be? I mean that one's right up there. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is the biggest biggest Giants that made

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Speaker 1: It might be the biggest one ever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is one of the most the biggest,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this one's huge, This one's huge, and that's you know,

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Speaker 1: They faded, missed the playoffs three years in a row.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: All right? So what do you think about the Giants

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Speaker 2: in terms of what they needed?

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Speaker 1: Well, they have the pitching, the defense is usually solid.

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Speaker 3: Susan, your your athletics love knows no bounds, no end.

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Speaker 1: So you know I'm going to drop them in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you just can't. You just can't help yourself, can you.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing, It's amazing. All right? What are the Giants

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Speaker 3: All right, Susan, Before we let you go, I have

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Speaker 1: Maybe Hey, maybe this is just me like being in denial.

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Speaker 1: I think Vegas is capable of it, but they might

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Speaker 2: Okay, well we'll have to chat after your field trip over.

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Speaker 3: There, which which which giant casino are you staying at?

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Speaker 3: And are you a gambler, Susan. I can't imagine you gamble?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I don't like the losing. I like

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Speaker 3: Southwest. That's southwest. One is quick exactly slot.

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Speaker 1: How's that?

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Speaker 4: I can see you.

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Speaker 3: I can see you sitting there like in one of

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Speaker 3: those motorized scooter Susan. Just over again. Drink another drink

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Speaker 1: That part, that part you've got to.

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Speaker 2: Well, Susan. We'll be looking at the coverage, obviously, we're

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Speaker 2: all over the A stories. So thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Everyone gives Susan a follow at Susan Slester on Twitter

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Speaker 2: and check out our work in the San Francisco Chronicle

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Speaker 2: and enjoy the Debors moment, especially next weekend they take on.

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Speaker 3: The red sign.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be so fun.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Susan, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys,