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Speaker 2: Our one on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Ed's

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Speaker 2: Dan Patrick Show. Not exactly the encore we were hoping for,

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Speaker 2: but the Blue Jays handled the Dodgers and that series

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Speaker 2: is now tied at two games. Apiece game coming up tonight.

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Speaker 2: Still no update on George Springer. He missed game four.

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Speaker 2: His status for Game five is unclear. Otani pitched, he pitched, Okay,

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Speaker 2: didn't do anything at the plate, but you had Vlad

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Speaker 2: Guerrero Junior, the third has been the best player so

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Speaker 2: far in the World Series. Twenty six hits, seven home runs,

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Speaker 2: fourteen RBIs in the playoffs. These are all Blue Jays

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Speaker 2: franchise records for a single postseason. But he took advantage

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Speaker 2: of a meat ball that O'tani hung, and O'tani knew

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Speaker 2: it right away, because that's a pitch that Otani hits

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Speaker 2: out of the ballpark. But Vlad Guerrero sitting on that

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Speaker 2: pitch and it was flat and he took it deep.

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Speaker 2: So the Blue Jays, you know, they battled adversity. They're

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Speaker 2: a big underdog here, and you win that game. Following

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Speaker 2: what happened the night before, but when you think about it,

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Speaker 2: I think they left nineteen runners in scoring position in

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Speaker 2: the previous game. They could easily be up three games

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Speaker 2: to one right now, tied it two. They have more

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Speaker 2: hits than the Dodgers do. But this here's your pivotal

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Speaker 2: game five coming up tonight. All right, Seeton poll question

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Speaker 2: for the first hour, what are we thinking?

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Speaker 3: Well, we're just batting this one around right now. For

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Speaker 3: whom is tonight's game more must winish?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: For whom is tonight's game more must win ash?

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Speaker 2: I would say the Dodgers? Really, yeah, yeah, because then

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Speaker 2: you go back to Toronto. Oh, look at Marvin all

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Speaker 2: decked out in his Blue Jay gear.

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Speaker 4: Come on, let's go.

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Speaker 5: We're doing for Carlos Delgado.

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Speaker 2: Come on, you could be a bench coach there. But

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Speaker 2: don Mattingly come on, Oh how many?

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Speaker 5: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Lefty?

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll take a left to Yeah. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 2: say must winnish for the Dodgers, because then it goes

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Speaker 2: back to Toronto. So what else do you have?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: We also had another one or whom are you rooting.

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Speaker 2: For the Blue Jays or Dodgers? Well we had this

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Speaker 2: is a breakdown prior to the start of the World

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Speaker 2: Series four states that they were rooting for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: Everybody else was rooting for the Blue Jays. That was

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Speaker 2: the breakdown across the country. I could see that. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they're rooting for the Blue Jays or

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Speaker 2: rooting against the Dodgers. That you know, I have the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers graduated to the evil empire, you know, with the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: Even then, when you look at the Yankees in the

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Speaker 2: mid nineties, they weren't they weren't, you know, an evil

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Speaker 2: empire players. You didn't like a rod but you liked

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Speaker 2: Paul O'Neill, and you like Bernie Williams and Mo Revere

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Speaker 2: and Derek Jeter. You know, maybe it was the old

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Speaker 2: George Steinbrenner. You didn't like him. But still do you

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Speaker 2: dislike the Dodgers. I don't think o'tani has graduated to

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Speaker 2: that where now you don't like him, or now you

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Speaker 2: root against him, because it's still a great story and

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Speaker 2: you see something you've never seen before. But Freddie Freeman,

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Speaker 2: Clayton Kershaw, Dave Roberts, Mookie Beds, those aren't guys that

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Speaker 2: you root against. You may not root for, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think you go oh, I'm looking forward to seeing

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Speaker 2: that guy lose. You might have thought that with Roger Clemens,

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Speaker 2: with a Rod maybe Andy Pettitt. But you know, for

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Speaker 2: the most part, those Yankees in the mid nineties were

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Speaker 2: you know, just they were great players. Those were great teams.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think the Dodgers have graduated where you

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Speaker 2: may not root for them, but I don't think you're

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Speaker 2: rooting necessarily against them unless just the whole premise of

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Speaker 2: they spend more money than everybody else and that's not fair.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that is probably what you know, but the Yankees

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Speaker 2: did the same thing. You know, people say, oh, they're

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Speaker 2: buying another World Series. Well, okay, here are the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: The Mets tried to do it. But maybe that's what

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Speaker 2: want this if your team could spend the money, you go, hey,

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Speaker 2: same rules as you. We just said to show, Hey, Otani,

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Speaker 2: how about we defer sixty eight million dollars a year

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Speaker 2: after you retire? How about you play for two million dollars. Okay,

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Speaker 2: they just kind of circumvented the rule. You know, this

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Speaker 2: where you go, wait, what are they doing? Anybody else

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Speaker 2: if Soto said, Hey, I'm going to play for two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, A Rod wasn't really part of that great Yankees run.

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Speaker 3: He came after the fact that that's when it was

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Speaker 2: Okay, they were really he got one ring.

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Speaker 3: With them, but he missed that like Paul O'Neill waves

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Speaker 3: say yeah, Ernie Williams and all that.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, I think uh.

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Speaker 2: And Arod's got a documentary out it's a Rod versus

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Speaker 2: Alex and I guess his two personalities. They didn't interview

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Speaker 2: me for that, which I thought maybe I'd get a

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Speaker 2: cameo in there, since I was going to say we

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Speaker 2: nearly came to blows. It was he nearly punched me,

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Speaker 2: because there wouldn't have been blows, it would have been

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Speaker 2: what happened?

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Speaker 4: Did he did he hit me?

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Speaker 2: Okay, But I thought maybe I'd get a cameo in there,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't. I don't even know if they bring

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Speaker 2: up the interview that we had with him that kind

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Speaker 2: of started that mess with him and Jeter when he

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Speaker 2: was calling out Jeter and saying that he doesn't do

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Speaker 2: anything as good as Alex does. Why are they paying

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Speaker 2: him eighteen million dollars a year?

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Speaker 7: Yes, Paul, it's probably one of those documentaries where the

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Speaker 7: subject of the documentary is also the executive producer, which

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Speaker 7: is really not good for objectivity. Executive pruiser Alex Rodriguez,

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Speaker 7: How was that going to be objective?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think I made the cut there.

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Speaker 2: No one reached out, no one said, hey, can we

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Speaker 2: use a clip from your radio show when Alex called

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Speaker 2: out Derek Jeter and then got mad at me because

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Speaker 2: did an interview with Scott rab and said the same thing,

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Speaker 2: and I think Esquire magazine the same exact stuff. When

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Speaker 2: same thing to a magazine writer? Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 7: Going back to the nineties, Yankees. Their players weren't likable,

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Speaker 7: when if you're a fan of the Pirates or whatever team,

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Speaker 7: you knew if you had a star player, the Yankees

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Speaker 7: late nineties early two thousand Yankees, where hey, Kevin Brown

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Speaker 2: Johnny Damon, come on over here.

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Speaker 7: So like the Dodgers, there's no reason to dislike them.

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Speaker 7: They're following the rules, they're doing great work, and their

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Speaker 7: players are likable. But it's the effect where you realize

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Speaker 7: there's like a fifty percent chance that Paul Skeens will

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Speaker 7: be a Dodger in two years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, the Yankees did this. But the

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Speaker 2: Yankees were the first to really monetize having their own network.

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Speaker 2: When you think about the Yes network, they were so

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Speaker 2: far ahead of everybody else. And then they treated this

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Speaker 2: and we've talked about this before, they treated their starting

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Speaker 2: NBC Must see TV with Friends, where you're seeing your stars,

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Speaker 2: you're seeing star power and I thought it was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: But that's what the Dodgers are doing. They're spending the money.

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Speaker 2: We're going to bring in people that you know when

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Speaker 2: you tune it. You know, the Blue Jays, I don't

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Speaker 2: know them. I know Bishett, and I know Vlad and Springer,

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Speaker 2: but you know they're they're trotting out. I got Otani,

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Speaker 2: I got, you know, the biggest sports star in the world.

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Speaker 2: And you got Freddie Freeman, you got Mookie Betts, you

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Speaker 2: got that Dodger backdrop, the Dodger uniforms. The stars come

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Speaker 2: out to watch the dot you know, they treat it

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Speaker 2: that's a you know, brilliant, brilliant business plan. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just prefer teams that win rings in a more

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Speaker 3: fiscally conservative manner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah who does that?

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Speaker 4: Who doesn't?

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Speaker 2: That's just I just prefer that. Okay, well, good luck, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: that's why I Look at all the money they spend. Yeah, no, crap,

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Speaker 2: look at the money everybody spending. Everybody spending a ton

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Speaker 3: Anybody who's actually competitive is spending a fortune.

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Speaker 2: I would love for my team to spend money if

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Speaker 2: I was a fan, and I would say I wish

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Speaker 2: we would spend more money. I don't think there's a

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Speaker 2: fan base that says, hey, let's be responsible here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I have to balance my whole budget. Why doesn't the

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 7: Like the Dodgers are spending three hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 7: on this team right now, and you can make the

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Speaker 7: case Toronto's spending one hundred million less, but they're spending

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Speaker 7: They're not the twenty eighth team. Yeah yeah, they're not

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Speaker 7: this lovable, cute town of Toronto. Yeah yeah, international city?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have an international airport? Okay? Eight seven

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Speaker 2: Twitter handle a DP show. The Saints have made a change.

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Speaker 2: They have who is it, Tyler Shuck?

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Speaker 4: Let's go yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. I watched some

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Speaker 2: It was gianness against a kind of car Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 2: But dribbling is optional now in the NBA, as Johanna's

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Speaker 2: proved to us last night. Now you know, I did

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Speaker 2: slow it down this morning and watched and I counted

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Speaker 2: five steps and a push off and he didn't get

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Speaker 2: called for anything but this silly gather step. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: But you know, traveling doesn't bother me as much as

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Speaker 2: palming the basketball does, because that that's an epidemic. That's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: That's grade school, high school, college, NBA, G League, WNBA,

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Speaker 2: everybody is doing that. Now. If you want to say,

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Speaker 2: but there is a rule about palming, they don't call it,

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Speaker 2: and there is a rule for traveling. They don't remember.

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Speaker 2: You'd always have that guy, you know, they, you know,

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Speaker 2: somebody'd be like, that's traveling. You move your hands in

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Speaker 2: a circular motion. They're not calling that anymore. But if

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Speaker 2: they just come out and say, hey, we're not calling

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Speaker 2: that anymore because it provides better highlights. It allows guys

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Speaker 2: to have more separation, make great moves, athletic moves. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but just tell me that and then I'll move on.

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Speaker 2: But if you have it, call it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See, I think if your hands are big enough in

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Speaker 3: great school at to palma basketball, you should be allowed to.

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Speaker 2: But you I'm not talking about actually, I'm talking about

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Speaker 4: One topic.

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Speaker 2: But but when we get through this gambling stuff the

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Speaker 2: former NFL quarterback. You can also see him on Football

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Speaker 2: Night America. If I gave you the Chiefs or the

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's a good one right there. Who man,

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Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna take the field, Okay, But I don't

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Speaker 2: Once again, what do you need to see from the

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Speaker 4: No, I will acknowledge that already and tell you I

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Speaker 4: I mean, the offense is borderline perfect. Shane Steichen is

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Speaker 2: They remind me of last year's Vikings where we were like,

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, I would I look at this as more

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Speaker 2: You've got Lamar Jackson coming back going to play against

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Speaker 2: don't hope for anything more that way. You know, there's

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Speaker 4: Lamar coming back. I got no worries about their offense.

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Speaker 4: don't worry. The defense got healthy last week Dan, that

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Speaker 4: And that's one thing you look at to go, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Why are the Falcons a mess?

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Speaker 4: That's a great question, you know one, I mean all

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Speaker 4: But that was a shocking game last weekend. I think. One,

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Speaker 4: that makes no sense. You have b John Robinson in

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Speaker 2: Right now, we're talking to Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk

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Speaker 2: Live co host. Let's redraft the twenty twenty four draft.

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Speaker 2: So you have Caleb, you have Jaden, Drake May, Michael Pennix,

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Speaker 4: Okay, so I still think I'm gonna give Jaden number

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Speaker 4: one right now. I understand how awesome Drake May has been, right,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm still gonna go Jayden from everything we

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Speaker 4: right now, but he's also going through you don't You

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Speaker 4: don't sound very confident, well, because it's a close one

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Speaker 4: and I'm himing and hauling here and trying to figure

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Speaker 4: the other thing with Caleb Williams where I defend him.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's learning to play a style of offense

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Speaker 4: you have moments of going, oh, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: that looks as good as I would like. But Dan,

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Speaker 4: I will still tell you he makes throws and scrambles

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Speaker 4: and runs where I go, that's better than any of

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Speaker 4: His arm is specialist. I let us have it as special.

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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna go him to I'll go Drake May three,

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Speaker 4: I'll go bow Knicks four, I'll go Michael Pennix five,

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Speaker 2: Okay, but if you look at this and you say, okay,

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Speaker 4: Right, well, yeah, I think we're a little bit of

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Speaker 4: he'll be better than Tua. And so that's where I

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Speaker 4: He's playing better than Kayleb Williams for sure. But I

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Speaker 4: guess what I'm saying is I think Caleb William's gonna

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Speaker 4: As guess is what my belief is. Still.

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Speaker 2: I see cam Ward play on a weekly basis. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: Gabriel isn't any good. Okay, cam Ward's the number one

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Speaker 2: pick in the draft. If his name was Caleb Williams,

433
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Speaker 2: we would be criticizing him. He would be a focal

434
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Speaker 2: point of all of these shows. Cam Ward doesn't have

435
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Speaker 2: any social media presence, but you'll have Schudor Sanders in Cleveland.

436
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 2: So we're not being fair to Dylan Gabriel. And because

437
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: he's a third round pick, he plays for a bad team,

438
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: but cam Ward is a number one overall pick.

439
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Speaker 4: Right, Well, you make a lot of good points there.

440
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 4: First off, that just you just explained that there's unwarranted, like,

441
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 4: you know, criticism of Caleb Williams too much. I don't

442
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 4: know why, right, I don't know why with that.

443
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: Because he gets there's this you get clicks.

444
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Speaker 4: That's why he got his fingernails. He had a pink phone,

445
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 4: went to usc after a game and it became a

446
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 4: thing where I'm gonna go, Yeah, but he makes some

447
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 4: of the damnedest plays and throws I've ever seen in

448
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 4: the history of the game.

449
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Speaker 2: Proper analysis, I get.

450
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Speaker 4: You there where it's different here and where I'll say

451
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Speaker 4: to you, like, first off, the Titans come on, it's

452
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 4: a freaking disaster.

453
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Speaker 2: A disaster, arens.

454
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Speaker 4: Yes they are. The Browns have an all star defense.

455
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 4: If the Browns just have an offense at all, they'd

456
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 4: be a real pain in the butt that that's that's

457
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Speaker 4: the problem, right, So I think I look at that.

458
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 4: I mean the Titans, I mean they're the coach that

459
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 4: just got fired. He didn't know the rules of what

460
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 4: receiver getting in bounds is. I mean, that was a

461
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 4: disaster there. I don't know what else to say. Cam

462
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 4: Warden makes a few plays in every game, Dan that

463
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 4: I go, WHOA makes a few throws every game Where

464
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 4: I sit here in the NBC viewing room and everyone goes,

465
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Speaker 4: oh my gosh, cam Ward Dylan Gabriel's had zero of

466
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: those plays. Yet Dylan Gabriel has moments where I go,

467
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Speaker 4: I would never make him my starting quarterback? Are you

468
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 4: kidding me? See you, Let's call Shador and figure that

469
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 4: out now. So I'm already in let's do the Shador

470
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 4: thing and not necessarily knocking on Dylan Gabriel all the

471
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Speaker 4: way because it's they doesn't have a great offense around

472
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Speaker 4: him either, But they need to figure out what they

473
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: got there because they're going to be right back in

474
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Speaker 4: the quarterback draft market once again. And that's the only

475
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Speaker 4: reason I say that. But yeah, cam Ward's shown me

476
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Speaker 4: some elite stuff at least along the way. Dylan Gabriel

477
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Speaker 4: is not to this.

478
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Speaker 2: Point, Okay, Chador Sanders was putting up Dylan Gabriel numbers,

479
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Speaker 2: nobody would be saying you got to put in Dylan

480
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Speaker 2: Gabriel probably not.

481
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Speaker 4: No and no, but that's not fair. And I agree

482
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Speaker 4: with you there, And that's the problem with when you

483
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Speaker 4: that's why, oh, the analytics said the draft Shador Sanders, Well,

484
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 4: the human analytics of saying it's stupid and it's the

485
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Speaker 4: number one thing that's a distraction and talked about your

486
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Speaker 4: football team all year. We don't talk about anything in

487
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Speaker 4: Cleveland except Shador Sanders, Miles Garrett at five secs? Is

488
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 4: Shador going to start? So that's what's.

489
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Speaker 2: Crazy and not fair to your point one hundred percent, Okay,

490
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: you get one pick in the NFC. You can take

491
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Speaker 2: that team against everybody else.

492
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Speaker 4: Gosh, the NFC. So I think the NFC is so

493
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: much better than the AFC, right, I mean it's not

494
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 4: even close to me. I mean again, you're talking about

495
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: Kansas City, who's five and three? Are they're the best

496
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 4: team in the AFC? Right, And there's flaws with everybody

497
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 4: the Chargers in the playoffs, flaws Buffalo's flaws. Pittsburgh, Oh

498
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 4: my gosh, flaws. Right, you know, New England and Denver

499
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: there's still new kids on the block. Right after that

500
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 4: is Jacksonville and Houston. Flaws everywhere the NFC. I go

501
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 4: Green Bay, Oh my gosh, no flaws. Just play better,

502
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: You're amazing. Philadelphia, Oh my gosh, no flaws. Just play

503
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 4: a little more efficient on offense. You're amazing. Tampa Bay,

504
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 4: You're awesome. Just get healthy, and you're elite. Detroit, do

505
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Speaker 4: I have to say anymore? I mean, we know Detroit's elite.

506
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 4: The Rams, the Seahawks are a super Bowl like caliber

507
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: football team with their defense and all of that. So

508
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 4: I just look at the NFC and go, oh my gosh, Wow,

509
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 4: now you're gonna make me pick one. Who I feel?

510
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 4: Detroit right now? That's what I feel. Now. They got

511
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 4: to get healthy in the secondary too, But I think

512
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 4: if you made me pick one, I'm gonna take Detroit.

513
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 4: But it is close in the NFC, and there's a

514
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: lot of teams in that super Bowl window.

515
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Speaker 2: The best team that plays in Sofi Stadium is is

516
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Speaker 2: definitely the Rams. The Rams.

517
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Chargers. The offensive line injuries just decimated them right,

518
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: and now they can't run the ball, and it's justin

519
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: Herbert just carry us every week. On that side of

520
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 4: the ball. They are very good in past defense, but

521
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 4: they don't have enough difference makers in their front seven.

522
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Speaker 4: With the Chargers, the Rams are the Rams can win.

523
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Speaker 2: The Super Bowl. I don't feel that way about the Chargers.

524
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Speaker 2: Before I let you go your Alma mater or Texas.

525
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: Steve Sarkisian, there was a report that said that he

526
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: or his people were kicking the tires on him being

527
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: a head coach in the NFL. What do you make

528
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Speaker 2: of that?

529
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Speaker 4: I don't really buy that. Now. Do I think maybe

530
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 4: one of these owners that's looking to get a head

531
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: coach might have said something to Diana Russini or somebody

532
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: out there to go, yeah, Steve Sarkisian, we're looking at

533
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: him too. Did that happen? I don't doubt that, Do

534
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: I think Steve Sarkisian. Do I think the NFL is

535
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 4: clamoring for Steve Sarkisian? No, not right now? Especially wait,

536
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Speaker 4: you had the number one pick of the draft and

537
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 4: he's falling to one seventy one. Here. The offense doesn't

538
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 4: look good like this is not the time you want

539
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 4: to get Steve Sarkisian in. And the other thing I

540
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 4: would just argue is, I mean, there's not a better

541
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 4: job in sports than being the head coach at Texas.

542
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 4: You get paid like you're a big time professional head

543
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: coach and you're the king of the land, as you know,

544
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 4: and they got a roll into Texas. They're not playing

545
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 4: as good this year, but yeah, I don't see that happening.

546
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Speaker 2: Dan, What do you make of arch as Arch turned

547
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: the corner here?

548
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: Well, I was the fourth quarter I thought was his

549
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: best quarter last week of his season.

550
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: Right.

551
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: He made some throws and some plays where I went, oh,

552
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 4: there's the arch manning I remember and saw a little

553
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: last year and all that. I think that, you know,

554
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 4: his mechanics and his throwing just we're not up to

555
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: his standards or the way he threw it last year.

556
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: And when he got in and I think, Dan, when

557
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 4: it happens, and you know this, when you don't throw

558
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: the ball well and you don't trust where the ball

559
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 4: is going to go, it starts to affect your decision making,

560
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: and I feel like that happened with him as well.

561
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 4: Plus they weren't able to run the ball the majority

562
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 4: of the year or help him out that way. So yeah,

563
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 4: I mean Archill, he's going to be back at school.

564
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 4: There's no way he should go out in the draft,

565
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: and you know, I think that'll be good for him

566
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 4: and my Texas Longhorns.

567
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: Okay, but every year at the draft we talk about

568
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: next year's draft class with quarterbacks, it's usually not this

569
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: draft class. So people were talking about this at the

570
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: draft in Green Bay about oh my god, wait till

571
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Speaker 2: next year. Well, I know there's one guy who might

572
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: be a top ten pick, and that's Mendoza in Indiana,

573
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm guessing. And that's what mel Kiper talked about this.

574
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: You got guys who are going to be going back

575
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: to school like they're not They're not coming out.

576
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Like Dante Moore has that type of talent.

577
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: I hope he goes back to goes back to Oregon, though.

578
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 4: I'd like to see him get one more year and

579
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 4: experience there. I think it'll help him out. The guy

580
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: I would tell you though, that I would put every

581
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: bit in Mendoza's class is the kid at Alabama, Ty Simpson. Yeah,

582
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: I mean he makes more wow plays and throws to

583
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: me on a weekly basis than than even than Mendoza.

584
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 4: But there's some good quarterbacks out there, You're right, But

585
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: it's going to be about who comes out. And yes, Dan,

586
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: every year, unqualified people make qualifying statements about the draft

587
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 4: and what's going to happen next year, you know, cade Klubnik,

588
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 4: I was watching it last year. I was like, if

589
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 4: he's the number one pick next year, people were saying

590
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 4: that he's a top five pick. I'm going, are we

591
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 4: watching the same game? He's a good player, but myer,

592
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: uh right, right, Nutsmier I think has fought through some injury,

593
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 4: and I do think there's some talent there. I think

594
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: he had an oblique strain. I think that affected his

595
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: throwing this year. But yeah, it hasn't been up to

596
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 4: the standards of what we were, you know, sold in

597
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: the in the last offseason.

598
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just we love to hype these quarterbacks and

599
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: then I know, quarterback, quarterback, and then we blame them

600
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: when they don't live up to our expectation.

601
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 4: Exactly right, exactly right. It's it's a messed up thing.

602
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: And that's where I always bray. I blame Brady and

603
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: Manning because just all those years of those teams being

604
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: good and then being the quarterbacks. It just changed the

605
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: public's perception of like, well, if you've got a quarterback,

606
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 4: you should win every year. If you've got a quarterback,

607
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 4: you should win every year. And as we know, it's

608
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: the ultimate team sport. And if you don't got the

609
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: right team around you, you're you're not gonna look that

610
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: good at quarterback.

611
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: More impactful as a quarterback. Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, Oh,

612
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: our style and everything they brought. You know, Peyton changed

613
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: the game. Yeah, yeah, and Tom changed the game too.

614
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: Now they did it in different ways. I can tell

615
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: you in their prime right.

616
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: That when Peyton Manning came to town, our team was

617
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 4: more nervous than Tom Brady. All right, When Tom Brady

618
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: came to town, it was like, oh gosh, it's the

619
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: Patriots and Belichick and Brady. Right when it was the Colts.

620
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: The whole the whole locker room and the coaching staff

621
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: was like the Sheriff's coming, Peyton's coming, Peyton's coming. Oh,

622
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 4: red alert, get your defensive checks ready, Holy crap, here

623
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Speaker 4: we go. Hey Sims, you're the scout team quarterback. Can

624
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: you be Peyton many this week? We needed to spend

625
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 4: fake ninety seven checks and do it all.

626
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: So wait, you have to imitate that Peyton Manning.

627
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 4: I always had to do Peyton Manning, especially in Tennessee.

628
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: I always did it. I'd go and I took great

629
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 4: pride in doing that.

630
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: How did it sound, give me a little Peyton Manning?

631
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I just had all his manner rhythms down.

632
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: You know, I'd be underneath the center and I'd fix

633
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: my hit leg and I'd walk down and go down

634
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 4: and you know, and do all that stuff. I didn't

635
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: exactly emulate his accent or do anything of that. But man,

636
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: that's where Peyton Manning is one of the greatest ever, right,

637
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: he really was. So he changed the game as far

638
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: as giving control back to the quarterback at the line

639
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: of scrimmage and do all that stuff right and putting

640
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 4: more on the quarterback. That's where he changed the game.

641
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: Brady changed the game, and he changes throwing mechanics once

642
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: to extend his career and become a better thrower. And

643
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: of course what he did health and longevity wise, So

644
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of both x's and o's and

645
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Speaker 4: football wise, I'll go with Peyton Manning off the field, lasting,

646
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 4: keeping yourself and tiptop shape. I go with Tom Brady

647
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Speaker 4: good to talk to you. You know it, man, you're

648
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Speaker 4: the man. Tell those jerks. I said, Hi over there right.

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Speaker 2: Hey jerks.

650
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Speaker 4: Chris says, well, hey jerks, how are you jerks? See

651
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Speaker 2: Shay Gilgis Alexander had thirty one points thunderstay undefeated. He's

657
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: the third player in NBA history to score at least

658
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy four points through the first five

659
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Speaker 2: games of his season, and he joined Steph and Wilt Chamberlain.

660
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Speaker 2: Chamberlain had one hundred and seventy four Steph Curry one

661
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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy nine points. There brought to you by

662
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Speaker 2: Pennine America. Austin Reeves I think has one hundred and

663
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Speaker 2: forty three points after three games, so he could actually

664
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Speaker 2: join the list with Steph Curry, Wilt Chamberlain, and Shay

665
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Speaker 2: Gilgis if he has a big night tonight or their

666
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Speaker 2: next game. But I think he's got one hundred and

667
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Speaker 2: forty three points in three games.

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Speaker 7: Kids, let me tell you about the old days. I

669
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 7: got to see Wilt Chamberlain, Steph Curry, Steph Curry.

670
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Speaker 2: And Austin Austin Reeves. All right, Michael Jordan did his

671
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: sit down. Well, I think it's just a one time

672
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: only Mike Teriico visits Michael Jordan in Florida and they

673
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: go over a variety of topics. I'm assuming that's what

674
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: this is going to be. I hope it's not. I

675
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: hope it it's timelier. Then we can talk bigger pictures,

676
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: like you know this story, this player, something that happened,

677
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: and you can get his reaction to it. Not in

678
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: real time, but let's say once a month, Tarico is

679
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: able to go there. I hope it's not just a

680
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: one and done where you sit for Mike, sit Mike

681
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: for three hours and you go over a variety of topics.

682
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: But he did talk about load management last night.

683
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Speaker 4: What do you think of when you hear the term

684
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: load matt thrown around? Well, it shouldn't be needed.

685
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 6: I never wanted to miss a game because it was

686
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 6: an opportunity to prove it was it was something that

687
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 6: I felt, like, you know, the fans are there that

688
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 6: watch me play.

689
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: I want to I want to.

690
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Speaker 6: Impress that guy way up on top who probably worked

691
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 6: his ass off to get a ticket or to get

692
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 6: money to buy the ticket.

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Speaker 4: You really cared about the guy who sat at the

694
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Speaker 4: top at the Palace in Auburn Hills to watch you

695
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: when you came to Detroit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because I know he's probably yelling at me, and

697
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 6: I want to shut him up. He's calling me all

698
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 6: kinds of names. I definitely want to shut him up.

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Speaker 4: Right, you have a duty that if they're wanting to

700
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: see you, and as an entertainer.

701
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Speaker 6: I want to show right. So if the guys are

702
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 6: coming to watch me play, I don't want to miss

703
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 6: that opportunity. Now physically, if I can't do it, then

704
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 6: I can't do it.

705
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Speaker 2: Okay, there's no news here. Because Mike wanted to play.

706
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: These guys, they're not going to be like, man, did

707
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: you hear what Jordan said? Now let's play seventy five games.

708
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. I'm sure the NBA love

709
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: this too, because the NBA is trying to get these

710
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: players to play more games. They're not going to do it.

711
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: There's too much money to be made, and if you

712
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: can somehow sit out instead of playing through something and

713
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: an extend your career, you're going to do that because

714
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: the amount of money that's there. Would we like you

715
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: to play seventy five games, yes, Would we like you

716
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: to get paid for each game you play? Yes?

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00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: We would.

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Speaker 2: Wait till somebody is making a million dollars a game

719
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Speaker 2: and they decide to sit out two games. Wait till

720
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: that happens. They're going to rest now. And you can

721
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: say you're bay, I tweaked something. Okay, we have to

722
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: believe you. But you know, you get load management with

723
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: these guys. Lebron a couple of years ago, I thought

724
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: was trying to prove, Hey, I'm going to play seventy games.

725
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: I think he played seventy one in seventy Hey at

726
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: my age, look at me. But then you know, like

727
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: the prior five years to that, there were some seasons

728
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 2: where he's playing fifty games. Fifty five games, and he's

729
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: one of the best. Well, it's probably been in better

730
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Speaker 2: shape than any other athlete. But Mike didn't make any

731
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Speaker 2: head And if Michael said, hey, I understand load management,

732
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Speaker 2: I don't blame them. Now you're getting a headline. But

733
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Speaker 2: for Mike Now, I was kind of surprised that Mike

734
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: Trico did ask the question because I mean, it's a topic.

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00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: But you know, when I had the commissioner on it

736
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: and I said, you got to do mandatory, you gotta

737
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: are minimum games, you got to have sixty five games

738
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Speaker 2: to qualify for postseason honors, and then he did it.

739
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Speaker 2: Now there's some people who weren't happy about it, still

740
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: aren't happy about it. But I'm trying to get the

741
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: most out of a product. I'm trying to be able

742
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: to see these players instead of you tune in and

743
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: you go, wait, where's Steph Curry? He's out? All right,

744
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: I'm out too. I hate to see it now. I

745
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 2: don't want you playing through something you know that could

746
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: be severe. And yes, I grew up in a completely

747
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: different era where I never ever thought about that. I

748
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: never thought, oh my gosh, you know he's going to

749
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: sit out because why back to back games. Okay, today's

750
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: athlete is in better shape, travels, better nutrition, has been

751
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: all of that, but they're sitting out more games like

752
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard. I mean when he plays, I go oh,

753
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: be damn Kawhi played. That's not good for the league

754
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: for what he gets paid. And I know he's a

755
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, but to me, he's never been musty TV.

756
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: He doesn't talk about the game. I don't know if

757
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: he loves the game. I can say he's a good businessman,

758
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: but I don't go, oh, let me see Kawhi well

759
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: lock somebody up or hit a fifteen foot jumper and

760
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: just not interested in it. But I would still like

761
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: to see him play for the benefit of the Clippers.

762
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Speaker 2: But Jordan's saying that last night didn't have any impact.

763
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: It just feels like whatever Mike says, okay, it's going

764
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Speaker 2: to make a headline or people are going to talk

765
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Speaker 2: about it because Mike doesn't talk about these things. I

766
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: just don't want to be talking about broad topics. I

767
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: want to make sure that I'd love to know what

768
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: Mike thinks about Victor wembin Yama right now, But you know,

769
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: you do the interview a month ago or two months ago.

770
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Speaker 2: There's I want timely Michael Jordan. I don't want a

771
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: documentary where he's sitting in a chair of a cigar

772
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: and you know tequila. I'd love. I thought this was

773
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: going to be what Kobe did in details because I

774
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: thought it was fascinating because I'm watching Kobe breakdown plays

775
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: players teams, and it felt like it was more immediate,

776
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 2: and that's what I would like to get out of Michael.

777
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to be that way.

778
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: I hope that, you know, Tarico goes there and sits

779
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: down and they wear different clothes and then they're going

780
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: to be able to talk about some things that have

781
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: happened in the season so far.

782
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Speaker 5: Yes, Marv, I'm with you because I would love to

783
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 5: see Michael Jordan's thoughts on somebody like Shay Gildess Alexander,

784
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 5: a great two guard, a great score, just to see

785
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 5: how he differs and how he just sees the game

786
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 5: and in comparison to what Shaye Gilgess Alexander does.

787
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Mike might be saying, you see how he

788
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: draws contact here, he shoots a lot of free throws

789
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: that like, I would love to do that where I'd

790
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: say to Mike, Hey, tell me what you see with

791
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: Shaye Gilges, how would you defend it? What is he

792
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: getting away with? Because he is getting away with, you know,

793
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: pushing off. But great players get away with Mike got

794
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: away with it, Magic Bird, run down the list, they

795
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: all got away with something. But I would love to

796
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: know what Mike sees in that. I'd love for him to,

797
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: you know, down Luca, any of these younger players would

798
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: be great. It'd be a lot of fun. But I

799
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: think that's the one thing that will miss out of

800
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: this is Michael. But it doesn't feel like it's immediate. Yeah,

801
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: morph Yeah.

802
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 5: I would just love to hear Tarico ask him, Hey,

803
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 5: what similarities do you see in Anthony Edwards? Because people

804
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: were talking about Anthony Edwards being the closest thing to

805
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan and what Mike sees.

806
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, Paul, going back to load management, it's one of

807
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 7: those phrases where collectively everyone hates it.

808
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: We talk about it, we put it at a poll.

809
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 7: Is there any chance, though, that if you had a

810
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 7: do over, you kind of would wish that load management

811
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 7: was around in the eighties and nineties. Would Larry Bird

812
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 7: had played till thirty five instead of thirty one? Would

813
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 7: you know, like Steph Curry right now is thirty seven

814
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 7: still playing great basketball. The first half of his career

815
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 7: he played seventy five plus games all the time. The

816
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 7: second half it's close to like sixty five to seventy.

817
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 7: Is that the reason Steph Curry is not retired right now?

818
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 7: And could that be like would you rather have Larry

819
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 7: Bird for ten years for eighty games or thirteen years

820
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 7: for seventy five games?

821
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather have a couple more years with him.

822
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 7: I wonder you know, it's hard to say, but would

823
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 7: it have been better for guys like that to occasionally

824
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 7: do that?

825
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: Well? They had injuries. Bird had a bad back, right,

826
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: but Steve Nash had a bad back.

827
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 7: But did they did Bird exacerbate it because it's my back.

828
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 7: I'll play through a couple of.

829
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: Nights because that's the way he played. Yeah, he couldn't

830
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: change the way he played. That's the problem, Steve Nash.

831
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: Maybe you get a couple more years. Remember nash On

832
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: when he was out of a game, he'd had to

833
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: stretch the entire time. The number of players last year

834
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: who played eighty or more games, Todd, do you want

835
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: to guess?

836
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: Don't have anything? What we played more than eighty games?

837
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh?

838
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 4: Oscar Robertson No.

839
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 2: Eleven, Marvin, how many players played at least eighty games last.

840
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 4: Year seven last year. After you said all the time,

841
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 4: what was it? Marvin seventeen?

842
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: Okay, seat twenty five, twenty.

843
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: Two, twenty eleven times two is twenty two?

844
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: No todd no' sit out. Go back to twenty fourteen,

845
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: it was fifty three players. Go back to two thousand

846
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: and four, it was seventy two. Back to nineteen ninety

847
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: four it was eighty three players, and back to eighty

848
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: four it was seventy seven players. So this is certainly

849
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: a trend. I understand it. It's just it's difficult to

850
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 2: tune into something. It'd be like going to a Broadway

851
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: show and the person you're going to go see has

852
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: to stand in. Are you going to stay for the

853
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 2: Broadway show? Okay? I got no other choice. I've already

854
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: bought tickets to this or tuning in to watch a

855
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: movie and the star is not there. But we've talked

856
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: to the commissioner about it. I don't think there's a

857
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: solution because the NFL, the NBA Player Association is not

858
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: going to let you implement some kind of hey for

859
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 2: play system where you get your paycheck when you show

860
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: up to work. That's not going to happen because I

861
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 2: can't force you to play.

862
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 5: Yes, Mark, the closest thing is, like you suggested that

863
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 5: Adam Silver implement. It was the sixty five minimum games

864
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 5: to where you can get an All NBA selection or

865
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 5: MVP or anything like that.

866
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: Fred in South Carolina, Hi, Fred, what's on your mind today?

867
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 9: You couldn't warn DP and the dan Is brother Dan.

868
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 9: You were always on target and right this stuff about

869
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 9: the load management. Yeah, I agree with you. I don't

870
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 9: want to show up and pay all that money and

871
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 9: you guy not be there. And the other thing you

872
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 9: talked earlier, the first hour palm and the ball that

873
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 9: goes back to Alan, It was way back in the next.

874
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: Day, right Alan iverson with the Sixers. Yes, but thank

875
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 2: you Fred.

876
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

877
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 2: John Stockton to me, was one of the first guys

878
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: that I saw do that where he was palming the ball,

879
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: carrying the ball. But it's here to stay. I just

880
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: next time I had the commissioner on and there's no

881
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: gambling situation going on. I want to say, there is

882
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 2: a rule for this. Why don't we use the rule?

883
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: There is a rule for traveling. Just tell me we're

884
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: not calling traveling anymore, or we're not going to call

885
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: carrying the basketball anymore. And if that's the case, okay, yes, see, do.

886
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: We really want to go back to hand on top

887
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: of the ball like you're patting someone on the head. Though, Well,

888
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: I think that there's a happy medium there. Well, this

889
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 3: is egregious, right, but the happy medium is a gray

890
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: area of is it or isn't it? Well, are you

891
00:45:59,360 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: carrying the.

892
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: Ball or not? I think if the ball is suspended

893
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: in mid air, you're carrying it like a yeah, it's

894
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: like and then I start to dribble again. It's everything's

895
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: gray area when you think about a call. Is that

896
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: holding that's a gray area? Is that pass interference that's

897
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: gray area? It's that traveling that's great? I mean, yeah,

898
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: but that's why I like holding should just be allowed.

899
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: I agree, you should just let them do it.

900
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: Everyone is holding on every play, but you just decided

901
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 3: to call this one that's stupid.

902
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: Or put them all in mittens. I agree, we've tried

903
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: to do that. But we don't talk to this commissioner. No,

904
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't talk to us, so I can't say, hey,

905
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: how about linemen have to wear mittens on more? Talk

906
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: at him? Yes we do, I'm told he gets the

907
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: message I'm told, but he comes on when I'm not here.

908
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: That's so technically he's been on the show. I'm going

909
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: to take a day off and then maybe Ross Tucker

910
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: can get the commissioner on. I'll give Ross some Q

911
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: questions to ask the commissioner.

912
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: Why do you hood guys at the draft?

913
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: Too long? Too hard?

914
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 4: Nick?

915
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: And Florida? Hi, Nick, what's on your mind today?

916
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 10: Good morning dad? Six foot one seventy. I am ready

917
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 10: to overreact. Four games in and my Miami Heat had

918
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 10: their second one hundred and forty point plus game last night.

919
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 10: Him Hawks junior twenty eight points, nine to fourteen, eight

920
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 10: for eight from the line. He is out of the

921
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 10: sophomore slump in his third year. And you guys were

922
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 10: talking hot sauce earlier. Put some sach on an egg

923
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 10: sending which underrated.

924
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Nick. Apparently your Miami Heater underrated.

925
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: It's a hot take. Whoh okay, I see what you did.

926
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: I see what you did.

927
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: By the way, I think it should be himI Hawks

928
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: junior the herd. If you're going all all Jay heimihk

929
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 3: is who.

930
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: It's former UCLA brewin right, Yeah, pat Riley knows how

931
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: to draft.

932
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 10: He does.

933
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: He knows how to he knows how to find those players.

934
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: That was always weird that I never had a relationship

935
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: with pat Riley, even when I was working at the Mothership,

936
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: even when I was covering the NBA Finals with Jack Ramsey.

937
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: He didn't give me the time of the day. He

938
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: couldn't care. And then we go to Dan Levittard's wedding,

939
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: my wife and I and I walk in and I

940
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: see pat Riley is there with his wife. And then

941
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: my wife goes, who is that, like, you know, had

942
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: a hair, slick back, you know, the whole thing, and

943
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: go that's pat Riley. I said, uh, don't have don't

944
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: have a relationship with him. She goes, did you say anything.

945
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: I go, no, no, no, I just I don't know.

946
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: We never connected and it's like, you know whatever, and

947
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 2: she So I'm standing at the bar with my back turn.

948
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, pat Riley comes over with his wife.

949
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: He goes, Dan, great to see you. How are you now?

950
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 2: My wife is like, wait a minute, this guy didn't

951
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: like him, and pat introduces me to his wife. We

952
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: start talking and I, you know, complimented him on his

953
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: roster and you know, all this stuff and his hair

954
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: and his championships and all those things, and he could

955
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: not have been nicer. And then my wife blames me, like,

956
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: you know, you kind of painted a picture like this

957
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 2: guy hates you. I go, no, I don't. Just didn't

958
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: think he knew me. He acknowledged me. Even when they

959
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: won a championship. And I'm there in South Beach when

960
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: the Heat win a championship with d Wade and Shack. No,

961
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, I'd see Pat right, I go Hi, Pat,

962
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: He'd go Hi.

963
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 4: That was it.

964
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was one of those where you go,

965
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: all right, hey Pat, Now that's one of those if

966
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: I see him again and I go, hey Pat, Yes

967
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: it's Marvin pat Riley.

968
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 4: Best dressed coach ever. Hmm.

969
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'd be hard pressed. Like now, guys don't

970
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: want to like they dress like we do. You know

971
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: you have a track suit on or you know there's

972
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: no suit and tie anymore.

973
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: Quarters zips.

974
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Ryles was a thing back then, like

975
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: that was a who still is, yes it is, oh yeah,

976
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: But watching him on the sidelines because he was a

977
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: former player and that suit looked great, hair looked great,

978
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: and he he meant business, what a competitor and still is.

979
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 5: Yes, Mart, Yeah, he seems like one of those guys

980
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 5: when he was dressed up you wouldn't realize as a player,

981
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 5: he was a gritty and gutty guy. Yes, and he

982
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 5: wanted to play like the Knicks in the nineties, not

983
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 5: like the Showtime Lakers. The Knicks in the nineties were

984
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 5: really how he wanted to play. Let's fight that was terrible,

985
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 5: such bad basketball that people clamor for let's go back

986
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 5: to the nineties.

987
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 4: Are you sure? No? You sure?

988
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: The eighty three seventy nine they moved the

989
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 5: Three point line in because people were shooting the ball

990
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 5: so terribly