1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory File Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic and Patrick, the 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: Cubs are inching closer and closer to clinching the playoffs. 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: They we just had this discussion before we started recording, 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: what's the what's the magic number? As we record here 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: on Tuesday morning after the win, it was three. I'm 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: pretty sure it's two now, but you know, they're they're 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: likely in all likelihood going to clinch a playoff spot 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: this week. It's that close. Whether they get the top 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: wild card spot or not. That's a little more winning 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: that they need to do to get there. But looks 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: like their playoff bound and I think even Jamison Tyn 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: said I don't want to jinx anything but and and 15 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: talked about setting themselves up nicely for the playoffs, and 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where they're at. The pitching 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: looks good. Figuring out who's going to be in that 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: rotation and in that bullpen, I think is kind of 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: what's on Craig Council's mind as he gets his team 20 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: prepared for the postseason, which will be the first one 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: in front of fans since twenty eighteen. That's kind of 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: crazy to think, but yeah, and the last time they 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: won a game in the postseason was twenty seventeen. It's 24 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: been a while. 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is a bit of a digression, but 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: it is a little odd how it becomes. We've just 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: been in this place for such a long time now 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: where the playoff odds are like ninety eight ninety nine, 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: ninety nine point nine percent, but the division has been 30 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: out of reach and it's not a one game wildcard 31 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: that you're dropped back into. Its should be for them 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: a pretty nice three game series at home. And so 33 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: it's just been this. The anticipation I think has not 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: quite been there. It'd be interesting to see how they 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: celebrate because this group, as Tayon also said, is very. 36 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: Focused on their process. 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: It's all about today, and I'm sure they'll let it 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 2: rip and let it loose a little bit in the clubhouse. 39 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, they're in the spot where they're gonna have 40 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: the luxury to sort of line things up, make sure 41 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: pictures are healthy, whether it's giving them an extra day 42 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: more rest, limiting their innings, pitch counts, whatever it is. 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: This is not a team that's going to be running 44 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: on fumes by the time the wild card round opens. 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can talk about whether you know Matthew Boyd 46 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: or showed a Monaga aren't at their peak right now. 47 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: But you know, James and Tyne looks really good. Kate 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: Horton goes against Paul Skins, and when when you enter 49 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: a game like that and you feel like, yeah, this 50 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: is a good matchup, that's that's saying something about the 51 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: starting picture you have on the mound, because Paul Skins 52 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: is arguably the best picture with Durik Derek Scooble in baseball. 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not sure who what Boyd We're 54 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: going to get, what Showo we're going to get. I 55 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: think they especially showed to well, both of them. They 56 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: have this tendency lately to start off a little shaky, 57 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: but they find it quickly, which I think is incredibly impressive. 58 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: Give you give your team a chance, that's all you 59 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: can really ask. I thought I liked what I saw 60 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: from Soroka. I think that can be an X factor 61 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: in a wild card in the playoffs. His performance, he's 62 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: touching ninety seven. I did not expect that, and and 63 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: he you know, these multi inning weapons are So that's 64 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: the other thing. We haven't covered playoffs in an era 65 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: where the game has really changed. In October, I remember 66 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: was at the GM meetings in two thousand and seventeen, 67 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: whatever it was, it was around that time, and Jed 68 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: basically saying, we still believe in you know, you want 69 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: the seven inning starter and all that stuff. The game 70 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: has completely changed. Jed's philosophy has changed. Even he is 71 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: accepted like the game is very different. So how we 72 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: kind of how you and I have to look at 73 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: this compared to what we were doing last time they 74 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: were in the playoffs, it's just doesn't that doesn't work 75 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: anymore so how and Craig Council is known for this. 76 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: If there are managers that are known for how they 77 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: handle their pitching staff, it's probably Terry Francona's is up there. 78 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't watch every other team regularly. 79 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: I believe Kevin Cash is supposed to be really good 80 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: at that. And and Craig councils up there in his ability 81 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: to you know, really leverage a deep pitching stappen. Right now, 82 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: it looks really talented and deep. Maybe not the elite 83 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: swing and miss talent that you want to cross the board, 84 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: but when you count Keller, Kittridge, Soroka, the lefties, Pomerants 85 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: and and theelbar, it's a it's a good group behind 86 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: your starters. 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Jed sort of laughs when he looks 88 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: back on that time period with the Cubs last World 89 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: Series era of like, all right, Arietta, Hendricks, Lester, they'll 90 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: go seven plus. Then you just sort of let maybe 91 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: Strope or Rondon get a couple hitters, and then they 92 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: had Chapman in the ninth or ninth inning. Plus obviously 93 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: it's say got to October. It was sort of like, 94 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: you know, the circle of trust was extremely small back then. 95 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: But you just can't do that anymore. The game has changed, 96 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: and Soroka acknowledged that. He said the last five years, 97 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: for sure, maybe even longer, you've seen these changes in 98 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: baseball to where someone like Soroka could be an X factor. 99 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: Jamison Tyn, like you said, has looked pretty sharp and 100 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: he's not a reliever by any stretch of the imagination, 101 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: but he's an exemplary teammate. And I'm sure he'll be 102 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: ready whenever the bullpen phone rings, Like if he's the 103 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: best guy for that situation, that's who the Cubs are 104 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: going to go to. And that was the point Council 105 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: made on Monday in Pittsburgh that he is someone who's 106 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 2: very proactive in terms of managing Picture's workloads. He's very 107 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: conscious of picture health, but he does not care at 108 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: all about your feelings. And part of that just the 109 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: way the game is now, Like he was not taking 110 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: credit for that, like that's just kind of how the 111 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: modern game operates now. But the Cubs in spring training 112 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: have been communicative, they've been proactive, they've been prepared, not 113 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: that they were setting everything up for October, but I 114 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: think it sort of lends itself to this all hands 115 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: on deck mentality. And one quick note since we mentioned him, 116 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: you know in prior episodes, Daniel Palencia had a light 117 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: throwing session on Monday, scheduled for a full bullpen on Wednesday. 118 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: If that goes well, he could be on a rehab 119 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: assignment with Iowa this weekend, I believe, pitching Saturday. So 120 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: all that is very very much in motion now and 121 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: we don't expect him to come back and automatically be 122 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 2: the ninth inning guy. 123 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: But his vlow is. 124 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: Looking very good and foretold, so that it seems like 125 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: they've avoided what looked like a worst case scenario when 126 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: he walked off the mound with the trainer at Wrigley 127 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: earlier this month. I think he's added to that mix, 128 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: just not as the anointed closer. 129 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think him being added back. Porter Hodges looked 130 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: a little shaky after seeming to turn a corner, but 131 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: if those are your I don't know, third or fourth, 132 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: fourth and fifth, Righty's out of the bullpen or best 133 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: writings I should say out of the bullpen for the playoffs. 134 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: I think you'll take that. I think that's pretty huge. 135 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: If you get Soroka looking good over the final whatever 136 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: we have left twelve games to go, I think you 137 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: can feel good about your righties and your lefties. I'm 138 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: liking the way this bullpen has set up. Jeduyer may 139 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: not have gotten a nasty closer at the deadline. I 140 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: think Kittridge has turned out to be a great addition, 141 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: and Raeli has helped set things up and stabilize things 142 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: even though they lost their de facto closer. I get 143 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: I guess all right, Let's take a quick break and 144 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: then come back and talk about a potential breakout last night. 145 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: We'll see your season, your shot. 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I 170 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a sign that he has turned 171 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: the corner. I you know too, I believe it was 172 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: two hits at the end of the by the end 173 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: of the night that a great double and a deep 174 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: home run that didn't go into the water. Right did 175 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: that get out of the ballpark? I don't know, No, Okay, 176 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: but you know, he's he looked much better, and it 177 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: kind of I kind of felt like he was. He 178 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: was heading in that direction right before he folwed that 179 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: ball off his knee. Uh So, I don't know if 180 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: it just took him a little while to get back 181 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: and now he's it's clicking, if it's a one game thing, 182 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: whatever it was, it was nice to see for Cubs 183 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: fans and I'm sure the Cubs as well. What was 184 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: kind of the reaction from Pete? How is he feeling, 185 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: What's what's the what's the consensus out there in Pittsburgh. 186 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 2: Pete was in one of those moods where he was 187 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: ready to sort of do the uh, the one man show, 188 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 2: the monologue at his locker, but he was very I 189 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: felt like an Anaheim that he was a little more 190 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: all over the place, kind of you know, processing everything. 191 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: He was very sharp last night, and I had kind 192 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 2: of two ideas I want to present to him, just 193 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: because I sometimes he does so much early work and 194 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: is you know, so focused on that it's sometimes hard 195 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: to get him at his locker. So, you know, I 196 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: just asked him this idea of, you know, looking forward 197 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 2: to the playoffs and just everything is about compete mode, 198 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: that he can just go out there and be athletic 199 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: and try to beat the pitcher on that pitch rather 200 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: than carrying these frustrations that have clearly built up, you know, 201 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: wanting so bad to do something to help the team 202 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: and kind of turn things around. I mean, he is 203 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: a phrase, you know when you're killing rallies, like that's 204 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: how he feels like he's been. 205 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 3: On this stretch here for a. 206 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: While now, and so he's like, yeah, sure, I mean 207 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: one swink can change things. But he also in the 208 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: same breath that I'm very impatient at times with this 209 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And you just listening to him, you 210 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: can tell how much he cares, how much he's looking 211 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: forward to a reset in October. And that was his point, 212 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: it's all a wash, like the regular season games that 213 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: he was frustrated about, the regular season games that he 214 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: was happy about, like they don't matter anymore. That everything 215 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 2: resets at zero, and I think that will be good 216 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 2: for him, maybe more than any sort of like mechanical 217 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: tweak or like video session, which is not something he's 218 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: into anyways. 219 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: He goes by feel. 220 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: And the other point was I asked him, you're talking 221 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: about deep frustrations and long slumps, and you look up 222 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: in the middle of September and you've got twenty nine 223 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: home runs, which is kind of wild. And he acknowledged 224 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: that perspective has been harder to come by recently, that 225 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: how he performed in the first half, his own expectations 226 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:34,479 Speaker 2: grew and Jankabreja, one of the Cubs hitting coaches told him, look, 227 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: you've reached your stat line for this season, like you've 228 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: fulfilled your obligations. You've exceeded the club's expectations, so don't 229 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: worry about that. And Pete said that is comforting. He 230 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: is very appreciative of all the support he's gotten from, 231 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: whether it's hitting coaches or teammates such as Justin Turner 232 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: who've been with him on this air quotes offensive journey. 233 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of how players talk now too. 234 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm fascinated to see just kind of what 235 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: he does in October because Wanker Bray as someone who's 236 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: very close to Hovey bias and we all saw what 237 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: Hobvey did when the lights came on, and not saying 238 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: Pete will do that. But it's hard to imagine him 239 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,479 Speaker 2: being a wallflower or a non factor during the playoffs. 240 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you said something about him being frustrated during this 241 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: time or a little disappointed, whatever it may be. I 242 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: think fans expectations changed for him as well, and they've 243 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: been frustrated with his performance and results of late. And 244 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: it's exactly what he said, it all changes in October. 245 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: If he performs in October. Who cares what he did 246 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: in August September. It just doesn't matter because they're that 247 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: close to getting in officially getting in, and if he's 248 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: their best player, uh, they have a chance to do 249 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: some damage. And I completely agree with you the hobby 250 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: bias comparison. Well, we'll start talking about that again if 251 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: he performs uh in October, because it is it's it's 252 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: set up for him to be, you know, in the 253 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: spotlight and thrive. And I think he's shown us we 254 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: haven't had enough moments, but he he does seem like 255 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: someone that could kind of, you know, blossom in those 256 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: moments and and really stand out. And it's not like 257 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: he already hasn't had the spotlight on him and become 258 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: a you know, a face of MLB. But this could 259 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: really be big for him and and obviously for the team. 260 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: They need him, they need him to be playing at 261 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: a high level. I think it's a I think it's 262 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: it should be really fun. I think you said it perfectly. 263 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm fast sated to see what he does because he's, 264 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, probably when he comes to the offense, the 265 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: most interesting storyline for October for this team. You know, 266 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: we'll get to Kyle Tucker, but that Pete's the most 267 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: one of the most exciting offensive players in the game 268 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: when he's going right. So if he can perform up 269 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: to his capabilities, it just means so much for this team. 270 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: And even if he's not hitting, he's just so valuable 271 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: defensively as well. 272 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he has a chance to be the 273 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: best player on the field in every playoff game he's in, 274 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: and maybe with the Dodgers that might be a little 275 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: higher bar to clear. 276 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: But we've talked about the need for a star player. 277 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: For a long time and it's that elite talent that 278 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 2: can change playoff series, that can do it against the 279 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: best of the best on the biggest stages, and Pete 280 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: I think fits that bill And we'll see. 281 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 3: That's a matter of going out and doing it. 282 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: And that is another thing he had sort of said 283 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: of just like you have to play the game in 284 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: front of you, that you can't be worried about the 285 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: trend lines or you're too wrapped up and trying to 286 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: mimic something you saw on video. Sometimes it's like he said, 287 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: a jam shot, a bunt, like something just clicks, And. 288 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it. 289 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: Happened in Pittsburgh because, like you said, it was the 290 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: same thing an Anaheim of like, oh, maybe he's coming 291 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: out of it. And then eventually he got one of 292 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: those resets that the council was handing out. But you know, 293 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: it is just he is the character on this team, 294 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: Like he is the the leading man, the most interesting 295 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: person in the clubhouse. Like there's just kind of no 296 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: way around that. Because he can do unbelievable things on 297 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: the field, and because he's so young, he's so inexperienced, 298 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: he's such a magnet for the fans that one way 299 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: or another, he's going to be a big factor in 300 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: how this season is remembered. 301 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: Yep. 302 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely. And let's get to the second biggest. 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He's not coming 332 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: off the IL on Tuesday. I don't know if they 333 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: fish rule that out, but I think that would be 334 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: a shock to everyone involved. Based on what I heard 335 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: over the weekend and what you heard out there in Pittsburgh. 336 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the update or headline here is that 337 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker is not making progress, that this calf injury 338 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: has lingered. He's kind of stuck at this point in 339 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: the rehab process. 340 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: Craig Counsel and Kyle Tucker. 341 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 2: Are not the most effusive personalities, so it's not like 342 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: they're going to be sweating it or showing too many 343 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: signs of concern or frustration. But this is not what 344 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: you want in the middle of September. There is still time. 345 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: I asked Tucker if there's like a certain amount of 346 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: bats that he needed to feel ready for October, and 347 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: he said not really. He's obviously I'd like to be 348 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: out there right now. But you know, Counsel dropped one 349 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 2: of his you know, we're not making progress, frankly, and 350 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: that tells you what you. 351 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 3: Need to know. 352 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: And it's really interesting to see what happens here with Tucker. 353 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 2: The clubs nominated him for the Roberto Clemente Award, one 354 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: of baseball's highest honors, and it did signify something that 355 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: teammates have noticed behind the scenes. That Tucker really has 356 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: been invested in this team and this season and wanting 357 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: to extract the most from it. But he's just not 358 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: available to play right now. And you know, his availability, 359 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: his health, his performance is potentially worth hundreds of millions 360 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: of dollars, So like getting him right and locked in 361 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 2: is important. But at the same time, same thing with Pete, 362 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: like it's all a washed, it all starts back at zero. 363 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: And this is someone who's played and I think it 364 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 2: was sixty four playoff games with the Astro, so like 365 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: he knows what he needs to get ready. But again, 366 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: like with Pete, this is someone who looked like an 367 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: MVP candidate out of the gate and has largely delivered 368 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: what the Cubs needed, but his struggles. Pete's slumps have 369 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: added to this feeling around the team of just sort 370 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: of like waiting until the playoffs start. 371 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 372 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: No, absolutely. I guess if they had stayed hot, or 373 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: if one of the two had allowed them to, we 374 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, that'd probably still be in the division race. Yeah, 375 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: so it would feel a little bit more exciting right now. 376 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm trying to gauge like the level 377 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: of concern you know fans are I'm sure fans are concerned, 378 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: and they have every right to panic whenever they decide 379 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: is the right time to panic. That it's fine. But 380 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: I this is a hard one to read for me 381 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: in the sense that this doesn't seem like a major injury. 382 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: It never seemed like it was significant pain or like 383 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: just like I can't do anything. He's able to do 384 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: all the things except for run. And even that he 385 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: can run, they're just trying to get it so he 386 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: doesn't feel anything. Yeah, so where are we here? Is 387 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: if it gets to October, is he going to just 388 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: play with a little bit of pain or a little 389 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: bit of feeling in there? I would guess yes, yeah, 390 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: but I yeah, and he he could probably perform perfectly 391 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: fine and and just you know, may not be you 392 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: know that it'll be an obvious, like game planning thing 393 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: for the opposing team. This guy can't run at full speed, 394 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: you know, so if he hits one in the gap, 395 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: it's I mean, if he hits one, he's no, he's 396 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: not like legging out in extra base very often. You know, 397 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: it has to be an obvious double or if it's 398 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: over the fence, that's the that's the ideal thing for 399 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: for Kyle Tucker, and I think that's where I'm at 400 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: with it. It's he could play in October probably right 401 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: now if they were if tomorrow was a playoff game 402 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: or tonight was a playoff game. And that's probably how 403 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: fans should just try and compartmentalize this. I don't it 404 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like something bad. My My concern is when 405 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: you have that feeling there, it can always get worse. 406 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: And that's probably what their concern is of, Like, let's 407 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: just get this to zero, and if it isn't zero 408 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: by whatever I think September already is the first game 409 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: of the playoffs, then then we're just gonna have to 410 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: go with what we have and play baseball. And if 411 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: he's confident that he doesn't need at bats, I guess 412 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: that's fine. It's not like he's he cannot swing right now. 413 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: He's out there hitting. I mean maybe not. He never 414 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: goes out, uh you know what I mean, he's in 415 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: the cage, is hitting. Maybe that's all they need. And 416 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't or I shouldn't overthink this any further 417 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: than that, but I think it's worth it's absolutely something 418 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: that we have to pay attention to and it has 419 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: to be a slight concern just because he he's so important. 420 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: It just like we said about Peek Armstrong, it's these 421 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: two guys. If you have these two guys playing well 422 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: in October, you're you know, you're one of the most 423 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: dangerous teams in the playoffs. And if they're not clicking, 424 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: then you need a ton of luck and and other 425 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: guys to step up. And that's it just makes things 426 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: a lot harder when you're a superstar aren't performing. You know, 427 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: you need you need unsung heroes in the postseason anyways, 428 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: but you need your stars to perform as well. So 429 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what else to add to that. 430 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: The only thing I would say is that teams never 431 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: fully acknowledge publicly the extent of injuries until like they 432 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: absolutely have to, like Justin Steel's injury was not good, 433 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: and then they gather more information, more opinions, and then 434 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: you know, it takes another day or two before it's 435 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: just finally like, okay, this is you know, a season 436 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: ending thing. And that doesn't mean that teams are being 437 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: fundamentally dishonest. It's just that there are a lot of 438 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: gray areas here and that how they can frame it 439 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: how they want, and then we can interpret it to 440 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 2: the best of our knowledge and experience. And until this 441 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 2: like gets better, it has to be on your radar 442 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: if you're a Cubs fan or someone in the Chicago media, 443 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: because he's so important, because he probably won't be here 444 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: for a long time. I mean, we'll see what happens, 445 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 2: but this was kind of a one year arrangement, and 446 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: then revisit it this offseason. He is still one of 447 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 2: the best hitters in the game when he's right, one 448 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: of their most accomplished players by far. So yeah, maybe 449 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: he does get into that whatever Cardinals series at the 450 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: end of September and everything's fine, and you know, we'll 451 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: wonder why we spent so much time talking about this 452 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: CAF injury, or maybe maybe it does keep linger, maybe 453 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: it continues to not get better and we have to 454 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: keep writing these updates that are rather tedious. 455 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: All it takes is one one council pregame session where 456 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: he says today was a good day for Kyle Tucker, 457 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: and then that eases a ton of concerns until that happens, 458 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: I think people are gonna be nervous about Kyle Tucker's status. 459 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: It can quickly change. This is not you know, like 460 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: a very obvious injury where it's like this takes X 461 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: amount of time to heal. It could be a week, 462 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: it could be a day. We just don't know when 463 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: he's gonna get like, you know, not start, when he's 464 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: gonna stop feeling whatever he's feeling in his cap. All right, Patrick, 465 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: We'll be back later this week with another episode that 466 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: Cobs Got two more, a big one, a fun one 467 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: tonight Kate Horton versus Paul Skins. By the time people 468 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: are listening to this, maybe that game has already been played, 469 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: but should be a fun, exciting game. Always fun when 470 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: young aces go at it. Thanks so much for listening everyone. 471 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: This is Northside Territory. Make sure to rate, review, subscribe, 472 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: subscribe to the YouTube channel, and subscribe to The Athletic 473 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: where Patrick and I are on top of all things comes. 474 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to everyone. Take