WEBVTT - Two Jersey Js: Forever a Housewife?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, it's Jackie Goldschneider and Jen Fessler and we

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<v Speaker 1>are two Jersey Jays and today we're talking housewives.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, jack, we've talked about talking about housewives

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, and I know we've always like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of tried to avoid it a little, just in the

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<v Speaker 2>sense that, like, there are so many housewife podcasts, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so we haven't really given we're not recapping. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>like you're definitely not recapping. You're right, that's true. No,

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<v Speaker 2>but I may ask you a question, no saying it's nice,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that we're talking a little house Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. I mean it's a big part of both

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<v Speaker 2>our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of feeling do you get in your like

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<v Speaker 1>gut when you open Instagram and there's a rumor about

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<v Speaker 1>who's coming back and who's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it affect you or do you feel sick to

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<v Speaker 2>your stomach when you're asking me how I feel now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very different than how I felt right when the

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<v Speaker 2>show went off the air and things would come up then,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually I took them seriously, but now much less so.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's because because it's just so constant,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like all of these speculations that I

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<v Speaker 2>and I I just don't know. I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really buy into it anymore, do you. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I do make a call to somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>knows more than me and say, hey, is there any.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth to this?

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<v Speaker 1>And I do feel better when I call it Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>I call Anthony.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like Anthony knows enough people and he knows

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<v Speaker 1>enough about everything. Anthony is somebody that Jen and I

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<v Speaker 1>are both very close with who knows. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>wizard who knows everything.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows everything about everything that's just housewives. He is

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<v Speaker 2>like the oldest young person I've ever known, the best,

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<v Speaker 2>just the best.

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<v Speaker 1>But he will always be honest with me and tell

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<v Speaker 1>me if there's truth to it or if there's no

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<v Speaker 1>truth to it. But I used to care a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more like you're right when the show went off the air.

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<v Speaker 1>If I saw a rumor that like four people and

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<v Speaker 1>my name wasn't on it, I'd be like, oh God.

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<v Speaker 2>And now it's sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, to be honest with you, I'm gonna be totally

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<v Speaker 1>honest when there's a rumor that certain people are coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that means that you and I

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<v Speaker 1>are not coming back or we are, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if we'd be included in that list since we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, just because we're not well. Yes, I always assume

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<v Speaker 2>that it includes us. Yeah, yeah, and that just makes

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<v Speaker 2>me feel better. Yeah yeah. Would you ask me this, like,

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<v Speaker 2>does it depend on who gets recast how you'd feel

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<v Speaker 2>about it? Like, let's say we're not recast. Does it matter?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I think it probably thousand percent.

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<v Speaker 1>If I wasn't coming back and I found out that

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<v Speaker 1>four people who hate me are, yeah, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>feel good about it. But if the people that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>close to and that I really like got cast and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, but the people who hate me didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>cast either, yeah, i'd ride off into the sense I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like like certain people will, it would never

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<v Speaker 2>upset me, like because they're iconic.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, like Melissa goes back and Teresa goes back

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't, I don't care. They were on it

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<v Speaker 1>way before I came along, and they'll be on it

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<v Speaker 1>after I leave. I don't know, Jen, But as it

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<v Speaker 1>looks right now, none of.

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<v Speaker 2>Us, none of us are coming back anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think we have to worry about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot of new shows coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to our very special guests today about all

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<v Speaker 1>of it. But there's a lot of new shows, and

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<v Speaker 1>it just makes me feel like Jersey might be sitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Out in the corner for a little while longer. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely think so. But for whatever reason, whoever talks

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<v Speaker 2>about it always says not this year, like that's always

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<v Speaker 2>the answer, not this year. So does that mean twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six? I don't know. I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>do you talk to anyone from the network. No, But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's not really No. Andy calls every week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I do speak to him once in a blue moon

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<v Speaker 1>I did a radio show and he listened to it

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<v Speaker 1>and we spoke about that. But other than that, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really bother the network. I'm not one of

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<v Speaker 1>those and I've never been. I've never been the person

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<v Speaker 1>who called the network. I don't complain about the edit,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't complain about anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>And back to the point where I reached out to

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<v Speaker 1>one of our publicists and I was like, should I

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<v Speaker 1>be contacting the network about anything? And she was like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's better when you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I just don't. I don't think I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>People say the squeaky wheel gets the oil, but I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of feel like there's a value in not being annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so just you know, I live with this

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<v Speaker 1>thing in my gut where any day there could be

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<v Speaker 1>a phone call saying like I'm like, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>your service, you're no longer needed, or there could be

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<v Speaker 1>one saying, hey, we're going to pick up cameras in November, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they do that? Do they call and say you're

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<v Speaker 2>no longer needed, as opposed to just letting well. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean when I was demoted, I did get that phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>You were still on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean yes, I was still on the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a very nice phone call, filled with like

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<v Speaker 1>how valuable I still am to the show. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was a phone call, nonetheless, So I imagine that they

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't just a longtime cast member. They wouldn't just like

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<v Speaker 1>invite everyone else back and like leave you guessing I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you would get a phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, I'm who knows, who knows?

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, today's guest knows everything, literally everything, and like

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<v Speaker 1>nothing is confirmed.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course he doesn't work for a Bravo, but he

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<v Speaker 2>he's like the housewife whisperer. Today's guest is he really is?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>He's like he really is most magnetic kind which you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the kind base Yeah? Yeah, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>all all, if you're a housewife you know and love well,

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<v Speaker 2>then tell everyone who it is. It's Dave Quinn. Yay,

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<v Speaker 2>David and okay, so are you ready for him? But you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't know who that is, which you probably

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<v Speaker 2>most of you do.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Quinn is with People magazine and I'm almost positive

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<v Speaker 2>if you're listening to us you read Diamonds and Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not, but it's the international hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's New York Times bestseller. And and he's just

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<v Speaker 1>like omnipresent. Like every house I knows Dave Quinn so well,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a great sounding board, always gives great advice

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<v Speaker 1>and we love him here at two Jersey Jys. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's welcome Dave Quinn, the one and only Dave, one

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<v Speaker 1>and only Quinn.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I'm so happy to be here with my two j's.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you and since the last time we had you

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<v Speaker 1>you have a new role at People, right, I do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm the deputy news director here now.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh my god, Wow, my gosh.

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<v Speaker 4>It's one of those things where I keep turning around

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<v Speaker 4>and saying, shouldn't they have hired an adult to do this?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wait, I'm an.

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<v Speaker 2>Adult, imposterson, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But what what like a thing to name drop? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, happened to be the deputy news editor of

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<v Speaker 1>People magazine.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like crazy, it sounds pretty fancy. It really does.

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<v Speaker 2>Will It is fancy? So congratulations you guys. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>guys do quite a party?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we had. We had a party to launch our

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<v Speaker 4>new People app, which if you haven't downloaded, I highly recommend.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really fun. And we have actually a reality show

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<v Speaker 4>on the People app. Now we're so we're filming a

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<v Speaker 4>reality show called The Fourth Wall where it follows the

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<v Speaker 4>staff in the creation of each week's issue and it's

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely hilarious. I've been on it a few times and

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<v Speaker 4>I keep telling everyone, like, listen, if this is going

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<v Speaker 4>to get picked up for season two, we need more drama.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I keep reminding them, I'm like, someone needs to yell.

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<v Speaker 1>At someone send in one of those housewife producers. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>get it out of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly, that's what we need. We need Luke or

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<v Speaker 4>someone coming and screaming at someone. But yeah, maybe I

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<v Speaker 4>need to have a Maybe I need to have a

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<v Speaker 4>housewife come for the fourth Wall episode. I need to

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<v Speaker 4>bring a housewife in for the fourth Wall up.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not currently filming any shows, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>happy to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>So you can come in and cause trouble. You can, really,

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<v Speaker 4>you can really turn up the drama around the office

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<v Speaker 4>and start some fights.

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<v Speaker 2>Not Jen.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen's not the troublemaker. She doesn't like the trouble parts.

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<v Speaker 1>She likes the other person.

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<v Speaker 2>I was hoping that I was going to get another

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<v Speaker 2>season to take that opportunity to make some trouble. And

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know yet. We don't know, you know yet, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but it all mapped out well.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Housewives, let's just start at the start. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there are just so many rumors and so many new shows,

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<v Speaker 1>and so so let's start with this. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>rumor going around that three people from Jersey are coming

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<v Speaker 1>back and three newbies are joining them. I have been

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<v Speaker 1>told that there's no truth to that rumor. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about that rumor?

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<v Speaker 4>I have been told there's no truth for that rumor

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<v Speaker 4>either told it's true. No, No, every single thing that

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<v Speaker 4>I have heard has been real consistent, which is just

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<v Speaker 4>that the network is not paying attention to it. They've

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<v Speaker 4>put it over in the corner and they're just sort

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<v Speaker 4>of ignoring it for a while and focusing on other things,

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<v Speaker 4>and they'll come back to sort of figure out what

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<v Speaker 4>it was. They're looking at casting, they're you know, pulling

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<v Speaker 4>people together, but they're sort of not paying attention to it,

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<v Speaker 4>is what I've been told.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I heard too.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I just tell you something. The number of people

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<v Speaker 1>who come up to me and they're like, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>show called.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, but I didn't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the number of people who think that you just

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<v Speaker 1>get a call on the next day you start filming

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<v Speaker 1>is for years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I just like I want to be like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't understand, like you probably wouldn't get it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say it. I had somebody say to me

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<v Speaker 2>once at a party like, oh Andy's like been asking

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<v Speaker 2>me to do it for years, Like just like I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, Like you live three blocks for me, You're

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<v Speaker 2>not get out of here.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yes, ideas famous. It happens to famous people too.

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<v Speaker 4>Janat Kramer very famously talked about how she had been

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<v Speaker 4>approached to do the Real House. So I's a Beverly

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<v Speaker 4>Hills and then I like was inter I was working

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<v Speaker 4>on the book at the time, So I asked the

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<v Speaker 4>casting director and she's like, oh, yeah, she was pitched

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<v Speaker 4>to us, but we never pushed her forward, like none

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<v Speaker 4>of it. Like so again, it's always like this weird

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<v Speaker 4>thing where just because you have the initial conversation doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>mean you're going to be on the show by any means.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave, I feel like there's been so many New Housewives

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<v Speaker 2>since you wrote your book that you need a part too.

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<v Speaker 2>Have they approached you about it? A man, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>at least like forty new people I.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, I think they want a little bit more time

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<v Speaker 4>still before a part two. You know, you sort of

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<v Speaker 4>separate exactly, not not to jump in on it as quickly,

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<v Speaker 4>but I will say there's plenty of story. There would

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<v Speaker 4>be a lot that we would have to get into,

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<v Speaker 4>and the network has to be ready to have those conversations, right,

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<v Speaker 4>because yeah, so much has gone down, even with all

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<v Speaker 4>the Ultimate Girls trips and the dramas there, Like, I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like there's so much they can't really talk about

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<v Speaker 4>right now that they're not really ready to get real

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<v Speaker 4>about yet. So I think some distance will be helpful

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<v Speaker 4>for them.

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<v Speaker 2>If I could get into Diamonds and Rose, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I would make I've made it, oh one day.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of.

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<v Speaker 1>The new shows. I think they're brilliant. I like the

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<v Speaker 1>new shows that they announced.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's really smart. Listen. It makes perfect sense to

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<v Speaker 4>me in my brain, the way everything is organized. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're looking at New Jersey, for example, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of salaries on there that are really high. And

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<v Speaker 4>though the ratings are great for Jersey, I think the

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<v Speaker 4>problems within the cast and the conflict is a lot

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<v Speaker 4>for the network to deal with. In my perspective, I

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<v Speaker 4>think they sort of in their minds, say, if we

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<v Speaker 4>launch a brand new franchise and now we're dealing with

0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.040
<v Speaker 4>people who don't have those same salaries requirements, right, you're

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<v Speaker 4>getting paid probably each one of them well under one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred thousand dollars each. I'm sure they can make the

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<v Speaker 4>same sort of a show, you know, I've been seeing,

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<v Speaker 4>I've been hearing that Rhode Island has the same sort

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<v Speaker 4>of vibe about.

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey, like grey Italian Italian young moms like Jackie,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that I think that that's the mindset right.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like this franchise is shifting, the popularity is changing

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<v Speaker 4>in everybody's views towards housewives, so we could launch new

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<v Speaker 4>cities and probably save money in the long run. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sure that's part of the co part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I agree too. You think that also, though

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<v Speaker 2>they are This is just my theory that they put

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<v Speaker 2>us on pause definitely and start a Rhode Island and

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<v Speaker 2>it almost gives them so much more leverage to negotiate,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we ain't paying those salaries anymore. So you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be part of it, great, but you know we

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<v Speaker 2>can move on without you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm sure that's a big part of it as well.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's all business in the end, and it

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't feel that way because you're sharing your personal lives

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<v Speaker 4>and feel so personal. But I think, and I've said

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<v Speaker 4>this time and time again, I think the conflict that

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<v Speaker 4>was happening with Teresa and the conflict that was happening

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<v Speaker 4>with Margaret was equally annoying to them. I don't think

0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.240
<v Speaker 4>that they were like siding with anybody. I think they

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<v Speaker 4>were just annoyed dealing with it all, and they didn't

0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.480
<v Speaker 4>want to deal with it anymore. They didn't want to

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<v Speaker 4>deal with the fighting, and that I won't film with

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<v Speaker 4>this person, and I won't be around this person, and

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<v Speaker 4>these people won't talk and they won't get along. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was too much for the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>cast too. It was hard to be around.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and nobody can move forward if nobody wants to

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<v Speaker 4>move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of all those new shows, I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really looking forward to the wife swap one. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the thought of and I don't know if the casting

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<v Speaker 1>rumors are true, but if they are, like the thought

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<v Speaker 1>of Emily Simpson living with Joe Gorga to me is

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<v Speaker 1>hysterical and I cannot wait to watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but Jack, I don't think it works that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's Oh, I thought the wives are

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<v Speaker 2>switching houses. I think that this is why I've heard.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like I'm right, Dave, it's like four

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<v Speaker 2>different episodes. So like in one of the episodes, Emily.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll switch with an unknown somewhere in let's say the Midwest.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I wanted Emily to live with Joe Gorgah.

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<v Speaker 2>With Shane so bad. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm hearing it's it's regular people, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Idea regular just average shows. It's smart. I'm sure it

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<v Speaker 2>will will be very fun.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm sure that Rhode Island won't be the last

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<v Speaker 4>New Housewives franchise on the web.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So is the wife swap thing going to be like

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<v Speaker 1>a one and dinner? Is it these same five women

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<v Speaker 1>for like multiple seasons?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I think it's four episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>And to be like rotating, right, so, like's got.

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<v Speaker 2>A chance at a new wife, right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? I think that you'll have one sort of pilot season,

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<v Speaker 4>if you will, of four or five episodes, however many

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<v Speaker 4>it is, and then I think they'll continue to renew

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<v Speaker 4>it if it does well with different housewives.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh cool, Oh that's really.

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<v Speaker 4>It sound like it will always be the same people.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like how there it seems like there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many shows now, like you can springboard off Housewives and

0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.840
<v Speaker 2>insert yourself in something like this, which I think is

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<v Speaker 2>a nice break and sort of nice, you know, even

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<v Speaker 2>especially for shows that get canceled, like it's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like a nice consolation prize.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I mean I've been watching and paying attention

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<v Speaker 4>to what's happening with these franchises for a while now.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously I watch it very closely, and I just don't

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<v Speaker 4>really know how much future there is in some of

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<v Speaker 4>the same sort of conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, So let's talk about that, because we have

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<v Speaker 1>more questions than just like existing shows, more like deep

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<v Speaker 1>dives into what makes the franchise great and how long

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<v Speaker 1>that can can keep going. So just in general, how

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<v Speaker 1>how long can these shows go with this formula?

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<v Speaker 4>I think they've gone much longer than anybody who's making

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<v Speaker 4>them actually imagined them to go. I think most of

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<v Speaker 4>the people who've been working on these shows for a

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<v Speaker 4>while have been wondering when is the end coming? And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not really sure. I know that there's constant pressure

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<v Speaker 4>when you're filming these shows to have story, and that

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<v Speaker 4>story forces I think people to put a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>conflicts forward and put a lot of things forward in

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<v Speaker 4>their lives that aren't normally what they're going through. That's

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<v Speaker 4>why you see so many like marriage renewals and things

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<v Speaker 4>like that, right just because there's like a need for

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<v Speaker 4>story and unfortunately a.

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<v Speaker 2>Fan of the marriage renewal. I don't think O marriages

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<v Speaker 2>aren't a fan of the marriage renewal either, by the way.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think what happens is that you have a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of these people who hear a small little roomor

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<v Speaker 4>online and feel like, Okay, that's an opportunity for story.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we're going to bring it out, and now we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to fight about it, and it becomes really damaging

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<v Speaker 4>to the participants who are doing the show right because

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<v Speaker 4>now people are spreading rumors about husbands and businesses and

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<v Speaker 4>it just becomes so hard to get through. And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, I mean, I don't think that the network

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<v Speaker 4>necessarily is trying to stop that from happening. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that they recognize that there needs to be a hook

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<v Speaker 4>for people to watch and there needs to be drama.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you look at a show like Atlanta this season,

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<v Speaker 4>which has had a lot of drama, the ratings really

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<v Speaker 4>aren't there because the fans just seem to be sort

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<v Speaker 4>of fickle. They sort of they want all these things

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<v Speaker 4>that they're never going to get and they'ren't happy all

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<v Speaker 4>the time. If Nini came back to Atlanta tomorrow, they

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<v Speaker 4>would be so happy, But then they would watch and

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<v Speaker 4>complain how boring it is, right, you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 4>it just is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what does the end look like? It doesn't look

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<v Speaker 2>like all the show is just going off the air,

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<v Speaker 2>does it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it looks one by one those shows sort

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<v Speaker 4>of going into retirement and putting me over there in

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<v Speaker 4>the pause world.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry to interpret, I've got ato Like what so if

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like this back in the day, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of the classics, right, I'm thinking of Ronie and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about Jersey. So it wasn't all like they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't basing it around rumor mills, and like, how did

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<v Speaker 2>it work? Was it because it was novel and new

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone was so into it, or was it that

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<v Speaker 2>there was just such a different dynamic They really had

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<v Speaker 2>friend groups people that were actually you think that's it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think that's the big thing. Right when

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<v Speaker 4>all of these shows started, they were based around core

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<v Speaker 4>groups of friends where there was a dynamic there that

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<v Speaker 4>was interesting in some capacity as the years went on,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, to expand and to grow and to change

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<v Speaker 4>and evolve the show. They added people into a point

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<v Speaker 4>where a lot of these shows feel like they're not

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<v Speaker 4>really friends, they're sort of cast to be friends. Is

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<v Speaker 4>a perfect example. You know, when the show got recast,

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<v Speaker 4>it was after, you know, in the midst of the

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<v Speaker 4>Black Lives Matter movement, a lot of conflicts going on

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<v Speaker 4>behind the scenes, audiences feeling like it didn't represent the

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<v Speaker 4>real New York. So they went out and found what

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<v Speaker 4>they considered to be right the real New York. And

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<v Speaker 4>they cast a bunch of women who some who knew

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<v Speaker 4>each other, some who were acquaintances, and put them all

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<v Speaker 4>together and said, look at this beautiful, ethnically diverse group

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<v Speaker 4>of women that represent New York. Here you go, camera's up. Well,

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.240
<v Speaker 4>all those women came into the show knowing exactly what

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<v Speaker 4>the show is, knowing what it could do for their

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<v Speaker 4>businesses and their brands, and whether they admitted or not,

0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.359
<v Speaker 4>they were all producing themselves. They were all pretending to

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<v Speaker 4>be something they weren't. They were all holding back things.

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<v Speaker 4>You have somebody like Jenna Lyon saying I'm not going

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about my relationship, I'm not going to show

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<v Speaker 4>my kid anymore. I'm not going to you know, she

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<v Speaker 4>had a yard sale or a tag sale, and she

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't even tell them how much she made at the sale.

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<v Speaker 4>Right It's all this like I'm putting down boundaries. And

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<v Speaker 4>while I respect boundaries, it becomes really challenging when you're

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<v Speaker 4>watching a show where everyone has boundaries and you sort

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<v Speaker 4>of can tell that nothing is real, that it's all

0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.960
<v Speaker 4>sort of phony nonsense, and the fights that you're really

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<v Speaker 4>seeing are more about the show than about the people themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>It's more about, like, I'm mad at you for painting

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<v Speaker 4>me as the villain because the audience is going to

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<v Speaker 4>hate me and it's going to affect my business. Right Like,

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<v Speaker 4>that's sort of the way everyone is thinking. I think

0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.160
<v Speaker 4>it's much easier for the network to say, Okay, New York,

0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.080
<v Speaker 4>you go over there. We don't have to deal with

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<v Speaker 4>you for now. We'll try and find a real cast

0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:31.959
<v Speaker 4>down the line. But let's look at Rhode Island. Look

0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.080
<v Speaker 4>at these real women who are all really good friends

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<v Speaker 4>and they've known each other forever, and this will be

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<v Speaker 4>a good show. Right Like that sort of makes sense

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<v Speaker 4>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, why I'm interrupting so much. Excuse me, you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to, but my question is, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think also because like I remember when Rony started, when

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<v Speaker 2>Jersey started, the women were so they weren't typical, like

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<v Speaker 2>they were nuts. Like I don't have a Primona singer

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<v Speaker 2>in my life, do you know what I mean? I

0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't have anyone from Jersey that could that. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>interact with people the way that they did. And I

0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 2>know they were authentic friends, but also they were so quirky.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe that's hard to find because like now

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<v Speaker 2>it's you're right, it's people that are that have it together,

0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.240
<v Speaker 2>that are producing themselves as opposed to these women that

0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 2>were floundering around who knew what was going to happen next.

0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.560
<v Speaker 2>But I remember just watching specifically Ramona, who I just loved,

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<v Speaker 2>and thinking who what, Like, where are you coming from?

0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Young woman literally shit her pants on television and didn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, her personality was so eccentric, and I remember thinking

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<v Speaker 2>it was so fascinating and like, I don't find that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know as much.

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<v Speaker 1>Even tensely crying at the circus, Like god, if I

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<v Speaker 1>reach back in the archives, it was just brilliant, like

0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.200
<v Speaker 1>everything was just brilliant, but there was deep.

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<v Speaker 2>Intense like fighting back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean when you when I people like to say like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't dark back then, but like I don't know Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole like blaming her sister for stealing her

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<v Speaker 1>house and being an.

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<v Speaker 2>Alcohol like that was dark. I mean Taylor's husband committed suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like there was dark, it just wasn't manufactured dark.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so authentic, And I think that's the difference.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, It wasn't I heard a rumor that your husband

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<v Speaker 4>is cheating nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't that kind of dark.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like I've reached the end with like pretending

0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.920
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't exist and like outing things on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were real things, you know, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the difference is.

0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.840
<v Speaker 4>And the show is always the most interesting when there

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<v Speaker 4>are those moments when Kyle and Lisa vander Pump are

0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:40.800
<v Speaker 4>falling out and you know that that was a real

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:42.919
<v Speaker 4>friendship and the reason they're falling out is kind of

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:45.919
<v Speaker 4>because of the show and they can't really talk about it,

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 4>but they're trying to talk about it, Like that's when

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.320
<v Speaker 4>it's most interesting. But I agree with you, Jen, like

0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.080
<v Speaker 4>it's hard to find a Ramona singer, and Jersey's a

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<v Speaker 4>perfect example taking YouTube out of the equation because I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to talk about you both here, but like,

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<v Speaker 4>I think we've heard it all. No, but I think

0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.760
<v Speaker 4>like Margaret's a good example of someone who's like kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a character, right, You're like, okay, you're a bit

0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 4>of a character. And then you have someone like Ambermorksey

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:12.240
<v Speaker 4>who joined pretending to be a character and like faked

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 4>it the whole time and it never really worked right.

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 4>So it's like you have to be somebody who is

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<v Speaker 4>just one hundred percent authentically yourself, which is very difficult

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 4>to do. We are all aware now of what people

0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.439
<v Speaker 4>perceive us to be. We have social media platforms that

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:32.000
<v Speaker 4>are curated and we're paying attention to comments and likes,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it's really difficult to go on television

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<v Speaker 4>and be one hundred percent yourself without being worried about

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<v Speaker 4>what people say.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. So what do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Think in terms of housewives? Do you think that because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of controversy over how old should a

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.240
<v Speaker 1>housewife be, So like on Jersey, we had some that

0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 1>were very very young, we had some that were older

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<v Speaker 1>do you think it should be somebody with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of life experience and somebody wealthy that we can watch

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and they want to emulate, or someone crazy, or should

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>it be younger women that we could watch their families

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 1>grow and watch their kids grow up on camera?

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Like, what do you think is better?

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<v Speaker 4>I think a good mix is the best way to

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 4>go about it. You know, again we come back to

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 4>early seasons of New York. You want the Jills Aaron

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 4>and the Bethany Frankel. You want the person who is

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more established in society and also somebody

0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.160
<v Speaker 4>who may be an up and comer, and to see

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 4>how they all interact with one another. I think it's

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:38.080
<v Speaker 4>good to have a good mix, because there is. It's

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.439
<v Speaker 4>the lesson of Housewives for me has always been women

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 4>have value in society in times that entertainment often sort

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 4>of overlooked them and threw them away, Right, So I

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 4>definitely think that of a certain age air quote like,

0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:57.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, an older female has a lot of incredible

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.640
<v Speaker 4>story to tell and deserves that platform.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I talked to somebody actually picked up

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.679
<v Speaker 2>something that I said on a podcast recently, and I

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 2>was saying something to the effect of like I don't

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:12.639
<v Speaker 2>care about you know, your babies and your carpool. And

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 2>then someone picked it up and said that I was

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 2>trying to dis Rachel Fuda or I was dissing young

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, it's not that at all. I wasn't thinking.

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I am literally saying I personally what I'm interested in

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 2>is more aligned with someone who is older. It's like,

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm more interested in watching women. I don't really want

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.119
<v Speaker 2>to hear women discuss menopause necessarily, but you guys know

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, Like I want to hear about vaginal

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 2>dryness as opposed to like like in a funny, colorful

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 2>way for me. But that doesn't mean that I do.

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I did bond weirdly enough with Rachel Fuda the first

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:54.680
<v Speaker 2>season in a way that was totally organic, and I

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 2>think people thought it was really interesting, you know, But

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, I I personally like, I

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>think that I like watching women at a certain age

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 2>a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 4>I do too. What I'm fascinated by is the idea

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 4>of society painting you to be one thing. Right. You're

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 4>a mom, and you spend your life being a mom

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 4>and raising a child and that child eventually goes away,

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 4>and then what is your identity beyond that? And I

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.439
<v Speaker 4>think it's fascinating to what women like Ninny, women like

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.439
<v Speaker 4>Jill Zaren, women who X Y and Z have like

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.679
<v Speaker 4>in the past, have stepped into their power through this

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 4>platform and created a whole second life for themselves. That's

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:33.679
<v Speaker 4>really fascinating to me.

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:35.639
<v Speaker 2>I agree. What about wealth?

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of people say the Housewives should

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.439
<v Speaker 1>be wealthy. I know you said that people who are

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 1>established versus up and comers, But wealth wise, does it

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>change the Housewives brand when you have people who you

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>know live in a peeny, tiny little house and are

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>obviously have no money.

0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 4>I think that ultimately Housewives works when there's wealth involved

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 4>because it's it comes back to the concept of the show,

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 4>which originally was behind the gates, right. It was to

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 4>look into sort of this universe of rich people where

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 4>you didn't normally get to see. And I think that

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:19.360
<v Speaker 4>people like the aspirational quality towards Housewives.

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Don't you think they also like watching wealthy women like

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:28.119
<v Speaker 2>go down like I don't know, like you, of course,

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 2>there's always a certain amount of I had it right,

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching Lisa vander Pomp. Although I loved her, I

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 2>never wanted anything to happen to her. But like when

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 2>you're watching I don't know some of the really wealthy

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 2>women and it's not so perfect as it looks well watching.

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Det now and now there's all these rumors about Derret's money,

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.440
<v Speaker 1>right right, de dresses head to toe and like ten

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars outfits every day. But now, you know, I

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:59.360
<v Speaker 1>do think that some people are enjoying that potential the downfall.

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I really like her.

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 4>I like her too, but listen, like watching the downfall

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 4>of somebody on television, it's a tried and true formula, right,

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 4>and it's always going to be the way the network

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 4>sees it. I'm sure, by the way, I don't work

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 4>for the network. I'm not a network spokesperson, but I'm

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.199
<v Speaker 4>sure the way they all look at this is like

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:19.400
<v Speaker 4>this is great story.

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's I mean, it's like wow, just watch

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 2>the Valley Wow.

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 4>Or like look at someone like Erica, like we've sort

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 4>of watched this journey. If they would have left Erica

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 4>when she lost her money and they were like you're

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 4>not valuable anymore, we wouldn't have gotten to see sort

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 4>of the way that she stood up after the lowest

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 4>moment in her life. And that's fascinating, that's inspirational, that's

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 4>a reminder of really.

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>All of us.

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 4>You know. The thing that housewives hear the most. I'm

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 4>sure that you can both attest. It's not people aren't

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 4>like they don't remember they oh, you cursed this person

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 4>out or you said that really funny thing. It's like

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 4>the story that you shared. I mean, how many people

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 4>Jackie come up to you and talk to you.

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 2>About Oh, yeah, I think that's my legacy. I was

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>afraid my legacy.

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 3>Would be finale at rails, but it's not. Turns out

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 3>people much more often want to talk about the eating

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 3>disorder stuff, which makes me really proud.

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's that is what hooks people to these people.

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>How about this idea of term limits on a housewife

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>so that which I think is actually brilliant. So you

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>don't get to this point where you have to invent

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>a storyline to stay relevant, or you don't have to

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>go over and above and be like the nasty one

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to stay in the story. You know what I'm saying, Like,

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>if you knew that you had six seasons at a

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Max and then you were gone. You wouldn't need to,

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, keep clawing for something to keep you.

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I disagree. I think that would not

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 2>work at all. I think that, first of all, the

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 2>clawing is part of I hate to say it, but

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 2>as part of the fun I think for the audience.

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know, I feel like you could even

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of give up at the end. But I always

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 2>do say this, like, you got to follow the money.

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 2>If the ratings are coming in and you're bringing in

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 2>a certain amount of money, everyone is to pay their

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 2>mortgage the exact sit Bravo too, So why give limits

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 2>if the person is a money maker? Right? I mean

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I always think sort of follow the money.

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I see that too. Ultimately, I'm one of two

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 4>ways about it. I can totally see how certain people

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 4>feel the need to stay relevant and therefore are clamoring

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 4>and inventing things and trying to sort of center themselves

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 4>in the drama. But I do feel like they would

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 4>be that way even if they weren't on television. You know.

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 4>I always use Karen Huger as example, Like, Karen Huger

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 4>is somebody who if you speak to her, she's pretty

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 4>cagey about her real life, and you could tell that

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 4>she's sort of putting on a persona. But that's who

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 4>she is if she wasn't on TV, you know, like

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 4>that would be who she was if you met her

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 4>at a party. So I think that's the personality of

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 4>somebody who is trying to center themselves in conversation and

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 4>drama exists even if the cameras aren't there, they would

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 4>still be doing that within their friend's circle. I believe

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm very Nostalgia's a very powerful emotion, and I'm very nostalgic.

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 4>So I find myself missing a lot of former housewives

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 4>and wanting to see them on TV and just really

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 4>feeling nostalgic about the time that I spent with them.

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Me too.

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, Yeah, but the fans don

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 4>aren't like that. I mean, I always use Chara as

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 4>an example. They fired Charai three times, Like the fans

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 4>beg for her to come back, and then when she's there,

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 4>they're like, get rid of her. She's boring, you know.

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 4>So it's like, it's so frustrating the way the fan

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 4>base works, because I think that they don't recognize what

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 4>they want. They just seem to be you.

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Know, they'll ever brings back.

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 4>I do not, and I think it's a mistake. Like

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 4>I just feel like that show would be so much

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 4>more interesting if Derinda and Luanne and maybe even Sonya

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 4>were in the mix. Like, I just think it would

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 4>be so much more interesting to see that mixture of personality.

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 4>But the network made a choice and they they said

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.239
<v Speaker 4>let's try and swing big, and I don't think it

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 4>really worked as they wanted it to. So I think

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 4>they're trying to figure out what to do next.

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with that, So there's lots of rumors about the

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>New New York. Do you think they're done or do

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>you think that they'll bring that one back? I mean

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Jersey aside. Are they just slowly letting older shows go

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>to bed?

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean the network never really says they cancel anything,

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, And I don't think Real Housewives the Dallas

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 4>was canceled. I don't think Dubai has been canceled, right

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 4>they're just not renewed or they're not in the cycle

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 4>right now. I think they've made it very clear once

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 4>that page six story came out, which by the way,

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 4>never said the show was canceled. The fans interpreted it

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 4>that way all the show. All it said was that,

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, the show wasn't really being filmed right now,

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 4>which it's not being filmed right now, and it wasn't

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 4>announced as Upfronts is being renewed. So you know, we're

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 4>still in this mix of what are they going to

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 4>do with New York. They've said they're looking into other women.

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 4>There's every day I see another report that you know,

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 4>they're casting new people, but I'm not necessarily sure they're

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 4>doing anything with it. I think they've put it right

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 4>next to Jersey and they've said, we'll come back to you.

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 4>Let's focus on these new ones.

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Brandy Glanville gave an interview and she says a lot

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>of stuff, but she called the Real Housewives.

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Life ruining TV. Do you think that that's true?

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 4>First of all, I love Brandy Glanville so much, and

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 4>you are you close? We're not close, but but I

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 4>love her.

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I love that you love her.

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I love Messy because you love Messy right like I

0:33:59.560 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 2>love that.

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 4>I feel as though I feel protective over all of y'all,

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, because I think that it's

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 4>difficult to navigate this situation. I think the network is

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 4>a business. At the end of the day, Bravo is

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.720
<v Speaker 4>a business, and they can't care about everybody and treat

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 4>everybody as a priority. The business is the priority. In

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 4>the same way that if I became a problem for

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.839
<v Speaker 4>People Magazine, I would assume People Magazine would move on, right.

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 4>It just is sort of the way it works. And

0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 4>she became somebody who didn't fit in with their business

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 4>model anymore, and that's sort of the way. But I

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.719
<v Speaker 4>don't think it was because she did anything that she

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 4>didn't think was the right thing to do and challenging.

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 4>When you look at the whole situation from behind, is

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 4>it life ruining, And certainly in her experience it seems

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 4>to have been. But I also think it's life ruining

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 4>if you let it be life ruining, If you put

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 4>all of your thoughts and hopes and futures and prayers

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 4>into this vehicle, I think it becomes really challenging for sure.

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember, Dave, you and I don't know if

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.879
<v Speaker 2>you'll remember, we had a very long talk one night.

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean it must have been maybe it was two

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 2>years ago, and like I remember, just like I feel

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>like everyone should have to sit down with Dave Quinn

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.360
<v Speaker 2>before they sign up. No, and it's not because because

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 2>it's just your very insightful and even like the things

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 2>that you're saying now, they really resonate with me, like

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>if you allow it to be life ruining, and I

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 2>think that that's so important and for myself, even over

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 2>something that's happening or that I read about or that

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 2>I hear this one is doing this, And then I

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>always have to go like I always step back or

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I call one of my friends will say to me,

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>you're a loser, like you got to like you need

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 2>to relax, Like I got a whole life before I

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 2>got on the show, and I got a whole life

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:58.280
<v Speaker 2>after this show. And it's like I found myself getting

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 2>pulled into that. I know, Jack, you have to and

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.240
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.479
<v Speaker 2>I was happy before, I'm gonna be happy after. It's

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 2>not like this is not my whole life. But it

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 2>sucks you in good.

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 4>Of course it does. If everybody in the world was

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 4>telling me what I whether I'm valuable or not right,

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 4>and that like I would feel I would have a

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 4>really hard time seeing my own self worth because I

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.319
<v Speaker 4>would be judging it all through their eyes. That's why

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 4>I think it's really difficult to do this job. It's

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 4>why I have such respect and kindness for everybody who

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 4>does it, because at the end of the day, I'm

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 4>not judging you. I don't care. I'm judging myself.

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:46.320
<v Speaker 1>So we know that on screen, like craziness, drama is ratings.

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.479
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that there is some social responsibility when

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:54.479
<v Speaker 1>somebody has a substance abuse problem to stop filming with them?

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>So take Karen Huger, who I actually really love personally,

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you too, or like Jax Taylor who was in rehabit

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and missed half the season. Is there is there a

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>social responsibility or is it just hey, like if they're

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 1>only harming themselves, like, let's keep rolling.

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is the eternal moral question, right At

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 4>what point does it stop being entertainment and start being

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, taking advantage of somebody. I think it's really difficult.

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm twelve years sober, I'm active in my sobriety and

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 4>in my recovery. If I was in the height of

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:35.720
<v Speaker 4>using and that was being filmed, I don't know. I mean,

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 4>there's a benefit to that Carl Raki always says, I

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 4>don't think I would have gotten sober had it been

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:44.760
<v Speaker 4>for the show, because it showed me what was happening,

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 4>and the people on that I worked with were like,

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 4>you have a problem, you need to get help for it.

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 4>This may be the most important thing in Jack Taylor's

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 4>life that he was able to do this on camera.

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:56.280
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting.

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.959
<v Speaker 4>At the same time, it's you know, it can feel like, wow,

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 4>we're really taking advantage of somebody, especially with meal health issue,

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:07.439
<v Speaker 4>and when that sort of comes into play at their

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 4>hardest point. And I think Liam McSweeney's whole argument right

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 4>now that she's dealing with in the courts is like, listen,

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 4>I was an addict and I was in the midst

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 4>of a relapse and nobody cared for me, and in fact,

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 4>they took advantage of that by making sure that alcohol

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 4>was readily available and not giving me the time that

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 4>I needed to take care of myself.

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Agree with you? Do you agree with her? With her?

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking particularly Leah. Do you agree with her stance?

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.399
<v Speaker 4>I don't disagree with it. That's the thing. I don't

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 4>agree or disagree. I understand what she's saying, and I

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 4>totally recognize that if I were in her shoes, I

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 4>would feel the exact same way about it. But it's

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 4>not my place to say whether that's right or wrong.

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't Well, it's not mine either, but.

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:53.839
<v Speaker 1>I think I know, well, it's a lot more complicated

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 1>than just one issue. So if you listen to the

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Bravo Docket, which I love, do you listen to that?

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 1>They go through the entire case, and like, there are

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 1>some things I agree with and some that I don't like.

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 1>You went on a show that she knows requires like

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>craziness and drama and said, hey, I'm going to be

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 1>sober and not do any of that stuff. And at

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 1>what point does the show owe it to her to

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you know? Like there's a lot of.

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Big questions within it. I was just gonna say, like

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 2>within any industry, I mean, you can find lots of

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:31.479
<v Speaker 2>alcohol and people pressuring you to come and drink with them,

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, I just I I understand that

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 2>it must have been hard for her. I'm not taking

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.320
<v Speaker 2>that away, but I don't know that it was anyone

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:43.440
<v Speaker 2>else's fault, right, Yeah, And I agree with that.

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, listen, I can't imagine that the intention

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 4>of any of these people. It's always so easy to

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 4>view production or the network or even other housewives just

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 4>like evil beings stirring a cauldron behind the scenes, being

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.319
<v Speaker 4>like moha ruin their lives. Like, I just don't think

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 4>that's the way it works. That being said, I'm sure

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 4>the producer felt a certain amount of pressure to create

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:08.280
<v Speaker 4>some sort of storyline because I'm sure somebody was saying,

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, nothing's happening this season, and we need to

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:12.959
<v Speaker 4>dot that out right. So it's like there's pressure coming

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 4>from all over the place. It's a hard environment to

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 4>be in. But they also cast Leah in that knowing

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 4>fully well that's what she was going through. So now

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 4>you're an employer who essentially is taking not taking care

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 4>of your employee. That's also confusing, right, So there's there's

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:31.799
<v Speaker 4>so many layers to it. I wish it was black

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 4>and whit would be so much easier to understand.

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 2>All right, So, Dave, so what's the next show to

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 2>fall look in your magic ball?

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 4>Oh gosh, my gosh, I don't know.

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I think that Yeah, New York, New Jersey on pause.

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Dubai basically probably finished. Dallas is never coming back. But

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I loved Dallas.

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 4>I love Dallas.

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I really did too, and I thought their last season

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 2>was actually really great. So I don't know.

0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 1>It's confusing to me how they make these decisions. But

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:01.319
<v Speaker 1>we'll see how Rhode Island goes. So, Salt Lake City

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>is doing great. Really, he'll still doing great. Ocean County

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:09.720
<v Speaker 1>still doing great. Orange I mean, sorry, Orange County.

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 4>I think Orange County will be the next to fall,

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 4>that's my instinct. I think I think it will be

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:18.839
<v Speaker 4>a decision at twenty. I think they're at nineteen now.

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 4>Next season will be twenty, and I think they'll sort

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 4>of that's a good like we've done twenty years on

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 4>this show. Next, that's what I know.

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Is it going to be like the decluttering principle where

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>one thing goes out and another thing comes in.

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think.

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 4>That there will be more cities to come. And the

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 4>network has built its entire likely livelihood rather on these shows,

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 4>so I can't imagine that they'll be walking away from

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 4>them anytime soon.

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 2>It's so interesting because I was saying that I am

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 2>so like you were talking about nostalgia. I too feel

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 2>so nostalgic, specifically about some of the ogs, and so

0:41:55.960 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 2>when they are no longer on my show, it's setting

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:02.399
<v Speaker 2>to me. But the truth is, now, if I'm thinking

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 2>about it, like, there are a lot of ogs that

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:08.839
<v Speaker 2>are still around, and after a while, I think maybe

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 2>they get boring. It's theirs, because I mean, who wouldn't.

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.359
<v Speaker 2>It's not their fault, but they're offering up the same thing.

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 2>I think it's only it's only Teresa and Kyle are ogs, right, No,

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 2>they're I mean the whole cast of Salt Lake.

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 4>But that's not right when you're talking about the long

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 4>standing shows left. No, I think those are the only

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 4>two first season housewives who have.

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Written about.

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 4>Vicky.

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I know, but like which whatever, Like you could feel

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:41.799
<v Speaker 2>nostalgic for Vicky, but also it was kind of the

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:42.959
<v Speaker 2>same stick.

0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, things kind of get all But but.

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm more interested in the world outside of Housewives. I'm

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 4>always curious as sort of the way Bravo grows there

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 4>programming Slate. I think that Summer House has become sort

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 4>of a juggernaut for them now. It's like it's delivered

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:02.960
<v Speaker 4>really good ratings and people are very invested in that

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 4>those characters, and they've been going for much longer than

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 4>I think anyone anticipated at first, and Southern Charm has

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.399
<v Speaker 4>sort of continued to reinvent itself, although I don't think

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:16.239
<v Speaker 4>it's always been successful at that. And I'm sort of curious, like,

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 4>what are those new shows? The Valley seems to be

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.760
<v Speaker 4>doing well so that, but that feels such so connected

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.280
<v Speaker 4>to vander Pump Rules. I'm just waiting for what the

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 4>next not Bravo hit is.

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm Isn't it aren't share shaws of Was

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>it again that they're getting a valley that they're now

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 2>getting a new like a valley thing, right?

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but I still will miss them more. There's more

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.760
<v Speaker 4>out there that we haven't really touched. And I'm curious.

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any ideas?

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh gosh, no, I don't. I'm not. I don't know.

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 1>In five years from now, you think that the Housewives

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 1>landscape is going to look very different. The existing shows

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.359
<v Speaker 1>are not all going to be there, and it's going

0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to be a lot of new ones with lower salaries.

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I think that's just business. It just makes

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 4>perfect sense, you know, if the ratings are dwindling and

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 4>things are changing, I wouldn't be surprised if they just

0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:10.920
<v Speaker 4>found newer cities too.

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And to be honest, this Rhode Island Cast, I

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.239
<v Speaker 1>mean some of the things I've heard about them, I'm

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 1>so excited to watch I want to just inject it

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 1>into my veins. Have you read this one really whose

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 1>husband's career is a Frank Sinatra impersonator.

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:27.799
<v Speaker 4>That's incredible. Yeah, I've heard a lot about the Rhode

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 4>Island Cast. And I used to live in Rhode Island.

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.279
<v Speaker 4>I went to college there, and I have a four

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 4>oh one area code phone number still because I got

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.160
<v Speaker 4>my cell phone when I was in Rhode Island. So

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 4>I have a lot of positive feelings towards the Ocean State,

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 4>and I'm really excited to see what they what they

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 4>turned that franchise into. And everyone keeps.

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Asking RD Island and people keep asking like where are

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 2>they going to be filming?

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 4>But the whole state is so small you can drop

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 4>the whole thing in an hour. So I think they're

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 4>going to be filming all over, you know. I just

0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 4>think that it's going to be There's gonna be people

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 4>in cran and there's gonna be people in Narraganza, and

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 4>there's gonna be people in Newport and Warwick, and Providence.

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 4>I just think they're gonna be everywhere. I can't wait

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 4>to see how it all turns down. And it's gonna

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 4>be fun. I think, to have another East Coast franchise

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:15.960
<v Speaker 4>in a place that kind of like Potomac right where

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 4>people didn't really know anything about or you know, and

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 4>and get to see a whole group of people, you know.

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:24.279
<v Speaker 2>I keep I always like waiting for Boca or Long

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Island or like the obvious choices. It's so interesting to

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.760
<v Speaker 2>me that they they and I'm like Rhode Island.

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I think I think that the network is probably staring

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:38.680
<v Speaker 1>clear of any ethnic shows that have to do with

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 1>any kind of wars right now, you know, because in

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 1>terms of like Boca and Long Islands, you know, I

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:47.280
<v Speaker 1>think that.

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:52.839
<v Speaker 2>Motions tied to all of that, you know, for years,

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 2>So I thought, like, what about Boca. It's so to

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:59.279
<v Speaker 2>me it was just like it was prime primed for.

0:45:59.440 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I think it's very Republican and I don't know that

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.760
<v Speaker 1>that's Bravo's brand in Boca.

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 4>Well, again, it becomes it becomes political in ways that

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 4>I always argue I don't really care about. I certainly

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.360
<v Speaker 4>have my own political beliefs. But I like to watch

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 4>TV and feel like I'm looking into a window, not

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 4>into a mirror. I don't want to see me or

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:23.040
<v Speaker 4>my life. It's very boring, you know, or my views.

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:25.320
<v Speaker 4>I want to see people who have different perspectives on things.

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 4>And I think we all need to be a lot

0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 4>less judgmental and critical. I think we sort of need to.

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Like, Amen, Amen.

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 4>You're talking to somebody who deleted all in social media

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 4>and hasn't been online in two years.

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.959
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that you haven't been back yet. That's

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.360
<v Speaker 2>amazing to me. I love it because of it.

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 4>God, yeah, much very much. So I've stopped. I have

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 4>no idea what anyone says about me, and it's lovely.

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Really, I love it.

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I was listening to Watchful Crappens the

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:56.840
<v Speaker 1>other day and they were saying they they mentioned you,

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and they were like.

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Dave Quentin disappeared, like you're well go and like

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 3>he hasn't been seen since, but he's working away, he's

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 3>plugging away, but like no one knows where he is

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:07.719
<v Speaker 3>where he is.

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 2>But I love that. What bad things, what anyone say

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 2>about you?

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't even know, no one ever says a bad

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 1>word about you.

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I know. I'll let you know. The people don't

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 4>like me, it's no problem, you know. The truth at

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 4>the end of the day is that I like me

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:21.320
<v Speaker 4>and I just don't.

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:22.919
<v Speaker 2>Really we love you.

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:24.880
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to worry about all that stuff. And

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 4>if you have something to say about me, you better

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 4>say it behind my back because I don't care. I

0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 4>don't want to know, and I would much prefer to, like,

0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:34.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, live in my own internal bliss of just

0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 4>feeling happy about myself and not feeling stressed out of me.

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:37.759
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I do have to say I signed up of Instagram

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>when Finale was airing last year for a month, and

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:45.280
<v Speaker 1>it was really freeing.

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 2>It was great.

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 4>It's wonderful to sort of be away from it. I

0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 4>do think if if I had any I mean, you know,

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 4>I've given a lot of advice to housewives. I've given

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.560
<v Speaker 4>both of you a lot of advice. Jackie, I met

0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 4>you before your season started hearing Yeah, and gave you

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:01.280
<v Speaker 4>this whole thing. I do think that, like the number

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 4>one thing that would be so helpful for every housewife

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:05.960
<v Speaker 4>is not to be on social media. It's just like,

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 4>if you can afford to hire someone to post for you.

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 4>Just do that and just move forward and not look

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 4>at it.

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it doesn't even end on the show ends,

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 1>because I saw yesterday that Mia, well by the time

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:20.719
<v Speaker 1>this airs, I'm not sure when this is airing, but

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Mia is now telling the cast of Potomac that they

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:26.839
<v Speaker 1>better not be talking about her or she'll sue them

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:30.760
<v Speaker 1>for defamation. And like it's just like you're, you're done,

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:32.839
<v Speaker 1>move on with the life, like you know they're going

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:36.640
<v Speaker 1>to talk about you, but like you know, it just

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.800
<v Speaker 1>stays and it weighs on you, and like it keeps

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 1>you like aggravated.

0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:43.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, picture like that being like if I logged

0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 2>off of not now because no one's really talking about

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.920
<v Speaker 2>me now, but like if I had logged off of

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>social media because I'm always like, well, I'm gonna miss

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:53.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, the people in my life and just had

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:57.440
<v Speaker 2>like a private account with my non Housewives people, you know,

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the people that I always was on Facebook with their

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.319
<v Speaker 2>birthdays because it popped up on Facebook, Like that would

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>be I could probably compromise in that way. I wouldn't

0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.520
<v Speaker 2>feel so like I was, you know, missing out.

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 4>It is I think, yeah, everywhere you go, people are

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 4>going to ask you about this show. And that's the

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 4>one thing that Caroline Manze said to me once that

0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 4>it really resonated with me. Or She's like, it's been

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.360
<v Speaker 4>sixteen years and people still ask me about a table

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 4>flip that I didn't even do. Like for the rest

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 4>of my life, people are going to be asking me

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 4>about this stuff. And it's just you have to think

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 4>of it that way. Is that like it there's no

0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 4>escape for you all. You're forever a part of this franchise.

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 4>Whether you liked it or not, you signed up.

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I actually love that I loved it. I loved my

0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:38.359
<v Speaker 2>experience on the show.

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 1>There have been moments, of course, but I love the network,

0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:45.839
<v Speaker 1>I love the show, and I don't mind being associated

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 1>with it.

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And that's the thing I like. It's a mindset, right,

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 4>It's like, if they're always going to be coming to

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 4>me and talking to me about this thing, then I

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.120
<v Speaker 4>have to be able to live with it and to

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:58.719
<v Speaker 4>waist forward for it. So I recognize how difficult it

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:01.919
<v Speaker 4>is for everyone. That's why I am very proud of

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.239
<v Speaker 4>the fact that I've always sort of stayed in a positive,

0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 4>loving kindness mentality, and I.

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Think that's why everyone gravitates to you. I'm like, there

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 1>will be times when I'm on the phone with Dave,

0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:15.760
<v Speaker 1>We're like six housewives, they'll call through.

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:24.360
<v Speaker 2>You are. You are like a very calming and but

0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:27.840
<v Speaker 2>like you know everything. You are the people magazine of

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 2>the tabloids. Yes, like rise above, you are the fair,

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 2>equitable and kind. Well, I guess People's not a tabloid,

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 2>but you know what I'm saying.

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:40.359
<v Speaker 4>No, of course I understand exactly what you mean, and

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:42.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm proud of that. Listen, I got to be able

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:43.560
<v Speaker 4>to put my head down at the end of the night.

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 4>And I think that there's no there's nothing wrong with

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:48.759
<v Speaker 4>fans wanting to have fun with all of this. It

0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:50.880
<v Speaker 4>is entertainment, I get it. But I do think that

0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 4>there's a line cross that often happens where they don't

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:58.360
<v Speaker 4>really understand the difference between like the silly and the

0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:02.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, serious, and they get really intense, and I

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:05.200
<v Speaker 4>feel pretty bad for them. They did it towards me.

0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 4>There were there were death rumors. By the way, when

0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:12.280
<v Speaker 4>I Instagram, I don't know, there were there were Reddit

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:16.000
<v Speaker 4>boards and people were sending me told me scared out

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:21.760
<v Speaker 4>of their mind that I killed myself. I was like, no, sorry,

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 4>look pretty good for a dead bitch.

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, I feel like I could ask you questions all day, Jen,

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:29.479
<v Speaker 1>Do you have anything else?

0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:32.840
<v Speaker 2>A million more? I know I really do too. But

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I think this was wait wait because you

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 2>had something. You and I talked about something.

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Jack.

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I want to know, like you said, like, who is

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 2>who do you think is the best housewife?

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Best housewife of all time? Taking me and Jen out

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:47.719
<v Speaker 1>of it. You know, obviously I.

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Don't think you.

0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:51.879
<v Speaker 4>I mean I long have people that I would put

0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 4>on my mount rushmore of housewives that I think are

0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 4>really good housewives. I really am a respector villain sort

0:51:59.960 --> 0:52:01.840
<v Speaker 4>of a guy. You know. I look at people like

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 4>Lisa Renna and I you know, I appreciate what they

0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:07.440
<v Speaker 4>brought to the show because I know how hard it

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:09.960
<v Speaker 4>is to be the messy person, and I think that

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.760
<v Speaker 4>they advance storyline in that way, and I look towards

0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:16.160
<v Speaker 4>people like that. The one I relate the most too

0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 4>is Caroline Manzo. She's just always been my go to

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 4>favorite housewife because she reminds me a lot of you know,

0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 4>my Italian family and sort of what I look for

0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 4>in a person that loyalty, that like love and that

0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:33.680
<v Speaker 4>unconditional love kids, which just really yeah, you know, I

0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:34.560
<v Speaker 4>love that answer.

0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I would have not thought that you would have said that.

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I would have not that. But there's a lot of

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:40.400
<v Speaker 2>absolute sense.

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:42.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and there's a lot of different things. I mean,

0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't think there's any bad housewise. The truth is

0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:47.640
<v Speaker 4>like even the ones that people don't like, I've been like,

0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 4>there's stuff I can find it in them that I

0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.080
<v Speaker 4>find enjoyable to watch.

0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of one and done's that I

0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:56.080
<v Speaker 1>don't agree with. I think they should have stuck around,

0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 1>even like Noela on Ocean County, like I thought she

0:52:58.680 --> 0:52:59.399
<v Speaker 1>was chuck four.

0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:01.200
<v Speaker 2>I do get that. Why did she get fired? She

0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:06.640
<v Speaker 2>was cuckoo in the kookiest way. I don't Orange County.

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I keep calling it Oceans That's okay.

0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes there's a thing as much too much storyline. I

0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 4>think bron Wind and Burke out with the same situation,

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:16.799
<v Speaker 4>like there's too much storyline for the audience to digest,

0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:20.879
<v Speaker 4>and it becomes really it feels very manufactured. Mea as

0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:24.120
<v Speaker 4>somebody else who dealt with that too much going on

0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:26.440
<v Speaker 4>in their lives. You know, you are like and I mean,

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 4>you need to slowly peel it back and she'll be

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:33.000
<v Speaker 4>a fired I don't think so. I think that they

0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 4>would have filmed with me again, but I think Mia

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:38.600
<v Speaker 4>wasn't living in Potomac anymore, so that sort of makes

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 4>it hard to be on the Real Housewives of Potomac.

0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes sense.

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:44.960
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know for sure. I didn't really inquire

0:53:44.960 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 4>about that one.

0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 2>This is just a personal thing. Where do you What

0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.359
<v Speaker 2>do you think of Bethany?

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's so funny. Bethany is was and I think

0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.440
<v Speaker 4>many people feel the same way when you first watched

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:00.960
<v Speaker 4>her on Housewives, Like was the character that we all

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.480
<v Speaker 4>fell in love with because she was such a voice

0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:06.360
<v Speaker 4>of the people and it felt like her perspective on

0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 4>things were so funny and so entertaining and so right on.

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:15.200
<v Speaker 4>And she's continued to be somebody who has like used

0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:18.560
<v Speaker 4>social media, and you know, well after the show left,

0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:21.480
<v Speaker 4>found a way to continue being that voice of the people.

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm entertained by it. She's always been really lovely to me.

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 4>She didn't do my book very famously refused to do

0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:29.799
<v Speaker 4>the book, but then talked a lot of shit about it,

0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:32.799
<v Speaker 4>which made the sales go up. So thanks Bethany for that.

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I'm surprised you're a fan.

0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:38.359
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know again, like what is.

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Lots of people are lots of people are fans of hers?

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:44.520
<v Speaker 4>What is it going to cost me being I don't know.

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 4>I guess that at the end of the day, there's

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 4>not really a lot of people I'm not a fan of. Yeah,

0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's just that I would say there's two

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:53.120
<v Speaker 4>or three of them that I pretty much don't like

0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:55.840
<v Speaker 4>off camera, that I don't really like on camera, and

0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:59.399
<v Speaker 4>they are and there are my connection just.

0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Beler, Metsy, Patsy, well, Dave, we love you and thank

0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you so much for coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Will you come on again any time?

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<v Speaker 4>Seriously, I love you both so so much and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>so grateful. At the end of the day, no matter

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<v Speaker 4>what happens to Jersey, you're all icons in my eyes,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm so grateful for all the incredible entertainments that

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<v Speaker 4>you've given us as viewers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you, and we're grateful for you as well,

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<v Speaker 2>to say the least. Thanks Dave, thank you,