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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Flow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, wasn't it stuff to blow your Mind?

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamp and I'm Julie Douglass. And

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Speaker 1: before we started recording this episode, we were just talking

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Speaker 1: about yoga studios, which ties in nicely with today's episode,

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Speaker 1: which is of course about body odor. What body odor

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Speaker 1: can tell us, because I find it. When I noticed

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Speaker 1: body odor, it's generally two different situations. One is, I'm

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Speaker 1: on the train and there's a lot of body odor

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Speaker 1: going on, and it's generally an unpleasant situation because I

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Speaker 1: realize I'm way too close to a lot of people

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Speaker 1: and some of them smell varying degrees of bad or rancid,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes there's a there's some spoiled pants in there

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Speaker 1: as well, I'm sure, but there's also a body odor

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Speaker 1: component to it. Whereas after a yoga class, who good

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Speaker 1: yoga class, there's also a kind of a um, you know,

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Speaker 1: a milange of body odors in the air as well.

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Speaker 1: And I tend like that because it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: kind of a hey, we all just worked out, kind

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Speaker 1: of a smell, and generally, and maybe maybe arguably, the

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Speaker 1: body odors. The individual body odors I'm picking up in

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Speaker 1: that yoga class are simply better body odors. Is that

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Speaker 1: possible that that these are healthy body odors that I'm

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Speaker 1: picking up on the train or unhealthy body odors? So,

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Speaker 1: in other words, on the train you get a cross

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Speaker 1: section of humanity, right, And some of them I'm sure

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Speaker 1: smell fabulous, but then some maybe on death's door possibly,

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Speaker 1: But in a yoga class, for the most part, you

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Speaker 1: probably have a lot of healthy people working out, and

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Speaker 1: maybe that contributes to your sense that what you're smelling

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Speaker 1: is quite good. Yeah, And I don't know, Lamb, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Actually if there's some interesting information that may

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Speaker 1: support that um and we'll get into that, but before

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Speaker 1: we do, we should probably just sort of review the

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Speaker 1: fact that we all have this invisible cloak of odor

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Speaker 1: on us at all time times. An odor artist Cecil

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Speaker 1: told us, who I think, it's just the greatest thing

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Speaker 1: since Slice bread says that we are carrying a database

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Speaker 1: of smells around with us at all times, on her bodies,

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Speaker 1: in her hair, and in our clothing, and these culminate

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Speaker 1: into a kind of autobiography of smell. This is the

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Speaker 1: smell artists the German lady. Yes, yes, yes, the woman

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Speaker 1: who has collected seven thousand different smells, the woman who

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Speaker 1: went to this high falutint gala wearing like this crazy

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Speaker 1: gorgeous dress, looking like Marilyn Monroe on steroids, but then

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Speaker 1: doused herself in molecules of dog crap just so that

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Speaker 1: when she had interactions with people, she could um, you know,

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Speaker 1: both elicit their they're sort of like gross response, but

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Speaker 1: also through our visual process have people come to her. Right.

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Speaker 1: And she was the lady that was on the panel

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Speaker 1: we saw the World Science Festival years back, uh, and

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Speaker 1: she she was the most interesting person on the panel

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Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. But one of the things

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Speaker 1: I always come back to is her argument that we

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Speaker 1: don't give our children enough language to describe smell. That

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Speaker 1: we have a very limited vocabulary genuinely generally speaking on

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Speaker 1: an individual level and also just linguistically as a whole

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Speaker 1: when it comes to describing smells, So we end up saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: well that's stinky, or oh that's that smells gross, when

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Speaker 1: there's really there's a lot more nuanced than any given uh,

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Speaker 1: comparing any given smell to another. Right, because you always

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Speaker 1: take a shoe with stinky cheese. Right for you, it's

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Speaker 1: not stinky, it's delightful blue cheese. Right, or at the

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Speaker 1: very least, we should use a different term to describe

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Speaker 1: cheese that is maybe a little too pungent for us,

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, and even pungent. I feel like pungent

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Speaker 1: the complexities of the scent world that we live in, well,

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Speaker 1: it might fail us because you could make the case

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Speaker 1: that humans really got the short end of the smelling stick.

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Speaker 1: And if we don't have the full spectrum of smell

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Speaker 1: full spectrum of language to describe them. This is a

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Speaker 1: metaphorical smelling stick, not the one that a like a

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Speaker 1: Absolutely never smell the smelling stick. So one of the

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Speaker 1: examples of how we got the short end of the

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Speaker 1: But to the other person, that's a pleasant smell to

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Speaker 1: looking at the genetics of the situation, um, it's it's

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Speaker 1: pretty startling. According to the Thousand Genomes Project, they're about

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Speaker 1: four hundred genes coding for the receptors in our noses,

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Speaker 1: to differ from individual to individual. Yeah. Hiroaki ma Tsunami

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Speaker 1: between two people about of the odor receptors are different,

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Speaker 1: and they think that's probably on the low end actually

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Speaker 1: bearing out this idea that you smell, the smells you

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Speaker 1: And so then that gives you this idea that we're

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Speaker 1: comes to smell, right, it kind of gets down to

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Speaker 1: very different to you? And that's generally generally a kind

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Speaker 1: of abstract discussion to get into, because how do you

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Speaker 1: for the for the notion that, yes, each person, me, you,

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Speaker 1: the listener out there right now, we're all living in

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Speaker 1: slightly different sensory worlds, because again, the world we live

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Speaker 1: in is ultimately just this, this this picture of of sight, sound,

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Speaker 1: our organs, and uh, the the final product is slightly

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Speaker 1: different with each person. It's kind of like the whole uh,

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Speaker 1: Molecular Genetics department discovered that more than half of these

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Speaker 1: This is a March three, UH study from the proceedings

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Speaker 1: what what? What's the deal with this genetic loss? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Is it relatively old phenomenon that affects all primates or

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Speaker 1: and the you know, remembering faces, etcetera, compared to simply

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Speaker 1: more bipetle we got, the less we were on all fours. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: talking about humans smelling other humans, we've got to talk

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Speaker 1: about dogs smelling humans. I mean, and I'm not just

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Speaker 1: And so it shouldn't come as any surprise that dogs

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Speaker 1: have been been observed to detect certain cancers by smelling

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Speaker 1: colon cancer. And of course that's because there are biochemical

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Speaker 1: This is from the Caroline Scott Institutete, and they wanted

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Speaker 1: to see if humans could detect illness and one another

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Speaker 1: through smell. They had eight healthy people who were injected

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