1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: The tourist. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 2: I'm a homegrowl that knows a little bit about everything 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 2: and everybody. 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 3: You don't know if you don't lie about that. 5 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: Right, Hey, y'all, what's up. It's Lauren Rosa and this 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: is the latest with Lauren de Rosa. This is your 7 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: DELI dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news, and 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: all of the conversations that. 9 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 3: Shake the room. 10 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Baby. 11 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: Now, I have been on an HBCU tour. You guys know, 12 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: I've been all over but we ended the tour literally 13 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: this week in real time. I'm recording this. We ended 14 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: it yesterday as Delaware State University defeated Norfolk State University 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: at Lincoln Financial Field, which is the stadium where the 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 2: Eagles play. DeShawn Jackson for Delaware State University versus Mike 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: Vick for Norfolk State University was a huge game. Over 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: forty seven thousand people. Over forty seven thousand people purchase tickets, y'all. 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: I was told by the end of the night by 20 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: the president of Delaware State University, doctor Tony Allen, that 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: they were looking at making a profit which they would 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: then use to put back into the school and look 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: out for Norfolk a bit because it's a home game 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: for Dell State. They were looking at a profit of 25 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: over a million dollars. Let me tell y'all something, Okay. 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: When I was at Delaware State University, I was literally 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: told going to this school is going to make it 28 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: so hard for people to ever know who you are, 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: what you want to do, and for you to work 30 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: in the industry you want to work in. It takes 31 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: one small person, one small dream, and a whole lot 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: of faith and a whole lot of God to be 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 2: able to break barriers where people are like, wow, what 34 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: hold on? What is that transformation? What's happening? And that 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: has been the story of Delaware State University. You know 36 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: now Norfolk State University, Jackson State and what Deon Sanders 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: did there because somebody had a vision, a dream, but 38 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: also somebody was really tapped into their spirituality and their faith. 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: And God said to the listen, I need y'all to 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: go over here, climb this mountain, and then you'll be 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: able to make away for other people. So as I'm 42 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: recovering from all of the events that we hosted at 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: Norfolk State University and you know, ending our HBCU Alumni 44 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: tour that we do for Bronco grinding and myself, Laura 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: le Rosa, as you know, I recover from all of that. 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to share a conversation that is very much 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: in the vein of that, the faith of a mustard seed. 48 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: And but God, so let's get on into a convo 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: I sat down in conversation with Cintoya Brown Long, and 50 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: a lot of you guys may have heard her story. 51 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: Cintoya Brown Long is an American author, a speaker, and 52 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: a criminal justice reform advocate. She was a victim of 53 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: sex trafficking as a minor, and she served fifteen years 54 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: in prison for murder after she shot and killed a 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: man who solicited her four sex and originally her sentence 56 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: was fifty one years behind bars. But God, we also 57 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: were joining in this conversation by my readors. Who's a pastor, 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: a faith leader in a woman who has lived lives? Okay, 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: I mean she has done makeup for some of the 60 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: biggest celebrities and models in the entertainment business. But all 61 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: of that comes with some things for some people. And 62 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: by some things I mean addiction. I mean, you know, 63 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: losing it all and having to gain it all back 64 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 2: through faith and realizing God. Now as a former lead 65 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: pastor of Christ Tabernacle, a huge congregation which was also 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: the first church to be born out of the Brooklyn Tabernacle, 67 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: Maria takes, you know, all these lived experiences as that 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: top celebrity makeup artist. 69 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: At one point, a woman who. 70 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: Went through years of really intense drug use, I mean 71 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: like almost didn't make it to see today, a type 72 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: of drug use. But you know, she has come about 73 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: of that and now she is using her faith to 74 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: transform and to have conversations, transformative conversations with others. And lastly, 75 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: but totally not least in this conversation, you guys will 76 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 2: hear from Randall Long Randa is the creative mind behind 77 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: the cool world mascot Cooley with numerous children's clinic. 78 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: Now, Cooley is more than just a character. 79 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: Randall likes to say that Koy is a figure that 80 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: represents unity, diversity, and acceptance, all these things which are 81 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: you know, really close to his heart. But all this 82 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: creativity is utilized the best of what Randal does as 83 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: he is ministering and honestly developing children. And when I 84 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: say developing, I mean like really pouring into them. And 85 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: you know, tapping into their creative and you know, just 86 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: using his story to inspire others. That's the common thread here. 87 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: It's inspiration faith of a muster seed. Let's get on 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: into the conversation. I think you guys are enjoying this one. 89 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 4: When you look back over your story, what seems out 90 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 4: as your turning point, you know, at the moment when 91 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: Payne begins to give purpose. 92 00:04:58,520 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: Go ahead, lady first. 93 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 3: I think a. 94 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 5: Turning point for me when I saw that there was 95 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 5: purpose in my pain was when my now husband had 96 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 5: challenged me. 97 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: I was speaking about my situation for. 98 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 5: Those of those of y'all or I didn't hear that introduction, 99 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 5: but I spent fifteen years incarcerated. 100 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: I was sentenced to life. 101 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 5: In prison, was supposed to be sixty seven years old. 102 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 5: Before I got out. All my bills had been denied. 103 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 5: I had none left. And I received the letter in 104 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 5: the mail from my now husband, and that started us 105 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 5: going back and forth, having conversations. And when I told 106 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 5: him how I was pretty much frustrated with God, but 107 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 5: I didn't believe he was real. 108 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: He challenged me and he said, he told you he 109 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: was finished. 110 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 5: And I had kind of written my own end I 111 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 5: thought that was it, like there was nothing but ashes, right, 112 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 5: But it helped me to see that, you know, God 113 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 5: is really doing something with this. Let me sit back 114 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 5: and let him finish. And so I think that was 115 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 5: a turning point for me. And then the way at 116 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 5: it and unfolded. I saw that if I hadn't gone 117 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 5: through all that I had gone through, I wouldn't be 118 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 5: able to do the things that I am now testifying 119 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 5: about how good he was said about how there is 120 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 5: awake out. 121 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, closure for you guys, you know talking about you 122 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: know what some of your guys have been like, Yo, 123 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: what you've been through? 124 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 3: Did you guys recognize God when he met you with 125 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: your moss? 126 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: Did you know it was him? 127 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 3: Or what would you feel in our experience and you 128 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: had not it happened. 129 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 5: So for me, I don't feel that I really recognized 130 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 5: it was him, and that was because it was I 131 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 5: was in such a funk from everything that I went through, 132 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 5: like so much anger had consumed me that I had 133 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 5: convinced myself that he wasn't real. 134 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: And so while I knew there was something that. 135 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 5: Would keep me holding on and pushing forward, I knew 136 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 5: there was something that would tell me, You're not going 137 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 5: to spend the rest of your life in prison. I 138 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 5: called it everything but him. I said, it was the universe. 139 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 5: But the universe was looking out for me, and you 140 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 5: know all these things that you hear, But it was 141 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 5: him all along. And it wasn't until I saw in 142 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 5: his hints I started acknowledging that it was him that 143 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 5: I learned to call a m of Jesus. And I said, 144 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 5: you know, it was him all along, And I started 145 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 5: saying the way he showed up. But yeah, I was 146 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 5: so angry that I didn't I wouldn't even acknowledge that 147 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 5: it was him. 148 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: Well I had. I had a definite encounter with God. 149 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 6: I was crazy out of my mind to drugs from 150 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 6: the age of ten to twenty five. 151 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: I've overdosed on harrowin three times. 152 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 6: I've been arrested, try to commit suicide. 153 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: Find the man of my dreams. 154 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 6: Go on this vacation to Mexico, worked and burked off. 155 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: Goodman. 156 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 6: If famous people's makeup, and I have everything the world 157 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 6: says I need in order to be happy. I had 158 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 6: design a luggage. I had more change through the snoop 159 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 6: Dog got out. 160 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: I did. I did. 161 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 6: If it was on the cover Cosmopolitan or Vogue. 162 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: I had it. But we get to my new boyfriend, we. 163 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 6: Get to this vacation spot in Mexico. He smuggled in, 164 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 6: I smumbled in, I'm sorry, three thousand dollars worth of cocaine. 165 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 6: I see how God has protected. 166 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 3: Me so many times. And on this ten. 167 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 6: Day vacation, as the days are going on, I'm emptier 168 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 6: and emptier and emptier. 169 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: I never heard her being born again. 170 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 6: Imagine that I knew where to I knew where to 171 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 6: get the latest haircut. I never waited online to get 172 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 6: into a club. 173 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 3: I knew every DJ, but I did not know we 174 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: could be born again, have a new life. 175 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 6: And as the days going on, I have everything the 176 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 6: world says I have in order to be happy. 177 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: I'm successful. 178 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 6: This guy loves me, he's good looking, but I'm empty. 179 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 6: And you know, we all have that emptiness inside of us, 180 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 6: and the only one that could feel it is God. 181 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: He's the only one. 182 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 6: And all of a sudden, as the fifth day to 183 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 6: this ten day vacation, I felt like some he was 184 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 6: screaming inside of me, help me, help me, And I 185 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 6: didn't know who to tell because I didn't know what 186 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 6: it was So my boyfriend went out for a walk 187 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 6: on the beach one night and I stayed in the 188 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 6: room and I decided to talk to God. But I 189 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 6: didn't talk to him the way we talked to him. 190 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 6: I shook my fist and I called him every name 191 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 6: in the book, and I said, what kind of God 192 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 6: are you? What kind of got are you? What is 193 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 6: this thing called life? I feel like a dog chasing 194 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 6: her tail. And in this room, this holy God that 195 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 6: should have struck me dead, with my filthy mouth, with 196 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 6: my immorality, with it all, he said my name, and 197 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 6: it was not audible, it was internal. 198 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: You have to know my name. 199 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 6: When I was born, my mother died. I have no 200 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 6: name on my birth certificate. 201 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: He knew my name. He knows your name. 202 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 6: And he said the name Maria, and he said, give 203 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 6: me your life before it's too late. 204 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: And I knew that. 205 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: I knew it was God. I did it. 206 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 6: You know his name was Jesus. I didn't know anything, 207 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 6: but I knew that I knew. My boyfriend came back 208 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 6: from this walk on the beach fifteen minutes and I said, Michael, 209 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 6: when we go back home, when you go to church 210 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 6: with me? He said church? He said, you need a 211 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 6: smoke a joiner. And then when I was leaving this 212 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 6: vacation spot, they offered me a job. 213 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 3: They said, we know you're. 214 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 6: Not married, and why don't you stay here and be 215 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 6: a host. And I turned to my boyfriend and I said, 216 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 6: that's the zebral. 217 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: He doesn't want me to go home and go to church. 218 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: Now. 219 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: My boyfriend's like, first you hear God, and now you know. 220 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: Who you're joy is. He said. 221 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: We had definitely cramping home up. When we get back 222 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 3: to this apartment. 223 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 6: We had just in the din together and I had 224 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 6: a telephone and I called a friend of mine and 225 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 6: I said, I got to talk to you. I did 226 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 6: not know any Christians. I didn't even know there was 227 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 6: such a thing as a Christian. And I said I 228 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 6: got to talk to you. And she said hurry up. 229 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 6: And I said, Barbara, I need God my life. And 230 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 6: Barbara said, praise the Lord. 231 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: I said, praise the who. She said, well you were gone. 232 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: Some hippie preached the gospel to her. I'm thirty of 233 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 3: our friends. 234 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: She said. 235 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 6: We held hands and we said Lord save Michael and 236 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 6: Maria in Mexico. And that was the night that voice 237 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 6: spoke to me. In that hotel, some to church and 238 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 6: we gave our lives to Christ. 239 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,239 Speaker 3: And that was fifty years ago in September. 240 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: So for all of you guys, how did you deal 241 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: with I mean, if there was Shane, right, how did 242 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: you deal with? 243 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 6: Now? 244 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to take everything I've been through in my 245 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: story to help other people into doing that. 246 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 3: You got to be very honest about. 247 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: What you've been through and how do you fell and 248 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: all these things, and not everybody receives it. 249 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: The best all the time. How do you guys deal 250 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: with that? 251 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: Even today when you're going around and sharing your. 252 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: Story and you know, ministering to people, dealing with people 253 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: that might not you know, receive it the best of me, 254 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: but also dealing with any. 255 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: Internal shame or guilts that you may experience. So for me. 256 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 5: Coming through the way that I came through, the way 257 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 5: that the Lord brought me through, it's just it's so 258 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 5: amazing what he did with me. I can't help but 259 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 5: tell someone. I can't help but tell other young girls 260 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 5: in my situation that there is a different way of life, 261 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 5: that there's a way of life out for you somebody 262 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 5: who's in that situation right now. I'm so excited to 263 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 5: let them know that life the Lord, he's got a 264 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 5: plan for you. He can bring you out of this. 265 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 5: Like you said, you just keep walking. And so shame 266 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 5: is never even a thought. And I know where shame 267 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 5: comes from, and it's not from my Lord. So it 268 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 5: has nothing to do with me, has no part of 269 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 5: my identity, has no room in my life. 270 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 3: So it's not even an issue. It's not even a thought. 271 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 6: You know. 272 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: And when you when you. 273 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 5: When you get brought through something, when you have that testimony, 274 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 5: it doesn't become hard. 275 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people like to. 276 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 5: Ask you whenever I share my story, isn't it hard 277 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 5: for you to relive no money? 278 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 3: I know how it ends. Yeah, so sad and so 279 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 3: there's only glory to him. 280 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 5: And so I tell anybody who listening, if you don't 281 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 5: want to listen, I'll tell you anyway. 282 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: Thank you for that. 283 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: So a question for you, So you're really passionate about 284 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: investing in the next generation, especially children of color, Why 285 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 4: is that mission so personal for you? 286 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: Why is it so personal for me? One I like 287 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: to empower all. 288 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 7: Two the reason why I love the empower kids of color, 289 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 7: people of color, is because I. 290 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: Know I grew up in the nineties and eighties. 291 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 7: Baby, I mean that look like it, but I know 292 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 7: that by seeing certain communities, I see there's a lack 293 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 7: of male presence. And the reason why I go so 294 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 7: hard in what I do and showing empowerment through creativity 295 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 7: and different forms of empowerment. These kids are so used 296 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 7: to seeing people come in and out of their lives. 297 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 7: And I noticed by doing certain backtive schools and speaking 298 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 7: at certain schools, that some individuals come into schools and yes, they'll. 299 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: Do their projects and then they'll move on to things. 300 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 7: That's not to say that certain schools can. 301 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Go a different route, but the thing is that there's 302 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: no consistency in these kids' lives. 303 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 7: And one of the ethnic groups that lack it is 304 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 7: people of color. They see people come in and out 305 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 7: of their lives. I see at different community events where 306 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 7: there's less men or champion. Kudos to our mothers and 307 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 7: our grandmothers and things of that nature, but we need 308 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 7: more men that's going to stand up and I actually 309 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 7: show up to events, put on events that actually empower 310 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 7: you and not. 311 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: Be laxadaticle about it. 312 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 7: Because the majority of our kids, when they see us 313 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 7: put effort into things, they show up as their best. 314 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: So the reason why. 315 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 7: I love empowering people of color is that I like 316 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 7: to show them that it is possible. I was born 317 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 7: after my left ear, I was placed in special education. 318 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: There were so. 319 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 7: Many labels where it kept me in a mental prison 320 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 7: of walking through life because every great opportunity that I 321 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 7: did have, I wasn't capable of walking into it because 322 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 7: I was in a mental prison, basically allowing my past 323 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 7: to take every step by talk so by numbing the pain, 324 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 7: new alcohol or drugs, party and sex, foreign things of 325 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 7: that nature. Our communities, our kids, they need to see 326 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 7: men of color, men in general show up. That's what 327 00:15:59,000 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 7: we need. 328 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 5: Thank you for that. 329 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: You can do the work that you're got too. So 330 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: I said, thank you for the work that you do too. 331 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 4: I'm sitting here and just I don't have kids, but 332 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,479 Speaker 4: I have a niece, and my niece is ten, and. 333 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: As I'm watching her grow up, one. 334 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 4: Of the hardest things for me is that I can't 335 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 4: protect her from like the world of things right, and 336 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 4: it always makes me think, like when I was younger 337 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 4: and my mom was trying to teach me things, why 338 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 4: she tried to insteal certain things because your kids go 339 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: out to the world and you just got to rely 340 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: on what you've taught them. And there were people in 341 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 4: my life that I came across, Like I know, it's hey, 342 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 4: you spoke earlier, but like there were people in my 343 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 4: life that I came across, people like you, that helped to, like, 344 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 4: you know, reinforce things as it was happening. And you 345 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 4: guys are so important because sometimes we don't be heard 346 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 4: in our house, but then we go into the world 347 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 4: and we forget it or you know, So just appreciate 348 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: what you're doing. 349 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: I'm really sitting here. 350 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 4: Thinking like, wow, what you're doing is really gonna you 351 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like it's really going to help 352 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 4: and change people's lives because it did it for me. 353 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: So appreciate you. But thanks for being here to really 354 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: no one question for you, Saintboya. 355 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 4: Now that you're advocating for victims of trafficking and criminal 356 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 4: justice reform, what drives you to keep sharing your story? 357 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: And you talked about this, you know you don't the 358 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: memories that you have aren't painful for you because you 359 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: know how it ends. 360 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: But what drives you to keep telling your story. 361 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 4: In ways in ways that reach people where they feel 362 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 4: like they want to come and think about what the 363 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 4: end of their story will be and not where they 364 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 4: are right now. Like, how are you pushing these women 365 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 4: or even men to be able to see or know 366 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 4: they're in so that they're not afraid to come and 367 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 4: share things with you? 368 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: So how I do it? 369 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: Yes? 370 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 5: I just show up as me authentically, and you know, 371 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 5: there's nothing that's talk to the table. We have conversations, to 372 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 5: be honest with you. When I go into facilities, I 373 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 5: go where they are. A lot of the girls that 374 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 5: I serve, they're currently incarcerated in facilities. I go into 375 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 5: the facilities and sometimes we just sit and we just 376 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 5: have crafts. 377 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: We just do crafts are two crafts. 378 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 5: A lot of conversations are had over glittered and they 379 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 5: just open up. Some of the toughest you know, kids 380 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 5: that are freaking have it throughout the week of the facilities, 381 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 5: they just melt when it comes to needed bracelets. I 382 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 5: don't know what the science is, but that's my thing, 383 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 5: and we just we just talk. We just have honest conversations, and. 384 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: I feel like that's really important. Another thing that's important. 385 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 5: Is that I show up consistently because they desire that 386 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 5: consistent there's this consistency again, consistent healthy relationship, and so 387 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 5: a lot of these young girls, they're struggling with the 388 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 5: same thing many of us have encountered, and that's this 389 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 5: attack on identity, Like the enemy has this huge assignment 390 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 5: attackness and our identity, and that's something that I face. 391 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 5: But meeting them where they are meeting them from who 392 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 5: they are, letting them just as they are, that's really 393 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 5: I guess if I had a strategy, that's what my 394 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 5: strategy is. But it's really important for me to also 395 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 5: do the other side of my work, going out and 396 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 5: speaking about my experience because I remember when I was 397 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 5: young and I didn't identify as a quote unquote trafficking victim, 398 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 5: because the whole discourse on human trafficking was you get 399 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 5: snatched off the street and thrown into a white van 400 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 5: and held in abasement somewhere. For girls like me who 401 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 5: were living on the streets as runaways and did things 402 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 5: that we were taught you needed to do in order 403 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 5: to survive, we were considered fast or promiscuous. 404 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: We were considered doing things that were an act of 405 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 3: volition instead. 406 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 5: Of being violated as children by adults, And so having 407 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 5: that conversation is really important because there are other young 408 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 5: people who may be going through that, maybe experiencing that 409 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 5: they don't understand. There's a name for that. They don't understand, 410 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 5: like that's not on you, and there's a way out 411 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 5: of that. 412 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: I didn't even understand that what I was doing was 413 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: not healthy. 414 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 5: I didn't understand that it was wrong, Like my entire 415 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 5: perception of relationship was skewed. 416 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: My entire perception of what it meaned to be with 417 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: someone else was skewed. 418 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 5: And so that's why it's really important for me, because 419 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 5: they need to understand that there is a way, that 420 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 5: there's a different life, that there's fulfillment waiting for you, 421 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 5: there's happiness waiting for you, and this is not the 422 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 5: end of it. 423 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 3: You know what that you guys do. 424 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 4: Have you guys ever felt like what if I can't 425 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 4: say this person, I'm telling my story, I'm doing all 426 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 4: this word, but what if I can't save this person? 427 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 4: And is there a way to that feeling that you 428 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 4: guys have experienced at all? 429 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: We don't say anyway. The Holy Spirit changed them and 430 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 3: God wills that not one would be lost. He didn't 431 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 3: come to judge, He came to save. He didn't come 432 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: for the well. 433 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: He came for the sick. 434 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 6: And our job is to tell to speak with compassion 435 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 6: and grace and and to pray and to pray for them, 436 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 6: you know, when we're not with them, to pray for them. 437 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 6: Because you know, some plants, some water, God gives the increase. 438 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 3: I cannot believe that a seed that. 439 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 6: Goes into the ground will not grow if it's a 440 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 6: good seed. I definitely believe that we got married on 441 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 6: a rainy Monday in city Hall when we got saved. 442 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 6: And forty years after we got saved, we got married 443 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 6: in our church, our three sons of pastors, with our 444 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 6: eight grandkids. 445 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 3: We finally did it right. Listen. 446 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 6: I love this because we're photoshops here, and you know what, 447 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 6: that's how Jesus sees us. 448 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 3: We are photoshoped. 449 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 6: He sees us without spot and wrinkle. We think he's 450 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 6: examining every piece of dandr, of every little skin, you know, 451 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 6: every little pimple. 452 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 3: He does. 453 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 6: And he sees us through the eyes of the blood 454 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 6: of his son. 455 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: This is how we look to him, and he loves us. 456 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 7: It is interestesting to see those photos because it makes 457 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 7: me think about the times where I'm just trying to 458 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 7: mass so much, because I couldn't stop my mind from 459 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 7: thinking so much. So I always thought that alcohol, even 460 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 7: though I don't need alcohol when I step into a room, 461 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,719 Speaker 7: I'm confident when I step into a room, but in 462 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 7: order to shut my mind off at times, it was 463 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 7: alcohol did that. 464 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know why I allowed it to get 465 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: to a certain place because it. 466 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 7: Started small, and you know when small things turn into 467 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 7: big things. It started to on the weekends in college, 468 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 7: and then from college it took on the weekdays after 469 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 7: work on your finance Saturday and Sunday, and then it 470 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 7: turns to Tuesdays carry over night. Then Thursdays is ladies only. 471 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: But guys, this. 472 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 7: It's like a snowball effect to where it gradually creeps 473 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 7: up on you. 474 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: But the thing is is that my mom always says that. 475 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 7: By are our choices and our decisions, some things don't 476 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 7: have to happen to us. But by our decisions we 477 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 7: get in our own way in those things we make 478 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 7: the wrong decision to put ourselves in the wrong places 479 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 7: at the wrong times, and things. 480 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: Of that nature. 481 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 7: So I'll say all that to say that just seeing 482 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 7: those pictures is just made me start thinking for. 483 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 4: Her some things since to me, I don't know if 484 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 4: you had something you wanted to say a lot like 485 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 4: before we brought into picture it's plafestyle and the break 486 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 4: healty was. 487 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: She basically said what I said. 488 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 5: You know, we can't save anybody, and especially like in 489 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 5: the line work that I'm in with the organization that 490 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 5: I work with. By the time a girl has made 491 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 5: it to me like she's already been given up on 492 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 5: the system, has written her off. 493 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: Parents, teachers, they've all written her off like I served 494 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: what they titled the hardest to serve youth. 495 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 5: And so there are some that you know, all I 496 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 5: can do is show up, can be consistent, and I 497 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 5: can plant good seeds. 498 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 3: That's what's important. 499 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 5: We plant good seed, not just planning to see planting 500 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 5: good seed, and you just trust that. 501 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 3: The Lord is going to take over the rest. But 502 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: sometimes it doesn't work out that way. 503 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 5: Every story is not a happy end thing. I've just 504 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 5: lost the girl not too long ago, and it happens, 505 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 5: and it's a part of the work. But you still 506 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 5: show up and you still keep playing those seeds. You 507 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 5: don't worry about the end results Like the end, that's 508 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 5: none of your business. 509 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: But the Lord does there. 510 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 5: You just do what he calls you to do in 511 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 5: that moment that show up. Make the system thank you. 512 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 6: So. 513 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: In closing, I want you guys to be able to, 514 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: you know, give closing remarks whatever you like to say. 515 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: But there is a closing question. Someone read a scripture 516 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: and then I just want you guys to also mention 517 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: you know what this verse needs to you. 518 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: The scripture says the Lord will. 519 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 4: Bestow on them accrown of beauty instead of ashes, the 520 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 4: oil of joy instead of warning, and a garment of 521 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 4: praise instead of a spirit of despair. 522 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 6: What does that mean to you guys, Well, it means 523 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 6: that God makes to snoop, I want to speak to 524 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 6: the believer for a moment, because a lot of times 525 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 6: we're going to carry our ashes and we put them 526 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 6: on the next day's sacrifice or on the next day's 527 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 6: altar of worship, and you can't have fresh fire with ashes. 528 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 6: And in the Old Testament, the scriptures tell us that 529 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 6: God designated a specific place for the ashes. 530 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: It was called an ash eep. 531 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 6: The priest would actually burn a sacrifice. 532 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: What he was saying he was. 533 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 6: He cut off the animal's head. It was the eyes. 534 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 6: The ears gave it to God. The legs gave his 535 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 6: steps to God. The inner parts washed put on that altar, 536 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 6: and the fact the success is put on the altar 537 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 6: burned up. Then there were ashes that priest literally had 538 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 6: to change his garment, take all the ashes. That was 539 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 6: his pain, his problems, his provision, all of it, and 540 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 6: he would put it on an ash heap, and he 541 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 6: had to remove it far from the area of worship. 542 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 6: And those ashes, to God, they were sacred. 543 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 3: God knew it. 544 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 6: Every ashmanh He knew every tear that that ash meant. 545 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 6: He knew every problem that priests was going through, everything, 546 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 6: the provision that he was grateful for. Every ash meant something. 547 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 3: But the next day there comes Sunday, we're gonna worship. 548 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: We're not gonna have. 549 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 6: Yesterday's ashes on today's sacrifice, because that would be like 550 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 6: trying to cook like this delicious steak in an old 551 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 6: soooded pan that you made something, you're going to ruin it. 552 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 6: So we got to get those ashes out. 553 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: If we dived it to. 554 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 6: God, we have to believe he took it, and He's 555 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 6: gonna make a way for us, and he understands and 556 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 6: he's a man that sympathizes with our weaknesses. 557 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 3: But we got to go the next day and faith 558 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 3: and just. 559 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 6: Once again worship the Lord, because you know what, God, 560 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 6: without faith, it is impossible to please God. God smells faith, 561 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 6: He smells faith. He says, Well, they believe I'm going 562 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 6: to take care of it. Well, they believe that I 563 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 6: understand their situation. Today they're coming in and they're just 564 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,959 Speaker 6: worshiping me because every day, you know, you and I 565 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 6: we have ashes and we how to remove those ashes 566 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 6: so we can have fresh sirt fun. 567 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 5: So this, this actually just came to me because whenever 568 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 5: you said that about the ashes, I was. 569 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: Like, you know you can actually you actually make soap 570 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 3: from ashes. 571 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 5: Ashes used to make love, which is used to make 572 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 5: soap soap because it used to make cleanly. 573 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 3: And stat things God. 574 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 5: But for me that verse in my life, when I 575 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 5: think of, you know, the ashes, I think of how 576 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 5: I had given up that. 577 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: When I think a lot of times we allow. 578 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 5: Our circumstances, the things that we go through to kind 579 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 5: of put a period on things. We think it's all 580 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 5: over with for us, right, we live in that state 581 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 5: of despair. 582 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 3: The rest of the scripture, you know, it talks about, 583 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: you know. 584 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 5: Freedom to the captives, to freedom from darkness for the prisoners, 585 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 5: and we can put ourselves in that own prison, the 586 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 5: prisons of shame, prisons of anger, prisons of. 587 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 3: Hate even and I was in that place. 588 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 5: I was so I can't even begin to express to 589 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 5: you how angry I was at God that he didn't 590 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 5: move the way I wanted him to move when I 591 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 5: wanted him to move that way, and I thought that 592 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 5: that was just it. I was so angry that other 593 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 5: people's faith enraged me. It enraged me to the point 594 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 5: where I would sit there and have entire debates with 595 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 5: people about the existence of God because I. 596 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 3: Didn't want them to believe because I didn't believe either. 597 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 5: And that's where I was whenever my husband came to 598 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 5: me and said, wait a minute, because he's not finished yet. 599 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: He's not done, and. 600 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 5: He took from that place where I had decided everything 601 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 5: was just passions. 602 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 3: It was done, it was destroyed, and now there's. 603 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 5: Beauty in it because now through my freedom from all 604 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 5: of that, other people can achieve that freedom. I was 605 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 5: praying and I was thinking, man, I'm supposed to be 606 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 5: free from this physical prison right now, because Lord, I'm 607 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 5: playing to you. You know everything that went on, You 608 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 5: know my heart, You know me inside and out? 609 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 6: Why are you. 610 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 5: Allowing this to happen to me? But I wasn't even 611 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 5: ready for what He was preparing for me. And you 612 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 5: know that's the crown that He's given me. That now, 613 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 5: that's the life that I can do. 614 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 3: All I have to do is go around and tell 615 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: people how good God is. I don't have a job, 616 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: that's my job. It's a testify how good He is. 617 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 7: And so that's what it means for me, you know, 618 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 7: fear Listening to you guys, it reminds me of a call. 619 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 7: And don't quote me on it because I don't know 620 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 7: who actually says, but it says our deepest spirits that 621 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 7: we are in an adequate, our deeper spirits, that we 622 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 7: are powerful beyond measure. It is not our life, but 623 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 7: our darkness that most frightens us. You plan small does 624 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 7: not served the world. There is nothing likely about you 625 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 7: shrinking so others won't feel insecure around you. Because we 626 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 7: are all meant to shine as children do, and as 627 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 7: we let our own life shine well unconsciously give other 628 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 7: people permission to do the same. 629 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 3: I'm Laurna Rosa. 630 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: This is the latest with Laura Rosa. At the end 631 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: of the day, I tell you, guys, every episode my Lowriders, 632 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: y'all could be anywhere with anybody having a conversation about this, 633 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: but y'all choose to be right here with me. I 634 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: appreciate y'all for that. I will catch you in my 635 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: next episode.