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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly

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Speaker 2: source for the nation's best fantasy football advice, speculation, and

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Speaker 2: whatever stupid stuff they decide to drop into the show.

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Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Paul charge It.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it is Fantasy Football Weekly. Our draft prep

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Speaker 1: continues with Thorn and Eistrom. We've already hit in previous

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Speaker 1: shows running backs and two different shows wide Receivers last week,

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Speaker 1: and now tight ends will turn our attention to quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: next week. Hey, Thor, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Yoh, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: Oh awesome? Got It's just you know, for those of

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Speaker 1: us in the industry, this is this is arguably and

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Speaker 1: by the industry. How about if we just say the

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Speaker 1: sports industry, what a great April's just the best. You

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Speaker 1: get the Masters, you get Final for More, you get

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Speaker 1: the start of baseball season, you get the foot NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: you get hockey into the regular season in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: you get basketball regular season into playoffs. It's just April.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's the single best month for sports fans.

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Speaker 4: And of course leading that dance, it's draft season, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's number that's one one on the board.

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Speaker 1: For me, it is, I mean, it's it is for me,

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Speaker 1: and it's uh, I think what I love about it

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Speaker 1: as much as anything else is that we spend months,

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Speaker 1: like you know, second guessing, evaluating, predicting, and then it

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Speaker 1: all just unravels in real time and you get to

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Speaker 1: find out you know, what you knew, what you didn't know,

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Speaker 1: what you'd expected, what didn't happen, you know, the things

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Speaker 1: that went to form. I just I love all the

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Speaker 1: drama of the draft thor.

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's it's incredible, and then you have all

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Speaker 4: your theories for speaking to someone who does you know,

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Speaker 4: twenty mob drafts every process like it, you know, you

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Speaker 4: you think like heading in every time, it's like I

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Speaker 4: know how it's gonna go this time, and every then

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Speaker 4: it's a one team rose the big curve ball, and

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Speaker 4: then it's like what's that Ashton Kutcher but butterfly effect? Right,

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Speaker 4: Like it's like one thing changes now you know, someone's

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Speaker 4: on the board unexpectedly, and then everything else after that changes.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's a tremendous process and it's it's

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Speaker 4: it's just fabulous theater. Once once the Bell opens on

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Speaker 4: the last Thursday night of April.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The best butterfly effect movies. I I think you

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Speaker 1: could say Back to the Future was a but a

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Speaker 1: butterfly effect movie, right, Butleroid. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: Marty McFly goes back changes, you know, does not does

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Speaker 1: And so I think that would count as a butterfly

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Speaker 4: Would I I have another one I'd like, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: please and and and it's another one with multiple films

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Speaker 4: in the in the catalog, the final Destination in franchise.

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Speaker 1: See I've never seen them because it looks well, I've

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Speaker 1: never seen him say, I'll look like it's a bunch

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Speaker 1: of people getting murdered. But what is the Tell me

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Speaker 4: Well, the first one is a classic. You got to

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Speaker 4: see the first one. But they're they're gonna go on.

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Speaker 4: Uh it's like a school trip, but it's like you know,

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Speaker 4: Europe or something. And then but they don't end up

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Speaker 4: getting on the plane, and then the plane goes down,

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Speaker 4: and then the idea is like, oh the grim Reaper,

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Speaker 4: like you know, you got saved. So then it's like

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Speaker 4: they they're, they're, they're, they're going one by one kind of.

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Speaker 1: Oh got you got you okay, all right? And they

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Speaker 1: spend how many final destinations now like.

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Speaker 3: Four at this point, I think it's like like six

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Speaker 1: Probably because God forbid, you just let something good rest.

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Speaker 1: A foreign movie that is sort of a classic in

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Speaker 1: this genre is called Run, Lola Run. It's a German movie.

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Speaker 1: It came out like two thousand maybe, and it's fantastic,

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Speaker 1: and it's a it's a woman who has to deliver

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Speaker 1: And it tells the story three consecutive times if memory serves,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but Lola did not a really good

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Speaker 4: We're going to the We're going to the blackjack table.

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Speaker 4: If I'm ever in that scenario.

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Speaker 1: I like that? Are you? Is that what you if

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Speaker 1: you if you suddenly had one hundred grandropped on you,

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: If if like if like I need it, if it

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Speaker 4: double this up?

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Speaker 1: Roulette. I mean you get you know what you get

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Speaker 1: through done? Right, So you're like, all right, I'll just

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Speaker 1: Does Interstellar count as a butterfly effect movie?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It does.

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Speaker 4: Remember that part where he's like he's banging on the

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Speaker 4: thing and that, but then the guy can't hear from

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Speaker 4: the past or whatever, like I it is because it's

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Speaker 4: Interstellar is great, and the draft is very The draft

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Speaker 4: is very much like that, right, I mean, like you

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Speaker 4: look back and oh man, why do we do that?

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Speaker 3: Why do we do?

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Speaker 4: You just want to you know, shake the GM, like, bro,

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Speaker 4: don't do that, right, You're five years in the future.

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Speaker 3: Why did you know? Don't do that?

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Speaker 1: And you know here, okay, last year's draft, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: up being absolutely the right move for them, as it

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Speaker 1: turned out, but that changed. You know, nobody's mock was

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Speaker 4: Yeah A percent, Yeah, I mean then you had the

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Speaker 3: Terry Fontina and his machinations there.

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Speaker 1: Well lookie, but he got it right. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, probably shouldn't have given him that money.

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Speaker 1: No, they should not have given him that money, as

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Speaker 1: McCarthy should have been the pick for Atlanta at eight.

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Speaker 3: I'm so so happy that Terry Fino.

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Speaker 1: Made all right, let's dive into tight ends rookie titands.

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Speaker 1: I think we've managed to go seven minutes into this podcast,

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Speaker 1: and that's that is okay. And by the way, feel

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Speaker 1: free to tweet us. You've got other great butterfly effect

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Speaker 1: movies that we're not thinking of. Well, we'd gladly take

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Speaker 1: that at this time of year. At thorn Eystrom, at

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Speaker 1: thor K H. Rock Shuk and at Paul Chargion. Let's

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Speaker 1: dive into rookie tight ends. My man, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: we can't We're not going to get another brock Bauers.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. But I am seeing Tyler Warden Warren

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Speaker 4: It's it's very good, uh, Tyler Warren. It's it's one

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Speaker 4: And then Colson Lovelin is a surefire first round cross

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Speaker 4: and they're they're different kinds of guys. Colston is is

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Speaker 4: Warren is you you said we don't have a brock bars,

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Speaker 4: He's two and a half inches taller than Bowers and

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Speaker 4: like twenty five pounds heavier. So like it's it's interesting there.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, even beyond that, you get into day two,

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Speaker 4: there's I would say four other super duper interesting names

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Speaker 4: So like that's you know that you would mention that

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about teams that could take a tight end

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Speaker 1: end right now on Rosters Stone Smart, Jets need a

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Speaker 1: they could just use a really talented receiving tight end.

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Speaker 1: The Colts, even I have given up on john Woods.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And and Harbaugh obviously loves his twelve personnel offense,

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Speaker 4: So Tyler Warren gets to nine, I think you might

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Speaker 3: Around Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, well let's go to Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 1: He's your number one, and he's most people's number one

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Speaker 1: overall tight end. Here, your comp is Jeremy Shockey, which

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Speaker 1: You know, he had almost fine. I've got the numbers

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Speaker 1: Tyler Warden Warren because in heart, dude is nasty and violent,

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Speaker 1: and I you don't always get that out of today's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he sure is.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's not really instructive to think of him

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Speaker 4: the different manufactured souff. That's what Penn State started doing

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Speaker 4: with Tyler Warren and he went absolutely berserk. But to

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Speaker 4: your point, with the ball in his heads, that kid

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Speaker 4: ask him John Riggins. Yeah, Tyler Warren and his father

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Speaker 4: He runs like John Riggins if John Riggins was six

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Speaker 3: You just think of that.

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Speaker 4: This kid is not afraid of contact. He will seek

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Speaker 4: There is not a ton of nuance when he has

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that is Tyler Warren with the ball in

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Speaker 4: and then all the cool concepts you can do with him.

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Speaker 4: One of the Penn State like to take three yards

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Speaker 4: you know, as the receiver, he also wins downfield. The

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Speaker 4: But he lacks the reach and so when he's in

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Speaker 3: But that's the one sort of nippick you can do

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Speaker 4: As far as what fantasy owners actually care about, he

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Speaker 4: Tyler Warren came into college as a dual threat quarterback,

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Speaker 4: and there are circumstances where that points you at the truth.

438
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Speaker 4: There's also circumstances where it points you away from the truth.

439
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Speaker 4: And keep in mind with Tyler Warren, tight end is

440
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Speaker 4: a slow developing position. Anyway, he went to college having

441
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,479
Speaker 4: never played it before. So I just want to give

442
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 4: that contextual benefit of the debt or.

443
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Speaker 1: Having caught passes, right, I mean, he was a dual

444
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Speaker 1: threat quarterback, so he wasn't even catching that and let

445
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 1: alone trying to block for all the comps from Tyler Warren,

446
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 1: and we spent a ton of time on, but you know,

447
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 1: you didn't mention Gronk, and I just feel like the

448
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 1: part of it that reminds me of Gronk is just

449
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 1: the willingness, the physical play and the willingness to attack tacklers,

450
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: which you just don't see from all that many tight ends,

451
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 1: even though it's a physical position, weren't. I think's on

452
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 1: a different level from that. And so I, you know,

453
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 1: I hesitate to compare anybody to Gronk because he's just

454
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: so special, but he's, you know, like Gronk. You know,

455
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 1: Gronk was too big for safeties to cover him, and

456
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: he was too shifty and fast for linebackers to cover him.

457
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Speaker 1: And I feel like that's Tyler Warren's got some of

458
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: that in him.

459
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Speaker 4: It's it's a great car as far as the physical

460
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 4: dimensions and as far as the athletic profile in those

461
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 4: physical dimensions, and then the way they look both catching

462
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 4: them all down the field and then as the berserker runners,

463
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Speaker 4: those things all scream Gronk and I actually, I I

464
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 4: did flirt with that as a comp The reason I

465
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 4: couldn't do that is Gronk's one of the better blocking

466
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 4: tight ends from the inline position that you'll ever see,

467
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 4: and it's what made them just next next level because

468
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 4: you had that stuff with the ball and then you

469
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 4: had the blocking as well. Warren, that's where he fell

470
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Speaker 4: a little bit short. So that's why I ended up

471
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Speaker 4: getting off that comp. But yeah, just as far as

472
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Speaker 4: with the ball, in those facets in the frame and

473
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Speaker 4: the athleticism, absolutely a lot of stuff of Bolk's Gronk.

474
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Speaker 1: Let's go to your number two tight end. We've already

475
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Speaker 1: mentioned Jim Harbaugh Watts his tight end at Michigan. Colston

476
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Speaker 1: Loveland is your number two overall. You've got as comp

477
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Speaker 1: as Mark Anders and you've got him going in the

478
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Speaker 1: first round.

479
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Colson Love.

480
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Speaker 4: It's a very different kind of a tight end than

481
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Speaker 4: Tyler Warren. Colson Loveland is your your big slot in

482
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Speaker 4: a twelve personnel offense. So this in offense, you already

483
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 4: have your peer blocking in line tight end and then

484
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 4: Colton Loveland is going to take over your slot. But

485
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 4: you can also line them up on the boundary. Michigan

486
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Speaker 4: did that I think twenty percent of his snaps, and

487
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Speaker 4: you can put him in line just a little bit.

488
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 4: But if you are counting on him to tango with

489
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Speaker 4: war daddy defensive ends in the NFL. He is going

490
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Speaker 4: to get ragged gulp by that. It's just not his game.

491
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Speaker 4: He's a big skyscraper and there is some finesse. He

492
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Speaker 4: gives effort as a blocker, and by the way, he's

493
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Speaker 4: a very good space blocker. He just overwhelms you with

494
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 4: his length and his effort. But you know, it's sort

495
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Speaker 4: of one caveat with that. But as far as the

496
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Speaker 4: sort of move tight end the big slot in that

497
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 4: twelve personnel offense, it's hard to do better than this kid.

498
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Speaker 3: He runs all the route tree, all of it. He

499
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Speaker 3: runs a full receiver's route tree.

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Speaker 4: That is why you can interchangeably switch in between the

501
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 4: slot and the boundary. He knows what he's doing, understands leverage,

502
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: understands angles, understands setting defenders up by miming actions that

503
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Speaker 4: were done earlier in the game and then playing off

504
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 4: their suppositions of where he's going. Right, So like you

505
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: get some of that cool stuff. He creates separation like

506
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Speaker 4: the rest of us breathe there. It was like ninety

507
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Speaker 4: fifth percentile separation rate during his career. And not only that,

508
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: you have this crazy we've been talking about catcher aises.

509
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 4: But this kid's got a crazy one. It's six sex

510
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 4: and then he has the stretch armstrong arms, and he

511
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 4: doesn't drop literally anything, and and there's this is not

512
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Speaker 4: an apocryphal story. This is a true story. Colson Loveland's

513
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: background will remind you of Roy Hobbs from the natural

514
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 4: Roy Hobbs. He's out there on the family farm and

515
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Speaker 4: he's drawn you know, the little square on the side

516
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 4: of the red farm.

517
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Speaker 3: And that's how he's doing his accuracy and stuff like this.

518
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 4: Colson Loveland grew up on a family farm out in

519
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 4: the fields of Idaho, Idaho, and his job Colson Loveland

520
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: as a kid, him and his brother, they send him

521
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Speaker 4: out to the fields to pick out the big rocks

522
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Speaker 4: before the machines got out there.

523
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: To tell wow, the rocks that would chew up the machines. Right,

524
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 3: So Coltson and his brother would go out there huge rocks.

525
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 4: We're not talking that skipping keebble. We're talking about boulders.

526
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 4: So that that is how that kid developed his hands, right,

527
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 4: I mean, like you want to about callous strong hands

528
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 4: pick up rocks in the field to idahol your entire life.

529
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 4: That that is where that kid came from. So I mean,

530
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 4: it's absolutely ridiculous. And by the way, those callous rock

531
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Speaker 4: hard and hands from the fields idle ten ten inches

532
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 4: on that, So I mean he has meek believer baseball

533
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 4: glove sized hands as well, and he doesn't drop anything.

534
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 4: So you have that crazy catch radius, you have the

535
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: ability to create separation, and then you have the thing

536
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 4: of strong safety on him or the outside linebacker, the

537
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 4: regular nickel or whatever. You have matchup problems no matter

538
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 4: who you toss at him, especially because he wins down

539
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 4: the field so well, So that that is what he

540
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 4: is bringing to an offense.

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Speaker 1: Colson Loveland, if he's there for Harbaugh and the Chargers

542
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Speaker 1: pick in the first round, they're picking like twenty where

543
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: are they they are picking twenty twenty two? That's does it?

544
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: Is it automatic? Is it feels automatic?

545
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: It's to me, it feels pretty close. Now.

546
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Speaker 4: One complicating factor is if Kenneth Grant is there as well,

547
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 4: a defensive tackle who Jim Harby brought to Michigan, and

548
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 4: one's called a gift from the football gods. But Jim Jim,

549
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 4: his twenty twenty three team was so good. There's a

550
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: couple guys Jim's like, can I get my former player

551
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 4: back right to twenty two? But yeah, if Colson Loveland

552
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 4: gets there, I do not see Jim taking a wide

553
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 4: receiver in the first round. I know people have that

554
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 4: up there as a need, but that's not really hardball's ethos.

555
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: But he loves players like this and he'll develop him

556
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: at Michigan.

557
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: All right, Just one last thing on Loveland that I

558
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: want to hit you with. Sometimes, if a player is

559
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: so good at separation, we don't really have a read

560
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: on how that player is and going to contested catch

561
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: situations because they separated so well that you didn't get

562
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: a lot of tape of that player in in contested

563
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: catch situations. And I can see where somebody that at

564
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: a ninety five percent separation, right, like you're talking about

565
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: maybe that's an open question mark on Colson Loveland.

566
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's it's the one part that you can nipick,

567
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 4: especially down the field. His numbers career were not great.

568
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 4: Ten of twenty five career in contesting catch situations. Now

569
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 4: the number is lower because he creates separation so well. Right,

570
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, sort of the two ends

571
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 4: of it. But he wants to he wants to get

572
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 4: a step or two on you and then finish the

573
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 4: job with that enormous catch radius. Right, it's like the catcher.

574
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 4: It's like a fisherman's net in the ocean kind of

575
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 4: a thing, like just drop it anywhere in here and

576
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 4: I'm coming down with it. And his ability to contort

577
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: as well with the body in addition to that. But yeah,

578
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 4: the thing where if the defender happens to be on

579
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 4: the doorstep there and is able to contest that catchpoint,

580
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 4: that is where we have seen some struggles with Colson

581
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: Lovelin because he's that big skyscraper and there is sort

582
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 4: of that finesse element.

583
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: He's a tough kid.

584
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 4: So I don't mean to say that it's just the

585
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: way he's winning. It's with movement, it's with that catch radius,

586
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 4: and it's with nohow at the catch point. But when

587
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 4: there's guys in this, for instance, not a tight end

588
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 4: but a wide receiver Tedoroa McMillan is he he wants

589
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 4: you around him at the catchpoint and he doesn't care

590
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 4: if you want to jostle. In fact, he loves it.

591
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: You try to come through his back, no problem, You're

592
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: not going to break his concentration. You're you're not going

593
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 4: to break his process. Colson Lovelin's different, different like that.

594
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 4: And one way you can if you can stay with

595
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: him up to the point of the catchpoint. Easier said

596
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 4: than done, but jostling with him there and then and

597
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: then trying to get it to the point where then

598
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 4: the ref one and throw the flight, but your your

599
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: jarring a little bit. That's one way that you can

600
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 4: try to take the pull out of the middle of

601
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 4: the circus ten at the catchpoint.

602
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Speaker 1: When we come back from our break, we're gonna find

603
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: out why the player who shattered the single season FBS

604
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: records for both tight end receptions and tight end receiving

605
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: yards is not tight end number three yet. And we'll

606
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Speaker 1: find out more about him when we come back to

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Weekly. Welcome back segment number two Fantasy Football Weekly.

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Speaker 1: I'll Charting and thorwn Eistrom with you. Thanks for listening today.

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Speaker 1: Next week we'll break down the quarterback position, cam Ward

610
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Speaker 1: and others. How many how many quarterbacks do you do

611
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: you you've got two quarterbacks in the first round, right,

612
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't think your MOC has got three in the

613
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: first round, correct, Yeah?

614
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm at too, Jackson.

615
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: Derek could go at the end of the first but yeah,

616
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: I you know, early second rounder for me, Jackson.

617
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do the deep dive on that next week.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to your number three ranked, number ten, number

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Speaker 1: three ranked tight end, Terrence Ferguson from or Again. Your

620
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: comp here is Kate Aughton. Tell me more about Terrence Ferguson.

621
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, this is not a guy that

622
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: I've that I've seen a lot on. So I need

623
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: you to get me up to speed here. I I yeah,

624
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: get me up to speed on Terrence Ferguson. Help me out.

625
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm definitely a little bit higher on Terrence

626
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 4: Ferguson than I think the rest of the industry. He

627
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: probably closer to tight end five in the consensus, but

628
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: I just really like his game because it is fully

629
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: fleshed out and the versatility is there as well.

630
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: But six five to have two forty seven.

631
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: He plays a little bit above two fifty and then

632
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: a fabulous athlete. I mean he was the best test

633
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: an athlete that we had the NFL combine four six

634
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: three forty one five to five ten yards split high

635
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: high end thirty nine inch vertical was incredible.

636
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: Over ten inch that's crazy guy, yeah, exactly.

637
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 4: And then you have the really long wingspan with him

638
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: to over eighty one of the longest wingspans in this

639
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: tight end class, and it's one of the few guys

640
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: that has true can absolutely play the in line. And

641
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: then he's super comfortable in the slot as well, So

642
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: you have versatility, whether it's the eleven personal offense, whether

643
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: it's a twelve personal offense, and then where is he deployed.

644
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: Not a ton of tight end tight ends in the

645
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: class you can.

646
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: Say that about. You can absolutely say it about Ferguson.

647
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: He gives you effort as a blocker, not a crushing

648
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: blocker or anything, but you can rely on him in line.

649
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: And then I like his hands.

650
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 4: Five percent drop rate over one hundred and eighty three

651
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: career targets really good. Saw him quite a bit spearing

652
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 4: the ball outside of his frame. He's good at positioning

653
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 4: his body and then for those air and throw sort

654
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: of fishing them all. So he becomes the quarterback's best

655
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 4: friend with that. But yeah, it's you know, I think

656
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: maybe it's just there's a lack of sex appeal there

657
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: because some of the other guys had higher numbers than him,

658
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 4: or they were talked about more these different things, and

659
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: it's like Terrence Ferguson is just sort of lurking. I

660
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: think he's gonna go higher than people think once we

661
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: get to the end of April.

662
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you don't have him going in the first round.

663
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: You've got Warren Lovelin going in the first round, but

664
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: not Ferguson. Do you feel like there's he is a

665
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: day he is a round two tight end.

666
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 4: I think he'll go in round two, yes, and if

667
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: he doesn't, he is gonna go very quickly when round

668
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: three opens.

669
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I've seen him mocked all over the second round

670
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: to a bunch of different teams when we've already highlighted

671
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: some of the different landing spots. Thanks, let's go to

672
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: one of the players that has the most amazing possible

673
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: pedigree to enter to enter the NFL as you could

674
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: ever ask. Now if I remember this correctly, because it's

675
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: been a while, Fame linebacker Jason Taylor married the sister

676
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: of Hall of Fame defensive end Zach Thomas. Am I

677
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: do remember that correct and they had a baby. Mason

678
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Taylor is that right.

679
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: Well, Mason, he's he's Jason's son.

680
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: He's Jason's son, right and and uncle is Zach is

681
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: uncle Zach? So didn't okay, right, So didn't Jason marry

682
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: Zach's sister? Then? If I got this correct, I think I.

683
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: Did, was you know I or else it was Zach

684
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 3: with his sister, But that part I don't know.

685
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: That's I think. Yeah, all right, So regardless, he's the

686
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: son of Jason Taylor and the nephew of Zach Thomas,

687
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: which you know, both amazing players. Uh. Here's the one

688
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: of the stats I got from that I'm stealing directly

689
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: from your article at fantasylife dot com. One drop on

690
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: seventy nine targets last year for Mason Taylor.

691
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 4: Very good hands obviously, very very good hand, big hands

692
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: as well, and and he's got the frame as well,

693
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: you know, I mean like it came from the DNA.

694
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: Game from absolutely incredible. And it's funny. He he looks

695
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: strikingly like his father.

696
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: You know, we were down there in Mobile and Jason

697
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: Taylor was probably on the sidelines all week, and then

698
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: after practice, you know, we got to walk on the

699
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: field and you'd walk by the two and it's it

700
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: was started the spit and image thing. So so he

701
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 4: he was Mason was blessed with with a very similar

702
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 4: frame and similar athleticism. He's a ninety second percentile athlete

703
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: with the test that that he has already put in.

704
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 4: So so that stuff's all good. And and you know

705
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 4: we mentioned the hands as well. It's a it's an

706
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: interesting profile on the field, and it's there's some stuff

707
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: that it was hard for me to kind of put

708
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: my finger on the in line. He's he's an acceptable

709
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: and up blocker there that that he can play in

710
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: line in the NFL. And the thing he's the best

711
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: at Mason and and maybe this comes just from being

712
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: around the game as long as he was, you know,

713
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 4: it's like, uh, you know, it's like when you're a kid,

714
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 4: you're out there, you're the ball boy and then you're

715
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: running rouse for it, you know whatever. But like he

716
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: was really good when LSU, they would go down the

717
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: field and then you start getting the defense and moving

718
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: back a little bit and then they do like a

719
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: play action concept and boot out and Garrett Neusmyer their quarterback.

720
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: The timing that he had with Mason Taylor on those

721
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: things like Mason would do, like the hard ship. You're

722
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: pretending your run bocking, but then you get out and

723
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: it's like five years upfield. You cut the clean corner

724
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 4: out and then you turn around. And the ball was

725
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: always on his hands like they just had a really

726
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 4: good sort of chemistry, and he never dropped the ball.

727
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 4: So that's why why my you know, kept throwing it

728
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: to him. But the interesting thing about the profile as

729
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: a receiver was LSU rarely sent.

730
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: Him down the field. And that's what you can see

731
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: it both. You can see it two ways.

732
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 4: Is it they didn't trust him to do that or

733
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 4: is it that their receivers were really good going down

734
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: the field. I mean, we know the receivers that he

735
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: played with, so we know that. The second, it's certainly true.

736
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 4: And is that the reason they didn't send it down

737
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 4: the field because they already had guys that could do that.

738
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 4: So it's one interesting thing to keep in mind. The

739
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 4: other one is for a whose usage was what it was.

740
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: You know, his A dot was on the lower end

741
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: for this class. I mentioned the way that they predominantly

742
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 4: use him off of that hiss uh the A dot you.

743
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: Know, I can't pull it up real quick here.

744
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: But but anyway, for a guy with that usage, the

745
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: yards after the catch was not what you would think

746
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: it would be. I was a little bit disappointed by that.

747
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: It was a little bit stationed to station with that.

748
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: But I was looking at the Senior Bowl. You're the

749
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: running after the catch. That's not something that you're going

750
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 4: to see much there because the way the practices are.

751
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: But you got to see a lot of the downfield

752
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 4: stuff because the one on ones.

753
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: He looked good down the field and we didn't get.

754
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: To see it as much on his LSU tape, So

755
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 4: that was something again actively monitoring. And he made some

756
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 4: nice contests to catches down the field at the Senior Bowl.

757
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: So it's not something in his value, as you say,

758
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: can't do it.

759
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: They just didn't use him like that at LSU, and

760
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: we did get to see a little bit at the

761
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: Senier Bowl for whatever it's worth, but you get at

762
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: least the efficiency as a receiver and a guy in

763
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 4: a timing concept off defense that is going to be

764
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: super reliable. He's always going to be at the spot

765
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: the exact millisecond that that the concept calls for, and

766
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: he's not going to drop the ball for you, and

767
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: then you get the the inline frame, you get a

768
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: guy who can do a little bit of blocking for you.

769
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: I just think the ceiling probably isn't quite as high

770
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 4: as maybe you know, between the name and between where

771
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: he's coming from, the pedigree, the athletic profile. I don't

772
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: think it's quite as high as that stuff suggests. But

773
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 4: this guy is going to be a reliable starter for.

774
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: A long time.

775
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: What round do you have Mason Taylor going in?

776
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: To me, it would be laid second, early third for Mason.

777
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's uh, that's that's mostly where I

778
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: see him getting mocked, including potentially two to the Seahawks.

779
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: So does a team we didn't really talk about, they've

780
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: got NOA Fan. Do you think the teams are ready?

781
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: Do you think Seahawks might be ready? We're finally thrown

782
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: in the towel on Noah Fan. Is that possible?

783
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: They they should? Yeah, they should, definite.

784
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 4: I mean it hurts my heart to say, is a

785
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 4: guy who graduated from from Iowa be yeah, I'm I'm

786
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: I'm sorry out I know if I was, I was,

787
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: I was a little bit lower on No.

788
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: A Fan his draft class.

789
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: But for them, they have a J Barner as that

790
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: crushing sort of blockers, so you can take care of

791
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 4: in line. The Seahawks would be a team that they

792
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: would be on the short list for one of these

793
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 4: other slot only guys and maybe the next guy we're

794
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 4: going to talk about. There's not every team could take him.

795
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: If Seahawks could absolutely consider it. If you're looking to

796
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: a Jack fan.

797
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: All right, So here's the answer on on Mason Taylor

798
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: and his father. So I've got I've got it all.

799
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: I got it all figured out. Now. It's taken me

800
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: a little bit to get here, but we're here. Jason

801
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: Taylor did in fact, Mary Zach Zach Thomas's sister, and

802
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: her name was Katina. You didn't need to know that,

803
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: but you do. They had three kids together. Unfortunately they

804
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: ended up divorced in twenty fifteen. Taylor has since remarried,

805
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: by the way, and they've got they've had they got

806
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: a baby boy in August of twenty twenty one. And

807
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: I will.

808
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: Almost assuredly evaluate him.

809
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then Taylor's sister is the former news

810
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: anchor on The Herd with Colin Coward on Fox Sports One.

811
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Who knew?

812
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: Oh wait, Joy Taylor.

813
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joy Taylor. I had no idea Joy Taylor in

814
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: the family, all the family. Yes. The next one up

815
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: for you is Isaiah Taylor is playing college football at

816
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: Arizona according to Wikipedia here, So you may end up

817
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: breaking him down at some point.

818
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: Well, we got all the tailors in the pipeline.

819
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, let's go to your fifth rank to a

820
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: tight end and this will be our last one for

821
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: this show. Harold Fannon played for Bowling Green and that

822
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: ends up changing the entire conversation that we're going to

823
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: have about him. Insane productivity. As I mentioned going into

824
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: the break, he set the single season FBS record at

825
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: the tight end position in receptions and receiving yards one

826
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen receptions last year, fifteen hundred receiving yards,

827
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: and he set three different pff ERA records yards after contact,

828
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: miss tackles, force, and receiving grade overall. And so help

829
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: me understand why Harold Fannin is not tight end one

830
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: in this class.

831
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: Because he's not gonna he's not gonna block for you

832
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: in line, or you probably should never play him in line.

833
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to yank the slot receiver out there.

834
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: It's a you know, a twelve personnel offense type thing.

835
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: You have your inline guy, yeah, and then Fannin is

836
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna take over the slot thing, but you're

837
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: gonna play them all over the place.

838
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 3: You're gonna shift them all over the place.

839
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: He's the guy that's gonna give you the tell before

840
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 4: the snap of if the defense is a manner and zone,

841
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: you know, depending on if they're trailing them and that

842
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. And then you shift them around too

843
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 4: to get to get him into advantageous matchups. Right, I mean,

844
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: that's that's what you're looking to do with Harold Fannin.

845
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: It's he's a shadeover six threes two forty one, and

846
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: of course he's undersize, but just about the exact same

847
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 4: dimensions as Evan Evan Ingram, so you know, just for

848
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 4: for some context there.

849
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: But very skilled receiver Harrold fann and he can win

850
00:38:59,239 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: down the field.

851
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 4: He's got to tracking the ball over his shoulders, extremely

852
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: reliable hands.

853
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't he doesn't drop the ball whatsoever.

854
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 4: Over his career, only dropped two point two percent of

855
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 4: his catchuble targets.

856
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: So you have that going for you.

857
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: And then as far as the content, you know, of

858
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: course it's bowling Green, you know, so he gets dinged

859
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 4: for that, and he gets dinged for being a little

860
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 4: bit smaller. But the thing I'll tell you, especially last

861
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: year Church, you know, they're in another human being on

862
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: his plant watch more Max than I and Hail mash

863
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 4: and and watching Bawling Green was super fun because it's

864
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 4: just get the ball to Harrold, get the ball to well.

865
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: The defense knew that their entire game plan was get

866
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: the ball to Harrold. So when they were playing the

867
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: mac opponents, of course it's not you know a lot

868
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: of times non NFL.

869
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 3: Defenders, but he was double team every play.

870
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, So like against those opponents, and then

871
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 4: the times when they got to step up in competition,

872
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 4: Harrold Fann and lit up Texas A and m Harrol

873
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: Fann and lit up Penn State.

874
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: Those defenses were about as good as we.

875
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 4: Had in college football, and Harrold fan lit them, bolted up,

876
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 4: and they knew what was coming to This kid has

877
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 4: beaten NFL defenders when he has gotten to play them consistently.

878
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 4: So I mean those numbers, you know, they they speak

879
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 4: for themselves. It's a guy who's really good against zone.

880
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: The overall yards per run was nearly three. He also

881
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: does the contested catch things. He's good at using his body.

882
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 4: The thing of you know, with the frame and the

883
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 4: boxing out extends to the ball again, doesn't drop it.

884
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: You can do a lot of things with him as

885
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: a receiver, but you have to have the creative staff

886
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 4: and you have to know his limitations. You don't want

887
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 4: to put him in this in line and have him

888
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: go against a ward daddy power end. I will say, though,

889
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean he can't block. His kid's actually a

890
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 4: good blocker. Okay, it's just he can't do it in

891
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: line against the power because it's he's gonna get Trump carded.

892
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 4: But it's a guy who gives you fabulous effort and

893
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: so like as the space guy, when he's out in

894
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: the slot, you do not have.

895
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 3: To worry about that. He will take care of the nickel.

896
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: And then when they shift him into the backfield because

897
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: they love doing that too, then he becomes the lead blocker.

898
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: He's good at that too.

899
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: It's just you can't put him in in line at

900
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 4: the NFL level just because of the power discrepancy.

901
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is.

902
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: A player that I really really like, and I think,

903
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: you know, he finds the right situation, he's gonna catch.

904
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: A lot of balls.

905
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: Harold Fannin When I when I watch him, I I

906
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: feel like I'm watching a large wide receiver more than

907
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: a small tight end. Do you feel like that's fair?

908
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 4: I do, because he can he can do so much.

909
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 4: It's it's not just the peer. Oh, you have to

910
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 4: manufacture the touch for him.

911
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: Again.

912
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: He can win intermediate with the route running and the

913
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 4: ball skills, and he can win down the field too.

914
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: You can throw a lollipops up to him.

915
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: And they do interesting things with his routes too, you know,

916
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 4: like some times they would do like a delayed sort

917
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 4: of like a wheel route to get him down the

918
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: sideline where they knew it would be the one on

919
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 4: one covers. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, you're dialing it up

920
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 4: at that point. You were tossing it up to Harold

921
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 4: fan and one on one and again those ball scales play.

922
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 4: It's it's impressive for me with the tight ends in

923
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: college when you see over the shoulder thing and the

924
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 4: guys that are natural at that, because that's it's a

925
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: rare trade for college tight ends he's got it.

926
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: So, like you know, some of the I get the trepidation.

927
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 4: About the profile, and I acknowledge the limitations of it.

928
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: But for a creative offensive staff and you run the

929
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 4: twelve personnel offense, you're gonna be able to do a

930
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: whole lot of things with that kid.

931
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm just trying to find the

932
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: downside here in Harold Fannin And so I just get

933
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: the feeling if he drops into the right spot latter

934
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: part of round two, where there's some really good teams

935
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: at the obviously the bottom of the at the at

936
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: the bottom of the round, and I just get the feeling,

937
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: this kid's gonna be productive with somebody if he gets

938
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: into the right thing.

939
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Seahawks would make a lot of sense,

940
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: you know, like we're just talking about an offensive type

941
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 4: that he would be awesome. And I don't know that

942
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: they can take him because they lack picks.

943
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: But our local Minnesota Vikings.

944
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 4: Now, if you have Hawkinson and then they signed Rondell

945
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: Moore as well, so you have some sort of supervolous

946
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 4: things there. But that's the sort of offense, sort of

947
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 4: the creative mind that you want to go in and

948
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 4: it guy with the twelve personnel leanings there. You know,

949
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: they have Josh Oliver and then they have him sometimes,

950
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: but they use the big slot in that offense what TJ.

951
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 4: Hawkinson is, but hero Fantom would be. That's the sort

952
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 4: of offense that he should be playing in.

953
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: You know, if if things don't drop for Jim Harbaugh

954
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: right in the right way for him to get love

955
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: him right. So now eight pick eighty six Chargers that

956
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: could be Harold fannin.

957
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Yeah, and they signed our boy Gronklin,

958
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 4: but like short term and and and yeah, I mean

959
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: like fan and again yeah for for a guy in

960
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 4: Harbad that likes to create the mismatches out of this slot.

961
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: With a guy like that fan and can get it.

962
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: N It's not the same thing as with with Lovelan

963
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 4: with the catch the enormous catch raids. Yet Fanny you

964
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 4: can do the different stuff with him.

965
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: Thor awesome as always. Thanks so much for your time

966
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: and getting us a lot smarter and tight ends. And

967
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: next week let's stop quarterbacks.

968
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: Let's do it all.

969
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: Right, can't wait. Thanks my man, Thank you for listening, everybody.

970
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week For more Fantasy Football Weekly.

971
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,319
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