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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge podcast presented by DraftKings. I'm Gary

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Speaker 1: Downing joined by Ryan Mink. It's the bye week for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens and we're doing today's podcast a little bit differently.

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Speaker 1: Hard Knocks kicks off tonight on HBO and Max at

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Speaker 1: nine o'clock is where you can watch it. And this

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Speaker 1: is an AFC North look in season version of Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 1: So the first part of today, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: with one of the key producers here who is here

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore, focusing on the Ravens element of Hard Knocks,

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Speaker 1: and then on the back end, we're also going to

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Speaker 1: take a look at the film from the Eagles game,

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Speaker 1: what went right, what did not go right, and dive

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Speaker 1: into that as well.

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Speaker 2: We are sitting down with NFL Film Senior producer Tim Rumph,

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Speaker 2: who is here on site as part of Hard Knocks

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Speaker 2: with the AFC North and he's going to be producing

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Speaker 2: the Ravens side of things. And this is a treat

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Speaker 2: for me, especially because Tim and I go way back,

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Speaker 2: actually to college. We were both at University of Maryland

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Speaker 2: and we co hosted a WNUC radio show called Strictly

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Speaker 2: Sports that thankfully there's no record off on the internet.

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Speaker 3: I try to find it. No record.

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Speaker 4: I think we might have to go back to my

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Speaker 4: mom's basement or something. Yeah, who would have thought eighteen

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Speaker 4: twenty years later we'd be here.

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Speaker 3: Yep, reunited.

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Speaker 2: Pretty cool and like we haven't even seen each other

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Speaker 2: since college. We bumped into each other. We ran into

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Speaker 2: each other here at the SOLDI the other last week

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Speaker 2: and we were like, oh my god, it was crazy

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Speaker 2: TERP reunion, so very cool, very cool.

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Speaker 5: I've just taken tim seat.

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Speaker 1: You know, you guys started basically the podcast exit twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago.

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Speaker 5: True, I'm keeping the sea war for you, so now

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Speaker 5: you're back.

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Speaker 2: It's so true, you know, you know it's funny, how

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Speaker 2: quick little story. So we would have we would have

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Speaker 2: hit it big. We would have had a huge following

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Speaker 2: had it not been for my roommate at the time

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Speaker 2: who went on my computer when I was out of

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Speaker 2: the room and switched the link to our radio show

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Speaker 2: that I had in my instant messenger like away profile

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Speaker 2: or whatever, right, and it was like, listen to our

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Speaker 2: show here, click this link, and he switched the link

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Speaker 2: to like a secret link that we'll just say went

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Speaker 2: to not our sports show, and that just totally killed

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Speaker 2: our listener. Shit, we would have.

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Speaker 4: Even told me that we could have had double digit.

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Speaker 2: Listeners exactly, not just their mobs, but thrilled to have

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Speaker 2: you on.

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Speaker 3: And it's like just kind of take us behind the.

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Speaker 2: Scenes of you know, what you're what you're up to,

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Speaker 2: and what this week looks like as you kind of

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Speaker 2: dig into the Ravens coverage here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm really excited.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the show will debut Tuesday on December third

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Speaker 4: at nine.

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Speaker 5: Pm on HBO and Max.

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Speaker 4: So right now, we're kind of just trying to gather

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Speaker 4: as many elements as possible as the Ravens prepare on

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Speaker 4: this short week and this really difficult week to be honest,

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Speaker 4: with Thanksgiving in there as well. You're coming off a

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Speaker 4: So it's for me a really interesting point to kind

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Speaker 4: it's kind of looking towards that last home stretch as

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Speaker 4: you're really trying to position yourselves.

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Speaker 3: For the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: You got a Pittsburgh game coming up in a couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks, where you could be fighting for the division.

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Speaker 4: So it's really shaping up to be a really interesting

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Speaker 5: These next couple of weeks. Yeah, so will you arrive

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Speaker 5: here with Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 1: You kind of come in and there's a number of people,

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Speaker 1: there's extra cameras, there's a crew, and you know, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it comes on a couple of different levels.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the first, it just starts with NFL Films

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Speaker 4: I mean nobody in this building probably was part of that.

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Speaker 4: But that's part of the exciting for me, is that

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Speaker 4: that was groundbreaking, no one kind of kind of done

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Speaker 4: is going to just come in time. And we've had

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Speaker 4: And you know, what we let them know and what

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Speaker 4: we've kind of perfected the art of just being a

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Speaker 4: I mean, players are so used to this point, you know,

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Speaker 5: You know, we're not.

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Speaker 4: You know, news outlet that's kind of like, oh, out

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Speaker 5: So yeah, overall, we.

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Speaker 4: Have seventeen robotic cameras throughout the building. They're all in

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Speaker 4: I think that's what really makes this show special. Are

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Speaker 4: those stolen moments that you get, I mean, that's what

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Speaker 2: You know, you talk about how this is the first

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Speaker 2: a whole division. Make Why did they do that? And

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Speaker 2: what kind of unique stories do you think you can

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Speaker 4: and draw more interest. And why this division specifically is.

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Speaker 4: I mean you just look last season where you had

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Speaker 4: them making the playoffs. Right, there's no better division possible.

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Speaker 4: And that's just the recency you add in that than

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Speaker 3: Other, and that just can confirm.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that just lends itself to some great storytelling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and plus they play each other a ton

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Speaker 3: I mean that was like movie magic right there.

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Speaker 1: We had the weather machine that made that. That was

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Speaker 5: Right there was it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where NFL films is at. It's i think

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Speaker 4: whenever snow is falling. Yeah, the shot of Jamis going

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Speaker 1: and you talk with people and you say, hey, we

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Speaker 1: Let's see those stolen moments that you mentioned, Let's see

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Speaker 1: how the season plays out. What is the balance of

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Speaker 4: I think you use the best word right there as

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Speaker 4: just it is just a balance. Steve Staple used to

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Speaker 4: use this line all the time in regards of Hard Knocks,

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Speaker 4: which I loved, which was hard Knocks is trying to

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Speaker 4: So of course, going in, we know, hey, you've got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they have a guy that has been leading the

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Speaker 5: Of have some ideas of who could be featured.

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Speaker 4: But then all of a sudden, if coach Charball has

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Speaker 4: because that there's this great moment. What else can we

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Speaker 4: by being able to adjust.

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Speaker 3: That's very cool.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just curious kind of the mechanics behind everything.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's very neat. Well you mentioned the fasting.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it gave me an idea that Derrick Henry's crazy

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Speaker 1: All right, So, now let's take a look at the

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Speaker 1: film from the game against the Eagles. Not the most

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you're excited to look back at it.

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Speaker 1: This was not necessarily a game that you're fired up

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Speaker 1: to go back and look at, but we did go

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Speaker 1: through it.

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Speaker 5: And I think let's start.

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Speaker 1: The conversation in terms of the Ravens offense with the

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Speaker 1: offensive line, because I do from a big picture standpoint

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Speaker 1: when I look at this game, I think that the

453
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Speaker 1: Eagles won the line of scrimmage, particularly their defense.

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Speaker 5: They have really good defensive front.

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Speaker 1: They won that line of scrimmage, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: what caused the issues for the Ravens offense and didn't

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Speaker 1: allow them to really get gone.

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Speaker 5: What did you see?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot a lot traces back to

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Speaker 2: that for why the Ravens offense fizzled the way it did.

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Speaker 2: Just point blank, the Eagles have a very strong defensive

462
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Speaker 2: line and it overwhelmed the Ravens offensive line.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's not to say I think just.

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Speaker 2: A week ago, we were talking about how the Ravens

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Speaker 2: offensive line has become a strength of this team. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that this like completely erases all that, right,

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Speaker 2: like the it doesn't demolish the progress that the Ravens

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Speaker 2: have made on their offensive line. But they did not

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Speaker 2: have their best game. And and you know, the opponent

470
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Speaker 2: certainly plays a part in that. The Eagles are really good.

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Speaker 2: Jailing car Carter is a monster. I mean, the guy

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Speaker 2: played every snap but one. Yeah, what defensive tackle plays

473
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the snaps? Nobody, that's not heard of. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he was just dominating from start to finish. He

475
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Speaker 2: had eight pressures according to Pro Football Focus. And then

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Speaker 2: Milton Williams, another one of their big defensive tackles, he

477
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Speaker 2: had nine, nine pressures. Those two guys, by the way,

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Speaker 2: you look at PFF pass rush grades among interior defensive linemen,

479
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Speaker 2: they sit at number three and four, so they've been

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Speaker 2: good all year and they were good against the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: And then oh, by the way, they also have the

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Speaker 2: other Davis, Jordan Davis, the Haulkings defensive tackle that really

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Speaker 2: kind of bittled up the Ravens run game. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean the Ravens had some success running the ball,

485
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Speaker 2: they got a chunk player two, but for the most part,

486
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Speaker 2: Derreck Henry was run into a wall. And so the

487
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Speaker 2: biggest thing was really pass pro and that's been the Ravens'

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Speaker 2: strength this season for their offensive line has been their

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Speaker 2: pass protection. Lamar Jackson just was not comfortable back there

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Speaker 2: at all. And when you flip on the tape you

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Speaker 2: see why. I mean, they had a twenty five percent

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Speaker 2: pressure rate the Eagles did. They blitzed only thirteen percent

493
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Speaker 2: of the time. When they did blitz it jumped to sixties.

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Speaker 2: You know, two thirds of the time they got pressure

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Speaker 2: on Lamar Jackson when they blitzed. So he was under

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Speaker 2: durest and Jalen Carter, that guy's going to a Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to go.

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Speaker 1: To many Yeah, I mean he is the first pick.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Davis was also a first round picked. The Ravens

500
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Speaker 1: an't the a lot. The Eagles traded in front of

501
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Speaker 1: the Ravens back in that draft two years ago to

502
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Speaker 1: pick number thirteen to take Jordan Davis.

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Speaker 5: So he just gobbles up.

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Speaker 1: Blockers and then Jalen Carter is more of this spell

505
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Speaker 1: splash play guy so they really won the battle.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy the.

507
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Speaker 2: Eagles were able to get Jayalen Carter, who people are

508
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Speaker 2: talking about was supposed to be like the maybe the

509
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Speaker 2: number one overall pick. Yeah, he fell in the draft

510
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Speaker 2: because of endurance, stamina concerns. Well, the guy's playing one

511
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Speaker 2: hundred percent of snaps.

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Speaker 1: He also they was off the field, Yeah, definitely part

513
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Speaker 1: of accident. Ye.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And so that was a big part of the

515
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Speaker 5: conversation with him.

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Speaker 2: But there was like combine chatter about his staminas. Yeah, yeah,

517
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Speaker 2: guys play one hundredercent snaps.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a great player, super talented player. But anyway,

520
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Speaker 1: so where they really won the battle with was inside

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Speaker 1: because a lot of times you talk about pressure and

522
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Speaker 1: pass rushers, and we talked about the guys on the edge,

523
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Speaker 1: and it's like t J. Watt and Miles Garrett and

524
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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. They won up front, and it was in

525
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Speaker 1: the middle of the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: And that's the problem them really when for Lamar Jackson

527
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Speaker 2: when he can't step up.

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Speaker 3: That's also those running lanes aren't there.

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Speaker 2: I thought they also didn't like over commit to the

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Speaker 2: rush and create those lanes for Lamar Jackson's Lamar Jackson

531
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Speaker 2: to escape out of which we'll talk more about.

532
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Speaker 3: But I thought it was.

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Speaker 2: A discipline pass rush approach and smothering, you know what

534
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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 3: And so it was a big problem.

536
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Speaker 2: When l Maar Jackson has that much right up the middle,

537
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Speaker 2: it's tough.

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Speaker 1: And whenever the offensive line doesn't have a really good game,

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Speaker 1: it circles back to the narrative before the season, which

540
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Speaker 1: is replacing all these starters. It's like, we're through thirteen

541
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Speaker 1: games and then we still circle back to what we

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Speaker 1: were talking about back in July and August, with what's

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Speaker 1: this offensive line going to be?

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Speaker 5: Who the starters are going to be. It's all these new.

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Speaker 2: Starters reservices exactly.

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Speaker 1: And John Harbaugh was asked an element of that this week,

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Speaker 1: basically saying it's my week, you're looking at everything. Do

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Speaker 1: you plan to stick with this offensive line? And he said, yes,

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Speaker 1: the plan is to stick with this offensive line.

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Speaker 3: We're quote pretty well set there.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I'm not down on anybody on the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, we could have basically blocked better,

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Speaker 2: but quote, I don't think it merits any drastic changes

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: So I think the Raves are going to roll with

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Speaker 1: those five guys that they're going to continue to That's

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Speaker 1: my expectation that it's going to be the same five

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Speaker 1: starting offensive lineman and the Ravens are not making a

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Speaker 1: change at this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if they were, I agree, I think

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Speaker 2: that they certainly could keep rolling with those five. I

563
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Speaker 2: think that there's a chance that we could see Andrew

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Speaker 2: Voorhees back in the lineup. You know, Pat McCarey has

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Speaker 2: I think played well and admirably considering he's been a

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Speaker 2: full time starter pretty much the whole season. He was

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Speaker 2: rotating snaps a little bit with Roger Rosey gartin early on.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Pat's been a guy who we've talked

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Speaker 2: about previously just physically it's hard for him to play

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Speaker 2: every single snap, and he's done that, and like I

571
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Speaker 2: think the guy deserves a lot of credit for being

572
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Speaker 2: a tough player, but like you know, for he's won

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Speaker 2: that job out of training camp. He was the guy,

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Speaker 2: and then he went down with an injury and McKay

575
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Speaker 2: stepped in and this combination is pretty much has worked

576
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Speaker 2: really well. What's a drastic change. I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: gonna be replacing both their starting guards. We talked to

578
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Speaker 2: George Warhop today and he was very high on.

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Speaker 5: Defense, on the Ravens offensive line coach.

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Speaker 2: Correct the Ravens offensive line coach, and he was very

581
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Speaker 2: high on Daniel foul Le, talking about how he thinks

582
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Speaker 2: he's playing really well, that's a really bright future. I

583
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Speaker 2: don't I think Daniel Foulo la is going to remain

584
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Speaker 2: the starting right guard. I do wonder if there's a

585
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Speaker 2: possibility of a change left guard.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

587
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Speaker 2: They could keep rolling with Pat and or or it

588
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Speaker 2: wouldn't shock me afore he's came in and became the star.

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be surprised if they've made a change.

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Speaker 1: I just think that based on what John Harble said it.

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Speaker 1: And again we had this whole conversation on the film

592
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Speaker 1: review last week of hey, is the offensive line of

593
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Speaker 1: strength of this team? Not just getting the job done adequately,

594
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Speaker 1: but now they're a strength of the team. And so

595
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Speaker 1: you go up against the best defense and football with

596
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Speaker 1: one of the best defensive fronts of football, and you

597
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: have a tough game, and now you're shaking up the

598
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Speaker 1: offensive line.

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Speaker 5: I would be surprised if that's the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think that's all fair. Yeah, I think

601
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Speaker 2: that's all fair. I think that's just what's drastic. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: is one starter drastic?

603
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Speaker 3: Right? Two start? Does that turn in the drastic? I

604
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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 5: Fair fair, You gotta look through the details of that.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

607
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Speaker 1: So that another talking point coming out of this game

608
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Speaker 1: was whether Lamar Jackson should have taken off and run more.

609
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Speaker 1: And you made headlines after the game. He said he

610
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Speaker 1: talked to his mom right after the game. She cussed

611
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Speaker 1: him out for saying, you had opportunities to run, you

612
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Speaker 1: should have taken him and why.

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Speaker 5: Didn't you take some of those opportunities?

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Speaker 1: And Lamar felt that way, you know, immediately after the game,

615
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Speaker 1: after talking with his mom. So, in going back and

616
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Speaker 1: looking at the tape, what was your take on the

617
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Speaker 1: opportunities there that Lamar had or didn't have to take

618
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Speaker 1: off and run?

619
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean sure, I think there were a few instances

621
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Speaker 2: where okay, like he could.

622
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Speaker 3: Have run there. There were no there. I did not.

623
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Speaker 2: See any instances on the film where there was a

624
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Speaker 2: parting of the red sea. It was like, oh my gosh,

625
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: hands on the head, like, why did he not run there? Right?

626
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Speaker 3: There were maybe three or four where you're like all.

627
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Speaker 2: Right, Like, yeah, he could have run there, he would

628
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: have probably had to like juke a guy or make

629
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Speaker 2: a guy miss or something like that, which he is

630
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Speaker 2: certainly capable of doing. He's done it many times exactly.

631
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Speaker 2: But like, it wasn't like there was like no eyes

632
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Speaker 2: on him. The Eagles, I thought, almost always when I looked,

633
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Speaker 2: even at those instances, had a linebacker safety that had

634
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: eyes on Lamar Jackson and was near like the first

635
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: down marker that he would have needed.

636
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: To get to, right, So, like, that's tough.

637
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Speaker 2: So I didn't really see anything glaring in that regard.

638
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Speaker 2: And I'll say that more often than not. You know,

639
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: Lamar this year has not scrambled very much. Yeah, he's

640
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 2: been escaping the pocket with the intention of throwing, and

641
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 2: more often than not, that's been the right decision, and

642
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: he's made people pay it. And in this game when

643
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: he escaped and bought time, bought time and the protection

644
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: was really good, and you hit Mark Andrews for that

645
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: touchdown right that was outside the pocket. And so like

646
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Speaker 2: I think, generally speaking, you're always going to have times

647
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: every single game probably where he looks back and says, ah,

648
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: I could have done it. I could have run there,

649
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: I could have done this, I could have done that differently.

650
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 2: That's gonna be every single game, So I didn't think

651
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: that this was an outlier from that.

652
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's always tough because I think he's

653
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: been so good this year at extending plays and looking

654
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: downfield to throw the ball, and he's been awesome at that.

655
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Speaker 1: Like that market play, he's directing traffic and throws it,

656
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 1: throws a dot where only Mark could get it, And

657
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Speaker 1: part of that is just extending the play and then

658
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Speaker 1: not running. He could have taken off from run there,

659
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Speaker 1: but you wait to see a route develop, you make

660
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Speaker 1: a connection with your receiver you're directing and where to go,

661
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Speaker 1: and then also you hit the big play right exactly.

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Speaker 3: So I'd rather that. Like I think that he's made that.

663
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: Change from going to scrambling quicker to making plays with

664
00:28:59,120 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: his arm.

665
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: I think it's been a positive.

666
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 5: Uh huh, and I would like.

667
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: To see him continue to do that moving forward. I

668
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 2: actually there was actually one play where Lamar did end

669
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: up running early in the game where I thought he

670
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: could have thrown it today to say flowers late he

671
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: kind of say broke open and Lamar didn't throw it

672
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: and he just kind of kept it and we could

673
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: have gotten I don't think it was gonna be a

674
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: big play, but it would be more yards if had

675
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: he thrown it. And the two of them after the

676
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: play kind of connected and Lamar almost gave him a

677
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: slap on the helmet, like, yeah, I saw you late,

678
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: but yeah I could have hit you. But whatever, you know,

679
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: he decided to run, so like it goes both ways.

680
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: I think Lamar has done a really awesome job of

681
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: that so far this season, and I don't want him

682
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: to feel like I have to do it all, like

683
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: I gotta throw on the cape. I'm just when things

684
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: break down, it's all on me to make something happen

685
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: with my legs. I like that he's broken out and

686
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: been like, all right, let me see one of my

687
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: guys shakes.

688
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: Free and make a play that way.

689
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: I think that outside of just this game, I think

690
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: that as we get into these final four regular season

691
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: games and then into the playoffs, I do think him

692
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: taking off and running could become a larger piece of

693
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: the offense here.

694
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: I think that that that is I.

695
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: Think, especially as it gets colder and all that, Like

696
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: when you need, when you need seven yards and the

697
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: offense is kind of sluggish and you need just let's

698
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: extend the drive here and get a first.

699
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 5: I don't know.

700
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I maybe the cold runs, but I also

701
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: think this on the scrambles, I think there could be

702
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: a situations where he takes off and if he sees

703
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: a quick running line, let me just go get a

704
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: quick That's.

705
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: Not really that's obviously not plans, right, that's not part

706
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: of the play. You're just saying you think Lamar will

707
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: make that decision more often than the stretch.

708
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that this final stretch here the rest

709
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: of the season, I think that when you tally up

710
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: his runs compared to the average of the course of

711
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: this whole season, I think we're probably going to see

712
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: him run more per game. Whether that's called which could

713
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: be a component of it, or him just taking off.

714
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: I think he could do more of that because because

715
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: his mom said so, yeah, mama knows bests. I mean,

716
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: if we know one thing for sure is that Lamar

717
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: actually listens to his mom.

718
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's.

719
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: Been working out pretty well.

720
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: But I just think, like, I mean, that's a funny

721
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: element of this story, right, But like I think that

722
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: it just at a overall, I think that that the

723
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: Ravens are gonna do and Lamar is gonna do whatever

724
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: he needs to to win these games. And I agree

725
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: with you, it's not all on him, and I don't

726
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: want him to feel like I don't think the Ravens

727
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: want him to feel all right, man, you just got

728
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: to go make every single play and it's all on the.

729
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 5: Cape, right, You don't need to necessarily need to throw

730
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 5: on that cape.

731
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: But I do think that sometimes him getting a quick

732
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: seven yards is like that is unstoppable at times.

733
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 5: And so if you can do that, then then do it.

734
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: And what's funny? You know you say quick seven yards?

735
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: Lamar's kind of the way he's talked about scrambling now

736
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: is like I scrambled to score. Yeah, I don't scramble

737
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: to get seven yards anymore.

738
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: I don't do that anymore, right, right, And so that would.

739
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: That I agree with you because I think that his

740
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: mindset has changed. I think that like if he had

741
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: if he feels like here's a big play opportunity and

742
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: I can scramble and make that happen, he's gonna take that.

743
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that he's gonna just suddenly

744
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: start being like, now I'm gonna I'm just gonna take

745
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: the seven yards.

746
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see.

747
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: I think that like if he could wrap off rack

748
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: off some of those forty yard runs like he had

749
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: on the.

750
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 5: Last drive of the game.

751
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: Second to I thought he was gonna score on that.

752
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 5: He almost did.

753
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: We all first, I was like, okay, get down, get down,

754
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: like don't want her to get hit, And then.

755
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: Are you gonna score?

756
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 5: Like this is crazy?

757
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

758
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: And so that that was ridiculous play. Tem Martin actually

759
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: talked about that play a little bit this this week

760
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: today and he had some interesting perspective in just talking

761
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: about that that showed Lamar's mentality and no quit, never

762
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: say die attitude.

763
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

764
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fire burn is burning inside Lamar Jackson. I

765
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: mean it always has. He's an extremely competitive guy. But

766
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: I think that we saw a taste of it after

767
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: after the game. We both said we liked his postgame

768
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 2: press cards, like you saw how agitated he was and

769
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: frustrated by that loss, and I and that dude can't

770
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: wait to get back on the field, that's for sure.

771
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. That they basically said, like he.

772
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: Feel bad for the Giants, already.

773
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: Well.

774
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Lamar even said after the game, like, I wish we

775
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: didn't have this buy right now.

776
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: I would love.

777
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: To know what now, I won't take the buy this this.

778
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: Year if they if they could have uh you know

779
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: it brought everybody back into the stadium and just play

780
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: the game at eight o'clock reset for a kickoff.

781
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 5: Lamar like, yes, let's do that right now.

782
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: So just I look, the defensive line would be like no,

783
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: Lamar this year is carried eight and a half times

784
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: a game.

785
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 5: That's his average. I think that as we look at

786
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: the rest of the way, I think that that number

787
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 5: is going to be higher than that.

788
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: That's my question. Is that scheme they're scrambled.

789
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 5: I think that it could be a little bit of both.

790
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: But I think that, like when you're just looking at

791
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: the total, I think that he's going to run more

792
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: than that the rest of the way.

793
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: I do think that there could be more called runs,

794
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: could there be more scrambles, Sure, But I don't think

795
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: it's gonna be anything dressed.

796
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: I don't think. I just don't think that. Like I

797
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: think his mindset has changed.

798
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: He is looking to make big plays with his arm

799
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: when he's scrambling and don't I don't think that's really

800
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: gonna change.

801
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think when I say it's gonna

802
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: be more, I'm thinking more in like the ten to

803
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: twelve range. I'm not talking twenty to twenty fives. A

804
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: pretty good.

805
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: Backfield already, So moving on, I thought another thing that

806
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: stuck stuck out to me on the film was just

807
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: how good this Eagles rushing attack is. And it reminds

808
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 2: you so much of the Ravens, you know, The Ravens

809
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: defense kind of got a taste of what it's like

810
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: to go against the Ravens offense, you know, and what

811
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: other teams face.

812
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: And obviously the duo.

813
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: That Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry are, Jalen Hurts and

814
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley are pretty darn good duo too, and some

815
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: of their RPO stuff, like the pooling linemen, it just

816
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: looks a lot like what the Ravens do.

817
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: And the Eagles just hit some of that, you know.

818
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: And so I thought.

819
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: That mostly the Ravens did a pretty good job of

820
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: bottling them up and not letting Saquon get loose.

821
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: There were a few scram or a few.

822
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: Runs by Jalen Hurts, just designed, you know, eight nine

823
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: eleven yard runs that were that hurt. And then of

824
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: course the twenty five yard touchdown by Saquon that kind

825
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: of was the final dagger.

826
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that it is.

827
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: When I watched their offense, there's a lot of similar

828
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: principles that exist, and there's a reason why these are

829
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: the top two running teams in the league. Part of

830
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: it is personnel. They have two great running backs, but

831
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: part of it is a scheme and the quarterback and

832
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Great running backs, great great quarterbacks, and great scheme.

833
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: Yep.

834
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 5: So it's just really hard to stop.

835
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: And it also it felt like where the Ravens have

836
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: so many times over the course of this season with

837
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, you wear teams down and then he pops

838
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: the big run in the fourth quarter. I don't think

839
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: the Ravens defense got worn down, but what you did

840
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: see happened in that fourth quarter was Saquon Barkley came

841
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: up with a big play, they got the twenty five

842
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: yard game, and that kind of sealed the game.

843
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

844
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: And my last thing, speaking of that twenty five yard run,

845
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: is you go back and watch the Eagles three touchdowns

846
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: in this game and there were pretty big no calls

847
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: on all three of them. Obviously, Turning Roman pointed out

848
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 2: the tush push touchdown, the false start that was pretty

849
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: obvious when you go back and look at that, that

850
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: didn't get called. And I think the Eagles, like the

851
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: tushbush has been so successful that it's almost become a

852
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: thing where it's like assumed that it's going to be successful,

853
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 2: and they just, yeah, I think that's playing into the success.

854
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: At this point, I was up in the press box

855
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: just like, there's no way that got in. I thought they.

856
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't tell the fumble honestly from the

857
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: press box, but I knew that they stuffed it or

858
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: they stuffed it.

859
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, well he did ultimately get in.

860
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: He did.

861
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: He did ultimately get in out right, Like, I couldn't

862
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: see that around the pile. And that's part of the

863
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: problem with the That's why they can't see the false

864
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: starts too.

865
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: There's just this mayhem. So it's just a you just

866
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: can't see anything in there. All things go, you know,

867
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: and so.

868
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: And then also on the Saquon Barkley twenty five year

869
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: touchdown run, they're left tackle during my lot, I got

870
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: a running start, on that he started early. There's no

871
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: IF's answer butts about it. Now, that was the key

872
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: block on that play.

873
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 3: He pulled all the way across the line and picked

874
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: off Roquan Smith. He got a running start. Would Roquan

875
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: have made that play had he been a hair a

876
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: tick slower to make that pool block? Yeah, maybe, I

877
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: don't know. Saquan kind of got through a small crease there.

878
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: It was tight.

879
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: Uh. And so that was another one that was just missed.

880
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: And then and then on their first there it was

881
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: a fake run. It was a fake handoff throw out

882
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: into the flats to the tight end. Their offensive linemen

883
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: are blocking five yards down the field before that throw.

884
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we Pat McCarey sitting here getting dinged for

885
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: illegal man downfield like crazy.

886
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, a week ago it was.

887
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: It was definitely there on that one.

888
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: Not to mention, aj Brown was blocking ten yards down

889
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: the field before that balls caught. So you know, those

890
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: pick plays, none of them are like so egregious to

891
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh my gosh.

892
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, But the fact of the matter is they all happened.

893
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: If we're calling it to the letter law, those are

894
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: all three of those touchdowns are penalized. Do the Ravens

895
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: win the game? I don't know that's a stretch. But

896
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: they were big calls. They're big non calls.

897
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, bign calls. Would have been nice for their big calls.

898
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, would have been nice.

899
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 5: Yes, all right.

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00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: So lastly, before we conclude here, we didn't. I will

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00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: humbly read a couple of emails here, Oh, because we

902
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: did the Thanksgiving drafts last week and people have spoken

903
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: and it was not it was not a great showing

904
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: from me. Here's an email. Hey guys, Gary Kluger here

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00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: from California. Garrett, I gotta say, make totally smoked you

906
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: in Thanksgiving draft. If one of makes choices I had

907
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: been stick a fork in my eye, he still would

908
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: have smoked. Sorry, dude, be better next year. Another email

909
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: I would.

910
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 3: Never punish is that you got to stick a fork

911
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: in your eye next year.

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00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: I would never even think of emailing, but Garrett's picks

913
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: offended me as a fantasy drafter who would draft to

914
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: rake leaves, cook the turkey, and watch the Macy's Day parade?

915
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: Are you trying to punish your self? I appreciate the

916
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: podcast and the takes on the Ravens. McGear should not

917
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: be allowed to draft again without adult supervision.

918
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Speaker 5: Shaking my head.

919
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of the theme. Those are two

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00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: of them. And what I'll say, I'll take the l

921
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Speaker 1: on the draft. But what I'll really say here is

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00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I have a drafting problem. I think

923
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: I have a rock paper scissors problem because I found

924
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: myself I haven't won rock paper scissors on these drafts

925
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: in like years, and we need to do a better

926
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: job of stacking the draft so that if you don't

927
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: win rock paper scissors, then you're gonna just lose the draft.

928
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: Because by by losing rock paper scissors, I was gonna

929
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 1: inevitably end up without the ability to eat and having

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00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: to talk politics. It was like you were just getting

931
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: saddled with these bad options. So again, it's a rock

932
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: paper scissors problem, not a drafting problem.

933
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna get no, it was also a drafting

934
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: because you took the Macy's Day parade over napped. That

935
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: was a miss, and then he took Raking Leaves over

936
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: the another miss. So it's both you got I mean,

937
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: when you get smoked as bad as you got beat

938
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Speaker 2: in this it's a multi problem problem. When you break

939
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: down the tape. Okay, there's no easy solutions to your

940
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 2: problem in this strap. There are many problems.

941
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Speaker 5: We're going back.

942
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: It's the bye week. I'm going back to the drawing board,

943
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: and we're looking at everything. We're looking at everything, so

944
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: as always, you can email us the blounge or even

945
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: though NFL's net.

946
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for listening.

947
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: And it's the bye week, so this is a good

948
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Speaker 1: chance for everybody to take stock of where they stand.

949
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Speaker 5: And I'm gonna be working hard at that over of course,

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Speaker 5: in these next few days. Thanks for listening.