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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: She is trapped inside a storage container, bound hands and feet,

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Speaker 2: abused by a Bible group flunky, and she lives to

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Speaker 2: tell the tale, and she joins us tonight. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Samantha was a well liked college student with a steady job,

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Speaker 3: close friends, and a future wide open until a chance

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Speaker 3: encounter on campus sets off a chilling chain of events.

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Speaker 2: Her life just starting friendly, outgoing, polite, and caring. She

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Speaker 2: befriended an awkward acquaintance. She'll probably never do that again.

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Speaker 4: First, I think he's just lonely for some reason, finds

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Speaker 4: me an approachable person to talk to, and then at

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Speaker 4: some point.

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Speaker 5: It changes.

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Speaker 1: That was from stalking Samantha.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen years of Terror streaming now on Hulu and Hulu

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Speaker 2: on Disney. Joining me right now, Samantha, Samantha stites, joining us, Samantha,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Samantha.

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Speaker 2: How difficult is it for you to talk about what

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Speaker 2: happened and relive it?

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Speaker 4: I think having significant therapy, you know, the last few years,

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Speaker 4: it's not as difficult as one might think. For me

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Speaker 4: to kind of discuss my experience at this point.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about you befriending the guy that turned out

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Speaker 2: to be your stalker. What led you to befriend him?

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Speaker 2: I would have done the same thing.

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Speaker 4: I think the word befriend is maybe a bit strong.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't ever say we were actual friends. I think

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Speaker 4: it was an acquaintance at best, and he was someone

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Speaker 4: I was, you know, friendly too. He was awkward, you know,

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Speaker 4: I introduced myself at this sort of group setting at

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Speaker 4: this Christian organization, and it kind of spiraled from there.

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Speaker 4: I mean he quickly became obsessed with me and stalked

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Speaker 4: me for years.

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Speaker 2: Also, you enter into a Christian Bible group thinking you

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Speaker 2: would make like minded people, like we all do when

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Speaker 2: we enter into like Sunday School or NYF that is

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Speaker 2: Youth Fellowship or you know, Family Night Suppers. Was there

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Speaker 2: a red flag at all?

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Speaker 4: Not initially. I mean, he was an awkward person. I

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Speaker 4: don't know that that in itself is a red flag.

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Speaker 4: There was nothing that really indicated to me that he

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Speaker 4: this coming, even when he began stalking me.

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Speaker 1: When you say he was awkward, what do you mean by.

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Speaker 4: That he had difficulty carrying on conversation in groups. He

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Speaker 4: would ask some basic questions, but he was just kind

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Speaker 4: eye contact. He'd sort of look down. He didn't really

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Speaker 2: M And that's just this kind of person that I

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Speaker 2: make them more comfortable and engaging. I guess I would

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Speaker 2: feel a little bit sorry for them, want to help

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Speaker 2: them out and include them guys. The next thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: Samantha finds a red rose on her car.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 3: One day after the group meeting, Samantha finds a rose

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Speaker 3: on her car. Christopher Thomas event tells Samantha he left

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Speaker 3: it for and asks her on a date. Samantha politely declined,

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Speaker 3: but Thomas continues to pursue her, frequently striking up text

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Speaker 3: echo no to date requests, eventually telling Thomas she is

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Speaker 4: He was following me to my work, following me to

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Speaker 4: my internship there at Frisbee Practice.

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Speaker 2: You're seeing clips from stalking Samantha, thirteen years of terror

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Speaker 2: on Hulu and Hulu Disney Plus. Tell me how it

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Speaker 2: escalated and all started with a single rose on your

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Speaker 4: I found a rose on my car after my internship

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Speaker 4: at Grand Valley State, and I thought it was odd.

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Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know many people who knew where

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Speaker 4: my internship was. I had just started that. I kind

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Speaker 4: of went on this quest to figure out who it was.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't figure out who it was for a few days.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was texting anyone in everyone I could

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Speaker 5: Where it was.

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Speaker 4: And I thought, that's really weird. That's not a normal

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, Samantha. So he tells you, to your face,

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Speaker 2: I followed you from your home to your internship.

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Speaker 1: What was that on the phone? Or did he tell

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Speaker 5: It was over the phone. We had this conversation.

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Speaker 1: What did you say what he told you? He followed you.

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Speaker 4: I, I don't know that I really said.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that.

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Speaker 5: I had a big reaction at the time.

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Speaker 4: I you know, inside, I was kind of thinking, Wow,

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Speaker 4: I'm not interested in you in that way. I you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of kept trying, and I ended up blocking him

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Speaker 2: How did he respond when you would tell him, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm not interested in you in that way.

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Speaker 1: It's not romantic, we're just friends. How would he react?

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Speaker 5: He kind of just would not and say you know sure,

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Speaker 4: Often this was kind of via some sort of messaging,

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Speaker 2: A lot of times I wouldn't even respond, so he

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Speaker 4: I mean it wasn't like he was asking me out NonStop.

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Speaker 4: I mean it would often be like, Hey, are you

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Speaker 4: he was thinking about in terms of faith or even

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Speaker 4: And this was even after I had blocked his number

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Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I mean he wasn't couldn't, wasn't able to

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Speaker 5: I blocked his phone number, and I.

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Speaker 4: Think he I think I maybe left that method of

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Speaker 4: think it must have been Facebook that was where most

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Speaker 2: I guess he thought persistence would be the key to

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Speaker 1: Well. The text messages continued.

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Speaker 6: Listen when he was not at work or sleeping, he

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Speaker 4: He was following me to my work, following me to

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Speaker 1: He was everywhere.

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Speaker 5: Don't talk to me, don't text me, don't show up

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Speaker 4: Lead me alone. This guy's stalking me.

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Speaker 7: Thomas continues incessant text messages, showing up at work, staying

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Speaker 4: He was following me. But at that point I was like,

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Speaker 4: I just want to graduate. I just want to get

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Speaker 4: I felt like it was just something I could deal

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Speaker 2: Own, that I'm stalking Samantha. Thirteen years of terror on Hulu.

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Speaker 2: Tell me where all Samantha. He would show up unsolicited.

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Speaker 4: At the beginning in college, it was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'd pass him in the hall headed to class, and

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Speaker 2: So where would he be at the grocery store, in

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Speaker 4: Toward that last summer before I was abducted, I was

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Speaker 1: Samantha, think about it.

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Speaker 2: How would he realize she's going to the grocery store,

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Speaker 1: That took a lot of planning.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, essentially, it seemed like he was everywhere

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Speaker 1: And where would he be at the gym?

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Speaker 5: He'd usually be like running on a treadmill.

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Speaker 1: So he would already be there.

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Speaker 4: It, I don't know, you know, I don't know how

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Speaker 4: he spent his time. Really, I'm not sure if he

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Speaker 4: sounded like he spent several hours at the gym from

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Speaker 4: what he told me when he abducted me. But I

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Speaker 4: mean I vary the times I would go slightly. I

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Speaker 4: I feel like I often saw him.

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Speaker 1: Then the stocking extends to her friends.

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Speaker 8: When Samantha learns Thomas's stalking has extended to her friends,

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Speaker 8: she seeks a restraining order. Three years after their first meeting,

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Speaker 8: the court approves her personal protection order and Thomas must

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Speaker 9: Six years later, Samantha's PPO is exped hiring and Thomas

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, when you say he started stalking your friends,

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Speaker 4: Telling me when he abducted me that he had trackers

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Speaker 2: You decided not to see another protection order for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 5: And I chose not.

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Speaker 4: To pursue that option because I thought, if they don't

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Speaker 1: What went through your mind?

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Speaker 2: You leave, you graduate, you leave, you start fresh somewhere else,

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Speaker 4: I first saw him at a soccer field. I was

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Speaker 5: And I had found that my ppo had expired like

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Speaker 1: And then a cold Friday morning.

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Speaker 2: Thomas guys joining us tonight, Samantha stides, tell me what

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Speaker 4: I knew my house well, Adolph to know that it

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Speaker 4: Suspecting who it was at this point, but I did

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Speaker 5: Then I decided not to reach for the hatchet.

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Speaker 5: What was going on, And at that point he.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 7: Thomas places a ballgag in Sam's mouth, then wraps duct

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Speaker 7: Thomas shows Samantha how he'd been tracking her on his

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Speaker 2: It's overwhelming to me the terror you must have felt

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Speaker 4: I mean, the moment he jumped on me and began

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Speaker 2: It's amazing to me that he man is to stay

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought if I had any chance to get

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Speaker 1: When did you realize you were in a storage container?

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Speaker 4: I didn't really know that until he told me. I

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Speaker 1: What did he say when he was chaining you to

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say he was apologetic. Initially I could tell

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a listen to Stalking Samantha.

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Speaker 8: If you change somebody into a wall, you have no boundaries.

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Speaker 1: He's going to do something violent. He's a monster.

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Speaker 4: This becomes a fight for my life.

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Speaker 5: It's just this ticking time bomb and we're all holding

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Speaker 8: Spite her intense fear, Samantha, a therapist and social worker,

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Speaker 8: Seeing the rings Thomas attached to the walls, Sam knows

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Speaker 2: The strength this woman has. You saw a clip of

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Speaker 2: You actually were trying to save your life by reasoning

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Speaker 1: How did you come up with that? Most people would

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Speaker 2: You saved your own life by bargaining with him. What

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Speaker 5: Survival?

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Speaker 2: Everybody, you are seeing the actual place where this beautiful

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Speaker 1: To the wall. It's just it's almost more than I

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Speaker 2: We run into people every day, Samantha that are awkward,

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Speaker 1: He would leave you in there, chained up and just

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Speaker 4: and drive my vehicle to like a local home improvement store,

445
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Speaker 4: so that my vehicle wasn't you know, if people went

446
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 4: looking for me, they wouldn't find my vehicle at home

447
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 4: or you know, at at the location where he had me.

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00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: It seems to me, Samant, that he dumped your car

449
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: in a Minard's parking lot to make it look like

450
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Speaker 2: maybe you had gone to Minards had been abducted from there.

451
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Speaker 1: He obviously put a lot of thought into this.

452
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that was probably the closest location that had

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Speaker 4: a decent sized parking lot.

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Speaker 5: You know, he had plans to, you know, if we

456
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Speaker 5: were supposed to be there for two weeks, like.

457
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Speaker 4: He had planned, he had planned to leave my car

458
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Speaker 4: out by Lake Michigan and have my pas board on

459
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 4: the beach somewhere and make it look like potentially I drown.

460
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 4: So I'm not sure, you know, other than having my

461
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 4: car at some basic parking lot nearby that he could

462
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 4: easily walk from there back to.

463
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Speaker 5: The storage unit.

464
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not sure, but that was the location that,

465
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 4: you know, after he had raped me, that when he

466
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 4: followed through with this promise to let me go, he

467
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 4: dropped me back off at my car at this parking.

468
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 2: Lot, locked in the bathroom, Samantha manages to make a call.

469
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Speaker 2: Most people would be devastated, but she manages to summon

470
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Speaker 2: up the strength and save herself Listen.

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Speaker 3: Still locked in her bathroom, Samantha manages to call a friend,

472
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Speaker 3: who takes her to a hospital and has police meet

473
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Speaker 3: them there. Nurses perform a rape kit and give Sam

474
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: precautionary STI medication. Thomas has arrested just hours later, while

475
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: officers search the storage unit and track down Sam's car.

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Speaker 6: I went right to the storage units. We didn't know

477
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 6: if he was hiding in the bunker. We didn't know

478
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 6: if there were booby traps or anything like that.

479
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: Christopher, if you're inside, let us know. I'm man have

480
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: my dog and find you and he will bite you.

481
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: Call out to us now, if you're inside.

482
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: From talking Samantha thirteen years of Terror on Hulu, what

483
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 2: went through your mind? What were you thinking when you

484
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: managed to make that phone call from inside the bathroom?

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Speaker 4: I mean I had a plan from you know, the

486
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: time I was in the bunker. If I were to

487
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: get out, I knew he had a tracker on my vehicle.

488
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 4: I couldn't just drive to the hospital. I couldn't go

489
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 4: to the police station for fear of.

490
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 5: Him following me. You know, I went.

491
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: I knew I couldn't call my roommate for help or

492
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 4: a close friend because he knew who they all were.

493
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Speaker 4: So I called a coworker who was also a neighbor

494
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 4: and a nurse, and I knew I needed to get

495
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: to the hospital to try to recover DNA from a

496
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: rape kit and hopefully put this person behind bars.

497
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: You know what, I have taken so many victims for

498
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: a rape kit. It's nothing anybody wants to endure. But

499
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: you speaking about that tonight can give other people the strength, Samantha, to.

500
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: Know they're not alone. They're not alone. Other women have.

501
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: Been through it as horrible as it is, and they

502
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: have survived. And you haven't just survived, you have conquered

503
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: so much. And by speaking out, I'm just so grateful

504
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: to you. And because of her, we land here.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 8: So we executed a search warrant in his house the

507
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 8: night that that Christopher was rested.

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00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 6: We're able to get a lot of good information from

509
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 6: his house. He didn't get rid of anything, really. We

510
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 6: found the sheets that were on the bed and sword

511
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 6: you in it. At his apartment we'd found the ballgag,

512
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 6: the duct tape that we believe he used to secure

513
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 6: the ballgag.

514
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: In her mouth, And of course he lies over and

515
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: over listened.

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Speaker 8: This man is not just obsessed with you, and he's dangerous.

517
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Speaker 6: I've never seen a stalking case as severe as this,

518
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 6: next level psycho.

519
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 5: This is like a horror film.

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00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 7: Stalking Samantha thirteen years of Terror. In an interrogation, Thomas

521
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 7: lies over and over. Thomas first claims he was hunting

522
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 7: when he kidnapped Sam. When officers tell Thomas they have

523
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 7: footage of him at the storage unit with Sam and

524
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 7: have been inside. Thomas then claims it was a role

525
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 7: play fantasy that he surprised Sam with, but he wasn't

526
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 7: happy about it. Thomas initially pleads not guilty, but his

527
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 7: trial approaches, Thomas takes a deal that drops the home

528
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 7: invasion and criminal sexual conduct charges.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 10: You're believe that you add in such a way as

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Speaker 10: to create severe mental pain on her partner. You believe

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Speaker 10: a reasonable person with supper sejurs and pain based on

533
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Speaker 10: of those actions.

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Speaker 2: Trauma was talking Samantha thirteen years of Tearror on Hulu

535
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: role playing. Did you hear him say you just were

536
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: surprised and you didn't like it?

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Speaker 5: He sure was right.

538
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: I sure was surprised by her, him coming into my

539
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: home and kidnapping me, and I did not like it.

540
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: But the I mean, that was just kind of a

541
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Speaker 4: you know, excuse he had, he had to tell the

542
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: police something that wasn't. Yes, I abducted her because I'm

543
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: stalking her and have been helplessly in love with her.

544
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not surprised, and I'm also disgusted at that,

545
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: you know, pitiful excuse.

546
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: When you see him, even as showing a clip of

547
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: him in court, what is your reaction.

548
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: Because he totally repulsed me.

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00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I when I tend to talk about

550
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: the situation or see or you know, see his face

551
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: or watch the videos, you know, I feel tense. I've

552
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 4: kind of come back to that, you know, time that

553
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: day with him.

554
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 5: You know, I feel sweaty and nervous.

555
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: Samantha, how has this whole thing affected you? I keep

556
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: talking about how strong and how brave you are, and

557
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: how you are.

558
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: Thinking your way out of this.

559
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: All of that is true, but then you're diagnosed with

560
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: post traumatic stress syndrome. I know it's got to affect you.

561
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I know the murder of my fiance has

562
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: affected the rest of my life and there's nothing I

563
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: can do about it except try to move forward as

564
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: best as I can. From my family, How has this

565
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: affected you and how do you move forward in life?

566
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think as you know, you know, your life

567
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 4: is never the same after something like that that you've

568
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: been through or that I've been through. You know, things

569
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 4: are always different and you have to make a new normal.

570
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: You know, you have to choose to move forward each day,

571
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: and you know, decide how you're going to look at

572
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: the bright side, how you're going to move on. In

573
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 4: some days, especially at the beginning, we're difficult. You know,

574
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: I was having trouble sleeping. I was scared by every

575
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 4: little noise. I felt like I was also afraid to

576
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: be alone. You know, all these things made it difficult

577
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: for me to go back to work where I had

578
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 4: to think on my feet and be empathetic with others

579
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 4: while I'm going through this like terrifying situation. I really

580
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 4: feel like therapy has helped me a lot in terms

581
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 4: of being able to talk about the situation and kind

582
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: of decrease that sort of stress response I have where

583
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 4: I'm able to sleep better at night and you know,

584
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Speaker 4: not feel startled by every little thing or the story

585
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: of like what's happened to me is, you know, something

586
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: I can move past. You know, as sad as it

587
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: is and as difficult as it's been, I feel very

588
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: thankful overall that I'm alive, very grateful that I was

589
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 4: able to get through that situation, because so many people,

590
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: so many women don't get that opportunity.

591
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: They die at the hands of their.

592
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 4: Stalker or abductor or rapist, and you know, never get

593
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 4: to tell their stories, never get the opportunity to recover,

594
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 4: and their loved ones never get to see them again.

595
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: You know, I feel like it gives me sort of

596
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 4: a different lease on life, knowing that I have survived something,

597
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 4: and I'm grateful for every day and want to help

598
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: prevent this from happening from anyone else.

599
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: And that's really why I'm.

600
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 4: Speaking out, you know, to give a voice to the

601
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: folks that have gone through this or victims that never

602
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 4: got the opportunity to tell their stories, and to encourage

603
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 4: those that you know, think they may be being stalked

604
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: or have been assaulted to report it and try to

605
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 4: seek justice.

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Speaker 2: Samantha, I don't know if anyone has told you this,

607
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: but you're amazing.

608
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: You're amazing. I've dealt with.

609
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: So many kidnap or stalking rape victims. They cannot or

610
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: will not testify. They don't have the strength.

611
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: They just.

612
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: It destroys their lives forever, and they can't find a way,

613
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: even difficult as it is, to move forward. I've had

614
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: people ask me how do you stay happy? You seem

615
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: happy all the time. It's a decision, and sometimes it's

616
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: a really hard decision about living that day and what

617
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: you're going to do that day, just this one day.

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00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: Could you offer advice to other people that are out

619
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Speaker 2: there suffering as you have suffered.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't imagine having gone through something like this

621
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 4: and having my stalker rapists still out there, you know.

622
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 4: I can't imagine trying to face each day not knowing

623
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: whether or not I'm safe. You know, I can take

624
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: comfort in that that he's behind bars now. I feel

625
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: like my one I don't know, piece of advice would

626
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 4: be to, you know, get help from therapists, from legal counsel,

627
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: you know, do what's right for you. There's not there's

628
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: not one single solution that's right for everyone. In some

629
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Speaker 4: situations that may not be possible or feasible to find,

630
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 4: you know, legal justice, but it's worth trying. It's worth

631
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 4: trying to feel safe every day and be able to

632
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 4: move on in such a way, and that you deserve

633
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: that as a victim. You deserve that as a human

634
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: when someone has wronged you. I feel like that's my

635
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Speaker 4: one piece of encouragement.

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Speaker 1: Guys. Joining us tonight is.

637
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Speaker 2: Samantha's Tides, who is navigating life after being kidnapped from

638
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Speaker 2: a bed, held in a storage container, and so much

639
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: more that could have destroyed anyone, but she is soldiering

640
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: on and sending a message to other women out there

641
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: that are suffering tonight. Look at her. She has survived

642
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: and triumphed. If she can do it, you can do it. Samantha.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all of us here at Crime Stories, thank

644
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: you from the bottom of our hearts, and God bless you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Now we remember an American hero, Sheriff Robert Rogers, Wilcox

647
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Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Georgia, killed in the line of duty after

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Speaker 2: twenty two years and law enforcement, leaving behind a grieving

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Speaker 2: Widowhalley and son Robert American hero sheriff Robert Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend

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Speaker 2: As