WEBVTT - What's a hackintosh?

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<v Speaker 1>this video podcast from how stuff works dot com. Hello there, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Palette,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm the tech editor here at how stuff works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. And apparently I speak halting Lee sitting across

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<v Speaker 1>from me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all you hepcats a sight. Yeah yeah, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure where they came from. We had a big philosophical

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<v Speaker 1>discussion just a minute ago. Of course, this episode may

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<v Speaker 1>publish before that one, so we won't go into any detail. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get started, I wanted to remind you remember

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking earlier about pumpkin destruction. Oh yes, yes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the Science Channels showing the road to Punkin, Chunkin and

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<v Speaker 1>Punkin chunkin on Thanksgiving night. Yeah, that's a November twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six here in the United States on Science Channel. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>starts at eight. Uh. Then there's another one at nine,

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<v Speaker 1>So those are the two shows. Um, you get to

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<v Speaker 1>see these guys who build these amazing machines designed to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot pumpkins a very far away before they explode. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's lovely. I've actually watched shows like this in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, and it's it's a lot of fun to

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<v Speaker 1>watch those those guys shoot a uh an object that

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<v Speaker 1>probably shouldn't be fired from a cannon and watch it

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<v Speaker 1>burst on the ground. It's it's what you might call gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are we gonna talk about today? While it

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<v Speaker 1>all boils down to a message I received in listen

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<v Speaker 1>or mail. Now, this listener mail came from Mark from Phoenix, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mark wrote an incredibly long and wonderful listener listener

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<v Speaker 1>mail to us. But it's so long and it covers

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<v Speaker 1>so much ground that I tried to cut it back

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit because it's just it's too unwieldy to

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<v Speaker 1>start off an episode. So here's here's what's left. Greetings,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris and Jonathan, I want to tell you how much

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy listening to your podcast, as well as comment

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<v Speaker 1>on several specific items. Excerpt your episode on Apple clones

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<v Speaker 1>lacked a description of resources on the web, both for

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<v Speaker 1>sale and open source, that are available to convert a

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<v Speaker 1>PC into a hack intosh. Never tried this myself yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also have read several articles claiming success using

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<v Speaker 1>OS ten as a virtual machine when parallels Desktop and

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<v Speaker 1>V and fusion wear. But your mileage is sure to vary.

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<v Speaker 1>As with any type of non authorized, undefined use of

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<v Speaker 1>any hardware, software, or firmware. You put them in all caps.

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<v Speaker 1>I thin make it special. Another definition of firmware you

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<v Speaker 1>can consider is any code that begins execution on the

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<v Speaker 1>system prior to the main operating system becoming active. Take

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<v Speaker 1>it or leave it, but don't deny it. Also sounds

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. Once again, I love your podcasts and feel

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<v Speaker 1>at times that you two have produced some of them

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<v Speaker 1>just for me. To me, that's a sign of true

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<v Speaker 1>technology evangelists. Please don't stop doing what you do until

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<v Speaker 1>you at least talk about jail breaking and why that

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<v Speaker 1>could drive you crazy or worse. Sincerely, Mark from Phoenix, Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>So this isn't the jail breaking episode. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>long distance dedication. Yes, this one goes out to Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Mark wherever you are, probably Phoenix, Arizona. This one specifically

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Um so we wanted to talk about Hackintosh

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<v Speaker 1>is now like Mark said ages back back in April,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, I think, um, we had an episode called

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<v Speaker 1>Apple Clones. We're kind of talking about these computers that

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<v Speaker 1>were being made by a company called sy Star. Still

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<v Speaker 1>are actually and still buy them. Um and the company

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<v Speaker 1>what size Star was doing that was so unique was

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<v Speaker 1>it was selling uh hardware, PC hardware that was running

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<v Speaker 1>the Mac os ten operating system. Now, this is unusual

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<v Speaker 1>because Apple likes their Mac os ten operating system to

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<v Speaker 1>run on Apple computers and only Apple computers. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything otherwise is a violation of the end user license

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<v Speaker 1>agreement or yeah, now you lash. Laws by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>are not law yet, so um so, yeah, you you

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<v Speaker 1>are violating a license agreement if you try to install

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<v Speaker 1>an operating system or really when whenever you're doing anything

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<v Speaker 1>that violates a license agreement, you are not technically breaking

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<v Speaker 1>the law in the United States. Um, yet we have

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<v Speaker 1>to say yet change, Yes, there have been so now

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, the whole reason behind it is that

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<v Speaker 1>Apple they like to build a product from the ground

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<v Speaker 1>up and control every aspect of that product possible, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean everything. Yeah, So they're very, very concerned about

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<v Speaker 1>the whole user experience. And of course they don't build

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<v Speaker 1>every piece of it, but they choose what processor goes

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and they choose what video card goes the exactly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you're talking about that, then you you realize

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<v Speaker 1>PCs are totally different PCs. Two PCs that are essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the same amount of like they have the same specs

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<v Speaker 1>in general, could have completely different parts to them, completely

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<v Speaker 1>different components from different manufacturers, and they could look totally different.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one PC may look and completely different from

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<v Speaker 1>another PC that has essentially the same specs. Apple, They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be uniform. They're beautiful, they're efficient machines. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they do what what they were designed to do very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh But again there unless if you don't like that style,

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<v Speaker 1>you're out of luck, because that's all there is. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and and I would like to get into a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of the definition on hacking because uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the word hacker sort of carries with it a negative connotation.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, people think of hackers as people who break

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<v Speaker 1>into mainframe computers and steal social security numbers or yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>global thermonuclear war, that kind of thing. Shall we play

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<v Speaker 1>a game? But you know, there are other people who

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<v Speaker 1>see hacking as something different. I mean, the basically the

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<v Speaker 1>whole uh O'Reilly community would see it as people who

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<v Speaker 1>like to take things apart and mess with it and

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<v Speaker 1>you can do things for Yeah, I see how it works,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe improve upon it, uh you know, maybe share that

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<v Speaker 1>information with other people and and and try something new.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, you might. You might think, hey, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got this device that does this one thing really well.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish it could also do this other thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you think, hey, wait, if I take it apart

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<v Speaker 1>and look and see how it works, I might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to make it do this other thing. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you build it back and you you you add in

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<v Speaker 1>new functionality that is hacking. It can be. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be a computer, doesn't have to be a program,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be software. It can be anything really

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<v Speaker 1>and um, a lot of the early hackers, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they were doing. They were taking software and saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the software is great, but I could really use a

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<v Speaker 1>little more functionality. I need a couple of features that

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<v Speaker 1>aren't found in this I'll just build in some lines

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<v Speaker 1>of code added into this, uh, this program, and it

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<v Speaker 1>will suddenly do the things I needed to do. May

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<v Speaker 1>not look pretty, it may not be uh, it may

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<v Speaker 1>not be elegant. So you might be a code monkey

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<v Speaker 1>and uh your code is not functional or elegant. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love Jonathan Colton. Um if you're listening to Jonathan Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>big fans, Um, I'll be seeing you in Atlanta in January.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, the the whole, the whole idea here is that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys are not They're not they don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>like ulterior motives. They're not trying to um bring down

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<v Speaker 1>the system or anything like that. They're curious to know

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<v Speaker 1>how something works. They may want to improve upon it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they may want to use it in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that the person who created it had not either thought

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<v Speaker 1>of or intended. Yeah, and a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 1>the hacker community who take uh shall we say, umbrage

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<v Speaker 1>at the use of the word hacker to describe you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these uh folks who are up to know God like

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<v Speaker 1>prefer that we use the word cracker for those who

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to break in, uh to you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>entire country of Moldova and trash their water system or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some bad news for you guys, though. The

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<v Speaker 1>AP style book says no way, everybody's a hacker. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry, we have to follow a P style book rules.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's our style kinds. So so for us now

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<v Speaker 1>from now on, a hacker as a hacker as a hacker.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the thing is there there everybody who's a

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<v Speaker 1>hacker is hacking, whether they're using it for good or

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<v Speaker 1>for evil. Oh you know, it's just like Wizard of Oz,

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a good witch? Are you a bad witch? Sandwich?

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go on to talking specifically about the Hackintosh,

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<v Speaker 1>now that we've talked all around the hacker thing. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to clarify that because, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you might associate this with doing something illegal and it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of depends on how you go about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's different shades of gray from the light grade

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<v Speaker 1>to the very very very dark. It's on the fringe, definitely, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let me ask you this question, why would someone

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<v Speaker 1>want to build a hackintosh. You know, I can give

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<v Speaker 1>you a specific example of why someone would want to

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<v Speaker 1>build a hackintosh. Hit me baby one more time. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Jobs does not believe the Apple can affordably produce

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<v Speaker 1>a netbook. Oh so it might, it might behoo have

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<v Speaker 1>someone to prove Steve Jobs wrong by taking a net

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<v Speaker 1>stripping it of its operating system and installing OS ten

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<v Speaker 1>and then you would have a very small, very portable,

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<v Speaker 1>very affordable machine running the Mac operating system. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's and that's more often than not in the past

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<v Speaker 1>probably year. That's the way I've seen Macintosh is come

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<v Speaker 1>about is because somebody wants a very affordable netbook that

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<v Speaker 1>runs ostend and uh Apple. For the record, I still

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<v Speaker 1>have a twelve inch power book, which is an older

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<v Speaker 1>power pc uh Macintosh, and I still get comments like wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a really small mac and like, yeah it is. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't make it anymore. They don't make it twelve inch, right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's another closest you can get. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>actually never really affordable. It depends on how you define.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, let me let me also go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and get this out of the way, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want tons of people writing me. Um. When we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about price points, and people often will say that the

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<v Speaker 1>Mac computers are more expensive than PC computers. Okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>in general, yeah, that's true. You look at the Mac

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<v Speaker 1>computers have a specific range and it's essentially if take

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<v Speaker 1>the Mac Mini out of the equation, right, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>just looking at the laptops to desktops. You're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand to around two thousand dollars or your for

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<v Speaker 1>most of your base computers. Right, So that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fairly expensive. You don't find anything below a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars besides the Mac Mini, which is just the really

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<v Speaker 1>just the basic basic part of a computer, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have to buy everything else around it anyway. Um, Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>with a PC you can look at PCs and like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>look this store is running a thing where I can

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<v Speaker 1>get this PC for four dred bucks. What's the difference?

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<v Speaker 1>The differences in performance? MAX? The reason why MAX are

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<v Speaker 1>so expensive. There are a couple of different reasons. One is, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you are paying the Apple tax. Yes, that Apple computers

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<v Speaker 1>are more expensive than a PC that runs the same

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the same powerful, same amount of power.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say, and it's hard to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the processor is is similar, the amount of storage

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<v Speaker 1>space is similar, the amount of RAM is similar. If

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<v Speaker 1>you if you if you look at the guts of

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<v Speaker 1>the machine, the stuff that's not you take everything outside

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<v Speaker 1>the case, and you get a similar processor and a

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<v Speaker 1>similar hard drive, and a similar graphics processor and sound card.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're going i mean, the components themselves, the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that's inside the box will be It'll be a little cheaper,

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<v Speaker 1>but not not as much as what a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people think. Really, I mean, if you get the quality

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<v Speaker 1>of of um components that Apple uses in their their

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<v Speaker 1>their machines, it's really you're not really going to save

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of money by building the equivalent PC version.

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<v Speaker 1>You will save some, but not not as much as

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<v Speaker 1>what a lot of I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>just imationed, like, oh, there's like a five mark up

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<v Speaker 1>immediately on Apple products. That's just simply not true. No,

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<v Speaker 1>not not not that way. But there is Apple can

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<v Speaker 1>demand a you know, a little bit more cashe and

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<v Speaker 1>they can they can charge a little bit more for

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<v Speaker 1>their products, but it's not you know, completely unwarranted. They

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<v Speaker 1>generally do get a little bit better components. But let

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the Dells and the hps of the

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<v Speaker 1>world that use those same components are cheaper, but not

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<v Speaker 1>as cheap as a an E machine you know what

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<v Speaker 1>you might get at four at at you know, your local,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also running a less powerful process that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have as much memory, doesn't have as much hard drive space,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the thing about netbooks in general. They are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they use less powerful processors. And so really

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<v Speaker 1>a Hacintosh is going to be attractive to someone who

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<v Speaker 1>wants a computer running the Macintosh operating system. They do

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<v Speaker 1>not need it to be as powerful as Apple has

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<v Speaker 1>made their computers, not in general. So well, let's well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just say like I want to Let's say I

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<v Speaker 1>want to run stuff on the mac os, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really have it in my budget to buy the

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<v Speaker 1>cheapest of the the imax. Let's say, okay, I want

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<v Speaker 1>a desktop computer, and you don't want a Mac minie.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want a macmni. Okay, let's say that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to Mac Mini, which is around what six

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<v Speaker 1>seven hulls. I think, so honestly, haven't I will look

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<v Speaker 1>to look while I talk, So, uh, I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>can't afford the lowest level iMac. Let's say, and I want, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I want a desktop computer. It does not have to

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<v Speaker 1>be as powerful as the iMac, but I want it

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<v Speaker 1>running the operating system. I don't have any options besides

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<v Speaker 1>the Mac Mini, which is there you go, That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was. But um, I wasn't. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>entirely so uh but keeping that in mind, then I

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<v Speaker 1>would you know, I'm going out and buying like a

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper desktop, I'm putting the mac Os on it. What

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<v Speaker 1>do I need to do in order to do that? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. The Mac Os is built for a

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<v Speaker 1>very specific hardware and bios configuration. Yes, I mean if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you are in control of the entire you know,

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<v Speaker 1>theoretically in the entire line of computers, you know specifically

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<v Speaker 1>what processors you have used in the past and what

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<v Speaker 1>it should run on. Like Microsoft really has a much

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<v Speaker 1>more difficult job because they have to build an operating

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<v Speaker 1>system that can work on a huge variety of hardware.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about different kinds of processors, motherboards, ram hard

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<v Speaker 1>drive space, I mean, video cards. It has to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to support all this different stuff. Now, Apple, the

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<v Speaker 1>OS only has to support a a limited number of

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<v Speaker 1>components because that's all Apple will use. Now, even within

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<v Speaker 1>a line of IMAX, depending on when you get one,

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<v Speaker 1>the components may not be exactly the same because Apple,

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<v Speaker 1>like other companies, is going to purchase their equipment in

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<v Speaker 1>places where it makes the most sense. So if if

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<v Speaker 1>one person, if one company, creates a motherboard that is

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<v Speaker 1>that the OS um supports, and that's the cheapest one

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<v Speaker 1>in the market, that's where they're gonna go. But if

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<v Speaker 1>another company starts to undercut the first one and the

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<v Speaker 1>OS also supports that motherboard configuration, you can bet that

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<v Speaker 1>Apple is gonna switch. So there are still a range

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<v Speaker 1>of of pieces of equipment that you can find in

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<v Speaker 1>the Macintosh line, but it's a much much more narrow range, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to build a PC that runs

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<v Speaker 1>mac OS reliably, that means that you have to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that the components you pick are among those that

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<v Speaker 1>the OS supports, Otherwise you will have problems getting your

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<v Speaker 1>hardware to interact with your operating system. And that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be tricky, especially with UH stuff like the netbooks, because

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<v Speaker 1>the netbooks use and often use processors that were not

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<v Speaker 1>part of the the Apple line. Yeah, it's actually a

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<v Speaker 1>lot easier to build a desktop than it would be

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<v Speaker 1>to buy a netbook or laptop and strip it of

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<v Speaker 1>its operating system and put in a new one. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what you can do if you want to buy or

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to build your own computer, you would

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<v Speaker 1>buy the the components individually, including the case. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about everything from the power source to the fan,

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<v Speaker 1>to the motherboard, to RAM, to hard drive, two disk drives.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that stuff needs to be purchased, and you

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<v Speaker 1>need to to look and see what the mac os supports.

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you right now. The source that I

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<v Speaker 1>found that I think gives the most um thorough walk

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<v Speaker 1>through of building a hackintosh is life Hacker. Life Hacker

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<v Speaker 1>gives a great rundown from beginning to end on how

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<v Speaker 1>to build a hackintosh. Uh they even link out to other,

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<v Speaker 1>um other really really in depth articles about building your

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<v Speaker 1>own computer. So if you've never built a computer before,

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<v Speaker 1>and the language in that article is a little difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for you to understand because you're just not familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the terminology, you can actually go to their earlier articles

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<v Speaker 1>and see, you know, you can build from the ground up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's nice because it doesn't it's it's accessible. All right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about what you would actually need to do

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<v Speaker 1>if you were going to do I mean, you know

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<v Speaker 1>in a nutshell that if you're gonna do it at

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<v Speaker 1>that level, you're really gonna go forward with it. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't follow the instructions were going to lay out. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're just gonna talk about the high end. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna about in general generalities. So, so you have

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<v Speaker 1>a you have a PC, maybe you built it, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's a netbook that you want to run ten on.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you going to convince it that it's a Macintosh.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing you're gonna have to do is probably well,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as I'm concerned, is tweak your bios. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the bios is this layer of programming that interacts between

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<v Speaker 1>your operating system and your computer's hardware. The bios has

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to operate in such a way that

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<v Speaker 1>it can convince the operating system that the underlying hardware

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<v Speaker 1>is in fact a Macintosh. So, um, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>find a set of directions, and there are many out

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<v Speaker 1>there on the web that tell you how to tweak

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<v Speaker 1>your BIOS in such a way so that it is

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<v Speaker 1>compatible with the mac Os because just plugging the mac

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<v Speaker 1>OS DVD into your PC and then trying to install

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<v Speaker 1>the operating system, that's not gonna work. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>do a clean install like that, right right. And I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell you from personal experience that this right, this

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<v Speaker 1>right here is going to keep a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>from doing from trying this because UM, I installed a

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<v Speaker 1>copy of a Buntu Johnny jack Lope on an old

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<v Speaker 1>PC that I had, and uh, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>a version of Linux for those of you who aren't

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<v Speaker 1>in the know. UM. Now, the Linux community is much

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<v Speaker 1>different because in this case, UM, I have had difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>finding a driver for the monitor that I have, so

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<v Speaker 1>I can't I'm having trouble changing the resolution of the

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<v Speaker 1>monitor and making the most of the size that I

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<v Speaker 1>have hooked up to the PC. The thing the difference

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<v Speaker 1>here is eventually the Linux community, somebody might write a

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<v Speaker 1>driver for that, because it's an open source operating system

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<v Speaker 1>and there are thousands and thousands of people messing with

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<v Speaker 1>it and tinkering with it and hacking it every day. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in Apple's case, if I'm trying to do this with

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<v Speaker 1>a hack in tash and I can't get a particular

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<v Speaker 1>piece of hardware to work, then nobody's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>writing a driver for it because Apple is not supporting it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only luck and I can tell you from

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the amount of frustration of how with just

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<v Speaker 1>that one little thing where actually somebody might take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at it for real. You know, if I were

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to do this and it didn't work

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<v Speaker 1>right off the bat, I would probably go, well, the

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<v Speaker 1>chance to coming around this obstacle are pretty, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty low. That's why I would go with building a

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<v Speaker 1>computer versus buying one and hoping that everything is going

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<v Speaker 1>to work out, because at least when you buy all

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<v Speaker 1>the components, especially if someone's already done this before, then

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<v Speaker 1>at least you have the you know, yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 1>something to fall back on saying, well, it worked in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, so it should work when I do it,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as I do everything correctly. When you're using

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<v Speaker 1>a different set of hardware, there's no way to predict that.

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<v Speaker 1>So um and and the only other thing you can

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<v Speaker 1>hope is that the next generation of Apple products actually

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<v Speaker 1>uses whatever hardware you is no longer is isn't recognized

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<v Speaker 1>by your operating system and that they patch it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the chances are minuscule, but it's easy if you're

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<v Speaker 1>It would be far easier to build a hack intosh,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were going to take the components themselves off

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<v Speaker 1>the store shelf and go, I know they used this,

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<v Speaker 1>I know they used that. I'm pretty sure they have

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<v Speaker 1>one of those in an iMac. You can put it

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<v Speaker 1>together and probably get it to work without too awfully

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<v Speaker 1>much difficulty. I would imagine, yeah, you'd have to it

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<v Speaker 1>would know what those things were. Usually you're gonna have

0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:24.439
<v Speaker 1>to rip the operating system software onto another desk. The

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<v Speaker 1>Lifehickers suggests that you buy your copy of the operating system,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're not just stealing it. Well, that's that's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how side star is making its case because they're

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<v Speaker 1>buying legitimate copies of the operating system. It's just that

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<v Speaker 1>Apple says that it's a violation of the end user

0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.359
<v Speaker 1>license agreement to use it on a machine that is

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<v Speaker 1>not technically am academ Right. So side Star what they

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<v Speaker 1>are doing is they're doing exactly what I'm describing, except

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing it on a wider scale. They're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>in a mass production kind of way. I guess not

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<v Speaker 1>really mass production because I doubt that they're making that

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<v Speaker 1>many of them right now. Well, I mean it's more

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<v Speaker 1>than just one or two. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a company that's that's taking this process and as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of putting a a streamlined effect into into place.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what they're doing is they're installing this upbring

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<v Speaker 1>system on a set of PC hardware that is as

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<v Speaker 1>close to what the Mac hardware does as possible. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are three different tiers that you can buy,

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<v Speaker 1>UH for the the Size Star models and UM Size

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<v Speaker 1>Star also offers they just started offering at a trial

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<v Speaker 1>version anyway, a set of software called Rebel. Yes that

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<v Speaker 1>that would be Rebel e f I, and the e

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<v Speaker 1>f I is actually short for UM. Oh, I had

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<v Speaker 1>it down here? Where is it? I honestly don't know

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:42.880
<v Speaker 1>the answer to this because I didn't have it. Where

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:47.199
<v Speaker 1>is it? Anyway? It's a UM. The e f I

0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 1>is basically a piece of code that defines the basically

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the different communication between an operating system and the platform firmware.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they're trying they're basically fooling the computer into

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<v Speaker 1>two are actually fooling the operating system into believing that

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<v Speaker 1>it's running on a Macintosh. So in other words, you

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 1>could run this software to install mac os on any computer. So,

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.879
<v Speaker 1>like you know, Chris was talking about the netbooks, this

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 1>would be one way to get the mac OS onto

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<v Speaker 1>a netbook, assuming the netbook was capable of running the

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 1>operating system, if it was powerful enough. Um. But as

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.240
<v Speaker 1>a side star points out, there's no guarantee that all

0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 1>of your hardware, all of your drivers are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be compatible with the mac os. It is supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>try and fool the OS as much as possible into

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<v Speaker 1>thinking it's on an Apple machine, but that does not

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 1>mean that everything's gonna work, Like you might suddenly realize

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:37.639
<v Speaker 1>that your touch pad doesn't work. Um. And a lot

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.560
<v Speaker 1>of people who have netbooks, netbook hacintoshes have had trouble

0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 1>with stuff just cutting out on them and crashing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been unreliable. Yeah, so I mean buy or beware, not

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.640
<v Speaker 1>not completely, but you know it, it happens from time.

0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 1>It's not necessarily going to be as reliable as again,

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.240
<v Speaker 1>building your own machine. But of course building building a

0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:00.880
<v Speaker 1>netbook is pretty much I mean, I guess could take

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>that on but it would probably be more expensive than

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>just going out and buying one. Yeah. Yeah, I mean

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>it's the kind of thing that I would imagine the

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the support costs, even if you're the ones supporting it,

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.120
<v Speaker 1>it would be kind of irritating. It would be you'd

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>be better off getting, you know, a machine that worked

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.479
<v Speaker 1>for you, with some operating system that you were comfortable with. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the trial version of Rebel, just so you guys know,

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<v Speaker 1>it is very limited. It has a two hour run

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<v Speaker 1>time and after that it deactivates. And they also very

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<v Speaker 1>they make it very clear that they do not uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they are not to be held responsible for any data

0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>lost during the process. Yeah, and that that goes back

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 1>to our always back up your hard drive. Yes. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, ef I is short for Extensible Firmware Interface,

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the interface between the firmware and the hardware. That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, all right, So we've defined Hackintosh. We

0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of gave people, you know, say, go to life

0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:54.719
<v Speaker 1>hacker if you really want to take this on. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting project. I don't know that I would necessarily

0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>take it on. I've already got a Mac and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>happy with it, and you know, I was. It comes

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 1>down to if you're willing to put in the work. Um,

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and the money really is a big deal. The life

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Hacker machine that is described as eight hundred dollars. The

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 1>little fudging there, it was eight hundred after some rebates

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 1>total it was I think, so that's still cheaper than

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<v Speaker 1>any iMac you're gonna find. It's not as it's more

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 1>expensive than the Mac many. But then again with the

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Mac Mini you've kind of buy other stuff too. So

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>if you already have monitors or whatever that are going

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 1>to work with this, uh, then you'll save money that way. Yeah,

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and then there's the the joy of hacking, which a

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.679
<v Speaker 1>lot of people, you know, if you you're interested in

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.639
<v Speaker 1>having it as a project, I mean, that's sort of

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.200
<v Speaker 1>a different animal. But for me, I'm I'm not at

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 1>that level. I'm more of an enthusiast for technology. So

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I would prefer that if I were using a Macintosh

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.640
<v Speaker 1>or Windows or Linux machine that in general it would

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 1>run pretty well. Yeah. I kind of like stuff, but

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I would prefer it to work more than it doesn't. Yeah,

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm right there with you then, And I you know,

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the the gray area. It just kind of makes me nervous. Well,

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 1>whenever I think about building on taking on a project

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>like this, Like I thought about a few different projects

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>like this, and I really think, like, oh, that might

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>be really neat to tackle. What if I really, you know,

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.760
<v Speaker 1>tried this out. Um, I look back to the things

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>I built in wood shop class back when I was

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>in high school and how they are completely unidentifiable from

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 1>what they are supposed to be, and I think this

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 1>might not be for me. Yeah, yeah, um yeah, it's

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>it's funny because I just don't I don't know. It

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 1>seems like it would be an awful lot of trouble

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>unless you were specifically, you know, doing it just to

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 1>see what breaks and what doesn't. Um, And I think

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 1>we should mention to the dark gray part of the

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 1>gray area, which is the cracked version. There is another

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>way to do this, which is within actual cracked version

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 1>of the operating system. And in this case, you're violating

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:57.719
<v Speaker 1>more than the end usual action because you're essentially stealing

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:00.040
<v Speaker 1>in a copy of the operation that is not you

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 1>should make copy. I guess you could argue, hey, what

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>if I went out and bought a copy of the

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>operating system and never used it and then just downloaded it?

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>But even so, you're still stealing a copy. Yeah, and

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 1>then you're gonna have to prove that we're talking about

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>It seems like the realm of bit torrent here is

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, and that's that's definitely

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>farther than I'm personally willing to go on that. Probably.

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I should also point out that I misspocused. How can

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<v Speaker 1>ago before everyone writes in and tells me that the

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:28.399
<v Speaker 1>f I is not the interface between the hardware and

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.479
<v Speaker 1>the firmware. It is, in fact the interface between the

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>software in the firmware. I was wondering because I was

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>thinking that between heart software, between firmware and hardware. I

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>was like, wow, that's a that's a new level that

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even familiar with. That would be a wrong level. Yeah,

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I was completely wrong. It is between the software and

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the firmware. So I hope you didn't pause the podcast

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and then tell somebody somebody will have done. We'll see it,

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 1>and and don't think you're funny if you listen to

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing and then you pretended like you paused

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>it and then you wrote in we can tell because

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>we're that darn good. Um, I am uh, I'm worn out.

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>With Hackintosh's yeah, it's it's it's interesting. Is it seems

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>like it would be a kind of an interesting project,

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>but uh, it's some it applies to a niche audience.

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>But you might hear people talking about it, and maybe

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>it'll inspire Apple to come up with a small, uh

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>something relatively an expensive portable device like a tablet. I

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 1>didn't say tablet. We're fueling the rumors once again. I

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>think really what it comes down to is, uh, if

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>you want the mac os that badly, then go ahead

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and put some money into investing into an Apple computer. Um,

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and if you want to do things that are useful

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>like play games or productivity software, just stick with the

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Windows machine. Seriously that I don't have an anti Mac bias, honestly.

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm done? Are you done? I am? I'm

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>so done. Let us move on to our second round

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>of listener mail. This comes from David in London, the

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>United Kingdom, and I'm too tired to do a fake accent,

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>so here we go. Hey guys, great show. As ever,

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>something pretty important you didn't mention is where the Zoom

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>is sold e g. Only in the United States. Why,

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>surely a big partner to uptake with when Apple sells

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>their kid globally barrier barrier to uptake. That's why I

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>get up a game. I'm trying to read through the

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<v Speaker 1>mic screen. Crazy. Keep up the great work, David and London. Um. Yeah,

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 1>so the zoom it is available in a very limited

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>geographic range. It that is definitely another another barrier to

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft success. UM can't really answer why because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the reason. It may have something to do with licensing.

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea actually that that makes a lot

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>of sense. So maybe we'll look into that. That might

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>actually be another good podcast is talking about why certain

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>things are available in some countries and not in others,

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>besides the content stuff like Hulu or BBC, where it's

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>clearly a licensing issue as far as content goes. Yeah,

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 1>that might be a fun one to do, so we'll

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.640
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