WEBVTT - The Bugatti Veyron: the Quest to Outrun Gravity

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hey Eddie here, before we get started, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>or at Pushkin dot Fm. The year is two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five. I'm thirty four years old and on assignment

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<v Speaker 1>for Men's Journal, a magazine dedicated to the fantasies that

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<v Speaker 1>prowl the hallways of young men's minds. Climbing everest, eating fugu,

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<v Speaker 1>dazzling women's old factories with your new bottled musk. That

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. My brief, then, is fittingly fantastical. I

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<v Speaker 1>am to drive a brand new high performance car for

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<v Speaker 1>two days down the California Coast from Carmel by the

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<v Speaker 1>Sea on the Monterey Peninsula down to the La Basin,

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<v Speaker 1>then report back. I can do this, I told myself.

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<v Speaker 1>My route would include America's most celebrated coastal road, California

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<v Speaker 1>Highway One aka the Pacific Coast Highway, the mythical PC

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<v Speaker 1>IF you've driven it, you know that PC is an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing piece of winding, rhythmic asphalt. It unfolds like a

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<v Speaker 1>fable under a great canopy of redwoods. It is perfect

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<v Speaker 1>for small, nimble sports cars like Mazdamiata's and Subaru br Z's,

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<v Speaker 1>where power is less critical than handling and flow. But

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<v Speaker 1>the car I was driving that day in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five felt neutered and bridled on PC's densely treed switchbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>too wide, too powerful, too magnetize to the pavement. I

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<v Speaker 1>was never really able to incork it. There was two

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<v Speaker 1>little distance between the curves to exercise this car, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was growing frustrated. Then south of San Luis Obispo,

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<v Speaker 1>I drove Inland on the one oh one four lanes

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<v Speaker 1>of Primo Callie Concrete. I opened it up. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>most really fast cars, when you hit the accelerator, the

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<v Speaker 1>scenery blurs and the cars you pass received gracefully in

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<v Speaker 1>your rear view mirror. But when I hit the gas

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<v Speaker 1>in this car, the scenery didn't blur. It bent in

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<v Speaker 1>my vertiguously linear ascent to the upper reaches of the spedometer.

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<v Speaker 1>The cars I passed didn't recede in any graceful paget No,

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<v Speaker 1>the cars behind me just disappeared, vaporized, not even specs

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<v Speaker 1>in the mirror. It was low scale time travel, a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hyperspace effect. The car I was driving the one,

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<v Speaker 1>the only Bugatti Veyron. I'm Eddie Alterman in this is

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<v Speaker 1>Car Show. In this episode, we will explore the Bugatti

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<v Speaker 1>Veyron and how it was able to break every automotive

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<v Speaker 1>barrier that ever existed, and some human barriers too. It

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<v Speaker 1>had a thousand and one horsepower, a thousand at a

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<v Speaker 1>time when the top series production Ferrari had five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen. It costs more than one million dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>that Ferrari's paltry two hundred and fifteen thousand, and it

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<v Speaker 1>radically re oriented our relationship to speed. The Veyron is

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when unlimited money and colossal ego meet the

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<v Speaker 1>hardest automotive engineering questions ever raised. That drive down PC

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and five wasn't my first encounter with

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<v Speaker 1>the Veyron. I saw the car in person a good

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<v Speaker 1>two years before that road trip, but in much the

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<v Speaker 1>same setting. Carwheek is officially bad. The deafening sounds of

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<v Speaker 1>classic cars taking center stage on Alvarado's rail, exciting car

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<v Speaker 1>enthusiasts of all ages. Every year, the Monterey Peninsula hosts

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<v Speaker 1>a vintage car celebration known as Car Week. My friend

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<v Speaker 1>Mercedes Benz Pierre Supremo Rob Moran calls this week cars

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<v Speaker 1>at their best, people at their worst, and indeed it

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<v Speaker 1>is a miasma of obscene wealth, jaw dropping cars, and

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<v Speaker 1>state of the art plastic surgery. The acne of Monterey

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<v Speaker 1>Car Week is the Pebble Beach concord to elegance that

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<v Speaker 1>happens on Sunday, but Friday and Saturday are dominated by

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<v Speaker 1>the vintage car races at WeatherTech Raceway, right over the

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<v Speaker 1>hill from Pebble Beach. When I got to the racetrack

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<v Speaker 1>that Saturday, I saw a huge dove gray shipping container

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<v Speaker 1>with the burgundy Bugatti logo on its side. This was

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<v Speaker 1>to be the first public running of the Veyron, the

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<v Speaker 1>first demonstration of its metaphysical capabilities. The assembled journalist had

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<v Speaker 1>popped their popcorn. The moment was vibrating with anticipation. The

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<v Speaker 1>Veyron made its way onto the track. From where I

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<v Speaker 1>was standing on the backstraight leading into turn one, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw the black and red coop streak by sounding like

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<v Speaker 1>some chimera of an F eighteen and a rhinoceros. It

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<v Speaker 1>cleaved the air, It just reeked of lethality, and then

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<v Speaker 1>instead of making the left hand corner and staying on

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<v Speaker 1>the track, it spun right into the gravel track, a

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<v Speaker 1>nimbus of tawny dust. This was highly embarrassing to the

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<v Speaker 1>man in charge of Bugatti's parent company, the Volkswagen Group,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Veyron was a product of his monomaniacal vision.

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<v Speaker 1>He fired just about everyone associated with that moderate misshapp

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<v Speaker 1>and installed a new team to bring the Veyron to

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<v Speaker 1>the road. The man's name was doctor Ferdinand Peck. He

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<v Speaker 1>cut and thrust his way through his family's corporate labyrinth

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<v Speaker 1>to become chairman of the Volkswagen Group. Once there, he

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<v Speaker 1>built it into the greatest carmaking juggernaut the world had

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen. It made nineteen fifties general motors look like

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<v Speaker 1>young brands. To Volkswagen and Audie. He added Bentley, Lamborghini,

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<v Speaker 1>Portia and Bugatti. He was a slight but fearsome man.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked like a German tank commander, ice blue eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>close crops, scalp very deliberate in his small economical movements.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom McDonald, the former head of VW Group PR in

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies and eighties, worked closely with PC and experienced

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<v Speaker 1>his unique management style. His rule was law. He fired

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<v Speaker 1>more of his direct reports, let's say, than probably any

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<v Speaker 1>other executive in the history of the automotive industry. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember the first time you met him. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 1>were doing an Audi five thousand pre dealer meeting before

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<v Speaker 1>the launch and I met him there and he had

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<v Speaker 1>this very early I would say, weird look. Somebody called

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<v Speaker 1>it Betty Davis eyes. I mean, he had this strange

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<v Speaker 1>look on his face, and he'd be talking to you

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<v Speaker 1>and he'd turn away and you kind of thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>am I done as he finished or what. Tom was

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<v Speaker 1>the head of PR for the Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche

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<v Speaker 1>brands when the OUTI five thousand started becoming notorious for

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<v Speaker 1>the phenomenon of unintended acceleration, that is, going when it's

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<v Speaker 1>driver thought she was stopping. Great car, very advanced, and

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly in a pot of very hot water, people were

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<v Speaker 1>driving them into swimming pools. People were getting hit. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>how PK, the head of Audie at the time reacted

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<v Speaker 1>to the issue. So p was getting involved at the

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<v Speaker 1>very highest level and it became an absolute nightmare. Had

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<v Speaker 1>to go over to Germany several times to give her

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<v Speaker 1>presentation to PK and the board. What the status was,

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<v Speaker 1>what the PR, what our communication strategy was, what were

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<v Speaker 1>we doing offset it from an engineering point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>from a PR point of view, a marketing advertise point

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<v Speaker 1>of view. And Pier was saying there and he'd listen

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<v Speaker 1>and listen and as system, the problem is your stupid

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<v Speaker 1>Americans don't know how to drive. Oh no, holy crap. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well no, sir, It's not that. P rarely spoke. He

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<v Speaker 1>never carried cash. Reports vary, but he sired either twelve

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<v Speaker 1>or thirteen children from four women. He once threatened to

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<v Speaker 1>fire all of VW's body engineers if they didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the tolerances between the body panels on their cars down

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<v Speaker 1>to an exceedingly tight three millimeters in six weeks. He

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<v Speaker 1>was obsessive, demanding, strange, and antisocial. Suffice it to say

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<v Speaker 1>that he didn't have many arguments with underlings. This P guy. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>forgive me if I go off piece here for a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to celebrate him as a person. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a version of the artist conundrum applied to carmaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Artists have been forgiven for nauseating behavior because we have

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<v Speaker 1>long value the public output more than the private interpersonal damage.

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<v Speaker 1>That's changing. Finally, you won't see many more Bill Cosby's

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<v Speaker 1>stand up specials on HBO. We have to confront p

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<v Speaker 1>K the same way we have to square the artist

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<v Speaker 1>against the art. But there's very little recourse when someone's dead.

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<v Speaker 1>So at this moment, the question that most interests me

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<v Speaker 1>is can we get p X kind of brilliance without

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<v Speaker 1>the antisocial behavior. I don't know if we can. It's

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<v Speaker 1>tied to power and the unbridling of social limits it affords. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we have no record of any specific p X trespasses.

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<v Speaker 1>People didn't talk about him, and he rarely did interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>But stories like the one Tom told aren't great stupid

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<v Speaker 1>American driver. Just as in good marketing, imperiousness enables the

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<v Speaker 1>vision and what Piek wanted to build. The car he

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<v Speaker 1>invested with all his power and brilliance would be nothing

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<v Speaker 1>less than the capstone of his career. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>hard to beat what he'd already accomplished. He helped develop

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<v Speaker 1>the Portion nine eleven and the Lamong winning nine seventeen simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the guy behind Audie's Quatro system. He was maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest automotive industrialist that ever lived. Henry Ford be damned,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to go out by building the most

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<v Speaker 1>astonishing car in the world, a car that defied physics,

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention logic and economics. That was his vision

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<v Speaker 1>for the Veyron. Once you experience it, you don't forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like your fondest lover, always lingering in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of your mind, a distant channel emitting a faint hum.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could have cured when to drive for

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, to be back on that stretch of one

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<v Speaker 1>on one south of San Luis Obisbo. But these cars

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<v Speaker 1>are impossible to find. They don't exactly have them at

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<v Speaker 1>the Hurtz Gold Counter. They are all squirreled away in collections.

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<v Speaker 1>In the eighteen years since the car came out, I

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<v Speaker 1>have never seen one on the road. To get up

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<v Speaker 1>close and personal, we had to make a pilgrimage to

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<v Speaker 1>the Peterson Automotive Museum in Los Angeles. Here I am

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<v Speaker 1>with my producer Sam in their second floor gallery, so

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<v Speaker 1>cool there. It is the very ron So it is

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get a sense of how small it is

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<v Speaker 1>when it's up on the slinth like this. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>basically just shrink wrapped around the engine and transmission. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it is just a it's a very small car.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of like the size of an Audi TT

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<v Speaker 1>or something. The presence is gigantic, but the size is small.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's a back of an envelope drawing by doctor Peck.

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<v Speaker 1>He sketched an eighteen cylinder engine on an envelope while

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<v Speaker 1>riding on a train in Japan. This turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be a sixteen cylinder engine with four turbos on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but the idea was to go big from the start.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to the Peterson because the museum had recently

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<v Speaker 1>mounted a hypercar's exhibit featuring the Bugatti. So what is

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<v Speaker 1>a hypercar? A hypercar is not merely a sports car,

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<v Speaker 1>some bauble for the wealthiest ten percent. It's not merely

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<v Speaker 1>a supercar for the ostentatious one percent. A hypercar is

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<v Speaker 1>a car that seems to defy possibility, sanity, and decorum.

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<v Speaker 1>A car for the point zero zero zero one percent.

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<v Speaker 1>A hypercar is of that rare class of machine that

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<v Speaker 1>has le avishly hand constructed, ultra rare, sickly capable, and

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<v Speaker 1>grossly expensive, a car worthy of being celebrated in museum galleries.

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<v Speaker 1>Hypercars are atomic wedges, winged pizza slices, MiGs on wheels.

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<v Speaker 1>In pet terms, the supercar is to the golden retriever

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<v Speaker 1>as the hypercar is to the Zebra. You need Zebra

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<v Speaker 1>money to own one. And the car that started at all,

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<v Speaker 1>the very first true hypercar, the car that created the

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<v Speaker 1>category was p X Veyron, the million dollars car. The

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<v Speaker 1>hypercar exhibit at the Peterson had super rare cane eg

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<v Speaker 1>Zaggs and La Ferraris and Hennessy venoms, but the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing that greets you when you enter the gallery is

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<v Speaker 1>the Bugatti, the centerpiece. The Bugatti has long been enshrined,

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<v Speaker 1>and sung I was ahead of Bugatti. Batt I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what now it is enshrined in the halls of

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<v Speaker 1>automotive history. Excellent curating, gents, this is car show. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back with a Veyron after the break back at

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<v Speaker 1>the Peterson. We are in the thrall of this beautifully

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<v Speaker 1>lit brown Bugatti. Many many cows were killed for this interior.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is exquisitely done. Everything is leather wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>or real metal or real carbon fiber or titanium. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just exquisite, exquisite materials and everything you touch is heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels great, and this car is super heavy. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you see references to any of other of px kind

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<v Speaker 1>of calling cards in this or is this a true

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<v Speaker 1>original for him? Well, it's funny because Bugatti was an

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<v Speaker 1>Alsatian brand pre war at Tory Bugatti the carmaker. His

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<v Speaker 1>cars were beautifully French, They were live, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>terrific flowing bodywork. Even the race cars had these beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>boat tails and they were really elegant. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more German like the widest part of the

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<v Speaker 1>car is at the base. It just feels very planted,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's more of a German styling vernacular. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more like if you imagine the most insane

0:17:58.676 --> 0:18:02.476
<v Speaker 1>Portia nine to eleven of all time, it's kind of this, right,

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<v Speaker 1>got it? So, Eddie, how would you describe the experience

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<v Speaker 1>of driving it? Disorienting? Crazy. It's the fact that it's

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<v Speaker 1>so heavy adds to the sensation of momentum and speed,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, how is this thing that is so

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<v Speaker 1>heavy and so kind of a nert feeling going this quickly?

0:18:22.196 --> 0:18:25.916
<v Speaker 1>How is it kind of reversing time? It goes so fast,

0:18:25.956 --> 0:18:28.876
<v Speaker 1>it's like reversing the rotation of the Earth. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's weird, Like you see how menacing it looks, just

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<v Speaker 1>sitting still. It's wild. I had this thought like when

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<v Speaker 1>we came around to the front of it, like like

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<v Speaker 1>what if it was like bearing down on you? It

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<v Speaker 1>would be the hell out of the way. Yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sinister. It's almost hard for your mind to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>itself around the extremes of this thing, the extreme luxury

0:18:52.356 --> 0:18:57.396
<v Speaker 1>and the extreme performance. It's totally totally maxed out. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this our guy? Yeah? Hey, how are you Patrick? How's

0:19:02.156 --> 0:19:06.036
<v Speaker 1>it going doing well yourself? Good? Good? This is Patrick Thomas.

0:19:06.636 --> 0:19:09.676
<v Speaker 1>He works for the Peterson Museum. He looks like the

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<v Speaker 1>lost beach Boy, a clean cut Wilson relative. He's the

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<v Speaker 1>Peterson's resident Veyron fiend. So we wanted to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>some questions about the Veyron. Are you a Veyron head

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit? And so kind of why I like

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<v Speaker 1>cars so much? As I first saw this growing up. Really. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It all started back when I was in elementary school

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<v Speaker 1>and they did the scholastic book fairs every elementary school

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<v Speaker 1>kid went to and they had this car on the

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<v Speaker 1>cover of it, and for some reason, like a little

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<v Speaker 1>switch just went off on heads, like I wanted to

0:19:41.076 --> 0:19:42.996
<v Speaker 1>read this whole book. I still have it in my

0:19:43.076 --> 0:19:47.236
<v Speaker 1>childhood room back in my parents house. It's called Fantasy Cars,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just cleaned out that room and I found

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<v Speaker 1>it again, and I just felt like a kid, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was reminded that, oh, hey, we have this at

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<v Speaker 1>my workplace, and this is where it all began. All

0:19:56.596 --> 0:20:00.076
<v Speaker 1>began in the sense of what curiosity I got that

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<v Speaker 1>thing when I was oh four was when I first

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<v Speaker 1>saw that book, I believe. And now we're in twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen years later, and I'm still just as in love

0:20:07.516 --> 0:20:10.396
<v Speaker 1>with the cars. And so it was the look of

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. It was the look of the thing. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the numbers, it was the price, it was the exclusivity,

0:20:14.556 --> 0:20:17.116
<v Speaker 1>it was the whole shebang. Everything about it just made

0:20:17.116 --> 0:20:19.436
<v Speaker 1>it so appealing. It's like, my little seven year old brain,

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<v Speaker 1>is this still the pinnacle for you as far as

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<v Speaker 1>hypercars go? Yeah, personally, I think so. They were the

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<v Speaker 1>first to make the whole uber one million plus dollar hypercar,

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<v Speaker 1>and that just stuck with me ever since. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what qualifies hypercar's hypercar nowadays is if there's only like

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<v Speaker 1>twelve of them made in some tiny little barn out

0:20:42.436 --> 0:20:46.436
<v Speaker 1>in eastern France, and then the engine was made by

0:20:46.476 --> 0:20:49.476
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of magical ferries, And that's what makes a

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<v Speaker 1>hypercar hypercr Before the Veyron, no one dared to charge

0:20:54.836 --> 0:20:58.316
<v Speaker 1>one million for a production car, not even McLaren with

0:20:58.356 --> 0:21:02.276
<v Speaker 1>its limited run F one three seater, but a Prey

0:21:02.356 --> 0:21:06.676
<v Speaker 1>La Bugatti, the Deluge. The Veyron made the world safe

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<v Speaker 1>for million dollars cars, for hypercar and for the lucky

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<v Speaker 1>souls who buy them. So tell me about the engine

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Yeah, this is an eight leader W

0:21:15.596 --> 0:21:19.036
<v Speaker 1>sixteen configuration. It's called the sixteen point four because the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen cylinders that come in the motor with the four

0:21:21.636 --> 0:21:24.116
<v Speaker 1>turbos attached to it. It was one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>of its kind as far as more than just two

0:21:25.876 --> 0:21:32.916
<v Speaker 1>turbos goes sixteen cylinders four turbos, and PC originally wanted

0:21:33.076 --> 0:21:36.596
<v Speaker 1>eighteen cylinders. So tell me about the brakes inside. Of there.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? They look like dinner platesgantic. Yeah, you

0:21:40.116 --> 0:21:42.276
<v Speaker 1>could probably fit like three turkeys on the side of that.

0:21:42.916 --> 0:21:46.996
<v Speaker 1>The calipers about the size of American football and they're

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<v Speaker 1>meant to they're meant to stop you from two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty six miles an hour in a safe amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time. And the body work, it's all rendered in

0:21:56.356 --> 0:22:01.076
<v Speaker 1>this beautiful carbon fiber, the sort of dark bronze carbon

0:22:01.116 --> 0:22:04.396
<v Speaker 1>fiber with this clear code over it. The bodies are

0:22:04.436 --> 0:22:07.076
<v Speaker 1>carbon fiber, correct, that's correct. The bodies are carbon fiber.

0:22:07.156 --> 0:22:10.036
<v Speaker 1>But since it is part of the hype car class,

0:22:10.476 --> 0:22:14.076
<v Speaker 1>it's all very bespoke. So the original customer of this

0:22:14.116 --> 0:22:17.676
<v Speaker 1>car said, I want a carbon fiber exposed body, and

0:22:17.756 --> 0:22:19.316
<v Speaker 1>I want a clear coat with a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>gold overtones too. He says, that's real gold. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>say it's real gold. I'm just saying the overtones are gold.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there any memorable reactions you've had from people who

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<v Speaker 1>come in and see it? Actually, yeah, there was one

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<v Speaker 1>the other day. I remember there's a kid that just

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<v Speaker 1>turned the corner behind me and just like threw both

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<v Speaker 1>of his hands on his cheeks and just like just

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<v Speaker 1>like his mouth hit the floor and he could really speak.

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<v Speaker 1>His dad was just like laughing, and I knew exactly

0:22:48.596 --> 0:22:49.636
<v Speaker 1>what was going on because I was the same way

0:22:49.636 --> 0:22:50.956
<v Speaker 1>the first time I saw one of these cars at

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<v Speaker 1>that age. Well, Kevin McAlister full Kevin literally the Vincallister,

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<v Speaker 1>like the right here, right in his cheek bones, mouth

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor. Surely the interior is just as over

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<v Speaker 1>the top. No, yeah, the interior is all leather. It's

0:23:04.276 --> 0:23:06.596
<v Speaker 1>very sensitive. You can just take your thumbnail and ruin

0:23:06.876 --> 0:23:09.316
<v Speaker 1>its value, just like if you just nick in the

0:23:09.356 --> 0:23:11.596
<v Speaker 1>wrong direction. So this this is a car bought by

0:23:11.596 --> 0:23:18.156
<v Speaker 1>people who defy gravity. They have they exert no weight

0:23:18.196 --> 0:23:23.276
<v Speaker 1>onto the seat. They are special humanoids who never scuffed

0:23:23.316 --> 0:23:26.076
<v Speaker 1>the leather, who you know can drive this thing with

0:23:26.916 --> 0:23:29.836
<v Speaker 1>one pig key, that's true. Or they just don't to

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<v Speaker 1>pay taxes. I can't tell. It's a glory to behold.

0:23:38.236 --> 0:23:41.476
<v Speaker 1>It really is. Ah. I remember we were received it

0:23:41.556 --> 0:23:44.396
<v Speaker 1>this day. This is only two weeks in this exhibit

0:23:44.436 --> 0:23:46.476
<v Speaker 1>so far. I was there when we received an I

0:23:46.756 --> 0:23:48.956
<v Speaker 1>was just felt like I was that kid again. I

0:23:49.036 --> 0:23:52.476
<v Speaker 1>was like, ah, there you are, I missed you. Meet

0:23:52.516 --> 0:23:55.396
<v Speaker 1>your heroes, right, meet your heroes. And then often sometimes

0:23:55.396 --> 0:23:57.356
<v Speaker 1>they disappoint, but this one definitely did not. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that the Vey Run was built to be the

0:24:07.836 --> 0:24:11.516
<v Speaker 1>fastest production car in the universe and also the most expensive,

0:24:12.516 --> 0:24:16.196
<v Speaker 1>But it was also a highly personal project. As with

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick our museum guide, Doctor pas obsession was tied to

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<v Speaker 1>a book. He wanted the car to produce a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one horsepower because his favorite story as a child

0:24:27.596 --> 0:24:31.236
<v Speaker 1>was A thousand and one Arabian Nights. He wanted it

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<v Speaker 1>to go two hundred and fifty three miles per hour

0:24:34.036 --> 0:24:37.516
<v Speaker 1>because his Porsche nine seventeen and Durance Racer topped out

0:24:37.516 --> 0:24:40.036
<v Speaker 1>at two fifty two on the Mosan Strait at Lament

0:24:41.356 --> 0:24:45.236
<v Speaker 1>In Pax a half like pursuit, the Bugatti became less

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<v Speaker 1>a car than a physics problem, a solution to a

0:24:48.316 --> 0:24:52.956
<v Speaker 1>cascading series of impossibilities. It's the old if you give

0:24:52.996 --> 0:24:56.436
<v Speaker 1>a mouse a cookie scenario. How can we make a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one horsepower hypercar that anyone's grandmother can drive

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure it starts every time at minus thirty

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<v Speaker 1>degrees fahrenheit. To make all that power, it will need

0:25:07.796 --> 0:25:11.956
<v Speaker 1>sixteen cylinders and four turbos. With all that plumbing, it

0:25:11.996 --> 0:25:15.356
<v Speaker 1>will need twelve radiators to keep its engine from imploding.

0:25:16.276 --> 0:25:18.876
<v Speaker 1>To get that power to the ground, it will need

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<v Speaker 1>all wheel drive. The added weight of the all wheel

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<v Speaker 1>drive system will require stronger suspension and tires, and at

0:25:26.596 --> 0:25:29.956
<v Speaker 1>top speed, even the strongest tires will rip themselves apart

0:25:29.996 --> 0:25:33.196
<v Speaker 1>before the car runs out of fuel. So the custom

0:25:33.276 --> 0:25:36.756
<v Speaker 1>Michelin tires are unit with the wheel and cost seventy

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars a set to replace. Final total price tag

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<v Speaker 1>a whopping one million euro a copy, and Bugatti still

0:25:46.196 --> 0:25:52.396
<v Speaker 1>lost money on each one funny story about the tires.

0:25:52.956 --> 0:25:55.476
<v Speaker 1>When Pech told Michelin that he needed a road tire

0:25:55.516 --> 0:25:57.916
<v Speaker 1>that could survive the car's two hundred and fifty three

0:25:57.956 --> 0:26:01.036
<v Speaker 1>mile an hour top speed, they told him he was nuts.

0:26:02.236 --> 0:26:05.236
<v Speaker 1>They said that customers who wanted to experience the car's

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenal top speed capability would have to take the regular

0:26:09.116 --> 0:26:12.796
<v Speaker 1>tires off the car and installed dedicated racing tires to

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<v Speaker 1>make the run. Then, proving that Michelin was indeed correct

0:26:17.516 --> 0:26:21.476
<v Speaker 1>about PC being nuts, he allegedly threatened to cancel all

0:26:21.516 --> 0:26:25.116
<v Speaker 1>of Michelin's tire contracts for all of the VW Group's cars.

0:26:26.036 --> 0:26:29.556
<v Speaker 1>We're talking millions of units per year times four. If

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't deliver a street tire that could go all

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<v Speaker 1>the way from zero mph to two fifty three without delaminating,

0:26:37.556 --> 0:26:44.076
<v Speaker 1>guess what happened. So, yes, the Vay Run only exists

0:26:44.116 --> 0:26:47.236
<v Speaker 1>because the guy in charge was steaming furiously toward this

0:26:47.276 --> 0:26:49.556
<v Speaker 1>thing in his head and willing to lay it all

0:26:49.596 --> 0:26:52.876
<v Speaker 1>on the line to make it happen. And it only

0:26:52.916 --> 0:26:55.876
<v Speaker 1>exists because he was willing to lose wads of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though the car costs seven figures, Bugatti only planned

0:26:59.916 --> 0:27:02.316
<v Speaker 1>to make three hundred of them over the entire run.

0:27:03.396 --> 0:27:06.636
<v Speaker 1>That would hardly cover the cost of the dedicated headquarters

0:27:06.636 --> 0:27:10.316
<v Speaker 1>and factory he built to make the car in Moulzheim, France,

0:27:10.836 --> 0:27:15.716
<v Speaker 1>at the ancestral home of the original Bugatti family. As

0:27:15.716 --> 0:27:18.716
<v Speaker 1>our friend Patrick at the Peterson made clear, the price

0:27:18.796 --> 0:27:23.716
<v Speaker 1>tag was significant because it crossed a psychological chasm unprecedented

0:27:23.756 --> 0:27:32.076
<v Speaker 1>at the time one million dollars. But and this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be rare for the show, I'd like to

0:27:34.436 --> 0:27:38.236
<v Speaker 1>focus here on the performance rather than the psychological chasms.

0:27:39.116 --> 0:27:42.316
<v Speaker 1>Without the performance, there'd be no way to justify the

0:27:42.356 --> 0:27:46.876
<v Speaker 1>helicopter adjacent pricing. But the most important thing about the

0:27:46.956 --> 0:27:50.276
<v Speaker 1>Veyron's performance is that it crossed a threshold that was

0:27:50.356 --> 0:27:55.156
<v Speaker 1>as significant as it was invisible. It was faster than

0:27:55.276 --> 0:28:01.196
<v Speaker 1>gravity free fall acceleration equates to zero to sixty miles

0:28:01.196 --> 0:28:05.076
<v Speaker 1>per hour in two point seven seconds. That's the force

0:28:05.076 --> 0:28:12.116
<v Speaker 1>of gravity. The quantifiable accelerative speed of one. Previously zero

0:28:12.196 --> 0:28:14.836
<v Speaker 1>to sixty and two point seven seconds, or the rate

0:28:14.876 --> 0:28:17.516
<v Speaker 1>of free fall, was thought to be the physical limit

0:28:17.556 --> 0:28:24.236
<v Speaker 1>of car acceleration on the road, but the veyron slipped

0:28:24.316 --> 0:28:28.036
<v Speaker 1>past that rate. It hit sixty miles per hour in

0:28:28.116 --> 0:28:33.396
<v Speaker 1>two point five seconds. So this thing, in a manner

0:28:33.396 --> 0:28:38.036
<v Speaker 1>of speaking, this thing out accelerated gravity. Well, firstly, that

0:28:38.156 --> 0:28:42.396
<v Speaker 1>is not a meaningful sentence. Yes, and no. Gravity will

0:28:42.796 --> 0:28:46.156
<v Speaker 1>propagate through space the speed of light, so it travels

0:28:46.276 --> 0:28:48.756
<v Speaker 1>at a thick speed. But maybe a way of saying it,

0:28:48.836 --> 0:28:52.156
<v Speaker 1>doctor Carl, is that it'll go faster on the pavement

0:28:52.516 --> 0:28:56.476
<v Speaker 1>than if you drop it off a building. Oh god, yes, yeah,

0:28:56.516 --> 0:29:02.876
<v Speaker 1>which is absolutely astonishing. It's crazy. That's Australian physicist doctor

0:29:02.956 --> 0:29:07.076
<v Speaker 1>Carl Kushelnitzky. We spoke with him about what the veyron

0:29:07.236 --> 0:29:10.356
<v Speaker 1>was able to achieve speedwise and how it was able

0:29:10.396 --> 0:29:14.596
<v Speaker 1>to do it. Doctor Carl, why do you think no

0:29:14.716 --> 0:29:18.596
<v Speaker 1>other car achieved what the veyron was able to achieve

0:29:18.716 --> 0:29:22.316
<v Speaker 1>one g of straight line acceleration. They were getting close,

0:29:22.596 --> 0:29:27.116
<v Speaker 1>but you needed immense, ridiculous horsepower. You know, if you

0:29:27.116 --> 0:29:31.036
<v Speaker 1>get five horsepower, go for a thousand, right, mind you,

0:29:31.116 --> 0:29:34.276
<v Speaker 1>A lot of that was needed because of the immense weight.

0:29:34.356 --> 0:29:37.596
<v Speaker 1>Nearly two times so they the front of the tire

0:29:37.676 --> 0:29:41.436
<v Speaker 1>kissed the road at no stage with the tires slippy.

0:29:41.516 --> 0:29:44.556
<v Speaker 1>So it was just because it had that maximum amount

0:29:44.636 --> 0:29:48.076
<v Speaker 1>of horsepower. And of course good electronics you can deliver

0:29:48.156 --> 0:29:51.996
<v Speaker 1>all of that horsepower to the ground. Though explainable now,

0:29:52.356 --> 0:29:55.316
<v Speaker 1>it just seemed impossible at the time, even to people

0:29:55.356 --> 0:29:58.556
<v Speaker 1>who get paid to know about this stuff. I once

0:29:58.596 --> 0:30:02.196
<v Speaker 1>commissioned world famous science guy Neil de grass Tyson to

0:30:02.276 --> 0:30:04.516
<v Speaker 1>rate an essay for us at current driver on the

0:30:04.636 --> 0:30:08.636
<v Speaker 1>nature of speed. In our discussions about the piece, he

0:30:08.716 --> 0:30:11.636
<v Speaker 1>claimed no vehicle could accelerate faster than the speed of

0:30:11.716 --> 0:30:15.476
<v Speaker 1>freefall see or to sixty and two point seven seconds.

0:30:16.796 --> 0:30:19.636
<v Speaker 1>Then I showed him the acceleration curve of the veyron.

0:30:20.516 --> 0:30:23.516
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, he said, I wasn't factoring in the grip

0:30:23.556 --> 0:30:28.196
<v Speaker 1>from the tires. This was the equivalent of breaking the

0:30:28.316 --> 0:30:32.756
<v Speaker 1>sound barrier in flight or the four minute mile, and

0:30:32.996 --> 0:30:36.956
<v Speaker 1>like those other once impossible feats, after it happened the

0:30:36.996 --> 0:30:42.276
<v Speaker 1>first time, it suddenly seemed achievable and easy. Many other

0:30:42.316 --> 0:30:46.276
<v Speaker 1>cars followed in the Veyron's gravity beating wake, but it

0:30:46.316 --> 0:30:48.796
<v Speaker 1>was the Bugatti that set the template for sub two

0:30:48.796 --> 0:30:52.876
<v Speaker 1>point seven seconds sprints. It did it by combining its

0:30:52.916 --> 0:30:59.116
<v Speaker 1>tarmac ripping, all wheel drive, traction, quad turbocharged sixteen cylinder engine,

0:30:59.596 --> 0:31:04.356
<v Speaker 1>and launch control system. These three elements together are what

0:31:04.516 --> 0:31:15.276
<v Speaker 1>spear the Bugatti toward the horizon with sickening speed. And

0:31:15.396 --> 0:31:18.396
<v Speaker 1>when you do accelerate full out in the Veyron, you

0:31:18.556 --> 0:31:21.916
<v Speaker 1>realize that you are testing the limits of the human machine.

0:31:23.156 --> 0:31:26.636
<v Speaker 1>We Homo sapiens, were not engineered to accelerate this quickly.

0:31:27.716 --> 0:31:30.556
<v Speaker 1>Our brains and inner ears are keyed to the force

0:31:30.596 --> 0:31:34.116
<v Speaker 1>of gravity. Falling out of a tree may have scrambled

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<v Speaker 1>your brain when you hit the ground, but not on

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<v Speaker 1>the way down. But going from zero to sixty in

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<v Speaker 1>less than two point seven seconds, that's a roller coaster

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<v Speaker 1>ride parked in your driveway. You've got a train for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It rattles your organs and robs your brain of blood.

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<v Speaker 1>It literally takes your breath away p X. Veyron pushed

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<v Speaker 1>the envelope, not just the mechanical one, the human one.

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<v Speaker 1>In the writing about cars business, one of our horrious

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<v Speaker 1>cliches is that a really fast car seems to defy physics.

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<v Speaker 1>I even used it earlier in this episode time Worn.

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<v Speaker 1>Though the phrase may be, it makes no sense when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it. By its very nature, physics can't

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<v Speaker 1>be defied. It's our understanding of physics that's incomplete. If

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<v Speaker 1>something seems to defy physics, well then our conception of

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<v Speaker 1>the science itself needs to change. That's what the Veyron

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<v Speaker 1>did for the automotive universe. It expanded our understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>the possible. You can thank the little Austrian guy with

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<v Speaker 1>the bad attitude for that. Car Show is written and

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<v Speaker 1>hosted by me Eddie Alterman. It's produced by Sam Dingman,

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob Smith and Amy Gaines. Our editor is Jen Guera.

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