1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technologies with 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: tech stuff from how stuff works dot com. You've heard 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: the rumors before, perhaps and whispers written between the lines 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: of the textbooks. Conspiracies, paranormal events, all those things that 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: disappear from the official explanations. Tune in and learn more 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: of the stuff they don't want you to know in 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: this video podcast from how stuff works dot com. Hello there, everybody, 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Palette, 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: and I'm the tech editor here at how stuff works 11 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: dot com. And apparently I speak halting Lee sitting across 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: from me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland. Hey, 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: they're all you hepcats a sight. Yeah yeah, I'm not 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: sure where they came from. We had a big philosophical 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: discussion just a minute ago. Of course, this episode may 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: publish before that one, so we won't go into any detail. Um, 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: Before we get started, I wanted to remind you remember 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: we were talking earlier about pumpkin destruction. Oh yes, yes, right, 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: the Science Channels showing the road to Punkin, Chunkin and 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: Punkin chunkin on Thanksgiving night. Yeah, that's a November twenty 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: six here in the United States on Science Channel. Yeah, 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: starts at eight. Uh. Then there's another one at nine, 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: So those are the two shows. Um, you get to 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: see these guys who build these amazing machines designed to 25 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: shoot pumpkins a very far away before they explode. Yes, yes, 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: it's it's lovely. I've actually watched shows like this in 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: the past, and it's it's a lot of fun to 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: watch those those guys shoot a uh an object that 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't be fired from a cannon and watch it 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: burst on the ground. It's it's what you might call gorgeous. 31 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: So what are we gonna talk about today? While it 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: all boils down to a message I received in listen 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: or mail. Now, this listener mail came from Mark from Phoenix, Arizona, 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: and Mark wrote an incredibly long and wonderful listener listener 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: mail to us. But it's so long and it covers 36 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: so much ground that I tried to cut it back 37 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: a little bit because it's just it's too unwieldy to 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: start off an episode. So here's here's what's left. Greetings, 39 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: Chris and Jonathan, I want to tell you how much 40 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: I enjoy listening to your podcast, as well as comment 41 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: on several specific items. Excerpt your episode on Apple clones 42 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: lacked a description of resources on the web, both for 43 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: sale and open source, that are available to convert a 44 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: PC into a hack intosh. Never tried this myself yet, 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: but I also have read several articles claiming success using 46 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: OS ten as a virtual machine when parallels Desktop and 47 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: V and fusion wear. But your mileage is sure to vary. 48 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: As with any type of non authorized, undefined use of 49 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: any hardware, software, or firmware. You put them in all caps. 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: I thin make it special. Another definition of firmware you 51 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: can consider is any code that begins execution on the 52 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: system prior to the main operating system becoming active. Take 53 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: it or leave it, but don't deny it. Also sounds 54 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: pretty good. Once again, I love your podcasts and feel 55 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: at times that you two have produced some of them 56 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: just for me. To me, that's a sign of true 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: technology evangelists. Please don't stop doing what you do until 58 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: you at least talk about jail breaking and why that 59 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: could drive you crazy or worse. Sincerely, Mark from Phoenix, Arizona. 60 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: So this isn't the jail breaking episode. This is a 61 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: long distance dedication. Yes, this one goes out to Mark 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: Mark wherever you are, probably Phoenix, Arizona. This one specifically 63 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: for you. Um so we wanted to talk about Hackintosh 64 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: is now like Mark said ages back back in April, 65 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: in fact, I think, um, we had an episode called 66 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: Apple Clones. We're kind of talking about these computers that 67 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: were being made by a company called sy Star. Still 68 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: are actually and still buy them. Um and the company 69 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: what size Star was doing that was so unique was 70 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: it was selling uh hardware, PC hardware that was running 71 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: the Mac os ten operating system. Now, this is unusual 72 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: because Apple likes their Mac os ten operating system to 73 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: run on Apple computers and only Apple computers. That's right. 74 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Anything otherwise is a violation of the end user license 75 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: agreement or yeah, now you lash. Laws by the way, 76 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: are not law yet, so um so, yeah, you you 77 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: are violating a license agreement if you try to install 78 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: an operating system or really when whenever you're doing anything 79 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: that violates a license agreement, you are not technically breaking 80 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: the law in the United States. Um, yet we have 81 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: to say yet change, Yes, there have been so now 82 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: in this case, the whole reason behind it is that 83 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: Apple they like to build a product from the ground 84 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: up and control every aspect of that product possible, right, 85 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: I mean everything. Yeah, So they're very, very concerned about 86 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,559 Speaker 1: the whole user experience. And of course they don't build 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: every piece of it, but they choose what processor goes 88 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: in there, and they choose what video card goes the exactly. Yeah. 89 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 1: So when you're talking about that, then you you realize 90 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: PCs are totally different PCs. Two PCs that are essentially 91 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: the same amount of like they have the same specs 92 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: in general, could have completely different parts to them, completely 93 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: different components from different manufacturers, and they could look totally different. 94 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: You know, one PC may look and completely different from 95 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: another PC that has essentially the same specs. Apple, They're 96 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: going to be uniform. They're beautiful, they're efficient machines. Um, 97 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: they do what what they were designed to do very well. 98 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: Uh But again there unless if you don't like that style, 99 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: you're out of luck, because that's all there is. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 100 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: and and I would like to get into a little 101 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: bit of the definition on hacking because uh, you know, 102 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: the word hacker sort of carries with it a negative connotation. 103 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean, people think of hackers as people who break 104 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: into mainframe computers and steal social security numbers or yeah, yeah, 105 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: global thermonuclear war, that kind of thing. Shall we play 106 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: a game? But you know, there are other people who 107 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: see hacking as something different. I mean, the basically the 108 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: whole uh O'Reilly community would see it as people who 109 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: like to take things apart and mess with it and 110 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: you can do things for Yeah, I see how it works, 111 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: Maybe improve upon it, uh you know, maybe share that 112 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: information with other people and and and try something new. 113 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you might. You might think, hey, I've 114 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: got this device that does this one thing really well. 115 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: I wish it could also do this other thing. And 116 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: then you think, hey, wait, if I take it apart 117 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: and look and see how it works, I might be 118 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: able to make it do this other thing. And then 119 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: you build it back and you you you add in 120 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: new functionality that is hacking. It can be. It doesn't 121 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: have to be a computer, doesn't have to be a program, 122 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be software. It can be anything really 123 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: and um, a lot of the early hackers, that's what 124 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: they were doing. They were taking software and saying, you know, 125 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: the software is great, but I could really use a 126 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: little more functionality. I need a couple of features that 127 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: aren't found in this I'll just build in some lines 128 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: of code added into this, uh, this program, and it 129 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: will suddenly do the things I needed to do. May 130 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: not look pretty, it may not be uh, it may 131 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: not be elegant. So you might be a code monkey 132 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: and uh your code is not functional or elegant. Um. Yeah, 133 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: I love Jonathan Colton. Um if you're listening to Jonathan Yeah, 134 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: big fans, Um, I'll be seeing you in Atlanta in January. 135 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: So anyway, the the whole, the whole idea here is that, Yeah, 136 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: these guys are not They're not they don't have any 137 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: like ulterior motives. They're not trying to um bring down 138 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: the system or anything like that. They're curious to know 139 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: how something works. They may want to improve upon it, 140 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: and they may want to use it in a way 141 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: that the person who created it had not either thought 142 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: of or intended. Yeah, and a lot of people in 143 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: the hacker community who take uh shall we say, umbrage 144 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: at the use of the word hacker to describe you know, 145 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: these uh folks who are up to know God like 146 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: prefer that we use the word cracker for those who 147 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: are trying to break in, uh to you know, the 148 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: entire country of Moldova and trash their water system or whatever. 149 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: We have some bad news for you guys, though. The 150 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: AP style book says no way, everybody's a hacker. Yeah, 151 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: so sorry, we have to follow a P style book rules. 152 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: That's that's our style kinds. So so for us now 153 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: from now on, a hacker as a hacker as a hacker. 154 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: But that's the thing is there there everybody who's a 155 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: hacker is hacking, whether they're using it for good or 156 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: for evil. Oh you know, it's just like Wizard of Oz, 157 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: Are you a good witch? Are you a bad witch? Sandwich? 158 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: So let's go on to talking specifically about the Hackintosh, 159 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: now that we've talked all around the hacker thing. Yeah, well, 160 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: I just wanted to clarify that because, uh, you know, 161 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: you might associate this with doing something illegal and it's not. 162 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: It's sort of depends on how you go about it. 163 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: And there's different shades of gray from the light grade 164 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: to the very very very dark. It's on the fringe, definitely, definitely. 165 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: Now let me ask you this question, why would someone 166 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: want to build a hackintosh. You know, I can give 167 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: you a specific example of why someone would want to 168 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: build a hackintosh. Hit me baby one more time. Um, 169 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs does not believe the Apple can affordably produce 170 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: a netbook. Oh so it might, it might behoo have 171 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: someone to prove Steve Jobs wrong by taking a net 172 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: stripping it of its operating system and installing OS ten 173 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: and then you would have a very small, very portable, 174 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: very affordable machine running the Mac operating system. Yes, and 175 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: that's and that's more often than not in the past 176 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: probably year. That's the way I've seen Macintosh is come 177 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: about is because somebody wants a very affordable netbook that 178 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: runs ostend and uh Apple. For the record, I still 179 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: have a twelve inch power book, which is an older 180 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: power pc uh Macintosh, and I still get comments like wow, 181 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: that's a really small mac and like, yeah it is. Well, 182 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: they don't make it anymore. They don't make it twelve inch, right, Um, 183 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: so that's another closest you can get. And it was 184 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: actually never really affordable. It depends on how you define. 185 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: All right, well, let me let me also go ahead 186 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: and get this out of the way, because I don't 187 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: want tons of people writing me. Um. When we talk 188 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: about price points, and people often will say that the 189 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: Mac computers are more expensive than PC computers. Okay, well 190 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: in general, yeah, that's true. You look at the Mac 191 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: computers have a specific range and it's essentially if take 192 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: the Mac Mini out of the equation, right, so you're 193 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: just looking at the laptops to desktops. You're looking at 194 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: a thousand to around two thousand dollars or your for 195 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: most of your base computers. Right, So that's you know, 196 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: that's fairly expensive. You don't find anything below a thousand 197 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: dollars besides the Mac Mini, which is just the really 198 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: just the basic basic part of a computer, and you 199 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: have to buy everything else around it anyway. Um, Whereas 200 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: with a PC you can look at PCs and like, hey, 201 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: look this store is running a thing where I can 202 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: get this PC for four dred bucks. What's the difference? 203 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: The differences in performance? MAX? The reason why MAX are 204 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: so expensive. There are a couple of different reasons. One is, yes, 205 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: you are paying the Apple tax. Yes, that Apple computers 206 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: are more expensive than a PC that runs the same 207 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: kind of like the same powerful, same amount of power. 208 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: I guess you could say, and it's hard to say, 209 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: Like the processor is is similar, the amount of storage 210 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: space is similar, the amount of RAM is similar. If 211 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: you if you if you look at the guts of 212 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: the machine, the stuff that's not you take everything outside 213 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: the case, and you get a similar processor and a 214 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: similar hard drive, and a similar graphics processor and sound card. 215 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: You're you're going i mean, the components themselves, the stuff 216 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: that's inside the box will be It'll be a little cheaper, 217 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: but not not as much as what a lot of 218 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: people think. Really, I mean, if you get the quality 219 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: of of um components that Apple uses in their their 220 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: their machines, it's really you're not really going to save 221 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: a ton of money by building the equivalent PC version. 222 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: You will save some, but not not as much as 223 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: what a lot of I think a lot of people 224 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: just imationed, like, oh, there's like a five mark up 225 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: immediately on Apple products. That's just simply not true. No, 226 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: not not not that way. But there is Apple can 227 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: demand a you know, a little bit more cashe and 228 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: they can they can charge a little bit more for 229 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: their products, but it's not you know, completely unwarranted. They 230 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: generally do get a little bit better components. But let 231 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: the you know, the Dells and the hps of the 232 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: world that use those same components are cheaper, but not 233 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: as cheap as a an E machine you know what 234 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: you might get at four at at you know, your local, 235 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: but it's also running a less powerful process that doesn't 236 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: have as much memory, doesn't have as much hard drive space, 237 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: which is the thing about netbooks in general. They are 238 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, they use less powerful processors. And so really 239 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: a Hacintosh is going to be attractive to someone who 240 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: wants a computer running the Macintosh operating system. They do 241 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: not need it to be as powerful as Apple has 242 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: made their computers, not in general. So well, let's well, 243 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: let's just say like I want to Let's say I 244 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: want to run stuff on the mac os, but I 245 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: don't really have it in my budget to buy the 246 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: cheapest of the the imax. Let's say, okay, I want 247 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: a desktop computer, and you don't want a Mac minie. 248 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't want a macmni. Okay, let's say that I 249 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: don't want to Mac Mini, which is around what six 250 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: seven hulls. I think, so honestly, haven't I will look 251 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: to look while I talk, So, uh, I don't I 252 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: can't afford the lowest level iMac. Let's say, and I want, um, 253 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: I want a desktop computer. It does not have to 254 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: be as powerful as the iMac, but I want it 255 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: running the operating system. I don't have any options besides 256 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: the Mac Mini, which is there you go, That's what 257 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was. But um, I wasn't. It wasn't 258 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: entirely so uh but keeping that in mind, then I 259 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: would you know, I'm going out and buying like a 260 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: cheaper desktop, I'm putting the mac Os on it. What 261 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: do I need to do in order to do that? Okay, 262 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: here's the thing. The Mac Os is built for a 263 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: very specific hardware and bios configuration. Yes, I mean if 264 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: you if you are in control of the entire you know, 265 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: theoretically in the entire line of computers, you know specifically 266 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: what processors you have used in the past and what 267 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: it should run on. Like Microsoft really has a much 268 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: more difficult job because they have to build an operating 269 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: system that can work on a huge variety of hardware. 270 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: We're talking about different kinds of processors, motherboards, ram hard 271 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: drive space, I mean, video cards. It has to be 272 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: able to support all this different stuff. Now, Apple, the 273 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: OS only has to support a a limited number of 274 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: components because that's all Apple will use. Now, even within 275 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: a line of IMAX, depending on when you get one, 276 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: the components may not be exactly the same because Apple, 277 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: like other companies, is going to purchase their equipment in 278 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: places where it makes the most sense. So if if 279 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: one person, if one company, creates a motherboard that is 280 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: that the OS um supports, and that's the cheapest one 281 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: in the market, that's where they're gonna go. But if 282 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: another company starts to undercut the first one and the 283 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: OS also supports that motherboard configuration, you can bet that 284 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: Apple is gonna switch. So there are still a range 285 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: of of pieces of equipment that you can find in 286 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: the Macintosh line, but it's a much much more narrow range, right, 287 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: So if you want to build a PC that runs 288 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: mac OS reliably, that means that you have to make 289 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: sure that the components you pick are among those that 290 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: the OS supports, Otherwise you will have problems getting your 291 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: hardware to interact with your operating system. And that's gonna 292 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: be tricky, especially with UH stuff like the netbooks, because 293 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: the netbooks use and often use processors that were not 294 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: part of the the Apple line. Yeah, it's actually a 295 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: lot easier to build a desktop than it would be 296 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: to buy a netbook or laptop and strip it of 297 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: its operating system and put in a new one. Um, 298 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: what you can do if you want to buy or 299 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: if you want to build your own computer, you would 300 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: buy the the components individually, including the case. So you're 301 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: talking about everything from the power source to the fan, 302 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: to the motherboard, to RAM, to hard drive, two disk drives. 303 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: All of that stuff needs to be purchased, and you 304 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: need to to look and see what the mac os supports. 305 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: I will tell you right now. The source that I 306 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: found that I think gives the most um thorough walk 307 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: through of building a hackintosh is life Hacker. Life Hacker 308 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: gives a great rundown from beginning to end on how 309 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: to build a hackintosh. Uh they even link out to other, 310 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: um other really really in depth articles about building your 311 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: own computer. So if you've never built a computer before, 312 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: and the language in that article is a little difficult 313 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: for you to understand because you're just not familiar with 314 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: the terminology, you can actually go to their earlier articles 315 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: and see, you know, you can build from the ground up. Okay, 316 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: so it's nice because it doesn't it's it's accessible. All right. Well, 317 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: let's talk about what you would actually need to do 318 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: if you were going to do I mean, you know 319 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: in a nutshell that if you're gonna do it at 320 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: that level, you're really gonna go forward with it. I 321 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't follow the instructions were going to lay out. I 322 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: think we're just gonna talk about the high end. Yeah, 323 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna about in general generalities. So, so you have 324 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: a you have a PC, maybe you built it, maybe 325 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: it's a netbook that you want to run ten on. 326 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: How are you going to convince it that it's a Macintosh. 327 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: The first thing you're gonna have to do is probably well, 328 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, is tweak your bios. Now, 329 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: the bios is this layer of programming that interacts between 330 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: your operating system and your computer's hardware. The bios has 331 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: to be able to operate in such a way that 332 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: it can convince the operating system that the underlying hardware 333 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: is in fact a Macintosh. So, um, you need to 334 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: find a set of directions, and there are many out 335 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: there on the web that tell you how to tweak 336 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: your BIOS in such a way so that it is 337 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: compatible with the mac Os because just plugging the mac 338 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: OS DVD into your PC and then trying to install 339 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: the operating system, that's not gonna work. And I just 340 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: do a clean install like that, right right. And I 341 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: can tell you from personal experience that this right, this 342 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: right here is going to keep a lot of people 343 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: from doing from trying this because UM, I installed a 344 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: copy of a Buntu Johnny jack Lope on an old 345 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: PC that I had, and uh, this is this is 346 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: a version of Linux for those of you who aren't 347 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: in the know. UM. Now, the Linux community is much 348 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: different because in this case, UM, I have had difficulty 349 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: finding a driver for the monitor that I have, so 350 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: I can't I'm having trouble changing the resolution of the 351 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: monitor and making the most of the size that I 352 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: have hooked up to the PC. The thing the difference 353 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: here is eventually the Linux community, somebody might write a 354 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: driver for that, because it's an open source operating system 355 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: and there are thousands and thousands of people messing with 356 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: it and tinkering with it and hacking it every day. Now, 357 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: in Apple's case, if I'm trying to do this with 358 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: a hack in tash and I can't get a particular 359 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: piece of hardware to work, then nobody's going to be 360 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: writing a driver for it because Apple is not supporting it. 361 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: And the only luck and I can tell you from 362 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, the amount of frustration of how with just 363 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: that one little thing where actually somebody might take a 364 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: look at it for real. You know, if I were 365 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: going to try to do this and it didn't work 366 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: right off the bat, I would probably go, well, the 367 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: chance to coming around this obstacle are pretty, you know, 368 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: pretty low. That's why I would go with building a 369 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: computer versus buying one and hoping that everything is going 370 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: to work out, because at least when you buy all 371 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: the components, especially if someone's already done this before, then 372 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: at least you have the you know, yeah, you have 373 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: something to fall back on saying, well, it worked in 374 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: this case, so it should work when I do it, 375 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: as long as I do everything correctly. When you're using 376 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: a different set of hardware, there's no way to predict that. 377 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: So um and and the only other thing you can 378 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: hope is that the next generation of Apple products actually 379 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: uses whatever hardware you is no longer is isn't recognized 380 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: by your operating system and that they patch it, which 381 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: is the chances are minuscule, but it's easy if you're 382 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: It would be far easier to build a hack intosh, 383 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: if you were going to take the components themselves off 384 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: the store shelf and go, I know they used this, 385 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: I know they used that. I'm pretty sure they have 386 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: one of those in an iMac. You can put it 387 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: together and probably get it to work without too awfully 388 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: much difficulty. I would imagine, yeah, you'd have to it 389 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: would know what those things were. Usually you're gonna have 390 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: to rip the operating system software onto another desk. The 391 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: Lifehickers suggests that you buy your copy of the operating system, 392 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: so you're not just stealing it. Well, that's that's uh, 393 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: that's how side star is making its case because they're 394 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: buying legitimate copies of the operating system. It's just that 395 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: Apple says that it's a violation of the end user 396 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: license agreement to use it on a machine that is 397 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: not technically am academ Right. So side Star what they 398 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: are doing is they're doing exactly what I'm describing, except 399 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: they're doing it on a wider scale. They're doing it 400 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: in a mass production kind of way. I guess not 401 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: really mass production because I doubt that they're making that 402 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: many of them right now. Well, I mean it's more 403 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: than just one or two. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's 404 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: a company that's that's taking this process and as you know, 405 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: kind of putting a a streamlined effect into into place. 406 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: And so what they're doing is they're installing this upbring 407 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: system on a set of PC hardware that is as 408 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: close to what the Mac hardware does as possible. UM. 409 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: And there are three different tiers that you can buy, 410 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: UH for the the Size Star models and UM Size 411 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: Star also offers they just started offering at a trial 412 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: version anyway, a set of software called Rebel. Yes that 413 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: that would be Rebel e f I, and the e 414 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: f I is actually short for UM. Oh, I had 415 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: it down here? Where is it? I honestly don't know 416 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: the answer to this because I didn't have it. Where 417 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: is it? Anyway? It's a UM. The e f I 418 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: is basically a piece of code that defines the basically 419 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: the different communication between an operating system and the platform firmware. 420 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: And so they're trying they're basically fooling the computer into 421 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 1: two are actually fooling the operating system into believing that 422 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: it's running on a Macintosh. So in other words, you 423 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: could run this software to install mac os on any computer. So, 424 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: like you know, Chris was talking about the netbooks, this 425 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: would be one way to get the mac OS onto 426 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: a netbook, assuming the netbook was capable of running the 427 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: operating system, if it was powerful enough. Um. But as 428 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: a side star points out, there's no guarantee that all 429 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: of your hardware, all of your drivers are going to 430 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: be compatible with the mac os. It is supposed to 431 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: try and fool the OS as much as possible into 432 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: thinking it's on an Apple machine, but that does not 433 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: mean that everything's gonna work, Like you might suddenly realize 434 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: that your touch pad doesn't work. Um. And a lot 435 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: of people who have netbooks, netbook hacintoshes have had trouble 436 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: with stuff just cutting out on them and crashing. It's 437 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: been unreliable. Yeah, so I mean buy or beware, not 438 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: not completely, but you know it, it happens from time. 439 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily going to be as reliable as again, 440 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: building your own machine. But of course building building a 441 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: netbook is pretty much I mean, I guess could take 442 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: that on but it would probably be more expensive than 443 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: just going out and buying one. Yeah. Yeah, I mean 444 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing that I would imagine the 445 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: the support costs, even if you're the ones supporting it, 446 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: it would be kind of irritating. It would be you'd 447 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: be better off getting, you know, a machine that worked 448 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 1: for you, with some operating system that you were comfortable with. Right. 449 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: So the trial version of Rebel, just so you guys know, 450 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: it is very limited. It has a two hour run 451 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: time and after that it deactivates. And they also very 452 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: they make it very clear that they do not uh, 453 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: they are not to be held responsible for any data 454 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: lost during the process. Yeah, and that that goes back 455 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: to our always back up your hard drive. Yes. By 456 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: the way, ef I is short for Extensible Firmware Interface, 457 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: the interface between the firmware and the hardware. That makes sense. 458 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: That makes sense, all right, So we've defined Hackintosh. We 459 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: kind of gave people, you know, say, go to life 460 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: hacker if you really want to take this on. It's 461 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: an interesting project. I don't know that I would necessarily 462 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: take it on. I've already got a Mac and I'm 463 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: happy with it, and you know, I was. It comes 464 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: down to if you're willing to put in the work. Um, 465 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: and the money really is a big deal. The life 466 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: Hacker machine that is described as eight hundred dollars. The 467 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: little fudging there, it was eight hundred after some rebates 468 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: total it was I think, so that's still cheaper than 469 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: any iMac you're gonna find. It's not as it's more 470 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: expensive than the Mac many. But then again with the 471 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: Mac Mini you've kind of buy other stuff too. So 472 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: if you already have monitors or whatever that are going 473 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: to work with this, uh, then you'll save money that way. Yeah, 474 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: and then there's the the joy of hacking, which a 475 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, if you you're interested in 476 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: having it as a project, I mean, that's sort of 477 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: a different animal. But for me, I'm I'm not at 478 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: that level. I'm more of an enthusiast for technology. So 479 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: I would prefer that if I were using a Macintosh 480 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: or Windows or Linux machine that in general it would 481 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: run pretty well. Yeah. I kind of like stuff, but 482 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: I would prefer it to work more than it doesn't. Yeah, 483 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm right there with you then, And I you know, 484 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: the the gray area. It just kind of makes me nervous. Well, 485 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: whenever I think about building on taking on a project 486 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: like this, Like I thought about a few different projects 487 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: like this, and I really think, like, oh, that might 488 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: be really neat to tackle. What if I really, you know, 489 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: tried this out. Um, I look back to the things 490 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: I built in wood shop class back when I was 491 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: in high school and how they are completely unidentifiable from 492 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: what they are supposed to be, and I think this 493 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: might not be for me. Yeah, yeah, um yeah, it's 494 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: it's funny because I just don't I don't know. It 495 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: seems like it would be an awful lot of trouble 496 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: unless you were specifically, you know, doing it just to 497 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: see what breaks and what doesn't. Um, And I think 498 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: we should mention to the dark gray part of the 499 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: gray area, which is the cracked version. There is another 500 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: way to do this, which is within actual cracked version 501 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: of the operating system. And in this case, you're violating 502 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: more than the end usual action because you're essentially stealing 503 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: in a copy of the operation that is not you 504 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: should make copy. I guess you could argue, hey, what 505 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: if I went out and bought a copy of the 506 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: operating system and never used it and then just downloaded it? 507 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: But even so, you're still stealing a copy. Yeah, and 508 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: then you're gonna have to prove that we're talking about 509 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: It seems like the realm of bit torrent here is 510 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, and that's that's definitely 511 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: farther than I'm personally willing to go on that. Probably. 512 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: I should also point out that I misspocused. How can 513 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: ago before everyone writes in and tells me that the 514 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: f I is not the interface between the hardware and 515 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: the firmware. It is, in fact the interface between the 516 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: software in the firmware. I was wondering because I was 517 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: thinking that between heart software, between firmware and hardware. I 518 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: was like, wow, that's a that's a new level that 519 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm not even familiar with. That would be a wrong level. Yeah, 520 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: I was completely wrong. It is between the software and 521 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: the firmware. So I hope you didn't pause the podcast 522 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: and then tell somebody somebody will have done. We'll see it, 523 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: and and don't think you're funny if you listen to 524 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: the whole thing and then you pretended like you paused 525 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: it and then you wrote in we can tell because 526 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: we're that darn good. Um, I am uh, I'm worn out. 527 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: With Hackintosh's yeah, it's it's it's interesting. Is it seems 528 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: like it would be a kind of an interesting project, 529 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: but uh, it's some it applies to a niche audience. 530 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: But you might hear people talking about it, and maybe 531 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: it'll inspire Apple to come up with a small, uh 532 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: something relatively an expensive portable device like a tablet. I 533 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: didn't say tablet. We're fueling the rumors once again. I 534 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: think really what it comes down to is, uh, if 535 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: you want the mac os that badly, then go ahead 536 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: and put some money into investing into an Apple computer. Um, 537 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: and if you want to do things that are useful 538 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: like play games or productivity software, just stick with the 539 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: Windows machine. Seriously that I don't have an anti Mac bias, honestly. 540 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: All right, I'm done? Are you done? I am? I'm 541 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: so done. Let us move on to our second round 542 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: of listener mail. This comes from David in London, the 543 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: United Kingdom, and I'm too tired to do a fake accent, 544 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: so here we go. Hey guys, great show. As ever, 545 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: something pretty important you didn't mention is where the Zoom 546 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: is sold e g. Only in the United States. Why, 547 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: surely a big partner to uptake with when Apple sells 548 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: their kid globally barrier barrier to uptake. That's why I 549 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: get up a game. I'm trying to read through the 550 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: mic screen. Crazy. Keep up the great work, David and London. Um. Yeah, 551 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: so the zoom it is available in a very limited 552 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: geographic range. It that is definitely another another barrier to 553 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: Microsoft success. UM can't really answer why because I don't 554 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: know the reason. It may have something to do with licensing. 555 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea actually that that makes a lot 556 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: of sense. So maybe we'll look into that. That might 557 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: actually be another good podcast is talking about why certain 558 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: things are available in some countries and not in others, 559 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: besides the content stuff like Hulu or BBC, where it's 560 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: clearly a licensing issue as far as content goes. Yeah, 561 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: that might be a fun one to do, so we'll 562 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: look into that. Okay, So thanks a lot, David. If 563 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: any of you have any questions or comments or suggestions, 564 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: you can write us. Our email address is tech Stuff 565 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com. Remember we do have 566 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: our live show every Tuesday one pm Eastern. You can 567 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: check that out at our blogs. Just go to how 568 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Look on the right hand side. 569 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: You will see links to the blogs there. 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