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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, it's Jackie Goldschneider and Jen Fessler and we

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Speaker 1: are two Jersey Jays and today we're talking housewives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, jack, we've talked about talking about housewives

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Speaker 2: for a while, and I know we've always like kind

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Speaker 2: of tried to avoid it a little, just in the

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Speaker 2: sense that, like, there are so many housewife podcasts, right,

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Speaker 2: so we haven't really given we're not recapping. We're talking

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Speaker 2: like you're definitely not recapping. You're right, that's true. No,

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Speaker 2: but I may ask you a question, no saying it's nice,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that we're talking a little house Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: for sure. I mean it's a big part of both

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Speaker 2: our lives.

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Speaker 1: What kind of feeling do you get in your like

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Speaker 1: gut when you open Instagram and there's a rumor about

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Speaker 1: who's coming back and who's not.

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Speaker 2: Does it affect you or do you feel sick to

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Speaker 2: your stomach when you're asking me how I feel now,

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Speaker 2: it's very different than how I felt right when the

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Speaker 2: show went off the air and things would come up then,

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Speaker 2: I actually I took them seriously, but now much less so.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's because because it's just so constant,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's like all of these speculations that I

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Speaker 2: and I I just don't know. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 2: really buy into it anymore, do you. No.

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Speaker 1: I mean I do make a call to somebody who

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Speaker 1: knows more than me and say, hey, is there any.

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Speaker 2: Truth to this?

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Speaker 1: And I do feel better when I call it Jack,

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Speaker 1: I call Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Anthony knows enough people and he knows

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Speaker 1: enough about everything. Anthony is somebody that Jen and I

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Speaker 1: are both very close with who knows. It's like a

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Speaker 1: wizard who knows everything.

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Speaker 2: He knows everything about everything that's just housewives. He is

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Speaker 2: like the oldest young person I've ever known, the best,

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Speaker 1: But he will always be honest with me and tell

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Speaker 1: me if there's truth to it or if there's no

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Speaker 1: truth to it. But I used to care a lot

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Speaker 1: more like you're right when the show went off the air.

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Speaker 1: If I saw a rumor that like four people and

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Speaker 1: my name wasn't on it, I'd be like, oh God.

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Speaker 2: And now it's sort of.

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Speaker 1: Like, to be honest with you, I'm gonna be totally

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Speaker 1: honest when there's a rumor that certain people are coming back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that means that you and I

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Speaker 1: are not coming back or we are, because I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we'd be included in that list since we're.

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Speaker 2: Fine, just because we're not well. Yes, I always assume

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Speaker 2: that it includes us. Yeah, yeah, and that just makes

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Speaker 2: me feel better. Yeah yeah. Would you ask me this, like,

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Speaker 2: does it depend on who gets recast how you'd feel

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Speaker 2: about it? Like, let's say we're not recast. Does it matter?

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Speaker 2: Because I think it probably thousand percent.

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Speaker 1: If I wasn't coming back and I found out that

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Speaker 1: four people who hate me are, yeah, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: feel good about it. But if the people that I'm

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Speaker 1: close to and that I really like got cast and

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Speaker 1: I didn't, but the people who hate me didn't get

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Speaker 1: cast either, yeah, i'd ride off into the sense I think.

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Speaker 2: I feel like like certain people will, it would never

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Speaker 2: upset me, like because they're iconic.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, like Melissa goes back and Teresa goes back

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Speaker 1: like I don't, I don't care. They were on it

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Speaker 1: way before I came along, and they'll be on it

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Speaker 1: after I leave. I don't know, Jen, But as it

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Speaker 1: looks right now, none of.

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Speaker 2: Us, none of us are coming back anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think we have to worry about that.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of new shows coming up.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to our very special guests today about all

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Speaker 1: of it. But there's a lot of new shows, and

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Speaker 1: it just makes me feel like Jersey might be sitting.

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Speaker 2: Out in the corner for a little while longer. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I definitely think so. But for whatever reason, whoever talks

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Speaker 2: about it always says not this year, like that's always

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Speaker 2: the answer, not this year. So does that mean twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six? I don't know. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: do you talk to anyone from the network. No, But

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Speaker 2: I mean that's not really No. Andy calls every week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I did.

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Speaker 1: I do speak to him once in a blue moon

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Speaker 1: I did a radio show and he listened to it

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Speaker 1: and we spoke about that. But other than that, now,

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Speaker 1: I don't really bother the network. I'm not one of

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Speaker 1: those and I've never been. I've never been the person

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Speaker 2: I'm really quiet.

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Speaker 1: And back to the point where I reached out to

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Speaker 1: one of our publicists and I was like, should I

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Speaker 1: be contacting the network about anything? And she was like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's better when you don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think. I just don't. I don't think I do.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: People say the squeaky wheel gets the oil, but I

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like there's a value in not being annoying.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so just you know, I live with this

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Speaker 1: thing in my gut where any day there could be

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Speaker 1: a phone call saying like I'm like, thank you for

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Speaker 1: your service, you're no longer needed, or there could be

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Speaker 1: one saying, hey, we're going to pick up cameras in November, and.

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Speaker 2: Like they do that? Do they call and say you're

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Speaker 2: no longer needed, as opposed to just letting well. I

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Speaker 2: mean when I was demoted, I did get that phone call.

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Speaker 2: You were still on the show.

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Speaker 1: I mean yes, I was still on the show, and

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Speaker 1: it was a very nice phone call, filled with like

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Speaker 1: how valuable I still am to the show. But there

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Speaker 1: was a phone call, nonetheless, So I imagine that they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't just a longtime cast member. They wouldn't just like

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Speaker 1: invite everyone else back and like leave you guessing I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you would get a phone call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, I'm who knows, who knows?

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Speaker 1: But anyway, today's guest knows everything, literally everything, and like

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Speaker 1: nothing is confirmed.

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Speaker 2: Of course he doesn't work for a Bravo, but he

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Speaker 2: he's like the housewife whisperer. Today's guest is he really is?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: He's like he really is most magnetic kind which you

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Speaker 2: don't know the kind base Yeah? Yeah, I feel like

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Speaker 2: all all, if you're a housewife you know and love well,

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Speaker 2: then tell everyone who it is. It's Dave Quinn. Yay,

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Speaker 2: David and okay, so are you ready for him? But you, guys,

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Speaker 2: if you don't know who that is, which you probably

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Speaker 2: most of you do.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Dave Quinn is with People magazine and I'm almost positive

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Speaker 2: if you're listening to us you read Diamonds and Rose.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not, but it's the international hit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's New York Times bestseller. And and he's just

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Speaker 1: like omnipresent. Like every house I knows Dave Quinn so well,

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Speaker 1: and he's a great sounding board, always gives great advice

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Speaker 1: and we love him here at two Jersey Jys. So

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Speaker 1: let's welcome Dave Quinn, the one and only Dave, one

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Speaker 1: and only Quinn.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so happy to be here with my two j's.

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Speaker 1: Have you and since the last time we had you

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Speaker 1: you have a new role at People, right, I do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the deputy news director here now.

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Speaker 2: So oh my god, Wow, my gosh.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those things where I keep turning around

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Speaker 4: and saying, shouldn't they have hired an adult to do this?

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Speaker 4: Oh wait, I'm an.

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Speaker 2: Adult, imposterson, I know.

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Speaker 1: But what what like a thing to name drop? Like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, happened to be the deputy news editor of

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Speaker 1: People magazine.

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Speaker 4: It's like crazy, it sounds pretty fancy. It really does.

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Speaker 2: Will It is fancy? So congratulations you guys. Are you

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Speaker 2: guys do quite a party?

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Speaker 4: Yes, we had. We had a party to launch our

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Speaker 4: new People app, which if you haven't downloaded, I highly recommend.

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Speaker 4: It's really fun. And we have actually a reality show

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Speaker 4: on the People app. Now we're so we're filming a

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Speaker 4: reality show called The Fourth Wall where it follows the

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Speaker 4: staff in the creation of each week's issue and it's

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Speaker 4: absolutely hilarious. I've been on it a few times and

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Speaker 4: I keep telling everyone, like, listen, if this is going

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Speaker 4: to get picked up for season two, we need more drama.

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Speaker 4: Like I keep reminding them, I'm like, someone needs to yell.

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Speaker 1: At someone send in one of those housewife producers. They'll

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Speaker 1: get it out of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that's what we need. We need Luke or

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Speaker 4: someone coming and screaming at someone. But yeah, maybe I

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Speaker 4: need to have a Maybe I need to have a

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Speaker 4: housewife come for the fourth Wall episode. I need to

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Speaker 4: bring a housewife in for the fourth Wall up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not currently filming any shows, so I'm

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Speaker 4: So you can come in and cause trouble. You can, really,

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Speaker 4: you can really turn up the drama around the office

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Speaker 4: and start some fights.

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Speaker 2: Not Jen.

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Speaker 1: Jen's not the troublemaker. She doesn't like the trouble parts.

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Speaker 1: She likes the other person.

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Speaker 2: I was hoping that I was going to get another

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Speaker 2: season to take that opportunity to make some trouble. And

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Speaker 2: we don't know yet. We don't know, you know yet, Yes,

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Speaker 2: but it all mapped out well.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Housewives, let's just start at the start. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are just so many rumors and so many new shows,

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Speaker 1: and so so let's start with this. There is a

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Speaker 1: rumor going around that three people from Jersey are coming

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Speaker 1: back and three newbies are joining them. I have been

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Speaker 1: told that there's no truth to that rumor. Do you

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Speaker 1: know anything about that rumor?

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Speaker 4: I have been told there's no truth for that rumor

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Speaker 4: either told it's true. No, No, every single thing that

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Speaker 4: I have heard has been real consistent, which is just

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Speaker 4: that the network is not paying attention to it. They've

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Speaker 4: and they'll come back to sort of figure out what

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Speaker 4: it was. They're looking at casting, they're you know, pulling

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Speaker 4: is what I've been told.

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Speaker 2: That's what I heard too.

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Speaker 1: Can I just tell you something. The number of people

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Speaker 1: who come up to me and they're like, yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Me, but I didn't want to do it.

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Speaker 1: Like the number of people who think that you just

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Speaker 1: get a call on the next day you start filming

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Speaker 1: is for years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I just like I want to be like, no, no,

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Speaker 3: you don't understand, like you probably wouldn't get it anyway.

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Speaker 2: I can't say it. I had somebody say to me

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Speaker 2: once at a party like, oh Andy's like been asking

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Speaker 2: me to do it for years, Like just like I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, Like you live three blocks for me, You're

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Speaker 2: not get out of here.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes, ideas famous. It happens to famous people too.

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Speaker 4: Janat Kramer very famously talked about how she had been

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Speaker 4: approached to do the Real House. So I's a Beverly

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Speaker 4: Hills and then I like was inter I was working

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Speaker 4: on the book at the time, So I asked the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really smart. Listen. It makes perfect sense to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and nobody can move forward if nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: I think of all those new shows, I think I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jack, I don't think it works that way.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I wanted Emily to live with Joe Gorgah.

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Speaker 4: I'm hearing it's it's regular people, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: Idea regular just average shows. It's smart. I'm sure it

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure that Rhode Island won't be the last

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Speaker 2: Not at all.

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Speaker 1: So is the wife swap thing going to be like

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Speaker 1: And to be like rotating, right, so, like's got.

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Speaker 4: It sound like it will always be the same people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I've been watching and paying attention

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So let's talk about that, because we have

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Speaker 4: You have somebody like Jenna Lyon saying I'm not going

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Speaker 4: Right It's all this like I'm putting down boundaries. And

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Speaker 4: It's more about, like, I'm mad at you for painting

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Speaker 2: Oh, why I'm interrupting so much. Excuse me, you guys,

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Speaker 2: I don't mean to, but my question is, do you

439
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Speaker 2: think also because like I remember when Rony started, when

440
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 2: Jersey started, the women were so they weren't typical, like

441
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 2: they were nuts. Like I don't have a Primona singer

442
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Speaker 2: in my life, do you know what I mean? I

443
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 2: didn't have anyone from Jersey that could that. I didn't

444
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: interact with people the way that they did. And I

445
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: know they were authentic friends, but also they were so quirky.

446
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Speaker 2: You know, maybe that's hard to find because like now

447
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 2: it's you're right, it's people that are that have it together,

448
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 2: that are producing themselves as opposed to these women that

449
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 2: were floundering around who knew what was going to happen next.

450
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Speaker 2: But I remember just watching specifically Ramona, who I just loved,

451
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,959
Speaker 2: and thinking who what, Like, where are you coming from?

452
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: Young woman literally shit her pants on television and didn't care.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, her personality was so eccentric, and I remember thinking

454
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Speaker 2: it was so fascinating and like, I don't find that,

455
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Speaker 2: you know as much.

456
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Speaker 1: Even tensely crying at the circus, Like god, if I

457
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Speaker 1: reach back in the archives, it was just brilliant, like

458
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: everything was just brilliant, but there was deep.

459
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Speaker 2: Intense like fighting back in the day.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you when I people like to say like, oh,

461
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Speaker 1: wasn't dark back then, but like I don't know Kyle

462
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 1: and the whole like blaming her sister for stealing her

463
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Speaker 1: house and being an.

464
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Speaker 2: Alcohol like that was dark. I mean Taylor's husband committed suicide.

465
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Speaker 1: I mean, like there was dark, it just wasn't manufactured dark.

466
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Speaker 2: It was so authentic, And I think that's the difference.

467
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Speaker 4: Right, It wasn't I heard a rumor that your husband

468
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 4: is cheating nonsense.

469
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Speaker 2: It wasn't that kind of dark.

470
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Speaker 1: It was like I've reached the end with like pretending

471
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Speaker 1: this doesn't exist and like outing things on the show.

472
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Speaker 1: But they were real things, you know, which is why

473
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Speaker 1: that's what the difference is.

474
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Speaker 4: And the show is always the most interesting when there

475
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Speaker 4: are those moments when Kyle and Lisa vander Pump are

476
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Speaker 4: falling out and you know that that was a real

477
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Speaker 4: friendship and the reason they're falling out is kind of

478
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Speaker 4: because of the show and they can't really talk about it,

479
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 4: but they're trying to talk about it, Like that's when

480
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Speaker 4: it's most interesting. But I agree with you, Jen, like

481
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 4: it's hard to find a Ramona singer, and Jersey's a

482
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 4: perfect example taking YouTube out of the equation because I

483
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Speaker 4: don't want to talk about you both here, but like,

484
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Speaker 4: I think we've heard it all. No, but I think

485
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 4: like Margaret's a good example of someone who's like kind

486
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 4: of a character, right, You're like, okay, you're a bit

487
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 4: of a character. And then you have someone like Ambermorksey

488
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 4: who joined pretending to be a character and like faked

489
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 4: it the whole time and it never really worked right.

490
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Speaker 4: So it's like you have to be somebody who is

491
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Speaker 4: just one hundred percent authentically yourself, which is very difficult

492
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Speaker 4: to do. We are all aware now of what people

493
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Speaker 4: perceive us to be. We have social media platforms that

494
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Speaker 4: are curated and we're paying attention to comments and likes,

495
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Speaker 4: and I think it's really difficult to go on television

496
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Speaker 4: and be one hundred percent yourself without being worried about

497
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Speaker 4: what people say.

498
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Speaker 2: I agree. So what do you.

499
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Speaker 1: Think in terms of housewives? Do you think that because

500
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of controversy over how old should a

501
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: housewife be, So like on Jersey, we had some that

502
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: were very very young, we had some that were older

503
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: do you think it should be somebody with a lot

504
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: of life experience and somebody wealthy that we can watch

505
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: and they want to emulate, or someone crazy, or should

506
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: it be younger women that we could watch their families

507
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: grow and watch their kids grow up on camera?

508
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Speaker 2: Like, what do you think is better?

509
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Speaker 4: I think a good mix is the best way to

510
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 4: go about it. You know, again we come back to

511
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Speaker 4: early seasons of New York. You want the Jills Aaron

512
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 4: and the Bethany Frankel. You want the person who is

513
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 4: a little bit more established in society and also somebody

514
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 4: who may be an up and comer, and to see

515
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 4: how they all interact with one another. I think it's

516
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 4: good to have a good mix, because there is. It's

517
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Speaker 4: the lesson of Housewives for me has always been women

518
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 4: have value in society in times that entertainment often sort

519
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 4: of overlooked them and threw them away, Right, So I

520
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 4: definitely think that of a certain age air quote like,

521
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 4: you know, an older female has a lot of incredible

522
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 4: story to tell and deserves that platform.

523
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I talked to somebody actually picked up

524
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 2: something that I said on a podcast recently, and I

525
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: was saying something to the effect of like I don't

526
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: care about you know, your babies and your carpool. And

527
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: then someone picked it up and said that I was

528
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Speaker 2: trying to dis Rachel Fuda or I was dissing young

529
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's not that at all. I wasn't thinking.

530
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: I am literally saying I personally what I'm interested in

531
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: is more aligned with someone who is older. It's like,

532
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm more interested in watching women. I don't really want

533
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: to hear women discuss menopause necessarily, but you guys know

534
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like I want to hear about vaginal

535
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: dryness as opposed to like like in a funny, colorful

536
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Speaker 2: way for me. But that doesn't mean that I do.

537
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Speaker 2: I did bond weirdly enough with Rachel Fuda the first

538
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: season in a way that was totally organic, and I

539
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: think people thought it was really interesting, you know, But

540
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I I personally like, I

541
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: think that I like watching women at a certain age

542
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: a little bit better.

543
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Speaker 4: I do too. What I'm fascinated by is the idea

544
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 4: of society painting you to be one thing. Right. You're

545
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 4: a mom, and you spend your life being a mom

546
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: and raising a child and that child eventually goes away,

547
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: and then what is your identity beyond that? And I

548
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 4: think it's fascinating to what women like Ninny, women like

549
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 4: Jill Zaren, women who X Y and Z have like

550
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 4: in the past, have stepped into their power through this

551
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 4: platform and created a whole second life for themselves. That's

552
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Speaker 4: really fascinating to me.

553
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Speaker 2: I agree. What about wealth?

554
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people say the Housewives should

555
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Speaker 1: be wealthy. I know you said that people who are

556
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Speaker 1: established versus up and comers, But wealth wise, does it

557
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: change the Housewives brand when you have people who you

558
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: know live in a peeny, tiny little house and are

559
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: obviously have no money.

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Speaker 4: I think that ultimately Housewives works when there's wealth involved

561
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 4: because it's it comes back to the concept of the show,

562
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: which originally was behind the gates, right. It was to

563
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 4: look into sort of this universe of rich people where

564
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 4: you didn't normally get to see. And I think that

565
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 4: people like the aspirational quality towards Housewives.

566
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: Don't you think they also like watching wealthy women like

567
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: go down like I don't know, like you, of course,

568
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: there's always a certain amount of I had it right,

569
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: I'm watching Lisa vander Pomp. Although I loved her, I

570
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: never wanted anything to happen to her. But like when

571
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: you're watching I don't know some of the really wealthy

572
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: women and it's not so perfect as it looks well watching.

573
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Speaker 1: Det now and now there's all these rumors about Derret's money,

574
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: right right, de dresses head to toe and like ten

575
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: thousand dollars outfits every day. But now, you know, I

576
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: do think that some people are enjoying that potential the downfall.

577
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 2: I really like her.

578
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: I like her too, but listen, like watching the downfall

579
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: of somebody on television, it's a tried and true formula, right,

580
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 4: and it's always going to be the way the network

581
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: sees it. I'm sure, by the way, I don't work

582
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: for the network. I'm not a network spokesperson, but I'm

583
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 4: sure the way they all look at this is like

584
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Speaker 4: this is great story.

585
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: You know, it's I mean, it's like wow, just watch

586
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: the Valley Wow.

587
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: Or like look at someone like Erica, like we've sort

588
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 4: of watched this journey. If they would have left Erica

589
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 4: when she lost her money and they were like you're

590
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 4: not valuable anymore, we wouldn't have gotten to see sort

591
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 4: of the way that she stood up after the lowest

592
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: moment in her life. And that's fascinating, that's inspirational, that's

593
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 4: a reminder of really.

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Speaker 1: All of us.

595
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Speaker 4: You know. The thing that housewives hear the most. I'm

596
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: sure that you can both attest. It's not people aren't

597
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 4: like they don't remember they oh, you cursed this person

598
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: out or you said that really funny thing. It's like

599
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: the story that you shared. I mean, how many people

600
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 4: Jackie come up to you and talk to you.

601
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Speaker 2: About Oh, yeah, I think that's my legacy. I was

602
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: afraid my legacy.

603
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: Would be finale at rails, but it's not. Turns out

604
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: people much more often want to talk about the eating

605
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: disorder stuff, which makes me really proud.

606
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 4: You know, it's that is what hooks people to these people.

607
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: How about this idea of term limits on a housewife

608
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: so that which I think is actually brilliant. So you

609
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: don't get to this point where you have to invent

610
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: a storyline to stay relevant, or you don't have to

611
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: go over and above and be like the nasty one

612
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: to stay in the story. You know what I'm saying, Like,

613
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Speaker 1: if you knew that you had six seasons at a

614
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: Max and then you were gone. You wouldn't need to,

615
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, keep clawing for something to keep you.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I disagree. I think that would not

617
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Speaker 2: work at all. I think that, first of all, the

618
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: clawing is part of I hate to say it, but

619
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Speaker 2: as part of the fun I think for the audience.

620
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Speaker 2: But I don't know, I feel like you could even

621
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: kind of give up at the end. But I always

622
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: do say this, like, you got to follow the money.

623
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: If the ratings are coming in and you're bringing in

624
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: a certain amount of money, everyone is to pay their

625
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: mortgage the exact sit Bravo too, So why give limits

626
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: if the person is a money maker? Right? I mean

627
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: I always think sort of follow the money.

628
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I see that too. Ultimately, I'm one of two

629
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: ways about it. I can totally see how certain people

630
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 4: feel the need to stay relevant and therefore are clamoring

631
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Speaker 4: and inventing things and trying to sort of center themselves

632
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 4: in the drama. But I do feel like they would

633
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Speaker 4: be that way even if they weren't on television. You know.

634
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: I always use Karen Huger as example, Like, Karen Huger

635
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 4: is somebody who if you speak to her, she's pretty

636
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 4: cagey about her real life, and you could tell that

637
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: she's sort of putting on a persona. But that's who

638
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Speaker 4: she is if she wasn't on TV, you know, like

639
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: that would be who she was if you met her

640
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Speaker 4: at a party. So I think that's the personality of

641
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: somebody who is trying to center themselves in conversation and

642
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: drama exists even if the cameras aren't there, they would

643
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: still be doing that within their friend's circle. I believe

644
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: I'm very Nostalgia's a very powerful emotion, and I'm very nostalgic.

645
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: So I find myself missing a lot of former housewives

646
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: and wanting to see them on TV and just really

647
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: feeling nostalgic about the time that I spent with them.

648
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: Me too.

649
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: But at the same time, Yeah, but the fans don

650
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: aren't like that. I mean, I always use Chara as

651
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: an example. They fired Charai three times, Like the fans

652
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 4: beg for her to come back, and then when she's there,

653
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: they're like, get rid of her. She's boring, you know.

654
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: So it's like, it's so frustrating the way the fan

655
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: base works, because I think that they don't recognize what

656
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 4: they want. They just seem to be you.

657
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: Know, they'll ever brings back.

658
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: I do not, and I think it's a mistake. Like

659
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: I just feel like that show would be so much

660
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: more interesting if Derinda and Luanne and maybe even Sonya

661
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: were in the mix. Like, I just think it would

662
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: be so much more interesting to see that mixture of personality.

663
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: But the network made a choice and they they said

664
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 4: let's try and swing big, and I don't think it

665
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: really worked as they wanted it to. So I think

666
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 4: they're trying to figure out what to do next.

667
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

668
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, with that, So there's lots of rumors about the

669
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: New New York. Do you think they're done or do

670
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: you think that they'll bring that one back? I mean

671
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: Jersey aside. Are they just slowly letting older shows go

672
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: to bed?

673
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the network never really says they cancel anything,

674
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: you know, And I don't think Real Housewives the Dallas

675
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: was canceled. I don't think Dubai has been canceled, right

676
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: they're just not renewed or they're not in the cycle

677
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 4: right now. I think they've made it very clear once

678
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 4: that page six story came out, which by the way,

679
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: never said the show was canceled. The fans interpreted it

680
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: that way all the show. All it said was that,

681
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 4: you know, the show wasn't really being filmed right now,

682
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: which it's not being filmed right now, and it wasn't

683
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: announced as Upfronts is being renewed. So you know, we're

684
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: still in this mix of what are they going to

685
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: do with New York. They've said they're looking into other women.

686
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: There's every day I see another report that you know,

687
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: they're casting new people, but I'm not necessarily sure they're

688
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: doing anything with it. I think they've put it right

689
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 4: next to Jersey and they've said, we'll come back to you.

690
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 4: Let's focus on these new ones.

691
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: Brandy Glanville gave an interview and she says a lot

692
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: of stuff, but she called the Real Housewives.

693
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: Life ruining TV. Do you think that that's true?

694
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: First of all, I love Brandy Glanville so much, and

695
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 4: you are you close? We're not close, but but I

696
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: love her.

697
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: I love that you love her.

698
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

699
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: I love Messy because you love Messy right like I

700
00:33:59,560 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: love that.

701
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 4: I feel as though I feel protective over all of y'all,

702
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because I think that it's

703
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 4: difficult to navigate this situation. I think the network is

704
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 4: a business. At the end of the day, Bravo is

705
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 4: a business, and they can't care about everybody and treat

706
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 4: everybody as a priority. The business is the priority. In

707
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: the same way that if I became a problem for

708
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 4: People Magazine, I would assume People Magazine would move on, right.

709
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: It just is sort of the way it works. And

710
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: she became somebody who didn't fit in with their business

711
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: model anymore, and that's sort of the way. But I

712
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: don't think it was because she did anything that she

713
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 4: didn't think was the right thing to do and challenging.

714
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 4: When you look at the whole situation from behind, is

715
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: it life ruining, And certainly in her experience it seems

716
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 4: to have been. But I also think it's life ruining

717
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 4: if you let it be life ruining, If you put

718
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: all of your thoughts and hopes and futures and prayers

719
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: into this vehicle, I think it becomes really challenging for sure.

720
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, Dave, you and I don't know if

721
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: you'll remember, we had a very long talk one night.

722
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: I mean it must have been maybe it was two

723
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: years ago, and like I remember, just like I feel

724
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: like everyone should have to sit down with Dave Quinn

725
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: before they sign up. No, and it's not because because

726
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: it's just your very insightful and even like the things

727
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: that you're saying now, they really resonate with me, like

728
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: if you allow it to be life ruining, and I

729
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: think that that's so important and for myself, even over

730
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: something that's happening or that I read about or that

731
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: I hear this one is doing this, And then I

732
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: always have to go like I always step back or

733
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: I call one of my friends will say to me,

734
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: you're a loser, like you got to like you need

735
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: to relax, Like I got a whole life before I

736
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: got on the show, and I got a whole life

737
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: after this show. And it's like I found myself getting

738
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: pulled into that. I know, Jack, you have to and

739
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

740
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 2: I was happy before, I'm gonna be happy after. It's

741
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: not like this is not my whole life. But it

742
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: sucks you in good.

743
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 4: Of course it does. If everybody in the world was

744
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: telling me what I whether I'm valuable or not right,

745
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: and that like I would feel I would have a

746
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 4: really hard time seeing my own self worth because I

747
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 4: would be judging it all through their eyes. That's why

748
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: I think it's really difficult to do this job. It's

749
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: why I have such respect and kindness for everybody who

750
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 4: does it, because at the end of the day, I'm

751
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 4: not judging you. I don't care. I'm judging myself.

752
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: So we know that on screen, like craziness, drama is ratings.

753
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 1: Do you think that there is some social responsibility when

754
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 1: somebody has a substance abuse problem to stop filming with them?

755
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: So take Karen Huger, who I actually really love personally,

756
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: you too, or like Jax Taylor who was in rehabit

757
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: and missed half the season. Is there is there a

758
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: social responsibility or is it just hey, like if they're

759
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: only harming themselves, like, let's keep rolling.

760
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the eternal moral question, right At

761
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: what point does it stop being entertainment and start being

762
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 4: you know, taking advantage of somebody. I think it's really difficult.

763
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 4: I'm twelve years sober, I'm active in my sobriety and

764
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: in my recovery. If I was in the height of

765
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 4: using and that was being filmed, I don't know. I mean,

766
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 4: there's a benefit to that Carl Raki always says, I

767
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: don't think I would have gotten sober had it been

768
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 4: for the show, because it showed me what was happening,

769
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: and the people on that I worked with were like,

770
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: you have a problem, you need to get help for it.

771
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 4: This may be the most important thing in Jack Taylor's

772
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: life that he was able to do this on camera.

773
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 2: It's interesting.

774
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 4: At the same time, it's you know, it can feel like, wow,

775
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: we're really taking advantage of somebody, especially with meal health issue,

776
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 4: and when that sort of comes into play at their

777
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 4: hardest point. And I think Liam McSweeney's whole argument right

778
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 4: now that she's dealing with in the courts is like, listen,

779
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: I was an addict and I was in the midst

780
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: of a relapse and nobody cared for me, and in fact,

781
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: they took advantage of that by making sure that alcohol

782
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: was readily available and not giving me the time that

783
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 4: I needed to take care of myself.

784
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: Agree with you? Do you agree with her? With her?

785
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm talking particularly Leah. Do you agree with her stance?

786
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with it. That's the thing. I don't

787
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: agree or disagree. I understand what she's saying, and I

788
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: totally recognize that if I were in her shoes, I

789
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 4: would feel the exact same way about it. But it's

790
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: not my place to say whether that's right or wrong.

791
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't Well, it's not mine either, but.

792
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: I think I know, well, it's a lot more complicated

793
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: than just one issue. So if you listen to the

794
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: Bravo Docket, which I love, do you listen to that?

795
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: They go through the entire case, and like, there are

796
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: some things I agree with and some that I don't like.

797
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: You went on a show that she knows requires like

798
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: craziness and drama and said, hey, I'm going to be

799
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: sober and not do any of that stuff. And at

800
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: what point does the show owe it to her to

801
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: you know? Like there's a lot of.

802
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: Big questions within it. I was just gonna say, like

803
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: within any industry, I mean, you can find lots of

804
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 2: alcohol and people pressuring you to come and drink with them,

805
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I just I I understand that

806
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: it must have been hard for her. I'm not taking

807
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: that away, but I don't know that it was anyone

808
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: else's fault, right, Yeah, And I agree with that.

809
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, I can't imagine that the intention

810
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: of any of these people. It's always so easy to

811
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 4: view production or the network or even other housewives just

812
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: like evil beings stirring a cauldron behind the scenes, being

813
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 4: like moha ruin their lives. Like, I just don't think

814
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: that's the way it works. That being said, I'm sure

815
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: the producer felt a certain amount of pressure to create

816
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 4: some sort of storyline because I'm sure somebody was saying,

817
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 4: you know, nothing's happening this season, and we need to

818
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 4: dot that out right. So it's like there's pressure coming

819
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 4: from all over the place. It's a hard environment to

820
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: be in. But they also cast Leah in that knowing

821
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: fully well that's what she was going through. So now

822
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: you're an employer who essentially is taking not taking care

823
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: of your employee. That's also confusing, right, So there's there's

824
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 4: so many layers to it. I wish it was black

825
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: and whit would be so much easier to understand.

826
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: All right, So, Dave, so what's the next show to

827
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: fall look in your magic ball?

828
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, my gosh, I don't know.

829
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

830
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: I think that Yeah, New York, New Jersey on pause.

831
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: Dubai basically probably finished. Dallas is never coming back. But

832
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: I loved Dallas.

833
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 4: I love Dallas.

834
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: I really did too, and I thought their last season

835
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: was actually really great. So I don't know.

836
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: It's confusing to me how they make these decisions. But

837
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: we'll see how Rhode Island goes. So, Salt Lake City

838
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: is doing great. Really, he'll still doing great. Ocean County

839
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: still doing great. Orange I mean, sorry, Orange County.

840
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: I think Orange County will be the next to fall,

841
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: that's my instinct. I think I think it will be

842
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 4: a decision at twenty. I think they're at nineteen now.

843
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: Next season will be twenty, and I think they'll sort

844
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: of that's a good like we've done twenty years on

845
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: this show. Next, that's what I know.

846
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: Is it going to be like the decluttering principle where

847
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: one thing goes out and another thing comes in.

848
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I think.

849
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 4: That there will be more cities to come. And the

850
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: network has built its entire likely livelihood rather on these shows,

851
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 4: so I can't imagine that they'll be walking away from

852
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: them anytime soon.

853
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because I was saying that I am

854
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: so like you were talking about nostalgia. I too feel

855
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: so nostalgic, specifically about some of the ogs, and so

856
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: when they are no longer on my show, it's setting

857
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 2: to me. But the truth is, now, if I'm thinking

858
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: about it, like, there are a lot of ogs that

859
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: are still around, and after a while, I think maybe

860
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: they get boring. It's theirs, because I mean, who wouldn't.

861
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: It's not their fault, but they're offering up the same thing.

862
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: I think it's only it's only Teresa and Kyle are ogs, right, No,

863
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: they're I mean the whole cast of Salt Lake.

864
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: But that's not right when you're talking about the long

865
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 4: standing shows left. No, I think those are the only

866
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 4: two first season housewives who have.

867
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: Written about.

868
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: Vicky.

869
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: I know, but like which whatever, Like you could feel

870
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: nostalgic for Vicky, but also it was kind of the

871
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 2: same stick.

872
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, things kind of get all But but.

873
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 4: I'm more interested in the world outside of Housewives. I'm

874
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: always curious as sort of the way Bravo grows there

875
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: programming Slate. I think that Summer House has become sort

876
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: of a juggernaut for them now. It's like it's delivered

877
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 4: really good ratings and people are very invested in that

878
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: those characters, and they've been going for much longer than

879
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 4: I think anyone anticipated at first, and Southern Charm has

880
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 4: sort of continued to reinvent itself, although I don't think

881
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 4: it's always been successful at that. And I'm sort of curious, like,

882
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: what are those new shows? The Valley seems to be

883
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 4: doing well so that, but that feels such so connected

884
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 4: to vander Pump Rules. I'm just waiting for what the

885
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 4: next not Bravo hit is.

886
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: That's what I'm Isn't it aren't share shaws of Was

887
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: it again that they're getting a valley that they're now

888
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: getting a new like a valley thing, right?

889
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I still will miss them more. There's more

890
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 4: out there that we haven't really touched. And I'm curious.

891
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: Do you have any ideas?

892
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, no, I don't. I'm not. I don't know.

893
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: In five years from now, you think that the Housewives

894
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: landscape is going to look very different. The existing shows

895
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: are not all going to be there, and it's going

896
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: to be a lot of new ones with lower salaries.

897
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's just business. It just makes

898
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: perfect sense, you know, if the ratings are dwindling and

899
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: things are changing, I wouldn't be surprised if they just

900
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: found newer cities too.

901
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be honest, this Rhode Island Cast, I

902
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: mean some of the things I've heard about them, I'm

903
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: so excited to watch I want to just inject it

904
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: into my veins. Have you read this one really whose

905
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: husband's career is a Frank Sinatra impersonator.

906
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 4: That's incredible. Yeah, I've heard a lot about the Rhode

907
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: Island Cast. And I used to live in Rhode Island.

908
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 4: I went to college there, and I have a four

909
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 4: oh one area code phone number still because I got

910
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: my cell phone when I was in Rhode Island. So

911
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: I have a lot of positive feelings towards the Ocean State,

912
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: and I'm really excited to see what they what they

913
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: turned that franchise into. And everyone keeps.

914
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: Asking RD Island and people keep asking like where are

915
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: they going to be filming?

916
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: But the whole state is so small you can drop

917
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 4: the whole thing in an hour. So I think they're

918
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 4: going to be filming all over, you know. I just

919
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: think that it's going to be There's gonna be people

920
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: in cran and there's gonna be people in Narraganza, and

921
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 4: there's gonna be people in Newport and Warwick, and Providence.

922
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 4: I just think they're gonna be everywhere. I can't wait

923
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 4: to see how it all turns down. And it's gonna

924
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: be fun. I think, to have another East Coast franchise

925
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: in a place that kind of like Potomac right where

926
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: people didn't really know anything about or you know, and

927
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 4: and get to see a whole group of people, you know.

928
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: I keep I always like waiting for Boca or Long

929
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: Island or like the obvious choices. It's so interesting to

930
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: me that they they and I'm like Rhode Island.

931
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: I think I think that the network is probably staring

932
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: clear of any ethnic shows that have to do with

933
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: any kind of wars right now, you know, because in

934
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: terms of like Boca and Long Islands, you know, I

935
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: think that.

936
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: Motions tied to all of that, you know, for years,

937
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: So I thought, like, what about Boca. It's so to

938
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: me it was just like it was prime primed for.

939
00:45:59,440 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: I don't know.

940
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: I think it's very Republican and I don't know that

941
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: that's Bravo's brand in Boca.

942
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: Well, again, it becomes it becomes political in ways that

943
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: I always argue I don't really care about. I certainly

944
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 4: have my own political beliefs. But I like to watch

945
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: TV and feel like I'm looking into a window, not

946
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: into a mirror. I don't want to see me or

947
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 4: my life. It's very boring, you know, or my views.

948
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 4: I want to see people who have different perspectives on things.

949
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: And I think we all need to be a lot

950
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 4: less judgmental and critical. I think we sort of need to.

951
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: Like, Amen, Amen.

952
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: You're talking to somebody who deleted all in social media

953
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 4: and hasn't been online in two years.

954
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 2: I can't believe that you haven't been back yet. That's

955
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 2: amazing to me. I love it because of it.

956
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 4: God, yeah, much very much. So I've stopped. I have

957
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 4: no idea what anyone says about me, and it's lovely.

958
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: Really, I love it.

959
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: By the way, I was listening to Watchful Crappens the

960
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: other day and they were saying they they mentioned you,

961
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: and they were like.

962
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave Quentin disappeared, like you're well go and like

963
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: he hasn't been seen since, but he's working away, he's

964
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: plugging away, but like no one knows where he is

965
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: where he is.

966
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: But I love that. What bad things, what anyone say

967
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: about you?

968
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: I can't even know, no one ever says a bad

969
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: word about you.

970
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 4: Oh, I know. I'll let you know. The people don't

971
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 4: like me, it's no problem, you know. The truth at

972
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 4: the end of the day is that I like me

973
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 4: and I just don't.

974
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 2: Really we love you.

975
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 4: I don't want to worry about all that stuff. And

976
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: if you have something to say about me, you better

977
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: say it behind my back because I don't care. I

978
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 4: don't want to know, and I would much prefer to, like,

979
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 4: you know, live in my own internal bliss of just

980
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 4: feeling happy about myself and not feeling stressed out of me.

981
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: I love it.

982
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: I do have to say I signed up of Instagram

983
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: when Finale was airing last year for a month, and

984
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: it was really freeing.

985
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: It was great.

986
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 4: It's wonderful to sort of be away from it. I

987
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: do think if if I had any I mean, you know,

988
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: I've given a lot of advice to housewives. I've given

989
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: both of you a lot of advice. Jackie, I met

990
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: you before your season started hearing Yeah, and gave you

991
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 4: this whole thing. I do think that, like the number

992
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 4: one thing that would be so helpful for every housewife

993
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 4: is not to be on social media. It's just like,

994
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 4: if you can afford to hire someone to post for you.

995
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: Just do that and just move forward and not look

996
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 4: at it.

997
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it doesn't even end on the show ends,

998
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: because I saw yesterday that Mia, well by the time

999
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: this airs, I'm not sure when this is airing, but

1000
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: Mia is now telling the cast of Potomac that they

1001
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: better not be talking about her or she'll sue them

1002
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: for defamation. And like it's just like you're, you're done,

1003
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: move on with the life, like you know they're going

1004
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: to talk about you, but like you know, it just

1005
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: stays and it weighs on you, and like it keeps

1006
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: you like aggravated.

1007
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: You know, picture like that being like if I logged

1008
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: off of not now because no one's really talking about

1009
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: me now, but like if I had logged off of

1010
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: social media because I'm always like, well, I'm gonna miss

1011
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: you know, the people in my life and just had

1012
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: like a private account with my non Housewives people, you know,

1013
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: the people that I always was on Facebook with their

1014
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: birthdays because it popped up on Facebook, Like that would

1015
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: be I could probably compromise in that way. I wouldn't

1016
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: feel so like I was, you know, missing out.

1017
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 4: It is I think, yeah, everywhere you go, people are

1018
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 4: going to ask you about this show. And that's the

1019
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: one thing that Caroline Manze said to me once that

1020
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: it really resonated with me. Or She's like, it's been

1021
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 4: sixteen years and people still ask me about a table

1022
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: flip that I didn't even do. Like for the rest

1023
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: of my life, people are going to be asking me

1024
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: about this stuff. And it's just you have to think

1025
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 4: of it that way. Is that like it there's no

1026
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: escape for you all. You're forever a part of this franchise.

1027
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 4: Whether you liked it or not, you signed up.

1028
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: I actually love that I loved it. I loved my

1029
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: experience on the show.

1030
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: There have been moments, of course, but I love the network,

1031
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: I love the show, and I don't mind being associated

1032
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: with it.

1033
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the thing I like. It's a mindset, right,

1034
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 4: It's like, if they're always going to be coming to

1035
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: me and talking to me about this thing, then I

1036
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: have to be able to live with it and to

1037
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 4: waist forward for it. So I recognize how difficult it

1038
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 4: is for everyone. That's why I am very proud of

1039
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 4: the fact that I've always sort of stayed in a positive,

1040
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 4: loving kindness mentality, and I.

1041
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: Think that's why everyone gravitates to you. I'm like, there

1042
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: will be times when I'm on the phone with Dave,

1043
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: We're like six housewives, they'll call through.

1044
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: You are. You are like a very calming and but

1045
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: like you know everything. You are the people magazine of

1046
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: the tabloids. Yes, like rise above, you are the fair,

1047
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: equitable and kind. Well, I guess People's not a tabloid,

1048
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying.

1049
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 4: No, of course I understand exactly what you mean, and

1050
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 4: I'm proud of that. Listen, I got to be able

1051
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 4: to put my head down at the end of the night.

1052
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 4: And I think that there's no there's nothing wrong with

1053
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 4: fans wanting to have fun with all of this. It

1054
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 4: is entertainment, I get it. But I do think that

1055
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: there's a line cross that often happens where they don't

1056
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 4: really understand the difference between like the silly and the

1057
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 4: you know, serious, and they get really intense, and I

1058
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: feel pretty bad for them. They did it towards me.

1059
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 4: There were there were death rumors. By the way, when

1060
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 4: I Instagram, I don't know, there were there were Reddit

1061
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: boards and people were sending me told me scared out

1062
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 4: of their mind that I killed myself. I was like, no, sorry,

1063
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 4: look pretty good for a dead bitch.

1064
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I could ask you questions all day, Jen,

1065
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,479
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else?

1066
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: A million more? I know I really do too. But

1067
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: I think I think this was wait wait because you

1068
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: had something. You and I talked about something.

1069
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: Jack.

1070
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: I want to know, like you said, like, who is

1071
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: who do you think is the best housewife?

1072
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: Best housewife of all time? Taking me and Jen out

1073
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: of it. You know, obviously I.

1074
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: Don't think you.

1075
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 4: I mean I long have people that I would put

1076
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 4: on my mount rushmore of housewives that I think are

1077
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: really good housewives. I really am a respector villain sort

1078
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 4: of a guy. You know. I look at people like

1079
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: Lisa Renna and I you know, I appreciate what they

1080
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 4: brought to the show because I know how hard it

1081
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: is to be the messy person, and I think that

1082
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 4: they advance storyline in that way, and I look towards

1083
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 4: people like that. The one I relate the most too

1084
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: is Caroline Manzo. She's just always been my go to

1085
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: favorite housewife because she reminds me a lot of you know,

1086
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 4: my Italian family and sort of what I look for

1087
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: in a person that loyalty, that like love and that

1088
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: unconditional love kids, which just really yeah, you know, I

1089
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 4: love that answer.

1090
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: I would have not thought that you would have said that.

1091
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: I would have not that. But there's a lot of

1092
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: absolute sense.

1093
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's a lot of different things. I mean,

1094
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any bad housewise. The truth is

1095
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 4: like even the ones that people don't like, I've been like,

1096
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: there's stuff I can find it in them that I

1097
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 4: find enjoyable to watch.

1098
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of one and done's that I

1099
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: don't agree with. I think they should have stuck around,

1100
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: even like Noela on Ocean County, like I thought she

1101
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: was chuck four.

1102
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: I do get that. Why did she get fired? She

1103
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: was cuckoo in the kookiest way. I don't Orange County.

1104
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: I keep calling it Oceans That's okay.

1105
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 4: Sometimes there's a thing as much too much storyline. I

1106
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 4: think bron Wind and Burke out with the same situation,

1107
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 4: like there's too much storyline for the audience to digest,

1108
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 4: and it becomes really it feels very manufactured. Mea as

1109
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: somebody else who dealt with that too much going on

1110
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 4: in their lives. You know, you are like and I mean,

1111
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 4: you need to slowly peel it back and she'll be

1112
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 4: a fired I don't think so. I think that they

1113
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 4: would have filmed with me again, but I think Mia

1114
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: wasn't living in Potomac anymore, so that sort of makes

1115
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: it hard to be on the Real Housewives of Potomac.

1116
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.

1117
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: But I don't know for sure. I didn't really inquire

1118
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 4: about that one.

1119
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: This is just a personal thing. Where do you What

1120
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 2: do you think of Bethany?

1121
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 4: Oh, it's so funny. Bethany is was and I think

1122
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 4: many people feel the same way when you first watched

1123
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: her on Housewives, Like was the character that we all

1124
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 4: fell in love with because she was such a voice

1125
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 4: of the people and it felt like her perspective on

1126
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 4: things were so funny and so entertaining and so right on.

1127
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 4: And she's continued to be somebody who has like used

1128
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 4: social media, and you know, well after the show left,

1129
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 4: found a way to continue being that voice of the people.

1130
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 4: I'm entertained by it. She's always been really lovely to me.

1131
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 4: She didn't do my book very famously refused to do

1132
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 4: the book, but then talked a lot of shit about it,

1133
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 4: which made the sales go up. So thanks Bethany for that.

1134
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm surprised you're a fan.

1135
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 4: Well, you know again, like what is.

1136
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 2: Lots of people are lots of people are fans of hers?

1137
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: What is it going to cost me being I don't know.

1138
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: I guess that at the end of the day, there's

1139
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 4: not really a lot of people I'm not a fan of. Yeah,

1140
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 4: you know, it's just that I would say there's two

1141
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: or three of them that I pretty much don't like

1142
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 4: off camera, that I don't really like on camera, and

1143
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 4: they are and there are my connection just.

1144
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: Beler, Metsy, Patsy, well, Dave, we love you and thank

1145
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on.

1146
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: Will you come on again any time?

1147
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 4: Seriously, I love you both so so much and I'm

1148
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 4: so grateful. At the end of the day, no matter

1149
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 4: what happens to Jersey, you're all icons in my eyes,

1150
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 4: and I'm so grateful for all the incredible entertainments that

1151
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 4: you've given us as viewers.

1152
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, and we're grateful for you as well,

1153
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: to say the least. Thanks Dave, thank you,