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Speaker 1: Taylor, Folks, got a question for you on this episode today.

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Speaker 1: Are you team Taylor? Are you team Whitney? And if

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Speaker 1: you don't know what I'm talking about right now, you

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Speaker 1: are out of the loop or under a rock. Kayler, Folks,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. Sitting

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Speaker 1: next to me, Robes, we have talked to several people

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Speaker 1: the last couple of days we said we are interviewing

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Speaker 1: the women from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. What

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Speaker 1: has been the reaction we've gotten from everybody in niversal?

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Speaker 1: My gosh, I'm obsessed.

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Speaker 2: And you know this show has been out not even

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Speaker 2: for a full week, correct, and it's already it's number

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Speaker 2: one on Hulu.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's talking about it.

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Speaker 2: I was excited to have a reason for research purposes

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Speaker 2: to have to watch the show, and that's all I've

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Speaker 2: been doing for us.

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Speaker 1: In all seriousness, were you really trying to find a

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Speaker 1: way to make an excuse for why you needed to

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Speaker 1: watch it because you felt like I should I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be watching that type.

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Speaker 3: Of smart You know, the answer is absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I watched ninety Beyonce Married at First Sight, Love Island,

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Speaker 2: Love is Blind, full disclosure.

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Speaker 3: I love some reality.

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Speaker 1: So let's be honest, full disclosure here. I watch plenty

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Speaker 1: of those with you. This one is different for a

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Speaker 1: very specific reason that we'll get into. But right now

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Speaker 1: we need to welcome into the studio folks. They are

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Speaker 1: sitting right here in front of us, two ladies who

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Speaker 1: are looking for tickets to the Book of Mormons. If

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Speaker 1: you have this long broadway they would appreciate. With Taylor Freaky,

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Speaker 1: Paul Macy Neely, Welcome, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to guys.

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Speaker 4: You guys are entertaining to listen to.

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Speaker 5: I love your voices.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: You're the news background.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yes, decades of training.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so okay, with that background, you know we're journalists.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get right to it. So tell us

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Speaker 1: season two. Is it confirmed? Is it happening?

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Speaker 5: It's not confirmed, but I have a feeling.

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Speaker 4: We hope, yeah, but we don't know anything.

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Speaker 3: Do you know when you'll know? Have they given you

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Speaker 4: If I think, if it's happening, it'll be here very soon,

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Speaker 4: I think, But I guess. I guess we're not the

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Speaker 1: Hell, well, this thing is getting renewed. Is there anybody

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Speaker 1: show a hands in the room who thinks this is not?

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Speaker 1: Of course is getting renewed, but it's a congratulations. Any question?

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Speaker 1: What has life looked like since? And again it's only

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Speaker 3: Six days or something? It's like four, Oh yeah, well

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Speaker 3: what was it?

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Speaker 5: Friday? Came out Friday?

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Speaker 1: Wow, as we sit here, you're only a few days in.

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Speaker 1: How has life changed even in the matter of days

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Speaker 4: Hasn't hit us?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it like hasn't hit us yet.

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Speaker 6: I think that what's changed, just like all the comments

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think going places too, I don't

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Speaker 3: Have you all watched the episodes back I have?

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Speaker 4: No, I get it. It came out Friday I spent so

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Speaker 4: So I was like, I'm not going to sit and

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Speaker 4: I know, people don't blame me, like you definitely have

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Speaker 5: It it is? I mean it's pretty good.

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Speaker 6: I think it's hard when you watch yourself in it,

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Speaker 6: I was like, this almost seems like a highlight reel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious. I don't know how much people want

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Speaker 3: You've got girl groups. I was talking to TJ about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, it gets messy and it gets difficult sometimes

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Speaker 2: we have all these different personalities. But I know that

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Speaker 2: there were problems going into the show based on what happened,

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Speaker 2: And we'll get into the backstory of this. But did

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Speaker 3: Did this destroy friendships doing the show?

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Speaker 6: I should say like some of us got closer and

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Speaker 1: For sure, Why are you giggling? You? You immediately reacted

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Speaker 4: So it's funny, like it's just the people you don't think.

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Speaker 4: And so I feel like I was saying this earlier,

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Speaker 3: Is it true that everyone has unfollowed Whitney.

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Speaker 1: Have you all reached out? Have you all tried? Is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm here for you no matter what.

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Speaker 6: I mean I reached out to her and she han't respond,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean towards the end, like kind of can

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Speaker 5: Like how hard is it to get along? Like I

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Speaker 3: Apparently it's really hard.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I understand because like you have eight strong,

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Speaker 1: And please know when I asked, we're only three episodes in.

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Speaker 1: which one is Macy's Again, she said she's Switzerland. That's

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Speaker 1: episode four, by the way, but she suggested that that

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Speaker 6: they had to post something, you know, but like everyone

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00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,360
Speaker 6: was just chudging a book by its cover, like when

440
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,800
Speaker 6: you watch the show, like it's not like a documentary

441
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,639
Speaker 6: on like Mormons, right, Like it's not like that. And

442
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,480
Speaker 6: so I think, yeah, like people were just judging a

443
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Speaker 6: book by its cover and no one's reached out to me.

444
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Speaker 6: Actually someone reached out because I wasn't at church on Sunday,

445
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Speaker 6: Like this doesn't make sure you're doing okay. Like I

446
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 6: thought it was because of the show that I wasn't coming,

447
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,160
Speaker 6: But I was just like kind of sex. I was like, no,

448
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 6: that's not the problem. I'm like, I'm good, I'm coming.

449
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 6: I don't care what you say.

450
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, That's what I alluded to at the top

451
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Speaker 1: of why this show was different. There are plenty of

452
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,119
Speaker 1: the housewives and reality this and that that put people together,

453
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,639
Speaker 1: and you know what you're going to expect, you're going

454
00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:20,920
Speaker 1: to They're going to put them together. They're going to

455
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 1: take a trip, they're going to put some alcohol, they're

456
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 1: going to go to lunch, and it's going to be

457
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Speaker 1: an explosion. The thing about this story this that's different,

458
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,359
Speaker 1: and there is some of that minus the alcohol. I

459
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Speaker 1: suppose there's some alcohol. There as some alcohol.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that causes some of the problems, just the fact

461
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Speaker 2: that they're being there are there is alcohol there, But it.

462
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Speaker 1: Makes I'm curious about how the Mormon faith plays into

463
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Speaker 1: your life. I have a curiosity sitting on the edge

464
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Speaker 1: of my seat watching you all, not because I want

465
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Speaker 1: to see a fight, but because I'm curious of how

466
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 1: you incorporate your day and day, your relationships, your your marriages,

467
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,679
Speaker 1: your kids, how that blends with your Mormon faith. And

468
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Speaker 1: so my question, I guess, do you find it good

469
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,440
Speaker 1: and bad? You're showing a side of the Mormon faith

470
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 1: that people didn't say, Oh, they're normal just like me. Yeah,

471
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 1: that's a good thing.

472
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

473
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Speaker 1: But on the other side of that is they're showing

474
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Speaker 1: the Mormon faith and go, oh, that's how they are.

475
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: So it seems like it's a double sided coin.

476
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

477
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Speaker 6: I think for me, I love that we could all

478
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Speaker 6: show like where we're at, because I'm like, I want

479
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 6: other people, especially people who are making Mormon or maybe

480
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 6: don't feel like they're enough because they're not following the

481
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Speaker 6: rules or the guielms to a tea. I want them

482
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Speaker 6: to build the watch and relate and be like, oh,

483
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Speaker 6: so like I don't I can swear and be Mormon. Oh,

484
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Speaker 6: like I don't have I could do a coffee and

485
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 6: still go to church and be Mormon. Like that's I

486
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 6: think what we wanted out of it. Is like no

487
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,640
Speaker 6: one's perfect and people are still doing things, but they're

488
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 6: not like they're not omen like us admitting it and

489
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Speaker 6: so like, and I think there's like we just want

490
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 6: to get rid of that guilt and shame feeling for

491
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 6: people who maybe feel like us and like I was.

492
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Speaker 6: I say this so many times where people are gonna

493
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Speaker 6: say it's like my whole personality. But I'm from California,

494
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Speaker 6: and California culture with Mormons is different. Like I grew up,

495
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 6: I feel fairly normal, like none of my friends are

496
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Speaker 6: really Mormon, like, so I feel like I have a

497
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 6: different perspective in general. I'm like, this is how Mormons are,

498
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,479
Speaker 6: it's like how I am. But in Utah, the culture

499
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 6: is different, for sure, and I think it's a little

500
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Speaker 6: more I want to say judgmental, but it's a little

501
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 6: more to the book, like everyone's mostly following the guidelines

502
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 6: to a tee and it's not like that like everywhere else.

503
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 6: I feel like mostly Utah, So I think it's shedding

504
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Speaker 6: light on like relatability.

505
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Speaker 2: I've been to Utah. It is very different than the

506
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Speaker 2: rest of the country.

507
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Speaker 3: It certainly is.

508
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Speaker 2: I'm curious you said Taylor that in Utah people recognize

509
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 2: you and now you're going to probably have a very

510
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: different experience as you venture out. But how have you

511
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 2: been treated? Like do you see the sneers in the

512
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: eye rolls? Do people say things to you based on

513
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: just the even the TikTok situation?

514
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Speaker 3: What has your life been Like?

515
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's been overall in person, everyone

516
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 4: is great, And I think when everything originally came out

517
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 4: on TikTok, I had a like in Target, a girl

518
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: was like, just so you know, like I got you,

519
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 4: we have your back, we support you. And it was

520
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 4: like a random strang journal I was like, thank you.

521
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 4: Like a church, a girl came up to me after swinging.

522
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 4: Things just came up. She's like, I'm just glad you're

523
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 4: here today, and that's when she came. It was just

524
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 4: like things like that. But now we were at the

525
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 4: airport and a girl was like, oh, we were all

526
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 4: dressed and the same and it was the cast and

527
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 4: she was like like, what's going on? You know when

528
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Speaker 4: we were talking her, were like talking about the show

529
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 4: and she was like, oh yeah, none of that. Like

530
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 4: you could just tell she was a Mormon and like

531
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Speaker 4: heard about the show and already was just like none

532
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 4: of that. And then all of us were like just

533
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Speaker 4: like kind of shocked by her reaction, and like to me,

534
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 4: she was like, we all lived differently, we all make

535
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 4: mistakes and that's okay. Like was very like firm back

536
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 4: to her, and she's like, you know what, I apologize.

537
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 4: You're right, Like I think just like hearing it, and

538
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 4: she was like she hurt herself, like, oh, I'm sorry,

539
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 4: I apologize, And so that was kind of cool to

540
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 4: witness that conversation in But I haven't noticed it other

541
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 4: than that, but I'm sure we'll get it now, especially

542
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 4: because she hadn't seen the show right, and they're they're

543
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 4: going off just the title and the trailer and they're like,

544
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 4: that is not us.

545
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Speaker 6: And they usually don't say it to your face, they

546
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 6: say it behind your back.

547
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Speaker 5: I wasn't there for that. I'm dang, I'm mad I

548
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 5: missed that. Taylor.

549
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Speaker 3: I have another question for you. This is just my curiosity.

550
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 2: How do a group of Mormon couples even start a

551
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: conversation or even entertain the idea of this soft swinging?

552
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Speaker 3: Like where does that come in? Does someone bring it up?

553
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 3: Is it?

554
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Speaker 2: Like? I'm just curious how something that like that begins

555
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: in that group set it.

556
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Speaker 4: I think it was curiosity for everybody. So I've talked

557
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 4: about it before. They didn't do what you normal people

558
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 4: do in their college fun years, right, they got married

559
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 4: and for their first everyone was each other's first, right

560
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 4: like in most of them. Me I won't speak for

561
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 4: myself in that situation, and I also did party my

562
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: younger years, so I had experienced that type of life.

563
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 4: For them, I think it was all new. And even

564
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: for my ex, his first time drinking was twenty eight

565
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: years old, twenty nine, and so I feel like it

566
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: was like this thing that we like started to drink

567
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 4: and that was fun and it was cool, and then

568
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 4: it was like and then it just another step was

569
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 4: the boys like girls should kiss, and I did that

570
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 4: in my young year, so I was like, okay, like whatever,

571
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 4: let's kiss, let's be. It was just like dumb stuff,

572
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 4: like high school stuff. And then it was like, let's

573
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 4: play spin the bottle, and it progresses. It's all basically

574
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Speaker 4: games you play in high school and college that they

575
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 4: didn't experience with other people, and so it led from yeah,

576
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 4: that and then it was everyone's blindfolding each other, making

577
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 4: out with everyone and then touching everyone, and it was

578
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 4: just like love Island games.

579
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Speaker 2: Honestly, oh, yes, we're familiar, but it's like all that

580
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: maybe even I don't want to put words, but like

581
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: all that repression maybe or you can't or you shouldn't

582
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: or don't. So you end up having like teenage years

583
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Speaker 2: in your late twenties.

584
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Speaker 4: And it was fun because we had been married for

585
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Speaker 4: like six world. Oh I'd been married only six years,

586
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 4: and so it's like you're kind of at that time

587
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 4: of like just like little bored. I would say, like

588
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 4: I hate to admit it, but bored. And so it

589
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 4: was like spicing things up. And the guy saw they're like,

590
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 4: this is spicing up our wives, Like hell yeah, And

591
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: so it was never with like ill intention. It was

592
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 4: more just like, it's fun, my spouse is right here.

593
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 4: We're not doing anything wrong, like we were on the

594
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 4: same page. It didn't feel bad in the moment. You

595
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: look at it now and it's like it's ruined all

596
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 4: of our lives. Everyone's divorced, the kids are going back

597
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 4: and forth to houses. It's like ruined our lives, you know.

598
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 4: But at the time it wasn't. We didn't feel bad,

599
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 4: and so it was never a conversation. It just like happened.

600
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Speaker 6: It's funny because when I heard about it, I was like,

601
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 6: this is something you do in college. It's like this

602
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 6: is a college exploratory phase, Like why are we doing

603
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 6: Like why were we doing this? As like married adults,

604
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 6: I mean, each to their own. But when I first

605
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 6: heard it, like this sounds like something you do in college,

606
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 6: like when you're like get doing your little why And

607
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 6: when I.

608
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 4: Hear some of the people involved talk about it, they're like, yeah,

609
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 4: we were just kids. Like we're all thirty almost thirty

610
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 4: year olds old, we're not kids, like what.

611
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: They're kids in terms of experience a lot? Right, yes,

612
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: but this was but this was a one off. This

613
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: was a one This wasn't like a lifestyle you will,

614
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: I use that in air quotes, but this isn't something

615
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: that continues. It was the one off experimental.

616
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't even use the word swinger. I mean

617
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 4: I feel like I did, but like going back, I

618
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 4: said soft swinging and that wasn't even my term I

619
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 4: made up.

620
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:26,479
Speaker 1: Okay, I soft swinging is that clearly defined that everybody understands.

621
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 4: To be a full on swinger. Ever, it was soft swinging,

622
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: and someone told me that what we're doing with soft swinging?

623
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so I.

624
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: Said, And how long did it go on before it

625
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: started to unravel?

626
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: Folks?

627
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 4: A year with a couple and then with the other

628
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 4: couples involved. I feel like it all blew up within

629
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 4: two months.

630
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Speaker 1: I didn't know. Again, I haven't done a deep enough dive,

631
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: have you that to hear the relationships and marriages were impacted,

632
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: all of them.

633
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 4: Everyone was divorced.

634
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: By it being revealed or just by it happening.

635
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 4: I think all of it. Yeah, like it happening and

636
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 4: the fairs involved and issues, Yeah, I would call it

637
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: just we opened our relationship up and it went bad.

638
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even call us I mean swingers at this point, Like, yes,

639
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: that's what we're known for, But like I would say,

640
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: it was just an experienced, like open relationship.

641
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: What do you want to be known for now?

642
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: And as this is, we're all now consuming this season

643
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: and hopefully there'll be a second season. What do you

644
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: all hope comes from this? And what do you want

645
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: from putting this all out there?

646
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to say.

647
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 6: I think, like, well, the goal with the show I

648
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 6: think for us is like relatability. We want people to

649
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 6: relate and to be inspired maybe from like we all

650
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 6: have very interesting backstories, and you don't see that all

651
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 6: in the season one, So we're hoping with like future

652
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 6: seasons you can see how we really are where we

653
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 6: came from deep down. And I think that everyone even

654
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 6: more so can relate to us because we all have

655
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 6: interesting stories. So I think that's the goal and the

656
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Speaker 6: hope is that we can share more of our lives

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Speaker 6: and hopefully impact people and you know, further our careers

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Speaker 6: of course, Like why would you do being a reality

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Speaker 6: show if you like didn't want to further your career.

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Speaker 5: I guess yeah.

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Speaker 4: For me, I feel like, yeah, it was a big

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Speaker 4: It was an opportunity to obviously tell my story rather

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Speaker 4: than my headline. Yes, that is something I did. That's

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Speaker 4: not something I want to be known for, Like I

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Speaker 4: don't want that headline. It was a mistake, a lesson learned,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like this was my opportunity to come

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Speaker 4: tell my story and that's not me anymore. Like I

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Speaker 4: feel like I've grown from that. I don't want ever

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Speaker 4: that in my life again. And yeah, this was a

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Speaker 4: chance to just like and also show rock bottom like

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Speaker 4: I went through another year of shy stuff and that

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Speaker 4: you can come out of it. And it's like we've

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Speaker 4: all hit a low spot and I feel like you

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Speaker 4: can either choose one way to go dig yourself deeper

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Speaker 4: and come out of it, you know, so just gave me.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I and everyone, no matter who you think you are

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Speaker 2: or where you are in life or everyone, gets to

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Speaker 2: a point where you hit that moment and then you

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Speaker 2: get the empathy and you get the wisdom, yes, and

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Speaker 2: you learn how to make things better.

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Speaker 3: And that's how we go through it. So we appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been entertaining, but I do think there

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Speaker 2: are lessons in there, and this is real stuff that

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Speaker 2: people don't talk about, and you guys are showing us.

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Speaker 3: So we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We can't say it enough. Look, we've been through our

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Speaker 1: own types of hell, but it causes us to see

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Speaker 1: a show, even as entertaining and as trashy as some

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Speaker 1: I might try to describe it as we saw you

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Speaker 1: all as human beings first, and to see you all

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Speaker 1: sitting in this room, now, that is the first thing

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Speaker 1: we see. We don't see characters on a show. You

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Speaker 1: all are just two human beings who made mistakes like

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Speaker 1: everybody else. And I have my eleven year old at

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Speaker 1: lunch at middle school right now. I told her you

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Speaker 1: all had arrived. She said, send me a pick starts.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying, I'm saying this being doesn't come here.

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Speaker 1: She's not that interested. But I'm saying the impact you

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Speaker 1: all are having, for even that kid, and for us

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people, the impact you all are

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Speaker 1: having is enormous. What it ultimately ends up being, who knows,

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Speaker 1: but it's still we love to see a human story

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Speaker 1: and a comeback story and real, y, real folks. So

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Speaker 1: we're saying that from the bottom of our hearts.

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Speaker 4: And it was honored to be on like especially you

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Speaker 4: guys have been through your own stuff and you can

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Speaker 4: maybe relate in a sense of like we can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we can.

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Speaker 2: We know what it's like to be vilified and relate

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Speaker 2: to the swinging stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, I mean that's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yes, being being the villain in anyone's story is a

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Speaker 2: really tough place to be, but it makes you better

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Speaker 2: and it makes you stronger in the end. So congratulations

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Speaker 2: on the wild success that you are experiencing.

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Speaker 3: And we hope for reconciliation, you know, we we.

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Speaker 2: Hope Whitney comes back and we get more and we

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Speaker 2: we We're going to finish the season.

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Speaker 3: I might be done by tonight. Actually to thank

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Speaker 6: You all, thank you, thank you, thecation B, the int