WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Theft of the Irish Crown Jewels 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:15.840 Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know what story 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.160 is of things. We simply don't know the answer too. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.360 Hey there and welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:28.680 the podcast um Steve as always joined by Devin, Joe 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.440 and Joe. He got his name right this story, did it? 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:34.800 We didn't even have to take five takes, Sir Joe. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.720 Sir Joe, Well, that's actually kind of apropos for the 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.879 story here perfecting. Why what are we going to talk about? Well, 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:47.080 tonight's story is the theft of the Irish Crown Jewels. Wait, 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.640 the Irish have jewels? They did, They didn't, They don't 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:56.880 have them anymore. They're they're gone. Somebody's gone, somebody does. Well, 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.760 let's let's just pop right into the story since we 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:07.039 prefaced it so well. Uh await the ending I did? 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:12.279 It's the Middle way, The middle did so. The Irish 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:18.480 Crown Jewels disappeared sometime between the month of June and 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:22.440 July seven. Wait, I'm sorry, they don't even know when 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.440 they disappeared, not exactly. Yeah, it was a really good theft, 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.600 and you'll find out why it wasn't so obvious right away. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.960 I think that probably everybody is familiar with the concept 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:39.480 at this point of royal jewels or crown jewels. You know, 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.400 you see the things that the crown or the cornery, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:51.040 coronation ceremony accouterments, you know, gilded staff in precious precious 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.160 metals and precious stones and all of that. Uh, you know, 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.600 they're like I said, they brought out for coronations or 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.680 when somebody famous visits. Well, the Irish didn't exactly have 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.880 that at this time. We're talking nine o seven. This 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.080 is when jewels, yeah, well this is this is seven. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.360 This is when Ireland is actually part of the United Kingdom, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:17.280 are part of England, officially part of England. The Irish 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.560 crown jewels are different because they were part of a 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:27.320 small collection of jewels and ornaments that were used by 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.919 and I love this name, the Most Illustrious Order of St. Patrick. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.120 That's a pretty awesome name. If you asked me, we 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:39.120 should change the show name of that. We are now 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.760 the most Illustrious Order of thinking sideways all right, Well, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.880 the order was what is referred to as a chivalric 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:55.359 is at the correct pronunciation chivalric organization, which shivalick organizations 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.120 were a thing that originally they were made up of 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.919 knights who and it was in honor. These were guys 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:08.799 who were honoring knights who had fallen in the Crusades. Yes, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.360 that's exactly right. Well, of course the Crusades were in 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:16.040 the fourteen and fifteen centuries. So as you move forward, 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.440 what actually I think they were before then? Were they well, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:26.359 I know they were a long time ago, like happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:32.960 as of about the seventeenth century. These orders were actually 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:38.000 just kind of honorary societies kind of they were set 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.320 up by they were set up by royalty. It was 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.280 kind of a way to say you're my friend, you're 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.320 a really good guy, and I'm going to honor you 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.520 by inducting you into this order. Or if you had 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.400 a lot of hit songs, maybe yeah kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.119 because you know St. Patrick, he he had a lot 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.080 of hits. Greatest Hits album. You gotta pick that up. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.440 It's it's on Amazon. The the Irish Crown Jewels, which 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.120 were part of the order, where there was really only 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:09.280 two pieces of the set. Of my people to only 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:14.800 have two parts of Crown Jewels right now, before we 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.720 get into it, you know what, I had a really 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.760 hard time this whole time. You guys have watched Family Guy, right, 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:24.000 do you remember when Family Guy did the History of 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.400 Ireland and at one point Ireland was this giant, utopian, 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:33.400 super scientific civilization beer and then developed whiskey, and suddenly 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.160 they burned and raised the cities and they were no more. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.520 All I can ever remember. It's I think a Family 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.760 Guy one to write is when they like fly into 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.839 Ireland and the landing strip is really it's just covered 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.039 in beer bottles. They just like crash Land. It's like 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:53.200 a pit of beer bottles. Yeah, we should clarify. I'm 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:57.159 definitely super Irish, I think ye, I'd probably have a 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.560 little bit. We mean, this is just the funny, the 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.800 funny that I couldn't help but thinking of as I 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.920 was doing this. But all right, we'll back to the story, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.599 back to the seriousness of the Order of St John's St. Patrick, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.479 the Order of St Patrick's the Irish Town jewels that 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.279 were part of it. The two pieces were a eight 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:21.880 pointed Star of St. Patrick, which was a jeweled star. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:26.599 It had it's eight points, It had a shamrock in 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:31.360 the center that was made out of emeralds, and there 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.640 was a diamond brooch which was called the grand Master's Badge, 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.440 and the badge was made with ruby's emeralds, and at 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.640 the time they called them Brazilian diamonds, which was evidently 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:48.280 the highest quality, clearest diamond they had available. Yeah, that's 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:53.760 that's that's what they used. And written in diamonds on 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:58.920 this badge in Latin it said who will separate us? 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.440 With question mark at the end, But I don't. I 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.760 didn't write down what it is in Latin because I'm 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:09.479 really bad at Latin. At it. Well, I forgot, I know. 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:11.520 To give you a kind of an idea of the 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.560 size of these two pieces, the star was about four 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.080 and a quarter inches by four and a quarter inches, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.520 so it was kind of a square, and the brooch 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.840 was about three inches across by five inches tall. So 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.920 these are like an index card. Yeah there, I mean, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.000 think of it. It's it's about the size of your hand, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.039 almost the ballpark. I mean, that's that's a big piece 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.520 of jewelry that you can hold in your hand. Yeah. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.480 And and what they would do is they would pin 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:43.120 them on the chest. They had silk robes and stuff 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.960 that they would wear. And so the the star was 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.280 worn by one guy and the badge was worn by 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.720 another and it was it was the sign of your office, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.479 was really what they did, which is just so silly 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.159 because silk just can't hold diamonds like that. Yeah, but 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.320 when you're rich, it doesn't matter because you only use 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:01.919 it a couple of times and then you get a 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.400 new one. That's true. Yeah, Well, let's get on to 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:09.640 the theft. The Irish Crown jewels were stolen, and they 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.320 weren't the only thing that were stolen at the time. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.240 There was also several gold collars for the Order of 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.720 St Patrick Collar. All right, Yeah, this this took me 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.840 a while. A gold collar is basically a giant gold 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.040 chain that would be worn around the neck. If you 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.480 think about some of the it's not really draped around 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:35.640 the neck and is across the shoulders and across the chest. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.360 The easiest way I can think of this is if 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.280 you ever look at some of the old paintings of royalty, 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.960 like let's say Henry the eighth, and you'll see he's 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.200 got this big gold thing that comes off his shoulders 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.200 and droops across the front of his chest. That's a caller. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.160 That's what they called the caller, which basically just giant bling. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.360 So it's not like an actual like button on collar 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.440 like we wear on collar shirts. No, it actually and 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:01.760 that took me a while to figure out because they 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.840 kept talking about silk callers that were also stolen, and 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:10.119 silk collars were kind of the roughly bit with silk 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.360 that it sat a pond. So you put on the 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.600 silk collar, you pull it over your head, and then 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.800 you would pull on the gold collar on top of that. 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:24.160 So yes, yeah, so it's me. It's pretty, it's fancy. 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:31.800 It's fanciness, fancy, goldiness, fancy. Uh. Well, the oh, and 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.560 the other thing that was stolen at the same time 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:39.280 was the personal jewel belongings of the mother of a 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:43.400 man by the name of Arthur Vickers. Now Vickers is 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.120 going to come up in a story very shortly, but 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.760 I just want to point out that her jewels were 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.359 also stolen because they were stored at the same location. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.000 I have to point out that when I was reading 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.679 through some of the links for this story, I skimmed 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.760 some of the like kind of backstory on this right, 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.440 so I missed the part that there was a dude 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.520 named Arthur Vickers. So when I was reading through it, 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.000 I just kept thinking, oh, the vicars he thought. He 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.880 was like a vicar, Yeah, And I was like, why 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:14.880 are they adding an S to the end of like 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:19.480 the vicar? It makes you feeling better? Yeah, I did 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.800 the same thing, and I've read this thing like five 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.440 times before I finally slowed down enough to realize what 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:30.600 was going on. Okay, well, here's here's what happens. Here's 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.800 the backstory that I think will help is, according to 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.599 the Statutes of the Order of St Patrick, the jewels, 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.520 along with any other regalia that they might have, was 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.240 to be safely guarded by the Ulster King of Arms. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.440 So that's the title. The statue also said that the jewels, 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.640 and I'm reading directly here, shall be deposited for safe 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.280 keeping in a steel safe in the chancery of the 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:03.600 Order of Office of Arms of Ireland. That makes sense. 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.439 Put them in a safe. Put him in a steel 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.480 safe so they're locked up. Put them in a safe 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.720 in an office you know that has access from only 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.240 this one dude, right, correct. Here's the problem is that 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.400 from the year eighteen eighty one to nineteen o three 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.679 the Order had operated out of Dublin Castle and it 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:27.439 was in a location that was no, that's called Birmingham Tower. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.480 In nineteen o three though they moved the order from 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:37.680 that tower to the upper castle Yard into Bedford Tower, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:42.240 so they moved locations. Essentially, they changed where they were at. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.920 And when they moved it required that they had a 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.600 new safe made, because it's safe that they were using, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:55.400 I'm guessing was bolted to the floor like you dot to, yeah, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.200 something to keep it from being picked up and easily moved. Exactly, 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.400 a good idea generally. The problem is is that when 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:08.360 the new safe was made and delivered, they discovered it 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.320 was too big to get through the door into the 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.199 strong room where it was supposed to be stared. That's 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.040 the hilarious thing too, is like the animals of incompetence, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.959 that's a custom built this strong room to hold this safe, 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.199 and they made it and they made the door too small. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:25.760 And the amazing thing is, you know, I mean it 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.720 must have been a really super strong room because they 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.040 couldn't like widen the doorway. Yeah, partially, it's a It's 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.080 in a tower that is hundreds of years old, so 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.360 you're not just gonna put pulling stones out of the 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.400 doorway to open it up and try and put them 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.160 back in. I know, that just doesn't work. It's just 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.400 a bad idea anyway, So I wound up with in 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.439 a new location. So now we talked about Arthur Vickers. 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:51.120 He at the time was Ulster King of Arms, and 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.800 he was the guy who was responsible for the safe 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.560 keeping and storage of the Irish Crown jewels along with 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.920 all the other you know reggae yet that they might have, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.840 and his grandmother's jewels and his his mother in law's 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.559 jewels or his mother's not well, rather than freak out 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.480 and say you need to make me a new safe, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.280 or you need to fix this, because the guy who 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.960 made the safe was said, oh, well, we can totally 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.720 fix that. I can, I can make new safe. And 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.600 he's like, oh no, no, no, no, no, it's fine. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.679 Just put that in the library and we'll just use 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.400 it in the library in his office. I got to 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.320 put it in Victor's office. No, it was in the 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.520 library because there was a bunch of other cases of 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.360 stuff that was stored for display and they stuck it 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.000 in the library. What I just feel like was he 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.640 the kind of guy who had his office because he 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:47.840 was related to somebody. Well, he got the office I 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.160 think he was given the office in nineteen o two 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.040 or nineteen o three, and he was given the office 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.800 by the king. He did something to impress the king 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:01.120 to be elevated to the Ulster King of Arms by 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.120 the King of England at the time. Interesting particularly, I 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.559 was wondered exactly what what he did. It doesn't say. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:12.080 I never could find exactly what he did to get 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.240 this honor to be elevated to this level. But he 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.760 just said, oh, yeah, no, it's fine, just put it there, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.160 no big deal. Let's move forward. That was three. We're 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.840 going to move forward to nineteen o seven. On June 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:31.360 eleven of nineteen o seven, it's confirmed there's accounts that 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.079 the jewels were removed from the safe and they were 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.120 shown to a man by the name of John Hodgson. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.160 He was the librarian of the Duke of Northumberland. Not 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:48.880 John Hodgman. No Hodgson, did I say Hodgman. I just 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.960 wanted to make sure that it wasn't famed millionaire, deranged 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.880 millionaire John Hodgeman. No, No, it was not him. He'd 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.600 be crazy old at that point anyway. Correct. On July 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:03.200 three of nineteen o seven, the cleaning lady showed up 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:07.120 for work and she found the front door unlocked. Yeah, 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.240 and I couldn't totally tell. I don't know if you 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.440 found out if this was it was that the library door, 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.000 was that the safe door? Was it the front door 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.840 to the whole building front understanding? I think it was 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.760 the front door of the building, but I could never 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.920 confirm exactly what the quote unquote front door was. It 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.320 was always a cleaning lady finding this stuff. That lady 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.880 had to find everything. Ye seven days later, I mean 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.440 after after this, she this guver was the strong room 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.760 doors has been left. Well, yeah, you're jumping ahead on 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.840 me a little bit, but you're right. But then, yeah, okay, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.640 she's always finding stuff that's unlocked and open. Three days 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:45.280 later she finds again, this is July six, she finds 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.880 the door to the strong room is open. But you know, nobody, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.280 nobody's worried about it, Nobody thought anything on it, No 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:58.440 big deal. Later that day, though, Vickers, Arthur Vickers had 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.880 sent a messenge, you're to the safe. Evidently they had 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.320 received the collar of a deceased Knight of the Order, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:08.920 and he said, hey, take that down to the safe 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.480 and put it in the safe, at which point the 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.040 messenger discovered that A the safe was open and be 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.200 the jewels were gone. I at least they didn't get 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:22.360 that collar. Was it the Was it the cleaning lady? 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.200 I mean like did she seal them? We don't know. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.040 I mean it seems like that, right, Like if you 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.240 were the cleaning lady and you were going to do 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.720 a theft like this, you would totally be like, hey, 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:38.120 when I came in today, Sorry, I know we're jumping ahead. Well, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.640 and there's and there's some facts about locks and keys 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.120 that will help, I think clear the cleaning lady of 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.080 her of her possible suspicion. But then again, maybe not 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.520 one thing I want to know about this safe. It 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.680 had two locks on it, so two locks, two keys. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:58.160 But did those two that's my understanding. I said, at 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:02.160 least something I understood that it was unlock two copies 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:06.440 of the key original and yeah, and some readings I've 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.160 seen that, But in other ones I say, it looks 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.720 like the say had two locks with two separate keys. 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.800 But you would kind of want for security, right. It's 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.680 like the every time you see on TV where it's like, oh, 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.800 we gotta launch launch the bomb that's going to kill humanity. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.320 You've got to have like at least two different people 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.560 with two different keys. And yes, and and this is 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.040 jumping ahead a little bit, but I think the way 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.560 that I understood it, there was two copies of the 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:36.480 key because Vickers, as his position dictated, was always supposed 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.000 to have one copy of the key with him, and 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.120 then he was also supposed to have a second copy 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:45.560 of the key locked and stowed somewhere in his residence. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.800 So I got the impression that it was two copies 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.640 of the same key, not two locks with two individual keys. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.280 That probably, I mean, yeah, okay. But but then the 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.440 cleaning lad clearly could have done it, because once she 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.840 found a strong room open strong and was like there 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.160 was a door and out of door, and then there 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.679 was an inner gate, like her gate was locked, but 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.520 somebody had left the key in the lock, and there 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.359 was a ring of keys hanging from that, and it 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.399 turns out it was Vicker's key ring, So probably the 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.040 key to the safe was on that key ring. So 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.080 she could have boogied in there, got the crown jewels 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.320 stuffed and down her bodice and then you know, and 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.240 then turned the keys into lost and found that's one 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.480 of my favorite phrases in the world. It stuffed it 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.720 down her bodice. I was gonna just like shout out 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:33.840 that technically bodice is not a thing. Well, you're just 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.040 no fun. Thanks for killing all the fun. We'll just 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:41.720 move forward the story. She hit it in her underwear, Okay, alright, alright, Well, 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:47.240 the Dublin Metropolitan Police and the Detective Branch. These are 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.320 two separate groups. Let all away from ourselves. Yeah we did. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.560 These are two separate groups that are investigative groups that 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.960 are you know, of the Royal Police Society As for 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.399 lack of I made up that phrase, but they're the police. 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.399 They went ahead and they investigated the theft. They determined 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.600 that no doors had been forced open. The manufacturer of 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.880 the safe, remember the guy who built it too big, Yeah, 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:15.639 and was like yeah, he showed up and said, uh no, 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.000 duplicate had key had been used. And by duplicate, I 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:23.560 took that to mean that if somebody had made a 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.600 rough copy. And we'll talk about some rough copy stuff 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.720 later on, but if you make a rough copy, it's 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.040 not perfect, but I imagine with a rough copy you 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.440 can kind of jam it in there and bang it around. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.080 It's almost like, what's the phrase for a key when 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:38.919 you've a bump key. Yeah, it's kind of like a 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.120 bump key, so it works, but it would mar up 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:47.159 the inside of the teeth of it. Yeah, yeah, a 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.080 little bit. That's what I infer that. That's what that 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:53.800 I always when I was reading this, was thinking about 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.119 Charlie's Angels. Do you guys ever see that really crappy 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.720 Charlie's Angels movie that had like Cameron Diaz, Oh yeah, 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.560 clo in it. Um, they like took a copy of 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.399 a key by like pushing clay on both sides and 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.399 then like injecting some like metal bouleon in there or whatever. 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.119 That's how like in my mind that you would have 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.399 gotten And that's the easiest way to think about that, 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.240 one way to do it. And so of course it 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.360 would be a crappy, be very very crappy one time 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.359 key or you know, a locksmith could have actually picked it. Yeah, 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.400 but you would think that a locksmith, if they were 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.480 picking it, they would they would leave some kind of mark. 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.200 If you open up the guts of the safe, you 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.199 would think you would see this this marks where they 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.000 were in there playing around trying to find the tumblers 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:40.680 to push him in. Also, if the safe was found locked, right, 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.240 you would have to like not only would you have 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.080 to get into it, but you would also have to 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.040 like close it and lock it actually, and that's why 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.120 if you picked the lock, you don't have the key 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:50.399 to close it with again, and you don't want to 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.880 repick the locks, so it's just sitting open. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.680 there's harness. You know. I know this And I saw 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:00.000 that too, about how this guy pronounced that no duplicate 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.880 And I thought, I'm guessing he's talking about a cheap 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.920 copy with a bump key kind of situation. Granted that 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.760 we're probably looking at more of a skeleton key situation. Well, no, actually, 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.040 this is would be a normal kind of key that 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:19.200 were Well, there's a guy named Detective Inspector John Kane 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:26.959 who was of Scotland Yard, the Scotland Yards, the Scotland Yards. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.560 He compiled the report which evidently he named who he 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:37.400 was sure the thief was. This is terrible, But the 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.760 commissioner of the Dublin Metro Police refused to accept his 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:46.159 report for some reason, and his report subsequently disappeared, so gone, 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.080 we don't know who he fingered for the job. It's 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.040 hard when you know there weren't electronic copies of everything. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.320 That's the problem. You have to be like the I. 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:58.600 R s to totally lose something that thoroughly. Now, as 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.000 you can imagine, there's there's some huge fallout from the 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:06.040 theft of these jewels. Uh. Part of the problem right 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:10.959 away is that it wasn't reported right away. In other words, 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.800 they sat on the fact that these things were missing 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.560 for at least a week, if not two or three 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.840 before they finally admitted it. And when the King Edward 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:25.760 the Seven figured it out, he was mad, super mad. 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:30.720 He sacked everybody in the order that was that was there, 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:34.840 that was an officer in that location. And we got well, yeah, 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.439 now we've got four other guys besides Arthur Vickers. We 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:44.920 have a gentleman by the name of Francis Shackleton, Pierce Mahoney, 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:51.120 Sydney Horlock, and Francis Bennett Goldney. These these five guys 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:55.199 are at the center of the conspiracy. For lack of 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.760 a better phrase of who could have done it. Now, 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.680 there was a commission that was that was put out 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.879 to investigated, a commission of inquiry to look into it. 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:11.600 But it seems like mostly they were geared at finding 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:13.840 somebody to point a finger out, and others looking for 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.480 a scapegoat or a patsy. They didn't look for who 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:21.640 done it. They looked for kind of who was responsible 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.080 for it happening. It was a classic case of who 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.320 done it? Yes, I love that you put your hand 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.920 on your hip. At the same time, if I had 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.160 like the little newsgirl cap, I don't. Yeah, we're like wow. 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.240 I was a classic case with your your little notepad 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.119 in your hand. Yes, yes, yes, but that's that's the end. 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.560 Like the jewels disappeared, we never saw them again. They 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.600 were never found, they were never recovered. We don't know 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:47.919 what happened to it until today exactly. Yeah. Do you 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.159 want to go through the theory? Just want to. I 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.840 want to go through the theories. We could solve it. 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:59.119 I know where they are. Where my jewelry case, Oh 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.320 the glass ones that you've got your costume jewelry. No 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.399 they're real? No, no, no, all right, Well I can 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.360 actually tell you I have a family connection to this 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:13.679 great great uncle Patty stole them. Well let me let me, 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:15.439 let me just get into the theories. You too, But 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:17.959 before I know you've got your I know you know 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.800 who done it. But let's like try to hold true 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.880 to the way we do things. I like the modern way. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.480 He says, who done it? Who done it? Let's find 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.280 out who done it, not let's find out who done it. 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:34.240 That's because I'm not good with accents and inflection. Just 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:36.760 th reason I have not tried yet to do a 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:48.199 terrible Irish accent. Oh I wish you accent? That was? 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:53.040 That was? That was your? All? Right? Can we not 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.359 learn that he only has one act? I? Can we can? Please? 0:23:56.440 --> 0:24:02.560