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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it is Fantasy Football Weekly. Our draft prep
Speaker 1: continues with Thorn and Eistrom. We've already hit in previous
Speaker 1: shows running backs and two different shows wide Receivers last week,
Speaker 1: and now tight ends will turn our attention to quarterbacks
Speaker 1: next week. Hey, Thor, welcome back.
Speaker 3: Yoh, how you doing?
Speaker 1: Oh awesome? Got It's just you know, for those of
Speaker 1: us in the industry, this is this is arguably and
Speaker 1: by the industry. How about if we just say the
Speaker 1: sports industry, what a great April's just the best. You
Speaker 1: get the Masters, you get Final for More, you get
Speaker 1: the start of baseball season, you get the foot NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: you get hockey into the regular season in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you get basketball regular season into playoffs. It's just April.
Speaker 1: To me, it's the single best month for sports fans.
Speaker 4: And of course leading that dance, it's draft season, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's number that's one one on the board.
Speaker 1: For me, it is, I mean, it's it is for me,
Speaker 1: and it's uh, I think what I love about it
Speaker 1: as much as anything else is that we spend months,
Speaker 1: like you know, second guessing, evaluating, predicting, and then it
Speaker 1: all just unravels in real time and you get to
Speaker 1: find out you know, what you knew, what you didn't know,
Speaker 1: what you'd expected, what didn't happen, you know, the things
Speaker 1: that went to form. I just I love all the
Speaker 1: drama of the draft thor.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's it's incredible, and then you have all
Speaker 4: your theories for speaking to someone who does you know,
Speaker 4: twenty mob drafts every process like it, you know, you
Speaker 4: you think like heading in every time, it's like I
Speaker 4: know how it's gonna go this time, and every then
Speaker 4: it's a one team rose the big curve ball, and
Speaker 4: then it's like what's that Ashton Kutcher but butterfly effect? Right,
Speaker 4: Like it's like one thing changes now you know, someone's
Speaker 4: on the board unexpectedly, and then everything else after that changes.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's a tremendous process and it's it's
Speaker 4: it's just fabulous theater. Once once the Bell opens on
Speaker 4: the last Thursday night of April.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The best butterfly effect movies. I I think you
Speaker 1: could say Back to the Future was a but a
Speaker 1: butterfly effect movie, right, Butleroid. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Marty McFly goes back changes, you know, does not does
Speaker 1: not have get romantic with his mom, which I think
Speaker 1: was was pretty important. So you know that was that
Speaker 1: was a big eiet and then you know, introduced rock
Speaker 1: and roll and you know, did a bunch of other things.
Speaker 1: And so I think that would count as a butterfly
Speaker 1: effect movie for sure.
Speaker 4: Would I I have another one I'd like, but yeah,
Speaker 4: please and and and it's another one with multiple films
Speaker 4: in the in the catalog, the final Destination in franchise.
Speaker 1: See I've never seen them because it looks well, I've
Speaker 1: never seen him say, I'll look like it's a bunch
Speaker 1: of people getting murdered. But what is the Tell me
Speaker 1: about tell me about how those work?
Speaker 4: Well, the first one is a classic. You got to
Speaker 4: see the first one. But they're they're gonna go on.
Speaker 4: Uh it's like a school trip, but it's like you know,
Speaker 4: Europe or something. And then but they don't end up
Speaker 4: getting on the plane, and then the plane goes down,
Speaker 4: and then the idea is like, oh the grim Reaper,
Speaker 4: like you know, you got saved. So then it's like
Speaker 4: they they're, they're, they're, they're going one by one kind of.
Speaker 1: Oh got you got you okay, all right? And they
Speaker 1: spend how many final destinations now like.
Speaker 3: Four at this point, I think it's like like six
Speaker 3: or seven.
Speaker 1: Probably because God forbid, you just let something good rest.
Speaker 1: A foreign movie that is sort of a classic in
Speaker 1: this genre is called Run, Lola Run. It's a German movie.
Speaker 1: It came out like two thousand maybe, and it's fantastic,
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a woman who has to deliver
Speaker 1: some money in twenty real time minutes, and they show
Speaker 1: how just a slight change at the very beginning of
Speaker 1: her effort to get this this to get this money
Speaker 1: she's got, she she's not delivered. She's got to come
Speaker 1: up with one hundred thousand She's got to come up
Speaker 1: with one hundred thousand whatever Deutsche marks in twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: And it tells the story three consecutive times if memory serves,
Speaker 1: where you watch the twenty minutes of her in real
Speaker 1: time trying to come up with one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: like thor I need you to come up with one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars right now. Now you've probably got that
Speaker 1: in cash in your in your in your house right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but Lola did not a really good
Speaker 1: foreign movie for people that do not mind, you know either,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's dubbed to hope not, I
Speaker 1: don't mind reading mine.
Speaker 4: We're going to the We're going to the blackjack table.
Speaker 4: If I'm ever in that scenario.
Speaker 1: I like that? Are you? Is that what you if
Speaker 1: you if you suddenly had one hundred grandropped on you,
Speaker 1: would you try to turn it into two hundred grand
Speaker 1: at the blackjack table?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: If if like if like I need it, if it
Speaker 4: was a scenario like you got to come up with
Speaker 4: this amount of time, yeah, like it's it's like, well
Speaker 4: a short time. Let's see how many times we can
Speaker 4: double this up?
Speaker 1: Roulette. I mean you get you know what you get
Speaker 1: through done? Right, So you're like, all right, I'll just
Speaker 1: step I hope to god I'll put on sixteen and
Speaker 1: hope it works out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Does Interstellar count as a butterfly effect movie?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It does.
Speaker 4: Remember that part where he's like he's banging on the
Speaker 4: thing and that, but then the guy can't hear from
Speaker 4: the past or whatever, like I it is because it's
Speaker 4: about decisions, and decisions change the future and you can't
Speaker 4: go back.
Speaker 3: And this sort of a thing.
Speaker 4: Interstellar is great, and the draft is very The draft
Speaker 4: is very much like that, right, I mean, like you
Speaker 4: look back and oh man, why do we do that?
Speaker 3: Why do we do?
Speaker 4: You just want to you know, shake the GM, like, bro,
Speaker 4: don't do that, right, You're five years in the future.
Speaker 3: Why did you know? Don't do that?
Speaker 1: And you know here, okay, last year's draft, you mentioned
Speaker 1: how all it takes is one one team changes the
Speaker 1: outcome of the whole draft, right, and that ends up
Speaker 1: that ends up happening when one team does something kind
Speaker 1: of nobody expects. Last year, that was Michael Pennix at eight,
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, what you just signed Kirk Cousins of
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred and fifty million dollars. It ended
Speaker 1: up being absolutely the right move for them, as it
Speaker 1: turned out, but that changed. You know, nobody's mock was
Speaker 1: intact after pick number eight last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah A percent, Yeah, I mean then you had the
Speaker 4: rush up for the other quarterbacks. And then the other
Speaker 4: thing is that's where we were expecting the first defender
Speaker 4: to come off the board. But yeah, you have the
Speaker 4: one change in that one decision, all of a sudden
Speaker 4: you have the arms race to grab the rest of
Speaker 4: that position. Then of course our receivers and tackles were
Speaker 4: involved with that as well, And the first defender doesn't
Speaker 4: go out the board until the Colts came on the
Speaker 4: clock was a sixteen, So like we ended up breaking
Speaker 4: the record for consecutive offensive players out the board to
Speaker 4: begin a class, But that was because of terrible.
Speaker 3: Terry Fontina and his machinations there.
Speaker 1: Well lookie, but he got it right. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: they they had seen enough pre draft from Kirk that
Speaker 1: they knew to be worried.
Speaker 3: And yeah, probably shouldn't have given him that money.
Speaker 1: No, they should not have given him that money, as
Speaker 1: it turned out, and and Penix ended up being the
Speaker 1: right and be in the right pick for them as
Speaker 1: a as a although maybe it turns out thor Jj
Speaker 1: McCarthy should have been the pick for Atlanta at eight.
Speaker 3: I'm so so happy that Terry Fino.
Speaker 1: Made all right, let's dive into tight ends rookie titands.
Speaker 1: I think we've managed to go seven minutes into this podcast,
Speaker 1: and that's that is okay. And by the way, feel
Speaker 1: free to tweet us. You've got other great butterfly effect
Speaker 1: movies that we're not thinking of. Well, we'd gladly take
Speaker 1: that at this time of year. At thorn Eystrom, at
Speaker 1: thor K H. Rock Shuk and at Paul Chargion. Let's
Speaker 1: dive into rookie tight ends. My man, it's you know,
Speaker 1: we can't We're not going to get another brock Bauers.
Speaker 1: I don't think. But I am seeing Tyler Warden Warren
Speaker 1: mocked universally, you know, pretty early into the first round.
Speaker 1: Talk to me just about the overall class for the
Speaker 1: tight end position.
Speaker 4: It's it's very good, uh, Tyler Warren. It's it's one
Speaker 4: of those few tight ends that have come out the
Speaker 4: last twenty years. You can make a legitimate case that
Speaker 4: that guy should be a top ten pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could, Like you don't need to have to
Speaker 3: argue that one hard. Uh.
Speaker 4: And then Colson Lovelin is a surefire first round cross
Speaker 4: and they're they're different kinds of guys. Colston is is
Speaker 4: a big slot and then Warren's just a chess piece. Fella,
Speaker 4: Warren is you you said we don't have a brock bars,
Speaker 4: you know, like in this guy, I almost said, not
Speaker 4: so fast, my friend, because it Tyler Warren.
Speaker 3: He it's it's sort of a similar skill set, but
Speaker 3: he's bigger.
Speaker 4: He's two and a half inches taller than Bowers and
Speaker 4: like twenty five pounds heavier. So like it's it's interesting there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, even beyond that, you get into day two,
Speaker 4: there's I would say four other super duper interesting names
Speaker 4: that I know are going to go.
Speaker 3: On day two.
Speaker 4: So like that's you know that you would mention that
Speaker 4: five to six number, that that's where we fall in there.
Speaker 4: And there's even a couple guys later in that on
Speaker 4: day three that I'm like, I like, if I had
Speaker 4: to take the dart throw like that guy super intrigues me.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about teams that could take a tight end
Speaker 1: in day one or two and see you see if
Speaker 1: you agree with me on this, Jets the best tight
Speaker 1: end right now on Rosters Stone Smart, Jets need a
Speaker 1: tight end. Jets need a tight end. Texans Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: just you know, he's not bad, but he also hasn't
Speaker 1: been a game changer at the position. And you know,
Speaker 1: the Texans with the with the Tank Dell injury, with
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs gone, you know, I can see where they
Speaker 1: they could just use a really talented receiving tight end.
Speaker 1: You with me on.
Speaker 4: Titands, they need another past another starting pass cutcher. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like like you need so like whether that is in
Speaker 4: the vein of a big slot tight end or whether
Speaker 4: that is just a receiver. But yes, you must add
Speaker 4: one more starting pass cutcher. I think at least to
Speaker 4: feel good if you're the Texans.
Speaker 1: The Colts, even I have given up on john Woods.
Speaker 1: It's killed me to do it. But even I at
Speaker 1: this point, you know, like three years after banging the
Speaker 1: drum for Johnny Wood since his rookie right, obviously, just
Speaker 1: can't count on him. They are arguably the league's weakest
Speaker 1: overall team at the position. How about the Titans. Chika
Speaker 1: Konku just has not developed into a reliable target for
Speaker 1: the Titans, and I could see them potentially of trying
Speaker 1: to fill that void, not obviously with the first pick
Speaker 1: of the draft, but later on in the.
Speaker 3: Draft for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with those and as far as
Speaker 4: the Colts go, the Colts they came out right to
Speaker 4: being the off season. They're like, our biggest off season
Speaker 4: goal is to improve the tight end position, and they
Speaker 4: didn't do it in free agency.
Speaker 3: Folks.
Speaker 4: They are telling you they will take one in the
Speaker 4: first round if one of two guys gets there. If
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren gets to the Colts pick, you will see
Speaker 4: the fastest card seen. And if Tyler Warren is not
Speaker 4: there but coltson Loveland is, I think you'll see the
Speaker 4: fastest card turn in ever, cause it's like one of Now,
Speaker 4: if both those guys are out the board, now, the
Speaker 4: Colts are gonna have to figure out Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: you're gonna be doing a day two. One of these
Speaker 4: interesting guys will be talking about in a second. But yeah,
Speaker 4: Colts desperately need one, and they know what's gonna help
Speaker 4: rich than the most. It's getting those easy completions and
Speaker 4: one of them two guys is going to provide that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three teams that could do some
Speaker 1: succession planning at tight end, the Chiefs with Travis Kelcey,
Speaker 1: the Eagles with Dallas Goddard, and the Commanders with zach
Speaker 1: Ertz all all all teams that could get like one
Speaker 1: more good year out of their tight ends, but then
Speaker 1: beginning next year are likely looking to get to get
Speaker 1: talent at the tight end position, young talent at the positions.
Speaker 1: So Chiefs, Eagles commanders with me on those.
Speaker 3: I am and can I had a couple?
Speaker 1: No? Please?
Speaker 3: Heck yeah, go the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Tyler's not the answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And and Harbaugh obviously loves his twelve personnel offense,
Speaker 4: and he loves throwing to the tight end.
Speaker 3: And if Colton Lovelin gets to the charters.
Speaker 4: Pick don Yeah, we're good. Have a quick card turn
Speaker 4: in there. And then the other one that I was thinking, Oh,
Speaker 4: the Jaguars. I think that the Jaguars are you know,
Speaker 4: obviously they caught Evan Ingram, you know, and we talked
Speaker 4: about the Brenton Stranger on the previous one. But if
Speaker 4: they can get a dude that can advance the ball
Speaker 4: for them and make completions easy, I think they'll be
Speaker 4: very interested in that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you two more. The Bears. Cole Comette,
Speaker 1: that fifty million dollar contract looks.
Speaker 3: What are you doing right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, they reached on him. In the draft
Speaker 4: and then they did. It's like col Comette's not it.
Speaker 4: I could have told you coming out of college.
Speaker 3: Come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Saints. You know, Taysom Hill's thirty four
Speaker 1: years old. Juwan Johnson and Foster Moreau are rotational guys.
Speaker 1: I think the Saints could be in play here for
Speaker 1: a time.
Speaker 3: Saints.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Saints are great, and I think sometimes the reason
Speaker 4: people don't give them one in the mocks it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: they have so many holes and so you know you
Speaker 4: have to take one of the more important positions. But
Speaker 4: having all those holes it opens the board up for you.
Speaker 4: It's the same as having an awesome roster as having
Speaker 4: the depleted roster, because it opens you up for BPA
Speaker 4: and the new coach they have there, the offensive minded
Speaker 4: head coach. He's going to be looking to get a
Speaker 4: guy who can manufacture offense for him in year one
Speaker 4: because they don't just don't have a lot of talent there.
Speaker 4: So if you can get the free yardage, I think
Speaker 4: that's something that they're going to be very interested in.
Speaker 4: So Tyler Warren gets to nine, I think you might
Speaker 4: see the Saints heavily sniffing.
Speaker 3: Around Tyler Warren.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, well let's go to Tyler Warren.
Speaker 1: He's your number one, and he's most people's number one
Speaker 1: overall tight end. Here, your comp is Jeremy Shockey, which
Speaker 1: I loved. I love this camp because I'm old enough
Speaker 1: to remember two thousand and two when Jeremy Shockey was
Speaker 1: a rookie and got targeted one hundred and twenty eight
Speaker 1: times as a rookie. Back then, I don't know that was.
Speaker 1: You know, he had almost fine. I've got the numbers
Speaker 1: in front of me, nine hundred yards receiving as a
Speaker 1: rookie tight end. Back then he finished second in Offensive
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year voting Jeremy Shockey back then. Love
Speaker 1: Tyler Warden Warren because in heart, dude is nasty and violent,
Speaker 1: and I you don't always get that out of today's
Speaker 1: fluid past catching tight ends. This kid is special, Tyler Warren,
Speaker 1: I'll let you go from here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he sure is.
Speaker 4: And it's it's not really instructive to think of him
Speaker 4: as a tight end. He's just, uh, you know, whether
Speaker 4: you want to say the offensive weapon, whether you want
Speaker 4: to see chess piece, whether you just the guy that
Speaker 4: advanced at the ball, but he is incredible at it,
Speaker 4: and you have those are the similarities with brought Fowers
Speaker 4: where you saw the specialized usage where Georgia would get
Speaker 4: him into the backfield, they would hand him the ball,
Speaker 4: they would do the ender rounds, they would do all
Speaker 4: the different manufactured souff. That's what Penn State started doing
Speaker 4: with Tyler Warren and he went absolutely berserk. But to
Speaker 4: your point, with the ball in his heads, that kid
Speaker 4: runs hard and and there it's not a coincidence. His
Speaker 4: hero growing up and he still is here if you
Speaker 4: ask him John Riggins. Yeah, Tyler Warren and his father
Speaker 4: loved John Riggins. Why did Tyler Horn were the number
Speaker 4: forty four at Penn State? Because he remains obsessed with John.
Speaker 4: He runs like John Riggins if John Riggins was six
Speaker 4: foot six, and.
Speaker 3: You just think of that.
Speaker 4: This kid is not afraid of contact. He will seek
Speaker 4: it out and he will put you on your back.
Speaker 4: There is not a ton of nuance when he has
Speaker 4: the ball. It is it's like in was it an
Speaker 4: inception where they had that huge vehicle and it was
Speaker 4: going through the streets and hitting you know, the cart.
Speaker 1: And everybody's just flying aside.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that is Tyler Warren with the ball in
Speaker 4: his hands, and they you know, again you just manufactured
Speaker 4: the touches for him. So whether it's the slot, you
Speaker 4: put him in the boundary, shift him into the backfield,
Speaker 4: and then all the cool concepts you can do with him.
Speaker 4: One of the Penn State like to take three yards
Speaker 4: by they could get the defense off by by having
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren, do you know routes intermediate or deep, And
Speaker 4: then they would do one where he's in line and
Speaker 4: they would start out the concept. He would delay for
Speaker 4: one second, like half of a beat, and then he
Speaker 4: just goes down the way and like right behind the
Speaker 4: center quarterback just flick them the ball and now it's
Speaker 4: like you're you're running, but you have a little bit
Speaker 4: of a push from the offensive line in front of
Speaker 4: you and you're just running between the tackles at that point.
Speaker 4: But you manufacture and touches like that, and certainly the
Speaker 4: end around things.
Speaker 3: The Wildcat quarterback he.
Speaker 4: Did a ton of that stuff and he was incredible
Speaker 4: last season. Eight point four yards per carry as a runner.
Speaker 4: That's five of them, five point zero came after contact.
Speaker 3: This guy ever three point four yards before a contact,
Speaker 3: five after so he don't care.
Speaker 4: He broke eleven tackles on twenty five rushing attempts, so
Speaker 4: he's going to throw you off of them. And then
Speaker 4: you know, as the receiver, he also wins downfield. The
Speaker 4: one quirk with his dimensions he has strangely short arms
Speaker 4: for being as big eas as he is. But I'll
Speaker 4: tell you this, there was one area of his game
Speaker 4: where it absolutely manifest and I'll talk about that in
Speaker 4: a second. Down the field. I never saw it. I
Speaker 4: never saw as a receiver, the quote unquote lack of
Speaker 4: length coming to play because he's so good with his body, right, like,
Speaker 4: he has that enormous frame, but he will pinion to
Speaker 4: his bag. It's really hard to get around him, right.
Speaker 4: It's like like at the catch point for a safety.
Speaker 4: It's like trying to get around a cruise ship, right like,
Speaker 4: you're not you're not You're not getting around it, and
Speaker 4: you're not getting higher in the air than him. So
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter that his you know, his arms are
Speaker 4: a little bit short than that you think with that,
Speaker 4: where it matters is where fantasy owners don't care. It's
Speaker 4: it's a lack of reach as a blocker, and it's
Speaker 4: one of the reasons he gives effort. He again, he
Speaker 4: is happy to bang right like I like contact stuff
Speaker 4: like that, and he will come after.
Speaker 3: You as a blocker.
Speaker 4: But he lacks the reach and so when he's in
Speaker 4: line that he always has the shortest arms, which means
Speaker 4: the other guy gets to dictate the dance every time
Speaker 4: he gets a the Tyler Warren. The other dude is
Speaker 4: always getting his hands on Tyler Warren first and then
Speaker 4: the technique after that. Like he's not great with the
Speaker 4: way he uses his hands, and so a lot of
Speaker 4: times he sees his chest and and he can get
Speaker 4: shucked aside.
Speaker 3: But that's the one sort of nippick you can do
Speaker 3: with his game.
Speaker 4: As far as what fantasy owners actually care about, he
Speaker 4: is incredible that you put him up with any of
Speaker 4: these guys that come out in last ten years. You
Speaker 4: could think of him sort of as a hybrid of
Speaker 4: Jeremy Shockey and Brock Bowers. But it's Shocky down the field,
Speaker 4: intermediate and down the field. It looks just like Shocky,
Speaker 4: but the manufacturer touched off the running stuff, the wildcat stuff,
Speaker 4: you know, all that sort of different stuff.
Speaker 3: That's what evolts for you. Brock Bowers and last thing charged.
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren came into college as a dual threat quarterback,
Speaker 4: an enormous left handed dual threat quarterback, you know, out
Speaker 4: of Virginia. Initially he was going to go to Virginia Tech,
Speaker 4: and then James Franklin happened to watch his tape and
Speaker 4: this is it's interesting, sliding doors. We were talking about
Speaker 4: sliding doors. They had a quarterback on the roster at
Speaker 4: Penn State at the time that they used in this
Speaker 4: very specific way of the short yardage running. They would
Speaker 4: have this kid come in off the bench for their
Speaker 4: starter at the time, Sean Clifford. That quarterback's name was
Speaker 4: Will Levis, and James Franklin knew Sean Clifford's coming back
Speaker 4: next year, Will Levis. The time is probably short with
Speaker 4: Will Levis, he probably going to transfer out of here
Speaker 4: because we're going to start this other So James Franklin,
Speaker 4: he was looking around for the big du a threat
Speaker 4: quarterback where he could do the you know, the short
Speaker 4: yardage stuff that the Blake Bell back in the day
Speaker 4: at Oklahoma, the belldoz you know, stuff like that. So
Speaker 4: that's why they initially looked at Warren. But he looked
Speaker 4: at his movement. Franklin did, and he was like, this
Speaker 4: kid's a really good athlete. They requested his basketball tape
Speaker 4: and when Franklin saw that, He's like offered the skull.
Speaker 4: Get this kid in here. Yeah, this kid is an
Speaker 4: amazing athlete. And I think he was on campus for
Speaker 4: one day before the coaches said Tyler, he ain't a
Speaker 4: quarterback anymore.
Speaker 3: My man, we are about to build you it to
Speaker 3: a tight end. And boy did that. I mean it
Speaker 3: took a couple of years.
Speaker 4: And so people, you know, there's a lot of people
Speaker 4: out there, the analytics community, they do the breakout age
Speaker 4: and there are circumstances where that points you at the truth.
Speaker 4: There's also circumstances where it points you away from the truth.
Speaker 4: And keep in mind with Tyler Warren, tight end is
Speaker 4: a slow developing position. Anyway, he went to college having
Speaker 4: never played it before. So I just want to give
Speaker 4: that contextual benefit of the debt or.
Speaker 1: Having caught passes, right, I mean, he was a dual
Speaker 1: threat quarterback, so he wasn't even catching that and let
Speaker 1: alone trying to block for all the comps from Tyler Warren,
Speaker 1: and we spent a ton of time on, but you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't mention Gronk, and I just feel like the
Speaker 1: part of it that reminds me of Gronk is just
Speaker 1: the willingness, the physical play and the willingness to attack tacklers,
Speaker 1: which you just don't see from all that many tight ends,
Speaker 1: even though it's a physical position, weren't. I think's on
Speaker 1: a different level from that. And so I, you know,
Speaker 1: I hesitate to compare anybody to Gronk because he's just
Speaker 1: so special, but he's, you know, like Gronk. You know,
Speaker 1: Gronk was too big for safeties to cover him, and
Speaker 1: he was too shifty and fast for linebackers to cover him.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's Tyler Warren's got some of
Speaker 1: that in him.
Speaker 4: It's it's a great car as far as the physical
Speaker 4: dimensions and as far as the athletic profile in those
Speaker 4: physical dimensions, and then the way they look both catching
Speaker 4: them all down the field and then as the berserker runners,
Speaker 4: those things all scream Gronk and I actually, I I
Speaker 4: did flirt with that as a comp The reason I
Speaker 4: couldn't do that is Gronk's one of the better blocking
Speaker 4: tight ends from the inline position that you'll ever see,
Speaker 4: and it's what made them just next next level because
Speaker 4: you had that stuff with the ball and then you
Speaker 4: had the blocking as well. Warren, that's where he fell
Speaker 4: a little bit short. So that's why I ended up
Speaker 4: getting off that comp. But yeah, just as far as
Speaker 4: with the ball, in those facets in the frame and
Speaker 4: the athleticism, absolutely a lot of stuff of Bolk's Gronk.
Speaker 1: Let's go to your number two tight end. We've already
Speaker 1: mentioned Jim Harbaugh Watts his tight end at Michigan. Colston
Speaker 1: Loveland is your number two overall. You've got as comp
Speaker 1: as Mark Anders and you've got him going in the
Speaker 1: first round.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Colson Love.
Speaker 4: It's a very different kind of a tight end than
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren. Colson Loveland is your your big slot in
Speaker 4: a twelve personnel offense. So this in offense, you already
Speaker 4: have your peer blocking in line tight end and then
Speaker 4: Colton Loveland is going to take over your slot. But
Speaker 4: you can also line them up on the boundary. Michigan
Speaker 4: did that I think twenty percent of his snaps, and
Speaker 4: you can put him in line just a little bit.
Speaker 4: But if you are counting on him to tango with
Speaker 4: war daddy defensive ends in the NFL. He is going
Speaker 4: to get ragged gulp by that. It's just not his game.
Speaker 4: He's a big skyscraper and there is some finesse. He
Speaker 4: gives effort as a blocker, and by the way, he's
Speaker 4: a very good space blocker. He just overwhelms you with
Speaker 4: his length and his effort. But you know, it's sort
Speaker 4: of one caveat with that. But as far as the
Speaker 4: sort of move tight end the big slot in that
Speaker 4: twelve personnel offense, it's hard to do better than this kid.
Speaker 3: He runs all the route tree, all of it. He
Speaker 3: runs a full receiver's route tree.
Speaker 4: That is why you can interchangeably switch in between the
Speaker 4: slot and the boundary. He knows what he's doing, understands leverage,
Speaker 4: understands angles, understands setting defenders up by miming actions that
Speaker 4: were done earlier in the game and then playing off
Speaker 4: their suppositions of where he's going. Right, So like you
Speaker 4: get some of that cool stuff. He creates separation like
Speaker 4: the rest of us breathe there. It was like ninety
Speaker 4: fifth percentile separation rate during his career. And not only that,
Speaker 4: you have this crazy we've been talking about catcher aises.
Speaker 4: But this kid's got a crazy one. It's six sex
Speaker 4: and then he has the stretch armstrong arms, and he
Speaker 4: doesn't drop literally anything, and and there's this is not
Speaker 4: an apocryphal story. This is a true story. Colson Loveland's
Speaker 4: background will remind you of Roy Hobbs from the natural
Speaker 4: Roy Hobbs. He's out there on the family farm and
Speaker 4: he's drawn you know, the little square on the side
Speaker 4: of the red farm.
Speaker 3: And that's how he's doing his accuracy and stuff like this.
Speaker 4: Colson Loveland grew up on a family farm out in
Speaker 4: the fields of Idaho, Idaho, and his job Colson Loveland
Speaker 4: as a kid, him and his brother, they send him
Speaker 4: out to the fields to pick out the big rocks
Speaker 4: before the machines got out there.
Speaker 3: To tell wow, the rocks that would chew up the machines. Right,
Speaker 3: So Coltson and his brother would go out there huge rocks.
Speaker 4: We're not talking that skipping keebble. We're talking about boulders.
Speaker 4: So that that is how that kid developed his hands, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, like you want to about callous strong hands
Speaker 4: pick up rocks in the field to idahol your entire life.
Speaker 4: That that is where that kid came from. So I mean,
Speaker 4: it's absolutely ridiculous. And by the way, those callous rock
Speaker 4: hard and hands from the fields idle ten ten inches
Speaker 4: on that, So I mean he has meek believer baseball
Speaker 4: glove sized hands as well, and he doesn't drop anything.
Speaker 4: So you have that crazy catch radius, you have the
Speaker 4: ability to create separation, and then you have the thing
Speaker 4: of strong safety on him or the outside linebacker, the
Speaker 4: regular nickel or whatever. You have matchup problems no matter
Speaker 4: who you toss at him, especially because he wins down
Speaker 4: the field so well, So that that is what he
Speaker 4: is bringing to an offense.
Speaker 1: Colson Loveland, if he's there for Harbaugh and the Chargers
Speaker 1: pick in the first round, they're picking like twenty where
Speaker 1: are they they are picking twenty twenty two? That's does it?
Speaker 1: Is it automatic? Is it feels automatic?
Speaker 3: It's to me, it feels pretty close. Now.
Speaker 4: One complicating factor is if Kenneth Grant is there as well,
Speaker 4: a defensive tackle who Jim Harby brought to Michigan, and
Speaker 4: one's called a gift from the football gods. But Jim Jim,
Speaker 4: his twenty twenty three team was so good. There's a
Speaker 4: couple guys Jim's like, can I get my former player
Speaker 4: back right to twenty two? But yeah, if Colson Loveland
Speaker 4: gets there, I do not see Jim taking a wide
Speaker 4: receiver in the first round. I know people have that
Speaker 4: up there as a need, but that's not really hardball's ethos.
Speaker 4: But he loves players like this and he'll develop him
Speaker 4: at Michigan.
Speaker 1: All right, Just one last thing on Loveland that I
Speaker 1: want to hit you with. Sometimes, if a player is
Speaker 1: so good at separation, we don't really have a read
Speaker 1: on how that player is and going to contested catch
Speaker 1: situations because they separated so well that you didn't get
Speaker 1: a lot of tape of that player in in contested
Speaker 1: catch situations. And I can see where somebody that at
Speaker 1: a ninety five percent separation, right, like you're talking about
Speaker 1: maybe that's an open question mark on Colson Loveland.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's it's the one part that you can nipick,
Speaker 4: especially down the field. His numbers career were not great.
Speaker 4: Ten of twenty five career in contesting catch situations. Now
Speaker 4: the number is lower because he creates separation so well. Right,
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, sort of the two ends
Speaker 4: of it. But he wants to he wants to get
Speaker 4: a step or two on you and then finish the
Speaker 4: job with that enormous catch radius. Right, it's like the catcher.
Speaker 4: It's like a fisherman's net in the ocean kind of
Speaker 4: a thing, like just drop it anywhere in here and
Speaker 4: I'm coming down with it. And his ability to contort
Speaker 4: as well with the body in addition to that. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the thing where if the defender happens to be on
Speaker 4: the doorstep there and is able to contest that catchpoint,
Speaker 4: that is where we have seen some struggles with Colson
Speaker 4: Lovelin because he's that big skyscraper and there is sort
Speaker 4: of that finesse element.
Speaker 3: He's a tough kid.
Speaker 4: So I don't mean to say that it's just the
Speaker 4: way he's winning. It's with movement, it's with that catch radius,
Speaker 4: and it's with nohow at the catch point. But when
Speaker 4: there's guys in this, for instance, not a tight end
Speaker 4: but a wide receiver Tedoroa McMillan is he he wants
Speaker 4: you around him at the catchpoint and he doesn't care
Speaker 4: if you want to jostle. In fact, he loves it.
Speaker 4: You try to come through his back, no problem, You're
Speaker 4: not going to break his concentration. You're you're not going
Speaker 4: to break his process. Colson Lovelin's different, different like that.
Speaker 4: And one way you can if you can stay with
Speaker 4: him up to the point of the catchpoint. Easier said
Speaker 4: than done, but jostling with him there and then and
Speaker 4: then trying to get it to the point where then
Speaker 4: the ref one and throw the flight, but your your
Speaker 4: jarring a little bit. That's one way that you can
Speaker 4: try to take the pull out of the middle of
Speaker 4: the circus ten at the catchpoint.
Speaker 1: When we come back from our break, we're gonna find
Speaker 1: out why the player who shattered the single season FBS
Speaker 1: records for both tight end receptions and tight end receiving
Speaker 1: yards is not tight end number three yet. And we'll
Speaker 1: find out more about him when we come back to
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Weekly. Welcome back segment number two Fantasy Football Weekly.
Speaker 1: I'll Charting and thorwn Eistrom with you. Thanks for listening today.
Speaker 1: Next week we'll break down the quarterback position, cam Ward
Speaker 1: and others. How many how many quarterbacks do you do
Speaker 1: you you've got two quarterbacks in the first round, right,
Speaker 1: I don't think your MOC has got three in the
Speaker 1: first round, correct, Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm at too, Jackson.
Speaker 4: Derek could go at the end of the first but yeah,
Speaker 4: I you know, early second rounder for me, Jackson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do the deep dive on that next week.
Speaker 1: Let's go to your number three ranked, number ten, number
Speaker 1: three ranked tight end, Terrence Ferguson from or Again. Your
Speaker 1: comp here is Kate Aughton. Tell me more about Terrence Ferguson.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, this is not a guy that
Speaker 1: I've that I've seen a lot on. So I need
Speaker 1: you to get me up to speed here. I I yeah,
Speaker 1: get me up to speed on Terrence Ferguson. Help me out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm definitely a little bit higher on Terrence
Speaker 4: Ferguson than I think the rest of the industry. He
Speaker 4: probably closer to tight end five in the consensus, but
Speaker 4: I just really like his game because it is fully
Speaker 4: fleshed out and the versatility is there as well.
Speaker 3: But six five to have two forty seven.
Speaker 4: He plays a little bit above two fifty and then
Speaker 4: a fabulous athlete. I mean he was the best test
Speaker 4: an athlete that we had the NFL combine four six
Speaker 4: three forty one five to five ten yards split high
Speaker 4: high end thirty nine inch vertical was incredible.
Speaker 3: Over ten inch that's crazy guy, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: And then you have the really long wingspan with him
Speaker 4: to over eighty one of the longest wingspans in this
Speaker 4: tight end class, and it's one of the few guys
Speaker 4: that has true can absolutely play the in line. And
Speaker 4: then he's super comfortable in the slot as well, So
Speaker 4: you have versatility, whether it's the eleven personal offense, whether
Speaker 4: it's a twelve personal offense, and then where is he deployed.
Speaker 3: Not a ton of tight end tight ends in the
Speaker 3: class you can.
Speaker 4: Say that about. You can absolutely say it about Ferguson.
Speaker 4: He gives you effort as a blocker, not a crushing
Speaker 4: blocker or anything, but you can rely on him in line.
Speaker 3: And then I like his hands.
Speaker 4: Five percent drop rate over one hundred and eighty three
Speaker 4: career targets really good. Saw him quite a bit spearing
Speaker 4: the ball outside of his frame. He's good at positioning
Speaker 4: his body and then for those air and throw sort
Speaker 4: of fishing them all. So he becomes the quarterback's best
Speaker 4: friend with that. But yeah, it's you know, I think
Speaker 4: maybe it's just there's a lack of sex appeal there
Speaker 4: because some of the other guys had higher numbers than him,
Speaker 4: or they were talked about more these different things, and
Speaker 4: it's like Terrence Ferguson is just sort of lurking. I
Speaker 4: think he's gonna go higher than people think once we
Speaker 4: get to the end of April.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you don't have him going in the first round.
Speaker 1: You've got Warren Lovelin going in the first round, but
Speaker 1: not Ferguson. Do you feel like there's he is a
Speaker 1: day he is a round two tight end.
Speaker 4: I think he'll go in round two, yes, and if
Speaker 4: he doesn't, he is gonna go very quickly when round
Speaker 4: three opens.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've seen him mocked all over the second round
Speaker 1: to a bunch of different teams when we've already highlighted
Speaker 1: some of the different landing spots. Thanks, let's go to
Speaker 1: one of the players that has the most amazing possible
Speaker 1: pedigree to enter to enter the NFL as you could
Speaker 1: ever ask. Now if I remember this correctly, because it's
Speaker 1: been a while, Fame linebacker Jason Taylor married the sister
Speaker 1: of Hall of Fame defensive end Zach Thomas. Am I
Speaker 1: do remember that correct and they had a baby. Mason
Speaker 1: Taylor is that right.
Speaker 3: Well, Mason, he's he's Jason's son.
Speaker 1: He's Jason's son, right and and uncle is Zach is
Speaker 1: uncle Zach? So didn't okay, right, So didn't Jason marry
Speaker 1: Zach's sister? Then? If I got this correct, I think I.
Speaker 3: Did, was you know I or else it was Zach
Speaker 3: with his sister, But that part I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's I think. Yeah, all right, So regardless, he's the
Speaker 1: son of Jason Taylor and the nephew of Zach Thomas,
Speaker 1: which you know, both amazing players. Uh. Here's the one
Speaker 1: of the stats I got from that I'm stealing directly
Speaker 1: from your article at fantasylife dot com. One drop on
Speaker 1: seventy nine targets last year for Mason Taylor.
Speaker 4: Very good hands obviously, very very good hand, big hands
Speaker 4: as well, and and he's got the frame as well,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean like it came from the DNA.
Speaker 3: Game from absolutely incredible. And it's funny. He he looks
Speaker 3: strikingly like his father.
Speaker 4: You know, we were down there in Mobile and Jason
Speaker 4: Taylor was probably on the sidelines all week, and then
Speaker 4: after practice, you know, we got to walk on the
Speaker 4: field and you'd walk by the two and it's it
Speaker 4: was started the spit and image thing. So so he
Speaker 4: he was Mason was blessed with with a very similar
Speaker 4: frame and similar athleticism. He's a ninety second percentile athlete
Speaker 4: with the test that that he has already put in.
Speaker 4: So so that stuff's all good. And and you know
Speaker 4: we mentioned the hands as well. It's a it's an
Speaker 4: interesting profile on the field, and it's there's some stuff
Speaker 4: that it was hard for me to kind of put
Speaker 4: my finger on the in line. He's he's an acceptable
Speaker 4: and up blocker there that that he can play in
Speaker 4: line in the NFL. And the thing he's the best
Speaker 4: at Mason and and maybe this comes just from being
Speaker 4: around the game as long as he was, you know,
Speaker 4: it's like, uh, you know, it's like when you're a kid,
Speaker 4: you're out there, you're the ball boy and then you're
Speaker 4: running rouse for it, you know whatever. But like he
Speaker 4: was really good when LSU, they would go down the
Speaker 4: field and then you start getting the defense and moving
Speaker 4: back a little bit and then they do like a
Speaker 4: play action concept and boot out and Garrett Neusmyer their quarterback.
Speaker 4: The timing that he had with Mason Taylor on those
Speaker 4: things like Mason would do, like the hard ship. You're
Speaker 4: pretending your run bocking, but then you get out and
Speaker 4: it's like five years upfield. You cut the clean corner
Speaker 4: out and then you turn around. And the ball was
Speaker 4: always on his hands like they just had a really
Speaker 4: good sort of chemistry, and he never dropped the ball.
Speaker 4: So that's why why my you know, kept throwing it
Speaker 4: to him. But the interesting thing about the profile as
Speaker 4: a receiver was LSU rarely sent.
Speaker 3: Him down the field. And that's what you can see
Speaker 3: it both. You can see it two ways.
Speaker 4: Is it they didn't trust him to do that or
Speaker 4: is it that their receivers were really good going down
Speaker 4: the field. I mean, we know the receivers that he
Speaker 4: played with, so we know that. The second, it's certainly true.
Speaker 4: And is that the reason they didn't send it down
Speaker 4: the field because they already had guys that could do that.
Speaker 4: So it's one interesting thing to keep in mind. The
Speaker 4: other one is for a whose usage was what it was.
Speaker 4: You know, his A dot was on the lower end
Speaker 4: for this class. I mentioned the way that they predominantly
Speaker 4: use him off of that hiss uh the A dot you.
Speaker 3: Know, I can't pull it up real quick here.
Speaker 4: But but anyway, for a guy with that usage, the
Speaker 4: yards after the catch was not what you would think
Speaker 4: it would be. I was a little bit disappointed by that.
Speaker 4: It was a little bit stationed to station with that.
Speaker 4: But I was looking at the Senior Bowl. You're the
Speaker 4: running after the catch. That's not something that you're going
Speaker 4: to see much there because the way the practices are.
Speaker 4: But you got to see a lot of the downfield
Speaker 4: stuff because the one on ones.
Speaker 3: He looked good down the field and we didn't get.
Speaker 4: To see it as much on his LSU tape, So
Speaker 4: that was something again actively monitoring. And he made some
Speaker 4: nice contests to catches down the field at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: So it's not something in his value, as you say,
Speaker 3: can't do it.
Speaker 4: They just didn't use him like that at LSU, and
Speaker 4: we did get to see a little bit at the
Speaker 4: Senier Bowl for whatever it's worth, but you get at
Speaker 4: least the efficiency as a receiver and a guy in
Speaker 4: a timing concept off defense that is going to be
Speaker 4: super reliable. He's always going to be at the spot
Speaker 4: the exact millisecond that that the concept calls for, and
Speaker 4: he's not going to drop the ball for you, and
Speaker 4: then you get the the inline frame, you get a
Speaker 4: guy who can do a little bit of blocking for you.
Speaker 4: I just think the ceiling probably isn't quite as high
Speaker 4: as maybe you know, between the name and between where
Speaker 4: he's coming from, the pedigree, the athletic profile. I don't
Speaker 4: think it's quite as high as that stuff suggests. But
Speaker 4: this guy is going to be a reliable starter for.
Speaker 3: A long time.
Speaker 1: What round do you have Mason Taylor going in?
Speaker 3: To me, it would be laid second, early third for Mason.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's uh, that's that's mostly where I
Speaker 1: see him getting mocked, including potentially two to the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: So does a team we didn't really talk about, they've
Speaker 1: got NOA Fan. Do you think the teams are ready?
Speaker 1: Do you think Seahawks might be ready? We're finally thrown
Speaker 1: in the towel on Noah Fan. Is that possible?
Speaker 3: They they should? Yeah, they should, definite.
Speaker 4: I mean it hurts my heart to say, is a
Speaker 4: guy who graduated from from Iowa be yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: I'm sorry out I know if I was, I was,
Speaker 4: I was a little bit lower on No.
Speaker 3: A Fan his draft class.
Speaker 4: But for them, they have a J Barner as that
Speaker 4: crushing sort of blockers, so you can take care of
Speaker 4: in line. The Seahawks would be a team that they
Speaker 4: would be on the short list for one of these
Speaker 4: other slot only guys and maybe the next guy we're
Speaker 4: going to talk about. There's not every team could take him.
Speaker 4: If Seahawks could absolutely consider it. If you're looking to
Speaker 4: a Jack fan.
Speaker 1: All right, So here's the answer on on Mason Taylor
Speaker 1: and his father. So I've got I've got it all.
Speaker 1: I got it all figured out. Now. It's taken me
Speaker 1: a little bit to get here, but we're here. Jason
Speaker 1: Taylor did in fact, Mary Zach Zach Thomas's sister, and
Speaker 1: her name was Katina. You didn't need to know that,
Speaker 1: but you do. They had three kids together. Unfortunately they
Speaker 1: ended up divorced in twenty fifteen. Taylor has since remarried,
Speaker 1: by the way, and they've got they've had they got
Speaker 1: a baby boy in August of twenty twenty one. And
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 3: Almost assuredly evaluate him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then Taylor's sister is the former news
Speaker 1: anchor on The Herd with Colin Coward on Fox Sports One.
Speaker 1: Who knew?
Speaker 3: Oh wait, Joy Taylor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joy Taylor. I had no idea Joy Taylor in
Speaker 1: the family, all the family. Yes. The next one up
Speaker 1: for you is Isaiah Taylor is playing college football at
Speaker 1: Arizona according to Wikipedia here, So you may end up
Speaker 1: breaking him down at some point.
Speaker 3: Well, we got all the tailors in the pipeline.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, let's go to your fifth rank to a
Speaker 1: tight end and this will be our last one for
Speaker 1: this show. Harold Fannon played for Bowling Green and that
Speaker 1: ends up changing the entire conversation that we're going to
Speaker 1: have about him. Insane productivity. As I mentioned going into
Speaker 1: the break, he set the single season FBS record at
Speaker 1: the tight end position in receptions and receiving yards one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen receptions last year, fifteen hundred receiving yards,
Speaker 1: and he set three different pff ERA records yards after contact,
Speaker 1: miss tackles, force, and receiving grade overall. And so help
Speaker 1: me understand why Harold Fannin is not tight end one
Speaker 1: in this class.
Speaker 4: Because he's not gonna he's not gonna block for you
Speaker 4: in line, or you probably should never play him in line.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to yank the slot receiver out there.
Speaker 4: It's a you know, a twelve personnel offense type thing.
Speaker 4: You have your inline guy, yeah, and then Fannin is
Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna take over the slot thing, but you're
Speaker 4: gonna play them all over the place.
Speaker 3: You're gonna shift them all over the place.
Speaker 4: He's the guy that's gonna give you the tell before
Speaker 4: the snap of if the defense is a manner and zone,
Speaker 4: you know, depending on if they're trailing them and that
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. And then you shift them around too
Speaker 4: to get to get him into advantageous matchups. Right, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's that's what you're looking to do with Harold Fannin.
Speaker 4: It's he's a shadeover six threes two forty one, and
Speaker 4: of course he's undersize, but just about the exact same
Speaker 4: dimensions as Evan Evan Ingram, so you know, just for
Speaker 4: for some context there.
Speaker 3: But very skilled receiver Harrold fann and he can win
Speaker 3: down the field.
Speaker 4: He's got to tracking the ball over his shoulders, extremely
Speaker 4: reliable hands.
Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't he doesn't drop the ball whatsoever.
Speaker 4: Over his career, only dropped two point two percent of
Speaker 4: his catchuble targets.
Speaker 3: So you have that going for you.
Speaker 4: And then as far as the content, you know, of
Speaker 4: course it's bowling Green, you know, so he gets dinged
Speaker 4: for that, and he gets dinged for being a little
Speaker 4: bit smaller. But the thing I'll tell you, especially last
Speaker 4: year Church, you know, they're in another human being on
Speaker 4: his plant watch more Max than I and Hail mash
Speaker 4: and and watching Bawling Green was super fun because it's
Speaker 4: just get the ball to Harrold, get the ball to well.
Speaker 4: The defense knew that their entire game plan was get
Speaker 4: the ball to Harrold. So when they were playing the
Speaker 4: mac opponents, of course it's not you know a lot
Speaker 4: of times non NFL.
Speaker 3: Defenders, but he was double team every play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, So like against those opponents, and then
Speaker 4: the times when they got to step up in competition,
Speaker 4: Harrold Fann and lit up Texas A and m Harrol
Speaker 4: Fann and lit up Penn State.
Speaker 3: Those defenses were about as good as we.
Speaker 4: Had in college football, and Harrold fan lit them, bolted up,
Speaker 4: and they knew what was coming to This kid has
Speaker 4: beaten NFL defenders when he has gotten to play them consistently.
Speaker 4: So I mean those numbers, you know, they they speak
Speaker 4: for themselves. It's a guy who's really good against zone.
Speaker 4: The overall yards per run was nearly three. He also
Speaker 4: does the contested catch things. He's good at using his body.
Speaker 4: The thing of you know, with the frame and the
Speaker 4: boxing out extends to the ball again, doesn't drop it.
Speaker 4: You can do a lot of things with him as
Speaker 4: a receiver, but you have to have the creative staff
Speaker 4: and you have to know his limitations. You don't want
Speaker 4: to put him in this in line and have him
Speaker 4: go against a ward daddy power end. I will say, though,
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean he can't block. His kid's actually a
Speaker 4: good blocker. Okay, it's just he can't do it in
Speaker 4: line against the power because it's he's gonna get Trump carded.
Speaker 4: But it's a guy who gives you fabulous effort and
Speaker 4: so like as the space guy, when he's out in
Speaker 4: the slot, you do not have.
Speaker 3: To worry about that. He will take care of the nickel.
Speaker 4: And then when they shift him into the backfield because
Speaker 4: they love doing that too, then he becomes the lead blocker.
Speaker 3: He's good at that too.
Speaker 4: It's just you can't put him in in line at
Speaker 4: the NFL level just because of the power discrepancy.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is.
Speaker 4: A player that I really really like, and I think,
Speaker 4: you know, he finds the right situation, he's gonna catch.
Speaker 3: A lot of balls.
Speaker 1: Harold Fannin When I when I watch him, I I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm watching a large wide receiver more than
Speaker 1: a small tight end. Do you feel like that's fair?
Speaker 4: I do, because he can he can do so much.
Speaker 4: It's it's not just the peer. Oh, you have to
Speaker 4: manufacture the touch for him.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 4: He can win intermediate with the route running and the
Speaker 4: ball skills, and he can win down the field too.
Speaker 3: You can throw a lollipops up to him.
Speaker 4: And they do interesting things with his routes too, you know,
Speaker 4: like some times they would do like a delayed sort
Speaker 4: of like a wheel route to get him down the
Speaker 4: sideline where they knew it would be the one on
Speaker 4: one covers. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, you're dialing it up
Speaker 4: at that point. You were tossing it up to Harold
Speaker 4: fan and one on one and again those ball scales play.
Speaker 4: It's it's impressive for me with the tight ends in
Speaker 4: college when you see over the shoulder thing and the
Speaker 4: guys that are natural at that, because that's it's a
Speaker 4: rare trade for college tight ends he's got it.
Speaker 3: So, like you know, some of the I get the trepidation.
Speaker 4: About the profile, and I acknowledge the limitations of it.
Speaker 4: But for a creative offensive staff and you run the
Speaker 4: twelve personnel offense, you're gonna be able to do a
Speaker 4: whole lot of things with that kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm just trying to find the
Speaker 1: downside here in Harold Fannin And so I just get
Speaker 1: the feeling if he drops into the right spot latter
Speaker 1: part of round two, where there's some really good teams
Speaker 1: at the obviously the bottom of the at the at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the round, and I just get the feeling,
Speaker 1: this kid's gonna be productive with somebody if he gets
Speaker 1: into the right thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Seahawks would make a lot of sense,
Speaker 4: you know, like we're just talking about an offensive type
Speaker 4: that he would be awesome. And I don't know that
Speaker 4: they can take him because they lack picks.
Speaker 3: But our local Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 4: Now, if you have Hawkinson and then they signed Rondell
Speaker 4: Moore as well, so you have some sort of supervolous
Speaker 4: things there. But that's the sort of offense, sort of
Speaker 4: the creative mind that you want to go in and
Speaker 4: it guy with the twelve personnel leanings there. You know,
Speaker 4: they have Josh Oliver and then they have him sometimes,
Speaker 4: but they use the big slot in that offense what TJ.
Speaker 4: Hawkinson is, but hero Fantom would be. That's the sort
Speaker 4: of offense that he should be playing in.
Speaker 1: You know, if if things don't drop for Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: right in the right way for him to get love
Speaker 1: him right. So now eight pick eighty six Chargers that
Speaker 1: could be Harold fannin.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Yeah, and they signed our boy Gronklin,
Speaker 4: but like short term and and and yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: like fan and again yeah for for a guy in
Speaker 4: Harbad that likes to create the mismatches out of this slot.
Speaker 3: With a guy like that fan and can get it.
Speaker 4: N It's not the same thing as with with Lovelan
Speaker 4: with the catch the enormous catch raids. Yet Fanny you
Speaker 4: can do the different stuff with him.
Speaker 1: Thor awesome as always. Thanks so much for your time
Speaker 1: and getting us a lot smarter and tight ends. And
Speaker 1: next week let's stop quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: Let's do it all.
Speaker 1: Right, can't wait. Thanks my man, Thank you for listening, everybody.
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