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Speaker 1: the Utah Medical Examiner's office, but Humphreys did not indicate

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Speaker 1: What we do know is the case which has been

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Speaker 1: now going back to Fremont County. He were hearing our

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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: seemingly a nonsensical situation. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor

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Speaker 1: Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com, renowned psychiatrist joining

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Speaker 1: on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaison's Death investigator Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Eric grossarthright, reporter with the East Idaho News

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Speaker 1: dot com. He's been on the case in the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: A special guest joining me right now, a very dear

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Speaker 1: friend of Tammy Daybal's author, podcaster of the Julie row Show,

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Speaker 1: and you can find her at Julie Rowe Prepare dot com.

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Speaker 1: Julie Rowe, what was your reaction when you heard that

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Speaker 1: Tammy Daybal's autopsy was complete. We've been waiting a long time,

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Speaker 1: be convicted of murder. I have said, I've probably done

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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell and Laurie Valo have both pled not

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Speaker 1: That's just quite the coincidence, isn't it, Julie, Yes, And

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Speaker 1: what took so long with the autopsy and what, if

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Speaker 1: Eric gros Arth, East Idaho News dot Com. But when

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Speaker 1: who were there with her, went back to family breakfast,

429
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Speaker 1: came back, and that's when they discovered that the funeral

430
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: had already been planned. She asked the kids if they

431
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: had taken part in planning out while she was gone,

432
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: and they said no, her dad had just already taken

433
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: care of it. It's my understanding that at some point

434
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: before Tammy died, Chad Daybill had stated that Tammy was

435
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: getting into way of his ultimate plan, his purpose in life.

436
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: I believe so. I believe that's exactly what ched felt.

437
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: Did you go to the funeral? I did not. I

438
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: lived in the Kansas City area at the time, but

439
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: I was on business in Utah County. I was actually

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00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: staying in a hotel in Provo, Utah, the night before

441
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: the funeral and the night of the funeral. So that

442
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: Monday night when they had the viewing in Springville and

443
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: I was told by my angels to go like nowhere

444
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: near the funeral. It was a real bristle for me

445
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: because I didn't understand why at the time, but I

446
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: was told to stay completely away. The next day was

447
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: the funeral in Springville. I could have gone and then

448
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: gotten on my flight. I even asked my angels if

449
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: I should stay and rebook my flight and go to

450
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: the Idaho funeral, and I was told no, go home.

451
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: I had a son coming home from an LBS church

452
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: mission from California. He'd been gone two years. They said,

453
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: go home and welcome your son home. It is best

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00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: you stay away. Have nothing to do with Chad and Maurie.

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00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: Guys with me. Very dear friend of Tammy Dayville, Julie Rowe,

456
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: author podcaster of the Julie wrote show, and you can

457
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Speaker 1: find her at Julie Rowe Prepare dot com. I want

458
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: to circle back now to Joseph Scott Morgan death investigator

459
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: has investigated well over well, I'll just say thousands, thousands

460
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: of homicide scenes and others just got Morgan. The hurdles

461
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: that have been placed before the medical examiner to determine

462
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: anything about the cause of Tammy's death are immense. Explain, yeah,

463
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: they are immense, Nancy, And you know from Jump Street,

464
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: the corner in this case up in Fremont County shot

465
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: the whole case in the foot. And let me tell

466
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: you why. My understanding is is that there was no

467
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: initial scene visit when Tammy was found to cease. Now,

468
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: this is in the wake of finding, as you stated,

469
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: a perfectly healthy woman and her children have said she's

470
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: got this frothy pink cone coming out of her mouth.

471
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: For some reason, the corner was not at the scene.

472
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: The body was deemed by the police officers, who are

473
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: completely unqualified to make this determination, at the scene that

474
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: everything quote unquote appeared natural. Her body was removed from

475
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: that location to the funeral home at that point, didn't

476
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: send the body off or an autopsy. It's only after

477
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: that point, at least allegedly, that the corner showed up

478
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: at the funeral home. And here is the rub Nancy.

479
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: This would have been first off, ideal circumstances. See the

480
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: body in context. You have to see the body at

481
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: the scene. That wasn't done, Okay, but at least draw toxicology,

482
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: draw blood, draw you'reine draw vitrious from the body at

483
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: the funeral home, Nancy. That wasn't done. So all of

484
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: that is gone at this point because in order to

485
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: transport a body across state lines, guess what you have

486
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: to do. You have to embalm the body. Well, I

487
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: think it would be very very significant to you, asked

488
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: you Willcott judge and trial lawyer Court TV anchor just

489
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: got his saying to see where the body was, but

490
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: condition it was in. We have heard nothing about blood

491
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: and foam coming out of her mouth, which is very

492
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: very significant. Yeah, you've lost a lot of evidence. I

493
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: completely agree with just Morgan. And the reality is if

494
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: you know this well, if you're an attorney and you're

495
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: trying to prosecute this case, that evidence is gone. You

496
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: can knock get it back. He disclosed he being Chad

497
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: married to her at the time that she was just

498
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: coughing and then they went to sleep, So he's certainly

499
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: not going to say oh there was blood foam. So

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Speaker 1: the other part of this is now it's limited in

501
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: terms of what it can show in the body. There

502
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: is limited evidence. Although it's good they did the autopsy,

503
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: limited evidence that they can possibly glean from that autopsy. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: One other thing I just have to say, that's interesting

505
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: to me that was immediately the autopsy was immediately turned

506
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Speaker 1: over to the Fremont County Sheriff's office. My question is

507
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: is that the typical way that it's done or is

508
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: this unusual that they handed it over to the sheriff

509
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 1: in this case? Well, as a matter of fact, there

510
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: was a lot of confusion surrounding that as well. Take

511
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: a listen to our friends Garna Maha a k SLTV News.

512
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: She smiled non stop. She was out to do her

513
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: very best. And then some friends and co workers see

514
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Tammy Devil was loved by everyone at Central Elementary School,

515
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: where she worked as a librarian. She was the most

516
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: amazing person ever. You only meet somebody like her once

517
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: in a lifetime. Mandy says her forty nine year old

518
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: friend was full of life, loved gardening, serving others, and

519
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: somehow even may time to train for a marathon. And

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00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: now from k SLTV News Garna Mahea. The Fremont County

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00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: Corner ruled her death of natural causes. According to her obituary,

522
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: I actually went over to their house the morning Tammy

523
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: died and Chad he didn't seem to have any emotion.

524
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: It was very odd. Tammy was buried here in Springville, Utah,

525
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: where she and Chad grew up. Sergeant Spencer Cannon shares

526
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: that under Utah law, a case like Tammy's would have

527
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: been referred to the State Medical Examiner's office, as the

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00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: state coach says, sudden death while in apparent good health

529
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Speaker 1: is something that is automatically a case that is seen

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Speaker 1: by the medical examiner. In Utah, Cannon spent eight years

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Speaker 1: as an investigator for the medical Examiner. He says, family

532
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: members don't get a stay on whether an autopsy is performed.

533
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: We try to let him down easy, but we tell him,

534
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, state law prevails here and for the good

535
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: of everybody, it has to. But in Idaho there isn't

536
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 1: a state examiner. How can that be that there's not

537
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: a state examiner? Or take a listen to our friend

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00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: Spencer Blake at Phoenix three TV. Not long after Tammy

539
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: Davell died in her home in Salem, Idaho, in mid October,

540
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: the Fremont County Sheriff's Office received a call from a

541
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Speaker 1: detective in Arizona going to be a Tamera day Bell. Oh. Yes,

542
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I was the one that actually took that call. So

543
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: why from Arizona wanted to know us? Crazy? Yeah? Isn't

544
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: it funny how everything ties together? We just have some

545
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: cases down here that that got our attention with this

546
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: day Belle. The cases he's talking about could include the

547
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: attempted shooting of a relative of Laurie Valo day Belle

548
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: in Gilbert in October, or the July shooting death of

549
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: Laurie's late husband, Charles Valo in Chandler. Laurie married Tammy's husband,

550
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: Chad day Bell, less than two weeks after Tammy died.

551
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: At the time, the Sheriff's office investigated and said they

552
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: found nothing suspicious. The coroner ruled the death was due

553
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: to natural causes. The dispatcher explains to the Arizona detective,

554
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the coroner who didn't want to press

555
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: the investigation any further. It was not. It was the

556
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: family as well. Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. In the

557
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: last hours, we have learned the autopsy report of Tammy

558
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Day Bell is complete but kept under wraps. To you,

559
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, I've never heard of that. Why are

560
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: they keeping the results of the autopsy secret? I can

561
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: tell you precisely why they're doing it, Because this is

562
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: an ongoing criminal investigation. They have information that they do

563
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: not want to disclose as of yet that is going

564
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: to be It's going to bear a tremendous amount of

565
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: weight as this case moves forward. I suspect that something

566
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: has been found. They've had enough time to study this,

567
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: so they're having to put all of this in context.

568
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, Nancy, this is not the Fremont

569
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: County corner that is in control of these results at

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00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: this point in tom It's now as was were mentioned,

571
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: it's now in the hands of the Utah State Medical Examiner,

572
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: who has turned it directly over to the SHAFF So

573
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: the people in Fremont, as far as the corner goes,

574
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: they're not going to have any contro roll over this.

575
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: This is a ruling of finding from the scientific community.

576
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: This isn't just randomly saying and this case is absolutely

577
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: makes me furious as a death investigator. This isn't just

578
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: somebody randomly say oh, well, you know it was just

579
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: a natural death or whatn't that hell do you mean

580
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: by natural death? Prove to me that this is a

581
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: natural death. Tell me, does she have any kind of

582
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 1: heart ailments? Did she have cancer? No one has said

583
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: anything like that, So scientifically, where are you basing that

584
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 1: initial response on. Well, I can tell you the people

585
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: in Utah have found something. I don't know what it is,

586
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: but they're playing it close to the best and they're

587
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: putting this into the hands of the prosecutor up in Fremont. Kenny, Guys,

588
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: we're trying to determine why Tammy day Pell's autopsy is

589
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: being kept a secret. This is one of the problems

590
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: that the medical examiner was facing at the time. Did

591
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: I hear correctly you, jess Got Morgan that they don't

592
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: have a medical examiner in that jurisdiction. No, up up

593
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: in Utah. I'm sorry forgive me up in Idaho, those

594
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: are county corners that you have. Now they have a

595
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: in Boise. They do have very highly competent medical examiner

596
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: who does autopsies and they will bring in from these

597
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: smaller counties, which is actually what normally happens, Okay, But

598
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: they didn't refer her body to Boise to be autopsy there.

599
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: They just released her body. So in Utah, for I

600
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: mean Nancy for decades, the state of Utah did away

601
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: with corners a long long time ago. So they have

602
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: a state wide medical examiner system there. That's so in

603
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: Utah you go before your body if there's cause for

604
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: an autopsy, goes to a medical examiner, which is an MD.

605
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Not so in Idaho where she dot guys, take a

606
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: listen to our cut number four KSLTV News investigative reporter

607
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Brittany Glass. Her body was oomed on the morning of

608
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: December eleven. We did it as confidential as we could

609
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: that our parks workers ended up here on a Wednesday

610
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 1: morning at six o'clock, lights on their traptors. Loved ones

611
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: were not in attendance at her grave site like they

612
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: were just five months before at her funeral. But as

613
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: Rod Oldroyd with the City of Springville explains, multiple witnesses

614
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: were county attorneys, a sheriff from Idaho, sheriff from Utah, coroners,

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Speaker 1: corners assistants. Tammy's body was taken to the Utah State

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Speaker 1: Office of the Medical Examiner for an autopsy. To this day,

617
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: if I thought of Tammy day Bell, it would be

618
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: that she's smiling and she's happy. By two thirty that afternoon,

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Speaker 1: just eight hours later, Tammy's body was returned, once again

620
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: underground in small town Springville, back where so much of

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00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: the couple's story began. Sorry for me to imagine her

622
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: with blood and fun coming out of her mouth and

623
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: then smiling and the hereafter, But what exactly would have

624
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: been the training of someone in that jurisdiction? Take a

625
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: listen to our cut Twenty six ksl TV County coroners

626
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: serve four year term elected positions and are only required

627
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: to attend a coroner school and complete twenty four hours

628
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: of additional training every two years according to state statute.

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Speaker 1: In rural communities like Fremont County, this is a part

630
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: time job and resources are limited. For example, Fremont County,

631
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Speaker 1: where Tammy died, has a budget of just over thirty

632
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars, including the corner salary. Neighboring Madison County

633
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Speaker 1: listened about twenty thousand dollars for their budget. In comparison,

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00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: Ada County, where Boise is located, has a budget of

635
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: just over three million dollars. So to you, actually, Wilcott,

636
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: we can't really blame the county coroner because all they

637
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: have to do is go to corner school and have

638
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of training every two years. There's nothing

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00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: to suggest it even if they thought me need an autopsy,

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00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: that the county corner could have done it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: agree with you, and you know this is an issue.

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Speaker 1: It just Scott and I have talked about this all

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Speaker 1: over the nation in different jurisdictions. George is not that

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Speaker 1: different in terms of sometimes the structure and the county

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00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: versus and the lack of training. It all boils down

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Speaker 1: to that and it creates an issue when you need

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Speaker 1: an autopy like this, Nancy, I gotta say, do you

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Speaker 1: have This is a question I would ask, do you

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Speaker 1: have a set of car keys, do you have full

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00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: tank of gas? Do you have pair rubber gloves? Get

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00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: in your car and go to the scene. It don't

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00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: cost a lot and at least examine the body in

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Speaker 1: the bedroom. It's not a matter of cost or even

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00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, and people can say, well they only get

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Speaker 1: this this brief corner school I'm talking about. You've been

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Speaker 1: elected to do a position, Go and do your job.

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Speaker 1: That's what it comes down to. If you've got something

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00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: more important to do, then deal with death in your county.

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Speaker 1: There's a major problem. Go to the scene the body.

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Speaker 1: What difference would it make whether the body had been autopsied,

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Speaker 1: which it wasn't, but it had been embalmed before it

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Speaker 1: had been autopsied. Past I'm going to keep this very brief,

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Speaker 1: all right, and embalming, and I'm sorry for being so

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Speaker 1: graphic and embalming. You're pushing through embalming fluid into the body.

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Speaker 1: You're pushing out all of the body fluids, anything that's

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Speaker 1: going to tell you anything about the body in the

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Speaker 1: immediate there's no blood, there's no urine, and it's all

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Speaker 1: been compromised. And when you see an embalmed body, and

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Speaker 1: I've been involved in a lot of exhimations, the organs themselves,

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Speaker 1: once you take them out, feel about the consistency of

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Speaker 1: a fully inflated or overinflated basketball. They're very firm, Okay,

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Speaker 1: because they're hard, you have the substance in there. In

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Speaker 1: her case, Nancy, with this pink froth. I can't get

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Speaker 1: away from this. She's experiencing some kind of respiratory congestive event. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of the things that can lead to

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Speaker 1: that con justestive heart failure, but you can also have

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00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: drug anomalies that come along as well, if something that's

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Speaker 1: been a minister to somebody, Okay, over a period of time.

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Speaker 1: Now you can't go back and look for the drugs.

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Speaker 1: All you can look for. I think the answer to

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Speaker 1: this case is probably going to rest in her lungs.

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Speaker 1: The question is if they sampled her lungs at the

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Speaker 1: exhimation autopsy, Okay, that they did, is there going to

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Speaker 1: be anything visible under the microscope that's going to give

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Speaker 1: them an indication that she was in some kind of

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Speaker 1: respiratory stress. That's even that's going to be compromised as

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00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: well too, because it's not gonna look like it would

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00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: in a freshly passed away body. Okay, what about her

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Speaker 1: skin and her hair and her nails. Can anything they

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00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: determined from them? Yeah? Yeah, there is, Nancy. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things that you know that we think about,

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Speaker 1: and I know where you're going with this. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that we look about is heavy metal poisoning. Okay,

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00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: people that are exposed to things like arsenic lead, that

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00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: sort of thing. You can see changes in there. But

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Speaker 1: that's all you're gonna be able to find. Because when

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Speaker 1: what's it called, what it's called is profusion. When this

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00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: profusion takes place with a tremendous amount of force that

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00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: they're pumping this embalming fluid in, it flushes everything, it

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Speaker 1: gets into these little tiny spaces, and it preserves the body. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I've done exhamations. I have done exhlamations where people were

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Speaker 1: buried twenty years ago and their bodies look like they

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Speaker 1: just first put them in the ground. And that has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with some kind of overall spiritual apparition

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. That means that their body is

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Speaker 1: preserved by chemicals that ain't natural. Okay, So by doing that,

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00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: you freeze the body in time, but you just freeze

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Speaker 1: the shell that's remaining. You flushed everything. There's a value

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Speaker 1: of a way essentially to actually Will Cotton judge and

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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, can you think of a tactical reason, a

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Speaker 1: trial strategy reason the state is not releasing the autopsy

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Speaker 1: report absolutely, because think about it, if it's not being

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Speaker 1: really least than Chad day Bell and Tammy Valo. Day

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Speaker 1: Bell do not know what those out tops two results are,

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Speaker 1: and so it's not just let's not release it to

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Speaker 1: the public, so everybody knows. They're still investigating Nancy and

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Speaker 1: who knows what information in there they may be able

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Speaker 1: to use to speak with the two defendants or speak

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Speaker 1: to witnesses to get more additional different information. So they

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Speaker 1: still need to get That's the only reason I can

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Speaker 1: think of. Again, let me reiterate, Chad day Bell and

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Speaker 1: cult My Laurie Valo have not been charged in the

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Speaker 1: death of Tammy day Bell, and they have pled not

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Speaker 1: guilty to all charges relating to the murders of Valo's

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Speaker 1: children JJ entirely we wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: crime story, signing off goodbye friend,