1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Simis podcast. We are 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: so excited because it's the finale and recapping the finale 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: is always so fun and there's so much to talk 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: about about last night's episode. Congratulations to Kelsey and Joey. 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 2: I mean I was rooting for Kelsey this entire time. 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: They just for so cute and perfect together. And how 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: freaking stunning is that girl? She is a nineties supermodel. 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: Ben is here. He might be a little in and 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: out of this episode because he's doing some talk up 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: in the mountains of Colorado. He's literally in a cabin 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: right now. He told us that the original Walt Disney 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: signed the cabin walls that he's in right now. Yeah, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: I can't see the original Disney. Not to be confused 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: with Mickey Mouse, not Mickey. 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: The Walt Disney. But I'm pumped to be here. We 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: have a great group of panelists, right, I mean, this 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: is just a lot of opinions. I can't wait to 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 3: hear all the different opinions. Yep. 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: So we have Rachel Rekia, who was in the audience 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: last night. We got to watch it live while be 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: asking her about the commercial break behind the scenes. And 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: then we have Susie Evans and Justin Glaize, our favorite 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 2: new bachelor, adorable, adorable couple, and everybody's joining us early 26 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: on the West Coast, and thank you guys for that. 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: Ben's like, Ashley, why is eight am early? Like it's 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: early to get to be like on a screen at 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: eight am is hard? All right, let's start at the 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: very beginning. That would be let the meet, the family 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: meet and greets. All right, so Joe and his family 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: meet Daisy first. Rachel, what's your take? 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I thought it went really well. I thought 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: both of the women fit in really well with the family. 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: I think always Mom went a little hard on Daisy 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 4: at the beginning. I was getting a little nervous, but 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 4: I think it went really really well. 38 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: Wait, how so am I completely forgetting something? 39 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: There was like a part where like Daisy was talking 40 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 4: about her feelings, and she was just kind of like, well, 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 4: you're one of two, like there's someone else here, and 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 4: I was like, you know, we could have just focus 43 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 4: on Daisy in that moment. But then I think they 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 4: ended up having like a really good conversation by the 45 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: end of it. 46 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, by the end of it, she said, I'd be 47 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: honored for you to be my daughter in law. Both 48 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: of them are crying, and I was like, oh my gosh, 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: that was quite a moment. So c justin, Susie, anything 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: else you think worth mentioning in that family meet and greet? 51 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel a great. 52 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 5: Great I think I think Daisy killed it. 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 6: I feel like, once you tell the sisters and the 54 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 6: parents whatever, I feel like, once she said, if you 55 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 6: got down on Onedy, I'd say yes. The kind of 56 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 6: the guard came down and they're like, all right, she's 57 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 6: in it. And I think it was a bit of 58 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 6: hesitat on Kelsey's part. I think they said this is 59 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 6: probably because she was a little nervous. That probably would 60 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 6: have been me like it thinks like, how can you 61 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 6: know for sure? I mean at that point they want 62 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 6: you to know for sure. But I feel like that 63 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 6: kind of won Daisy over in their eyes. But both 64 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 6: of the women did really well with the with the 65 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 6: family met and greed. 66 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 7: I feel like, yeah, I felt like Joey's family loved 67 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 7: dat I mean loved both of them. But like the 68 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 7: I feel like the mom was getting choked up when 69 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 7: she was talking to Daisy. It was like I'd be honored. 70 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 7: I was like, oh my gosh, that's like I feel 71 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 7: like immediately they felt some kind of connection with her. 72 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 7: So I think it's got to be really hard when 73 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 7: you're that like for everybody, when you're that far at 74 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 7: the end and it's like everyone feels this special connection. 75 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 7: So I'm sure that was hard for everybody to watch back. 76 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: I think it's a classic scenario where they put that 77 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: moment in between Daisy and the mom because it was 78 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: such a powerful moment, and maybe there was one with Kelsey, 79 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: but usually they try to flip the switch and show 80 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: the runner ups family time to be a little bit 81 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: more emotional, just so that we're perhaps a little thrown off. 82 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: But I'm really glad that overall they didn't seem to 83 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: have a preference in the girls. They seem to like 84 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 2: both of them. And yeah, they gave Daisy the slight 85 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: advantage for saying like I'm ready for an engagement, but 86 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: even Kelsey later in the episode, like it was like, well, 87 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: that's just like she actually said it to the family too, 88 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: So that's not my goal right now, Like I want 89 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: to be with him like, yeah, I'm like, I'm just 90 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: not here at check off boxes like ready to get engaged, 91 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: like must get married soon. 92 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 7: And I love that take. I was like, that's so 93 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 7: mature of her for being so young. She's like, I 94 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 7: don't it sound like she's there for the ring or 95 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 7: just to get engaged, But she was like intentional, which 96 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 7: I love. 97 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like every other bachelor's dream because like 98 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: so many other bachelors don't really want to get engaged 99 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: at the end of it. But he was ready. 100 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 101 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: And he also said, you know episodes back with Lexi 102 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: that he wanted years before the actual wedding, and it 103 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: seems like him and Kelsey are really compatible there. That's great. 104 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: My question is how weird? I mean, I've never noticed. 105 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 3: I guess my parents went through and I could ask them, 106 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: But how weird does this have to be for the parents? 107 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: Like how do you do this moment? Well? Because you 108 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: want to give both women that you like, like the 109 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: validation of hey, I think you're amazing, but you also 110 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: know that like one of these women is not being 111 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: chosen and now your potential future daughter in law is 112 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 3: going to have to watch you, you know, give somebody 113 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: else approval as well. I mean this whole dynamic. I 114 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: think this episode was unique because both of them were 115 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: so loved. But I think it would be really hard 116 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: for the parents, like how do you or like how 117 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: do you enter into this and do it appropriately? Is it? 118 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: Do you feel like Joey's like mom and family really 119 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 3: did this appropriately? Oh? And like really like did it 120 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 3: the right way or is there a better way to 121 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: do it? 122 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 4: I think they did a great I think they gave 123 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 4: both the women like equal amount of like support, and 124 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 4: I think they were just looking to see like maybe 125 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 4: who he meshes with better. But I know when my 126 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 4: parents like went through it, they said they were like, 127 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 4: there is like no wrong decision. It's like whatever you feel, 128 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 4: We just wanted to like meet them. I feel like 129 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 4: they did really really well. 130 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they did well too. I think you 131 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: kind of have to realize that this is a normal 132 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: situation and that like it's just going to be weird 133 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: that like, yeah, your first encounter was they were approving 134 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: somebody else. 135 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I would agree. I mean, 136 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: I don't feel like Kelsey watching this back is going 137 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: to be like, oh my, you know, this really hurts me. 138 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: To see. It's just like, no, this is how it 139 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: had to happen. Had it down. 140 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's get to the one on one dates. 141 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: I do think that they were short. Kelsey even mentioned 142 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: that they were, particularly the daytime date was short, and 143 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: I was thinking, like, wow, maybe it was like maybe 144 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: an hour or two that they had during the day. 145 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: That's not a long time to spend together. But Daisy's 146 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: was like, let's get this over with. Like in my 147 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: both of them like didn't really want to be there. 148 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm well with Daisy. It was so obvious to me 149 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 2: that he was like, I feel so awkward at being 150 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: with this girl that I know I'm not going to pick. 151 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: And he kept saying, I don't know what I'm gonna do. 152 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I don't know what I'm gonna do. 153 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: But I'm like, yes, you do. I was almost wondering 154 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: whether they were using clips from like last week with 155 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: him saying he doesn't know what to do because or 156 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: they just didn't want a finale in which the bachelor 157 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: was giving everything away early on. I don't know. I 158 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: felt bad for him for like having to kind of 159 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: lead her on on that one on one. 160 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was kind of wondering if it was a 161 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 6: show type of thing to even have him go through 162 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 6: the night part of it and go through everything, because 163 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 6: it was pretty blatantly obvious, especially at the little stone 164 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 6: thingy at the end, where he was just like, you know, 165 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 6: I'm hoping for the best for both of us and 166 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 6: that we both find happiness. 167 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, the focus with Daisy was 168 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: all on like the it's just I have two amazing 169 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: women and I can't believe I have the decision. And 170 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: then with Kelsey, he wasn't. He was like, don't think 171 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: about the decision. 172 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: Right, don't worry. 173 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I think, Yeah, Daisy couldn't 174 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 7: even look at him on that date, like after she 175 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 7: heard that, it was like she couldn't even look at 176 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 7: him in his eyes, Like if he would look at her, 177 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 7: she'd look away. And I think the same thing was happening, 178 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 7: Like I think they both like couldn't meet eye to 179 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 7: eye in that moment because like it was probably just 180 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 7: so painful. But yeah, I think everybody knew, especially Daisy 181 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 7: at that moment. She's like, I think it's not me. 182 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: Were you surprised he didn't break up with her? During 183 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: the nighttime portion. 184 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 6: Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, I feel like if 185 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 6: I were in that position, and Joey may have wanted 186 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 6: to were requested to, but if that's a production thing where. 187 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: They're like, no, we're going this, We're going through it, 188 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: you know. 189 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 6: Because I feel like if I were in that position, 190 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 6: I wouldn't want to lead someone on. And if I 191 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 6: at the minute that I knew, I'd be like, all right, 192 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 6: let's just cut it here and move forward with who 193 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 6: I'm picking. But from a production standpoint, I'm sure they were. 194 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 3: Like, we need our show, you know. 195 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, So you never know what Joey was requesting or 196 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 6: wanting to do. 197 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 4: I felt so bad in the moment when she like 198 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 4: had that last attempt, because I think sometimes you know 199 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 4: when it's happening, but you like don't want to believe it. 200 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: And I think that's where Daisy was at, and she 201 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 4: told him that she was in love with him, and 202 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 4: I just remember he like the first thing he did 203 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 4: was like lean back. 204 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: His body language, his eye contact so off. 205 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: It was so oh my gosh, I was just cringing. 206 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 4: I felt horrible for her because what does she do 207 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: in that moment, Like I don't know. 208 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: I actually think that like she was, she wanted to 209 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: say it. She wanted to say it, let him know, 210 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: like she wanted it, like she said off her chest, 211 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: knowing that it wasn't her. I think she just wanted 212 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: to express it. And that's why her reaction wasn't even 213 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: like as painful as we thought it would be, because 214 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: if that was the reaction that I got, I would 215 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: be like, oh, right, I'm leaving the room now. I 216 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: feel like I'm gonna go crawl into a hole and die. 217 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 218 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: I would have cried there like that. Yeah, I would 219 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: have been like, okay, so like what's happening. I don't know. 220 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 4: I think it's so easy for us to look at 221 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 4: the situation and be like I would have done this, 222 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 4: but it was just such a horrible, like last chance date. 223 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: But that's why I think it was like I'm gonna 224 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: make peace, like I'm I'm at peace with this. It's 225 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: not me. I'm just going to express it. 226 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: I don't think this is the first time Daisy got 227 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: the sense that it wasn't her, though, Like I think, 228 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I do think it was hard, 229 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 3: and I think it was validation and it was not I, 230 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: I don't know who it was shocking to her, Like, 231 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: I think she kind of expected this to be the outcome. 232 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: Sadly. I think she's just in this mindset where she 233 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: thinks that she's just never chosen, so she was assuming. 234 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 4: I think everyone gets in their head too. Like when 235 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 4: I was going through it, I remember the entire time 236 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 4: just thinking it's not you because you're surrounded by so 237 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 4: many beautiful women, so maybe it's just like the environment too. 238 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: And then in the after the final rows we said that, 239 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: she even reveals she's Like I thought it wasn't going 240 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: to be me because I saw the way that the 241 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: two of you looked at each other at that final rosa. 242 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like the third Place rose ceremony. 243 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 7: That's tough. I mean, yeah, it sounds like maybe she 244 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 7: had an inkling, But I think I hadn't. I of 245 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 7: the viewer, hadn't seen the evidence until that little rock scene, 246 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 7: Like I think that that's when maybe she had Maybe 247 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 7: she did have an inkling before, but I feel like 248 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 7: that solidified it, and at least it did for me. 249 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 7: I feel like it would have been hard not to 250 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 7: know at that moment. 251 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: All Right, Well, let's go to the actual huge, as 252 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: Jesse would like to say, Bachelor history moment in which 253 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 2: the girls arrived at the Rose ceremony together, the alter moment, 254 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. But first Daisy gets 255 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: to Kelsey's room. What did you guys think about the 256 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: decision for her to go to Kelsey to judge where 257 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: her standing was. 258 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 7: I think it showed how much like they valued each 259 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 7: other and how strong their friendship was, because I think 260 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 7: it is risky, like to go and potentially disrupt somebody 261 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 7: else's experience and like risk putting their you know, mental 262 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 7: state in a bad place where if they were to 263 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 7: compare stories, it's like, Okay, well now I feel insecure, 264 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 7: now I'm anxious or whatever. So I feel like it 265 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 7: showed a lot of like the respect they had for 266 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 7: each other because they were able to navigate the conversation 267 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 7: respectfully and like. So I think that it ultimately was 268 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 7: a good decision. But I don't think it would have 269 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 7: worked for everybody. But I think they handled it so well, 270 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 7: and maybe Daisy just needed that last little bit of 271 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 7: information and somebody that she actually really trusted. I think 272 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 7: that's a big part of it too, is just like 273 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 7: having another person that's not production that they can like 274 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 7: bounce things off of. 275 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: Justin was your take. 276 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say it's it's definitely risky, and 277 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 6: I feel like it's a relationship to relationship type of thing. 278 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 6: Like not every pairing could have done that, because although 279 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 6: I didn't make it as far. 280 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: As your I mean, you know, I was like you 281 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: were second. 282 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I did have the same experience. 283 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, Kelsey, But I know, towards the end 284 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 6: with like even the last four of us, as close 285 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 6: as Greg and I were, and even Andrew for that 286 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 6: matter before he left, you know. 287 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: We at the beginning, it was all he he ha ha, 288 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: like how was your date? 289 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: Oh, you had a hot up date? 290 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 6: Funny like, and then it got to like the annie 291 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 6: were its Like I don't want to hear any of that. 292 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 6: So I can only imagine, you know, when it's literally 293 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 6: engagement week, I cannot imagine you know, as close as 294 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 6: we were, us me taking that or one of us 295 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,119 Speaker 6: taking that risk of being that close to a proposal 296 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 6: and being like comparing stories, right, because Daisy kind of 297 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 6: knew what she was coming to the conversation with, but 298 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 6: for Kelsey, she was like, for all I know, this 299 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 6: girl could be thinking she's the one as well, so 300 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 6: I feel like it's it was so risky. I think 301 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 6: Kelsey did a great job of like trusting it and 302 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 6: opening up and telling her straight how it was with 303 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 6: her and Joey, because I think, like like Suda said, 304 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 6: it really could have messed up her mental state if 305 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 6: was coming in being like I really think it's me 306 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 6: like it like how where are you at? 307 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: Kind of thing. But I think they both handled. 308 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 6: It really well. 309 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: Rachel, as someone who went through this completely with another girl, 310 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: how did you feel about this moment? 311 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: I loved it. 312 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 4: I that was my favorite moment of the whole season. 313 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 4: I loved the car ride on the way there and 314 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 4: the moment that they like exchanged before Daisy went down. 315 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 4: I think it just felt so genuine to me. I 316 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: think there's a lot of things that I can look 317 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 4: at and be like, oh, you know, production might have 318 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 4: pushed that or so they should go do this, But 319 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 4: I think that moment and their interaction was it was 320 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: really really a beautiful thing to watch and a really 321 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: great ending I think to a really good season. 322 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 3: You know what I think comes out of this and 323 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: a lot of people on this call could actually probably 324 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: speak into this, and I would love for you to 325 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: disagree with me if you feel this way. I actually 326 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: watched this scene and I said, this is actually going 327 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: to help Joey Kelsey's relationship. Now, Like this moment I 328 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: think actually helps a relationship, because I know from my 329 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: experience one of the hardest things was trying to explain 330 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: and help people understand the dynamics and why, you know, 331 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: somebody was chosen, why somebody wasn't, and how hard and 332 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: weird that day is and how emotional that day is 333 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: for everybody involved. And I felt like riding in the 334 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: car together and kind of coming into it as a team, 335 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: having an understanding seeing you know, the emotion on everybody's 336 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: faces is actually going to help Joey and Kelsey go no, 337 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: we can move on now like this, we we understand 338 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 3: where we're at. And I would love to hear from 339 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: you know, obviously Susan and Rachel, especially like, do you 340 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: agree with me there or do you think, no, this 341 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: this doesn't really you know, affect anything. 342 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 7: No, yeah, one hundred yeah, I think that that's I 343 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 7: think that's a huge part. I'm sure Rachel, when we 344 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 7: were on the show. I'm sure you've felt it and 345 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 7: saw it as well, like when things were airing, like 346 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 7: the world has so many opinions, and I feel like 347 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 7: when we were on the show, like everybody thought it 348 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 7: was like you and Clayton at the end, like I 349 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 7: feel like nobody thought that it was me, And so 350 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 7: when the world's like putting those opinions out there, like 351 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 7: I'm sure Kelsey's seen all season like Daisy at the 352 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 7: first one on one and like everybody thought it was Daisy. 353 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 7: I feel like for a really long time, and I 354 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 7: think even up until the finale, I think people were 355 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 7: really like thinking it was going to be Daisy and 356 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 7: until this last episode. So if I feel like it 357 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 7: probably was really good for Kelsey to be able to 358 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 7: like have that moment with Daisy and know that her 359 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 7: and Daisy are good and that her and Joey like 360 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 7: they they're all on the same page. Like Daisy felt it, 361 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 7: Joey felt it, and Kelsey was like, okay, like I 362 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 7: feel secure in this. So probably watching it back wasn't 363 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 7: as like weird when everyone's like, oh my gosh, it's 364 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 7: got to be Daisy. It's got to be Daisy because 365 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 7: and sit with Daisy. So she's like, no, I saw 366 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 7: what happened, and like, I understand this better. 367 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. 368 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 6: I feel like if I were to put myself in 369 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 6: Kelsey's shoes, even aside from that moment of them having dacent, 370 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 6: Kelsey having you know, that moment together, I feel like 371 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 6: I would feel a bit better regardless of that because 372 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 6: of how awkward it was between Daisy and Joey. You know, 373 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 6: I feel like as Kelsey watched in the back of 374 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 6: like okay, so he really was sure it was me. 375 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: It wasn't like a last minute like. 376 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Kelsey exactly exactly he was. 377 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: He was sure, you know, so. 378 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she never has to watch it. 379 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 6: Oh but it didn't hint or anything obviously. But I 380 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 6: think even without that, I would have been. 381 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 7: Like, okay, yeah, gave security. 382 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay. So I would have loved to see 383 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: the moment where they decided to go in the car together, 384 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: because that felt like it may have been a little 385 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 2: production y, because it would if if it truly was 386 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: the girl's idea, we would have seen it right. We 387 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: would have seen them being like Kelsey been like, you know, 388 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: do you want do you want to do this? With 389 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: somebody like do you want to do this with me? 390 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: And then got in the car together, and that would 391 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: have been cute. I just I wonder if there was 392 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: any sort of feeling from Kelsey like, oh, I want 393 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: this to be my own moment. 394 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 6: The music was nuts. 395 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: The music last day, it was nuts. The reveal from 396 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: the audience, the audience reactions to seeing the two of 397 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: them holding hands. I know when they did the two shot, but. 398 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 3: I loved it. 399 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 4: I think it's like it makes it better when you 400 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 4: go through it with someone, like I don't feel like 401 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 4: there's ever point where like like I need this moment, 402 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 4: because the moment is like you sitting in a car 403 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 4: with a producer, like sitting there nervous and then like 404 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 4: filming you by yourself. So I think going through it 405 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 4: with someone so much better, even if it was like 406 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 4: originally a production idea. I think their body language was 407 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 4: so obvious like that their friendship is so strong. 408 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: You also, though, Rachel, have a very unique perspective because 409 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: you've went through this whole thing with somebody else, like 410 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: both sides, you know, you always have had somebody there, 411 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: and you've done it so beautifully, Like I think that 412 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 3: has to take a unique season. There's so many seasons 413 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 3: I can think of, obviously from the past, like if 414 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: they had Nick Vile and sham Booth in the same 415 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 3: car riding together. 416 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: Like the Amazing TV. 417 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: I wish it would happen every season, Like I don't 418 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: just want it to happen when people get along and 419 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: when they're nice to each other. I want this to 420 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: happen when you're like, I hate you so much and 421 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: I want to punch you in the face, and now 422 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 3: I have to sit beside you the ultimate two on 423 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 3: one you Rachel, are like, no, it makes sense to 424 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 3: do this together. It's so much easier, so much better, 425 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: so much more fun to share stories with other people. 426 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 3: I think there's many seasons, probably most in my mind, 427 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: where this would have never worked like it would have 428 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 3: It would have been more awkward than it would have 429 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: been supportive. 430 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 4: It's funny because me and Gabby did ride in the 431 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 4: car together on the way to our engagement day, so 432 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 4: it was like, it's like, so fun. But yeah, I 433 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 4: guess I do have the like perspective of always doing 434 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 4: it with someone else is better. But I agree. I 435 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 4: think they should do this every single time now because 436 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: I want to see everyone sitting next to each other 437 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 4: on the final day. I think that's such a good take. 438 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: Good So, like what happened when they were like, all right, Daisy, 439 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: you get out of the car first, because everybody always 440 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: looks out for that chew the bottom of the dress 441 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: who's stepping out of the van first, because that's the 442 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: person who's getting dumped. So did Daisy just say like, okay, 443 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: this is my I will get out of the car now, 444 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: I'll go down and I'll tell him I know it's 445 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: not me goodbye. 446 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 6: That what I was I was like, was Kelsey just 447 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 6: waiting in the cars like it'll be quick, don'try? 448 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what is Kelsey going ims? I'm like, I 449 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: wouldn't focus on anything, like what is she doing in 450 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: the meantime? 451 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: Also, did Kelsey just get away with having like the 452 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: least nerve wracking which is the alter moment of all time? 453 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: Like she just got to pull up and be. 454 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 3: Like it's me, I guarantee Justin's riding on. How this 455 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 3: played out? Right? They both got there, they both got 456 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: of the car, they both went to itms and then 457 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 3: one of like you needn't know who got pulled back 458 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 3: first or last, you got no clue if you were 459 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: gone or not. 460 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: Okay, But then Kelsey didn't have to do a little 461 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: speech at the altar. It was just Joey proposing in 462 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: the mostly in a classic standard way. She didn't have 463 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: to suprocate. Oh so, I think so they either cut 464 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: that out, which definitely is a possibility, or or it 465 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 2: was just everybody knew everybody was away of the situation. 466 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: I think Ben knows more than he's late leading on 467 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: right now. 468 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 3: No, I don't know she gave a speech or not. 469 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: But do you do you think that they all knew? 470 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm assuming she gave a speech. I 471 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: don't think. I think how we saw it on television, 472 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 3: it felt like it was very clear obviously of what 473 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 3: was happening. I don't think the two women involved knew 474 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: at all was happening until Daisy got back and was like, hey, 475 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: you know, and she said all the beautiful things to Kelsey. 476 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 3: She walked down and saw Kelsey like I think that 477 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 3: was the moment they both knew. Like that, Kelsey at 478 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: least knew of Hey, this this is gonna be me. 479 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: But I'm sure she gave a speech. I'm sure it 480 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: felt very like familiar like it has every season, but 481 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 3: they cut it out that they had to have cut it. 482 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: You don't just get up there and stand there and 483 00:23:53,160 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: be like, all right, my point, nothing is going on plan. 484 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 4: So maybe she was just like, okay, what do we 485 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: do at this point? Like it is also unorthodox up 486 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 4: to this point. 487 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously Kelsey did go down. She knew 488 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: when she yes, you said, like they said goodbye at 489 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 2: the van, so like of course when she actually walked down, 490 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: she did not feel any nerves. I mean, I gulse 491 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: you could always say the possibility that he was gonna 492 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: dump it, that he wasn't gonna dump it, like we 493 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: all know this. She knew this, and then it just 494 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 2: let's just point out that it was a very emotional 495 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: moment when Daisy hugs Kelsey and says, I know your 496 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 2: mom is looking down on you so sweet. 497 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, let's not be naive here. A lot of 498 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: people hear everybody here, I guess, other than my wonderful 499 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: co host has been a part of a fantasy suite 500 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 3: before I. 501 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: Had been part of two fantasy suits. 502 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 3: You bad, I said, justin ads, Yeah, in paradise. I'm 503 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: talking like on the show that we're talking about. You've 504 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 3: never been a part of a fantasy sweet Justin, Nah, 505 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 3: I got tossed right before it. Oh dang, okay, well, 506 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: well then there's. 507 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 6: Three of us all how Blake as Blake had his 508 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 6: and I guess it was so magical it wasn't worth 509 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 6: going through. 510 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 3: He was like, I'm actually good, No need to proceed. Yeah, okay, 511 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: well three of us here. There's things said in the 512 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: fantasy Suite that probably gave Kelsey a lot of confidence 513 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: that it was going to be her at the end. 514 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 6: Not a throws shade at her guy, because I think 515 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 6: he's great, But Gary also apparently said some promising things. 516 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: So you can never go by just a pillow talk exactly. 517 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 3: So you're right, that's a good point, Justin, because here 518 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: a season ago we had a lot of women confused 519 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 3: because like he said it was me, He said it 520 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: was me, He said it was me, and then he 521 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 3: was like, ah, but I do feel like most times 522 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: there is some validation given in the fantasy suite that 523 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 3: allows you some confidence walking into there's still nerves because 524 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: you feel like, what if something's changed, what if they 525 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 3: had a really great day and he doesn't feel like 526 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: we did, or she doesn't feel like we did, or whatever. 527 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 3: But I don't think Kelsey was was surprised that it 528 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: was her. I think she was hoping that his words 529 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 3: held weight coming from the fantasy suite is what I'll say. Yeah, yeah, 530 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: which is the way it should be. Honestly, I don't 531 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: think anybody should have a problem with that. It's like, 532 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: you're gonna engage your fiance. Should have some like validation 533 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 3: and confidence going into that day. They should not be 534 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: a complete shocker to them. They should not be worried 535 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: about you know too much. They should be like, no, 536 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 3: he cares about me, he loves me. Let's let's make 537 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 3: this thing happen. 538 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, But then you get the people that go then 539 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: you go in the fantay sistite after that talk, and 540 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 2: then you sleep with somebody else, and it's like, well, 541 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: if you told me it was me, why did you 542 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: sleep with her? 543 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 4: Or you do it? 544 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: You know, they did the jestin and say hey, actually 545 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 3: I'm good. That's how you avoid all that. 546 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 7: All that. 547 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: Was okay, guys, anything else to talk about with this 548 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: first half of the episode before we get into in 549 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: the next episode, The Bachelorette announcement, because that is going 550 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: to be quite the conversation. 551 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 7: Can I throw out a conspiracy theory that I thought 552 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 7: was happening? 553 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: I love comes seriracy theories, and yes, Ben and I 554 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: have our own. 555 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 7: Okay, so I just obviously didn't happen. But there was 556 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 7: this part of me that maybe this is the part 557 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 7: of me that just deeply doesn't trust reality TV. But 558 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 7: I was like, is this all a huge setup for 559 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 7: Daisy to go down and do this and it was 560 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 7: actually her the whole time? And then they have to 561 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 7: like it's like a whole like I was waiting for 562 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 7: it to be a major singer and then Kelsey's up 563 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 7: at the top thinking that she's the one, and then 564 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 7: Daisy has just I was like kind of low key 565 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 7: sick in the back of my head thinking about like 566 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 7: what if this is what is going to happen. 567 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 5: But I also wondered like if Daisy was like, I 568 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 5: know it was not me, and he's like, yes it is, yeah, 569 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 5: like what happened and She's like I just told Kelsey 570 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 5: like it's not me, and now it is and now 571 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 5: I actually do love him, so like yeah, yeah, like 572 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 5: that would have been she had. 573 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 7: To go back up there and be like, I'm so sorry, 574 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 7: Like I had this completely Like I was thinking about 575 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 7: in my head. I was like, what if production let 576 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 7: them do this, then it would be the biggest twist 577 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 7: of all time actually, because I was like, what's this 578 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 7: big twist going to be? 579 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd been Do you want to explain what our 580 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 2: theory was going to be? 581 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a theory we had, but I also 582 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 3: agree with you that would have been wild, and it 583 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 3: also would have made sense for how much they built 584 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 3: up this ending that was. It was different, but it 585 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: wasn't like that different. It wasn't uniquely different than other seasons. 586 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: We've seen stuff similar in the same vein. What Ashley 587 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: and I actually thought there was going to happen was 588 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 3: that Kelsey was gonna feel like the default option, especially 589 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 3: to the viewer. So Daisy gets down and she's like, hey, 590 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: it's you know, it's obviously you know I got to go. 591 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 3: This isn't going to work between us and Joey's on 592 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 3: the eye and standing there at. 593 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: The you know, yeah, like they were gonna make it 594 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: look like he was really upset about that. 595 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: And then it was like Kelsey comes down, He's like, 596 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 3: I guess it's you, which I'm so glad they didn't 597 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: because that would have absolutely won. It would have really 598 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 3: made like I think viewers upset because we would have 599 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: been like, wait, so is it a love story or 600 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: is it like not? And then I think it would 601 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 3: have been really hard and I never want to under 602 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: uh speak to this, especially for the people listening. It'd 603 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 3: been really hard on the couple if that's how they 604 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: made it look, because no matter what, then Joey be 605 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: like trying and explain to Kelsey like, no, it really 606 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 3: always was to you, and this was the way it seemed. 607 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 3: So I'm glad that went it did. But that's what 608 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 3: Ashley and I thought was gonna happen, was that Kelsey 609 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 3: was like the default because Daisy leaves. 610 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, both terrifying. We're so glad that they made it 611 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: that it was as happy ending as it could have been. Okay, well, 612 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: let's take a little pause here and we're going to 613 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: regroup everyone, and we're going to talk about the after 614 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: the final rowse and most importantly the Bachelorette selection. We 615 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: will see you next time. 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