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Speaker 3: This is Girls Talk Boys Talk, presented by Jigsaw Dating,
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Speaker 3: from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts,
Speaker 3: Christie Scales, Aisha Morrison, Nicole Hutchison, and Jess Navarrees.
Speaker 4: Hey, what's up? Cowboys Nation?
Speaker 5: Welcome in a Girls Talk Boys Talk presentive by Jig Saw,
Speaker 5: the preferred dating partner of the Dallas Cowboys. I'm Nicole
Speaker 5: Hutcheson alongside Christy Scales here out here in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 5: We've got Jess Navarrees and Aisha Morrison in studio. I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm kind of trying not to disturb the offensive defensive line.
Speaker 5: They're literally doing yoga right next to us, and we
Speaker 5: don't want to disturb their peace.
Speaker 6: For now.
Speaker 5: We're gonna just keep it a little bit quiet for
Speaker 5: the guys they can lock in. But first things first, ladies,
Speaker 5: we did not get a chance to talk about Sam
Speaker 5: Williams and how big of a loss this is for
Speaker 5: the Dallas Cowboys so early in training camp. But the
Speaker 5: Cowboys have signed two new guys so far, agreed to
Speaker 5: terms with two new guys, al Kadeen Muhammet, who's a
Speaker 5: former Colts guy defensive end. And then you've got Shaka
Speaker 5: Tony who's with Washington. The Washington Commanders talking with you, Christy,
Speaker 5: I'll start with you, Christy, how much of a I
Speaker 5: guess what have you seen from those two guys and
Speaker 5: what can they bring to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, Mohammed is he'll be going into his seventh season.
Speaker 6: So in six seasons, mostly with the Indianapolis Colts, he's
Speaker 6: played in eighty four career games, has twelve career sacks
Speaker 6: for forced fumble.
Speaker 4: Thirty three quarterback hits.
Speaker 6: So his best season in Indianapolis was in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 6: where he started every game and had six sacks seven
Speaker 6: tackles for loss. So he's a guy with a lot
Speaker 6: more experience than Tony. Tony the past three seasons in Washington,
Speaker 6: but April, a year and a half ago, was suspended
Speaker 6: for the entire twenty twenty three season for betting on
Speaker 6: NFL games. So he's someone who was drafted by the
Speaker 6: Washington Commanders in the seventh round out of Penn State
Speaker 6: and twenty twenty one, but didn't get to play the
Speaker 6: third season with Washington last year because of that suspension.
Speaker 6: Muhammed also is a player whose career has been interrupted
Speaker 6: by suspensions. He's from University of Miami, but two of
Speaker 6: those seasons he didn't get to play because of suspensions.
Speaker 6: So basically what they're trying to do is just add
Speaker 6: depth the defensive end and have more bodies in as
Speaker 6: part of the rotation. And Nicole, when you mentioned the
Speaker 6: loss of Sam Williams, Mike Zimmer was among the three
Speaker 6: coordinators that spoke to the media today and Mike Zimmer
Speaker 6: was talking about the loss of Sam Williams and that
Speaker 6: they expected him to maybe get up to seventy percent
Speaker 6: of the defensive snaps last year and that is a
Speaker 6: lot as part of a rotation, So it's a big loss.
Speaker 6: John Fossil special teams coordinator, We remember how Sam Williams
Speaker 6: played gunner last year on punt team. They were going
Speaker 6: to be able to maybe use him not all the time,
Speaker 6: but situationally, you're not going to use a starter on
Speaker 6: defense in special teams the way that you used Sam
Speaker 6: before when he was the backup but they could have
Speaker 6: really used him with the new kickoff rules this year,
Speaker 6: using some bigger bodies on coverage.
Speaker 4: So it's a big blow.
Speaker 6: But Mohammed and Tony adding depth to the defensive end rotation.
Speaker 5: Before I throw to you, I used you real quick
Speaker 5: just for more of a scouting report as well. To
Speaker 5: add to that, I think that you know the fact
Speaker 5: that Sam Williams only played three hundred snaps last year
Speaker 5: defensive snaps and had two back to back forward plus
Speaker 5: sax seasons. I mean, he's a pass rusher that the
Speaker 5: Cowboys are desperately going to miss. But I mean this
Speaker 5: is a chance for maybe a guy like Marshaw Neeland.
Speaker 5: I know we'll get to that and what he's done
Speaker 5: so far through camp to really step up though, but
Speaker 5: I should.
Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna go ahead and throw to you.
Speaker 5: What's your thoughts on these two new editions for the
Speaker 5: to the Dallas coup was defensive line?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean both of these gentlemen are really
Speaker 7: long athletes, and I think there was a general consensus
Speaker 7: with both of them that you know, both of them
Speaker 7: have some traits in where they can play the run
Speaker 7: pretty well and they can also rush the passer, and
Speaker 7: I know with Muhammad and a little bit of the
Speaker 7: film that I was able to see from him, he
Speaker 7: does a good job of disengaging finding the ball.
Speaker 8: He has some pops, some explosiveness to this game.
Speaker 7: And when you Christy, you mentioned that Shaka Tony was
Speaker 7: going through this you know, suspension and some of the things,
Speaker 7: it sounds like that was a shock to Commanders fans.
Speaker 8: It sounds like it was a shock to the you
Speaker 8: know and the state that they were in.
Speaker 7: If you guys remember with the Commanders, they have been
Speaker 7: struggling finding those edges that they want to you know,
Speaker 7: solidify and just kind of doing some digging. It sounds
Speaker 7: like a lot of the people around the you know
Speaker 7: organization were kind of disappointed. They were looking forward to
Speaker 7: Shaka coming in. He is a seventh round pick, but
Speaker 7: he showed some good traits, some of that burst, some
Speaker 7: of the explosiveness. So I think the Cowboys, both of
Speaker 7: these gentlemen, are being brought in for some of their
Speaker 7: traits because you're trying to make up for the loss
Speaker 7: of Sam Williams and how explosive he is as well.
Speaker 7: So they're gonna get some run help there, some experience
Speaker 7: more experience with Mohammed as you talked about before. But yeah,
Speaker 7: both of these gentlemen kind of have something to prove
Speaker 7: too as well, you know, coming off these suspensions, trying
Speaker 7: to find their legs here, and we'll see how they
Speaker 7: fit into this system moving forward.
Speaker 9: Yeah, when I was doing some digging earlier on both
Speaker 9: of these guys, what I really noticed both of their
Speaker 9: emphasis and their game is is going more speed to
Speaker 9: power in passing situation. So I think that's obviously going
Speaker 9: to pan out very very well for what you're needing. Oh,
Speaker 9: you can't see me right now, but what I did
Speaker 9: notice about Shaka Tony is he's a secure tackler. So
Speaker 9: anytime you can get me a secure tackler, please do it. Dallas,
Speaker 9: thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah you did it.
Speaker 9: He's great in tackling. What I will say though, that
Speaker 9: I did notice he needs somewherek containing the edges.
Speaker 8: Yes, ma'am. He can get a little aggressive coming down.
Speaker 9: But but to be fair, I do think these D
Speaker 9: line coaches and Gregson and jeff'son Nina and and oh
Speaker 9: my goodness, I'm spacing Greg Greg.
Speaker 8: Wallis, thank you.
Speaker 9: I almost switched their names. And Greg Allis can really
Speaker 9: help contain that. But as far as Mohammed, what I
Speaker 9: did notice was speed to power definitely his biggest thing.
Speaker 9: Uh And then as far as something that caught my
Speaker 9: eye as he had four forced fumbles as well, So
Speaker 9: he is a real ballhawk and he will make sure
Speaker 9: uh to kind of cut down that ball when it
Speaker 9: is held. So pros to both of them, obviously, some
Speaker 9: of them are. Both of them need work in some
Speaker 9: areas of their game, but overall, great depth guys, great additions,
Speaker 9: especially in the loss of a guy like Sam who
Speaker 9: big body, powerful and overall just a guy that you
Speaker 9: expect a lot from this.
Speaker 7: And Nicole really quickly I wanted to add, you know
Speaker 7: another thing, Yeah, another thing as well. Both of them
Speaker 7: kind of fit the mold of a Zimmer end well,
Speaker 7: Zimmer is not a guy that really loves those smaller
Speaker 7: framed edges, you know, So them coming in uh shaka TONI,
Speaker 7: if I'm not mistaken, is what one two thirty eight
Speaker 7: and Muhammed is about two fifty. So they kind of
Speaker 7: fit that mold of that bigger edge that still has
Speaker 7: some physicality to them and can play with power back,
Speaker 7: but can do some things with speed as well. So
Speaker 7: I understand why they decided to go with these gentlemen
Speaker 7: some upside in both of them.
Speaker 9: I also sorry, Nicole, I know we're trying to bounce
Speaker 9: back to you, but go ahead. I wanted to mention
Speaker 9: what I noticed in watching practice back the past couple
Speaker 9: of two padded practices is uh de La getting obviously
Speaker 9: a lot more work with Sam out, So I think
Speaker 9: having these guys come in is going to preserve him
Speaker 9: a little bit more too, because having a guy like
Speaker 9: Di Law, who would normally be taking a little bit
Speaker 9: more of better and rest because it's d Law, he
Speaker 9: doesn't have that stress on his body right now during camp.
Speaker 9: So to me, that's also a plus of bringing these
Speaker 9: guys in right now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I love to hear that. I love to hear that.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 5: Also with talking about Mohammed just for a brief minute,
Speaker 5: I know Christy kind of hit on this, but that's
Speaker 5: another veteran guy that you're getting on this defensive line.
Speaker 8: Right because you really have what d Law right now
Speaker 8: you have.
Speaker 5: Micah's not really necessarily i'd say a veteran, but he
Speaker 5: knows the system. He knows he's been here with the Cowboys,
Speaker 5: So I mean you're getting guy Mohammed that's been in
Speaker 5: the league since twenty seventeen, so you're getting a guy
Speaker 5: who obviously knows a lot of different things that can
Speaker 5: help with these younger guys on that defensive line. But
Speaker 5: talking about those younger guys and switching gears, Christy, y'all
Speaker 5: start with you, what have you seen so far from
Speaker 5: Marshawn Neland because he has absolutely stepped in and just
Speaker 5: kind of taken a really big step in just what
Speaker 5: a week we've been here and.
Speaker 6: On Star benefiting greatly just from getting reps with a
Speaker 6: the first team after Sam went down.
Speaker 4: So not that there's.
Speaker 6: Any good news when you lose such a guy who's
Speaker 6: going to be a value would have been a valuable
Speaker 6: player this year, like Sam Williams, but with that happening
Speaker 6: so early in camp, that's more for Neelan. Also, it's
Speaker 6: interesting I mentioned John Fossil before talking about missing Sam Williams.
Speaker 6: You know he was looking at using Marshawn Neelan possibly
Speaker 6: on some kickoff coverage, a bigger body like that. But
Speaker 6: now that Sam Williams is gone and Marshaw Neelan's going
Speaker 6: to play, you know, a lot more defense than John
Speaker 6: Fossil points out that it's really like losing two guys
Speaker 6: instead of just one, the domino effect of Sam Williams injury,
Speaker 6: and if I can move to defensive tackle for just
Speaker 6: a moment, because you ask about young guys. Mike Zimmer
Speaker 6: brought this up during his press conference today, And trust
Speaker 6: me when I say that, with Mike Zimmer, if you
Speaker 6: earn a if you get a compliment from Zimmer, you
Speaker 6: have earned it. He is not a guy that tosses
Speaker 6: out verbal bouquets just to do it. But he was
Speaker 6: singing the praises of Mozzie Smith and you know, talking
Speaker 6: about how diligent he is, and I just want to
Speaker 6: follow up just from my notes, he says, regardless of
Speaker 6: what I've heard coming in, you know, he's doing the
Speaker 6: doing the hard things, taking on the double teams, his
Speaker 6: hands are in the right place, he knows where he's
Speaker 6: supposed to be. And in regards to the run game,
Speaker 6: I've been impressed. So when Mike Zimmer says he's been
Speaker 6: impressed by somebody, I would say that Mozzie Smith has
Speaker 6: earned that. So for everyone who's down on Mozzie, I
Speaker 6: just want to let you know that the defensive coordinator,
Speaker 6: has noted the progress that he's made through this first
Speaker 6: week of camp.
Speaker 5: Christy to bounce off your thoughts on Sean Elyn, I
Speaker 5: know ye're kind of switch gears a little bit, but
Speaker 5: what's your thoughts on my Shaan Elen?
Speaker 8: So yeah, I actually know you're fine.
Speaker 7: I actually went back to my draft knows just to
Speaker 7: kind of look look at some of the things I
Speaker 7: thought about him, and you know, he's just so fast
Speaker 7: off the ball, and that's something that's stands out to you.
Speaker 7: But really with him is his is the hand fighting
Speaker 7: and some of the stuff he can do disengaging a
Speaker 7: stopping the run, he is going to have to. He
Speaker 7: is in a place to where he's developing more pass
Speaker 7: rush ability and some and some things in that regard,
Speaker 7: but just as far as getting a feel for the
Speaker 7: run game. Obviously this is a young guy, so he
Speaker 7: also too, is going to continue to develop playing with
Speaker 7: more power and dealing with you know, shedding and tackling.
Speaker 7: But for the most part, it sounds like listening to
Speaker 7: the coaches, he's retained the information very quickly. He's taking
Speaker 7: his off season seriously and getting in the playbook and
Speaker 7: figuring things out and they are still looking for an
Speaker 7: edge opposite of Tank Lawrence to stop this run consistently.
Speaker 7: So to see him kind of fitting in where he's
Speaker 7: fitting in, and they are asking a lot of him
Speaker 7: now to your point, you know, with the Sam of
Speaker 7: with the loss of Sam Williams. So for me, it's
Speaker 7: just what stands out more than anything right now for
Speaker 7: him is the size, because he is a big dude.
Speaker 7: He's real big dude, six three two seventy five. But
Speaker 7: the way that he's getting off the ball, that's going
Speaker 7: to pay dividends to him as he continues to become
Speaker 7: a better run defender and a better pass rusher as well.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I've been pleased with him so far, ladies. Cool,
Speaker 7: just what you got.
Speaker 9: Oh I was going to bounce back from Christie's comments
Speaker 9: about Mazzi. Sorry, that's go for it, go for it,
Speaker 9: go for Oh you're good, I'm Christy. To your point,
Speaker 9: I'm not shocked the ZIM is praising Mazzi because the
Speaker 9: conversation him and I had, you know, right before the
Speaker 9: end of OTAs. Mazzi was sick and tired of people
Speaker 9: saying he was just down bad. He was sick of
Speaker 9: hearing it, he was sick of people asking like, are
Speaker 9: you okay?
Speaker 4: Are you okay?
Speaker 9: It's like, I'm fine, I'm just one, I have to
Speaker 9: get over this injury, and two like I can only
Speaker 9: put on weight so quickly in the right way. And
Speaker 9: that's something that I really want to emphasize, is that
Speaker 9: Mazzi's putting on that weight in the correct way. He's
Speaker 9: not doing it, you know, in the wrong way. So
Speaker 9: for me, guy like Mazzi, who it kind of reminds
Speaker 9: me of Jalen Tolber a little bit in the sense
Speaker 9: of kind of had to be broken down, stripped down
Speaker 9: all the way your rookie season to be built back up.
Speaker 9: That's kind of the progression I'm seeing. And funny enough,
Speaker 9: they're actually locker buddies, so they're lockers right next to
Speaker 9: each other, and Jalen Tolber, of all people, has been
Speaker 9: kind of helping Mozzi. It sounds like build that confidence in,
Speaker 9: you know, having that first down year, like being really
Speaker 9: down on yourself and not understanding, you know, things as
Speaker 9: much as you thought you would your first year in
Speaker 9: the league. And so I thought that was just such
Speaker 9: an interesting little tidbit because you hear about you know
Speaker 9: your locker room leaders, and you hear about your position
Speaker 9: group leaders. But to see kind of that cross team
Speaker 9: collaboration and leadership from a guy like Jalen Tolbert to
Speaker 9: help Mozzi build that confidence back up, it's really cool
Speaker 9: to see. And so I'm not shocked that Mazzi is
Speaker 9: working his tail off to come back, because all it
Speaker 9: took was him getting over that injury to kind of
Speaker 9: start ramping things back up for himself.
Speaker 8: I've got a question, lady.
Speaker 5: We're obviously seeing such good things from Mazie so far,
Speaker 5: and I know that it's just training camp. You want
Speaker 5: to see it in live game reps how well he
Speaker 5: can really do. But let's just say, do y'all see
Speaker 5: Ozua and Mazzie Smith being potentially the best in tier
Speaker 5: defensive interier in the league.
Speaker 8: I know you, I just want to want to know, don't.
Speaker 6: I think Jonathan Allen and Deron Payne may have something.
Speaker 6: You know, they've been they've been, uh, you know, kind
Speaker 6: of setting a standard the previous years.
Speaker 4: But I think that OsO Diggi Zua is the most
Speaker 4: underappreciated player on the defense.
Speaker 6: I would argue that, and to say that the two
Speaker 6: of them can be one of the tops in the league.
Speaker 4: I think Osa is going to have a breakout season.
Speaker 4: He was so good last year.
Speaker 6: He just hasn't gotten the nationally tension yet, but I
Speaker 6: think that's coming well. Of course it's dependent on the
Speaker 6: success of the team in the playoffs, of course, but nationally.
Speaker 4: But you know, with Mazzie, he just has to prove it.
Speaker 4: And just what you.
Speaker 6: Said, I think is spot on, and it has to
Speaker 6: do with maturity, It has to do with confidence. And
Speaker 6: I think that people don't appreciate how much of this
Speaker 6: game is mental in the NFL, and I just just
Speaker 6: mean the mental part of learning the playbook and all that,
Speaker 6: but just self confidence. And you know, you go from
Speaker 6: being the big fish on campus, the big guy on campus,
Speaker 6: and then you're the small fish in the bigger pond
Speaker 6: and you're learning new systems, you're being utilized a different
Speaker 6: way than you were in college. It's a lot to
Speaker 6: do and it's a real mental grind. And so you know,
Speaker 6: that's why coaches talk about the big leap into year
Speaker 6: two and hopefully Mazie's able to make that leap this year.
Speaker 7: Can I interject here with the Massie conversation. Yep, Okay,
Speaker 7: I'm listening. So Christy mentioned the confidence and things like
Speaker 7: that and stealing fence into the players. I think that's
Speaker 7: a lot of why Zim came out and said what
Speaker 7: he said today is that you don't They're aware of
Speaker 7: the conversations.
Speaker 8: They're aware of people questioning whether he's ready to go.
Speaker 8: I'm listening.
Speaker 7: My job here is to talk about the film, and
Speaker 7: what I see, and from what I've seen on film
Speaker 7: is that there's still some issues with the get The
Speaker 7: get off has gotten better, and that's and I credit
Speaker 7: Zanino on that he has been so adamant with him
Speaker 7: from what I know off to the sides, working with
Speaker 7: him trying to get that get off right. But I
Speaker 7: do think that there still is some issues with him
Speaker 7: finding his anchor and dropping that ass and making sure
Speaker 7: that people aren't pushing them off his spot and being
Speaker 7: square and also too when they're doing some listen, hey, listen,
Speaker 7: draft talk is here. So but but when you know,
Speaker 7: sometimes when they are double teaming him, he's getting pushed,
Speaker 7: he's getting flowed out of these plays. We need him
Speaker 7: to stay firm and to be able to disengage and
Speaker 7: go find the tackler and then you guys mentioned.
Speaker 8: Oh so Diggizua.
Speaker 7: One of the reasons why also Gazula to me has
Speaker 7: not seen his full potential is the issues at de
Speaker 7: tackle at one tech, which is that the guy that
Speaker 7: lines up over the center because oh soo the Gizula
Speaker 7: is a three tech.
Speaker 8: He is a pass, rushy, get up field type guy.
Speaker 7: He's not someone that should be holding double teams forever setting.
Speaker 8: Up other guys.
Speaker 7: Other people should be setting up for him. So getting
Speaker 7: a one tech in here that is going to really
Speaker 7: seriously hold down that forward or if if it's not Mazi,
Speaker 7: whoever it is, I've heard, I've seen some good.
Speaker 8: Things from Justin Rogers.
Speaker 7: To be honest, I just wanted to comment, like, I
Speaker 7: understand that we're behind the player, but I can't. I
Speaker 7: can't sit up here and say that I'm seeing this
Speaker 7: consistency on film because I'm not now either flashes.
Speaker 8: Sure, but you're looking for.
Speaker 7: A little bit more from him moving forward, and he
Speaker 7: is coming back from an injury, and I understand, but
Speaker 7: I just I wanted to temper things personally with myself.
Speaker 8: Do you feel tempered now?
Speaker 6: I feel tempered and rooting for him and the other
Speaker 6: thing is you mentioned you mentioned.
Speaker 4: The past, you know with Mazie.
Speaker 6: And the one thing that Zim did say today is
Speaker 6: don't you know he's not a speed rusher up the middle.
Speaker 4: That's not his game.
Speaker 6: He needs to keep working on the power rush up
Speaker 6: the middle. But you know, I'll be happy with let's
Speaker 6: just see some consistent run stopping.
Speaker 8: That's what we're looking for.
Speaker 6: It, like you say, dropping and controlling the gap. And
Speaker 6: then you know, like that, let's let's let's concentrate on that.
Speaker 8: Jess, you got something. Oh no, I thought we're getting
Speaker 8: ready to cut the break.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: I just want to make sure I hit everybody.
Speaker 4: No, you're good, didn't break up.
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Speaker 5: little breakdown of the new kickoff rule and kickoff changes
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Speaker 6: is still going to be at the thirty five yard
Speaker 6: line on his side of the field. Everybody else will
Speaker 6: be on the other side of the field, and so
Speaker 6: you're going to have ten coverage men at the forty
Speaker 6: and then the blockers are going to be there at
Speaker 6: the thirty five, so there's only five yards between the two.
Speaker 6: So once the ball is kicked off, you're going to
Speaker 6: have either one or two, most likely two returners deep
Speaker 6: and the ball must land between.
Speaker 4: The end zone. You can't go into the end zone.
Speaker 6: It's a touch back to the thirty yard line between
Speaker 6: that and the twenty yard line, so between the goal
Speaker 6: line and the twenty yard line, and if it doesn't
Speaker 6: land within that area, then it's either going to be
Speaker 6: at the thirty yard line or the forty yard line.
Speaker 6: So it's very punitive if you don't kick the ball
Speaker 6: to where the returners can return it. But what they're
Speaker 6: trying to do is limit the downfield collisions running from
Speaker 6: your own thirty five yard line and engaging blockers on
Speaker 6: that side of the field. Now there's only a five
Speaker 6: yard difference between the blockers and the guys coming down
Speaker 6: to make the tackle, so it's a lot more close combat,
Speaker 6: so to speak. And it's interesting because coach Fossil says,
Speaker 6: even after preseason games, you're not gonna have much of
Speaker 6: a beat on what to expect in the regular season
Speaker 6: because in preseason, nobody wants to give away anything that's
Speaker 6: gonna be done in the regular season. In the same breath,
Speaker 6: I say, I can't wait to see the Hall of
Speaker 6: Fame game tonight, and I can't wait to watch as
Speaker 6: many preseason games as possible because I just want to
Speaker 6: see what it's it's gonna look like. But I'm very intrigued. Aisha,
Speaker 6: what do you think. Do you think this is a
Speaker 6: positive overall?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you've talked to us about the opportunity.
Speaker 7: You know, special teams gives guys opportunity to show what
Speaker 7: they can do, and it gives them opportunity to get
Speaker 7: on the field. But Christy, if I'm not mistaken, you
Speaker 7: did tell us that something with the lineup is gonna
Speaker 7: give some of these bigger guys some opportunity. I think
Speaker 7: that's why Sam was out there. Can you explain that
Speaker 7: to us a little bit, because you mentioned that the
Speaker 7: way that they're lining up, now, maybe you don't you
Speaker 7: have the freedom to have a bigger, physical guy out
Speaker 7: there on coverage as opposed to it being predominantly corners
Speaker 7: and linebackers.
Speaker 4: Did you say that now? Absolutely right.
Speaker 6: So you have the kicker at the thirty five yard line,
Speaker 6: and so in the past, all of your the attend
Speaker 6: coverage guys would be on that same thirty five yard line.
Speaker 6: Now they're on the other forty yard line, so instead
Speaker 6: of having to run that far, they're already down there,
Speaker 6: so the speed is not as big of an issue,
Speaker 6: and so you're gonna have.
Speaker 4: You can have some bigger bodies.
Speaker 6: Sam Williams was an anomaly, right to have a big
Speaker 6: defensive end and a powerful guy like that that could
Speaker 6: run like that on Now he was punt coverage, but
Speaker 6: you have to worry less about that.
Speaker 4: But it could change things on the back end.
Speaker 6: Do you need to go with bigger guys as blockers,
Speaker 6: if you go with shorter guys smaller guys. One of
Speaker 6: the things that coach Fossil was talking about today is
Speaker 6: if it's a smaller guy going against a bigger man,
Speaker 6: then you know you would want to be right up
Speaker 6: at the thirty five yard line and engage him at
Speaker 6: the thirty five and not take a few steps back
Speaker 6: and give that guy a three or four or five
Speaker 6: yard head start. You want to get up right on
Speaker 6: him right because if he gets a head start, he
Speaker 6: might truck you. So it's it's very very interesting, and
Speaker 6: there are some other things that we picked up on
Speaker 6: today from Coach Fossil.
Speaker 4: I'll give an example.
Speaker 6: If let's say there are windy conditions and the ball
Speaker 6: is going to blow off the tee, well you would
Speaker 6: get one of your coverage guys to come and help hold.
Speaker 4: The ball, right.
Speaker 6: Well, you're not going to do that when those guys
Speaker 6: are team twenty five yards down field. So the league
Speaker 6: is allowing for a twelfth man to come onto the
Speaker 6: field to hold the ball, to put his finger on
Speaker 6: top of the ball on top of the tee so
Speaker 6: it doesn't blow over. But as soon as the ball
Speaker 6: is kicked, he has to run off the field. Oh wow, So,
Speaker 6: like coach Fossil said, you could have Zach Martin, all
Speaker 6: three hundred pounds of him do it as long as
Speaker 6: he and off the field. The other thing is the
Speaker 6: other thing is the only people that can be moving
Speaker 6: until the ball is caught as the ball is fielded
Speaker 6: or the ball lands are the two returners. They can
Speaker 6: be moving back and forth. I think the best example
Speaker 6: is Cavante Turpin, I think inarguably is the top return
Speaker 6: man for the Cowboys. If he's lined up on the
Speaker 6: right side, is the other team gonna kick the ball
Speaker 6: to him? Are they gonna try and kick it to
Speaker 6: the other side? They'll probably try and kick it to
Speaker 6: the other side. If you were playing that, you know,
Speaker 6: you wouldn't kick it to Cordero Patterson. You'd kick it
Speaker 6: away from him, right, he's one of.
Speaker 4: The top return guys.
Speaker 6: Well, the two return guys can move before the kick,
Speaker 6: so they can switch sides. They can flip flop if
Speaker 6: they want so. There are a lot of really small
Speaker 6: details in this new kickoff rule that everyone's you know,
Speaker 6: you try and figure it out before it happened, But
Speaker 6: once things happened. There are always unintended consequences, so it's
Speaker 6: going to be interesting to see as things go along
Speaker 6: what changes. It would be little nuances, not huge things
Speaker 6: that they changed, but little unintended consequences that have to
Speaker 6: be addressed as a season goes along.
Speaker 5: And I think it's also going to be very interesting
Speaker 5: with Brandon Aubrey and Brian Anger just as far as
Speaker 5: having to kick the ball in that landing zone and
Speaker 5: kind of Coach Fossil was just talking about how you know,
Speaker 5: the hangtime will be critical with their kicks, so I
Speaker 5: think that's something that will also be interesting as well.
Speaker 5: But Christy, I've also got to ask you about the
Speaker 5: way that Coach Fossil was kind of breaking it down,
Speaker 5: was that like, if you want two returners obviously eleven
Speaker 5: people on the field, two returners or one returner, or
Speaker 5: have an extra blocker as using a ten man front
Speaker 5: or a nine man front.
Speaker 4: Which would you feel.
Speaker 5: I guess the Cowboys could benefit more from either the
Speaker 5: nine man front or the tin man in front as
Speaker 5: far in terms of.
Speaker 6: Block I think teams are going to go with a
Speaker 6: nine man front out of necessity just because a single
Speaker 6: return man in the middle of the field. Kickoffs are
Speaker 6: not going to be like you know, They're going to
Speaker 6: be kind of some more line drive and a little
Speaker 6: it's going to be more directional, and so instead of
Speaker 6: like high pop ups where you can get over to
Speaker 6: a side of the field and field it. I think
Speaker 6: that's going to be more difficult than in the past.
Speaker 6: So I think by necessity, you're you're probably going to
Speaker 6: end up with two returners just by default and one
Speaker 6: other thing on the returns. You know, before with the
Speaker 6: league rule changes, they were trying to make the game safer.
Speaker 6: So one of the things over the last several years,
Speaker 6: you know that if a ball were in the air
Speaker 6: and if it touched, if the ball touched down in
Speaker 6: the end zone, the ball was dead and it was
Speaker 6: a touch back and it went to the twenty five
Speaker 6: yard line. Right, So Cavante turpins in the middle of
Speaker 6: the field and the ball over to one side, it
Speaker 6: hits the ground in the end zone, ball is dead,
Speaker 6: touched back to the twenty five yard line. Now, if
Speaker 6: the ball touches in the end zone, you've got to
Speaker 6: field it, or it if it in the landing zone,
Speaker 6: you got to field it, or it's a live ball right,
Speaker 6: so you got to get on it. So there's some
Speaker 6: small things like that that are going to be really,
Speaker 6: really really interesting. And when I say in the landing
Speaker 6: zone the kickoff had it needs to, that would be
Speaker 6: like the twenty and the goal line. If the ball
Speaker 6: doesn't make it to the twenty yard line, the ball
Speaker 6: is going to be spotted at the forty. The offense
Speaker 6: is going to get the ball at their own forty
Speaker 6: yard line, so it's base. So it's the same thing
Speaker 6: as if there were an illegal kickoff, which in the
Speaker 6: past would be if you kick the ball and it
Speaker 6: went out a bounce before it got to the end zone,
Speaker 6: it would be you know, a penalty, and the ball
Speaker 6: would go.
Speaker 4: At the forty. That's the rule.
Speaker 6: If it doesn't make it to the twenty, if it's
Speaker 6: touched or goes out of balance before it gets to
Speaker 6: the twenty, the paul is going to be at the forties.
Speaker 4: So that's that's very punitive.
Speaker 9: Christy, I have a question for Atty.
Speaker 5: Fun to watch that and get a first little look
Speaker 5: at that. In today's game, actually the Texans and the Bears, that.
Speaker 8: Game starts at five o'clock our time, So what's that like?
Speaker 8: Seven o'clock.
Speaker 5: I'm still trying to get you ye time of zone adjustments,
Speaker 5: but that is today, So make sure to look out
Speaker 5: for the Special Team's new kickoff rule and everything like
Speaker 5: that today in today's game. But we go a lot
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Speaker 4: I got a good one for this one.
Speaker 8: Y'all.
Speaker 5: Teamwork, teamwork will make the dream work here for the
Speaker 5: Cowboys running back room because we are running back by
Speaker 5: committee this year.
Speaker 9: I'm walking out.
Speaker 8: We're trying off work.
Speaker 5: I was trying. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but no, ladies,
Speaker 5: this running back room obviously has been the talk, and
Speaker 5: you're gonna run back betting into training camp.
Speaker 8: Nope, that's all right for effort for both of us.
Speaker 5: I know, but no, the running back room has always
Speaker 5: been obviously been the talk of the off season and
Speaker 5: heading into training camp. Who will take a bulk of
Speaker 5: the reps?
Speaker 12: Who will?
Speaker 5: I mean? Is it a running back by committee approach?
Speaker 4: So many questions.
Speaker 5: But in terms of Malik, Davis is a guy who
Speaker 5: has really started to become the talk of training camp,
Speaker 5: just with the way that he's become a little bit
Speaker 5: more explosive this year or in the past couple of weeks. Christy,
Speaker 5: I'll start from you with you. I'm sorry, I I'll
Speaker 5: start with you this time, my bad. Let me switch
Speaker 5: it up. What have you seen from him as far
Speaker 5: as the practice film? I know he's been taking a
Speaker 5: bulk of some of the first team wrestle. He's really
Speaker 5: been running with the twos, getting a good mix there.
Speaker 5: But what have you liked so far from Elik Davis?
Speaker 7: I mean, well, first it starts with this offensive line.
Speaker 7: Listen the Tyler Smith and Zach Martin combo and the
Speaker 7: way that they're in brack Hoffman getting in there. They're
Speaker 7: doing some pulling and know some penning, and he you know,
Speaker 7: Malik has the ability to see it and go. You know,
Speaker 7: some guys have a little bit of hesitancy, but he
Speaker 7: has the ability to see it, put.
Speaker 8: His foot in the ground and drive.
Speaker 7: And so that's mostly what I've seen from him is
Speaker 7: he's just he's a little bit more decisive in his
Speaker 7: play right now. But also too, I think that's indicative
Speaker 7: of the fact that he's been here. These guys, this
Speaker 7: is not an installment year.
Speaker 8: This is we know what we're supposed to do.
Speaker 7: This is Mike McCarthy's offense, and they're able to come
Speaker 7: in and I think that's why we're seeing guys on
Speaker 7: both sides.
Speaker 8: Of the ball just play faster this year.
Speaker 7: And there's a lot of competition, which brings me to
Speaker 7: my last point.
Speaker 8: But it's so many running backs in this room right now.
Speaker 8: You better be every.
Speaker 7: Time you touch the ball making somebody say your name,
Speaker 7: because there's no And that's what I was gonna tell you, guys,
Speaker 7: Like listen, I know, I I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't know if we're supposed to say that, but
Speaker 8: like I don't know.
Speaker 7: The only person on this running back roster that I
Speaker 7: think is sewn up is Hunter Lifkey, and baby, he
Speaker 7: ain't even a running back because there's just so many
Speaker 7: every day we're talking about a different guy. Like he
Speaker 7: talked to someone you might hear Royce Freeman's name, who
Speaker 7: may have opportunity on special teams.
Speaker 8: Leak Davis. You guys have said good things about him.
Speaker 7: Nathaniel Pete looks like he has some stoutness to his game.
Speaker 8: Execuel Elliott is here. We know he's a veteran.
Speaker 7: And then Rico Daddo is in the system and he
Speaker 7: might be the all around best all around back you ever,
Speaker 7: right now, it's just there's no certainty and so yeah,
Speaker 7: like with Malik Davis, he's been on this roster for
Speaker 7: a while, it's time for him to, you know, to
Speaker 7: show up. And so I'm not surprised that there's an
Speaker 7: urgency to his game and you kind of see that in.
Speaker 8: His play through these first week or so of training camp.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think for a guy like Malik who spent
Speaker 9: last year on the practice squad, he knows that this
Speaker 9: is his make or break moment. This is your chance
Speaker 9: to either excel off of that practice squad spot or
Speaker 9: you might not be here if at all, because of
Speaker 9: how stack this running back room is. One thing I
Speaker 9: will say about Malik specifically, is that Mike McCarthy really
Speaker 9: praises Malik and you heard that multiple times last year
Speaker 9: or when he was elevated from the practice squad. Even
Speaker 9: you go back to last training camp, he was talking
Speaker 9: about Malik Davis and how difficult of a decision it
Speaker 9: was to decide. Keep in mind, you were going back
Speaker 9: and forth between Malik Davis and Rico Dawbell last year,
Speaker 9: so his name has always been in the conversation. It's
Speaker 9: just this is a year where I think it's stacked
Speaker 9: with one, two too many guys, and if you're Malik Davis,
Speaker 9: you know it's either now or you're risking getting cut
Speaker 9: at this point, because it's just not only is a
Speaker 9: running backroom stacked, you have to look at kind of
Speaker 9: the picture as a whole. And Kyle Humans and I
Speaker 9: were talking about this yesterday in fact, is okay, so
Speaker 9: you can take two or three running backs, that's going
Speaker 9: to affect how many tight ends you can take vice versa,
Speaker 9: how many wide receivers do you want to take? Are
Speaker 9: you going to count Hunter Lipkey as more of like
Speaker 9: a blocking guy, which would then in fourth take away
Speaker 9: from a tight end spot? Like what are what are
Speaker 9: the what the math is not mathing just yet, and
Speaker 9: it can't right you only seen you've only seen two,
Speaker 9: he added practices. But to answer your question about Malik Davis,
Speaker 9: he should be playing that way. He's been around, he
Speaker 9: knows what he's doing. The guys respect him. The guys
Speaker 9: in the room, I mean Rico Dawdell and him are
Speaker 9: great friends. Rico sought advice from him last year. I
Speaker 9: know that for a fact. But overall, I mean, you
Speaker 9: go down. It's running back room. I mean, flip this
Speaker 9: paper over because I cannot read upside down, and you
Speaker 9: long it is, you go down. Let's see Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 9: It's it's hard to say he's not a lock on
Speaker 9: the roster. Let's be real like, let's call it what
Speaker 9: it is though, which is it's hard to say he's not.
Speaker 9: Ric o'dowdell I think went into this camp being essentially
Speaker 9: your your one, you're running back one, right, So he
Speaker 9: has to earn that though. He has to prove that
Speaker 9: that's what he is. Royce Freeman, you hear how stout
Speaker 9: he is and what a big body he can add.
Speaker 9: You even have we went over Malik Hunter.
Speaker 8: Look douce Vaughan.
Speaker 9: Let's not forget this. This whole thing that will shake
Speaker 9: everything up with duce Vaughan is the special teams role
Speaker 9: we were just talking about. Could be the reason that
Speaker 9: duce Vaughan locks the spot on the roster on the
Speaker 9: roster because you need him as that second returner next
Speaker 9: to uh Cavante Turpin. If he earns that spot, which
Speaker 9: in turn, does that take away from another running back?
Speaker 9: Does that take away from the tight ends? Does that
Speaker 9: take away from a receiver on your final roster? So
Speaker 9: one thing is for sure, you don't know yet. I
Speaker 9: think your running back room is literally going to come
Speaker 9: down to the last preseason game to decide who takes it.
Speaker 7: You mentioned duce Vaughan really quickly, Nicole, you missed duce Vaughn.
Speaker 7: And we heard Mike McCarthy mention that they're trying to
Speaker 7: do some things with him in the slot and they're
Speaker 7: trying to do some things with him in the backfield.
Speaker 8: Now, listen, that is a part of part of duce Vaughan's.
Speaker 7: Game that I thought was very like slept under when
Speaker 7: he came out came out of Kent State, penns Kent
Speaker 7: State where yeah, Candas state, Yeah, when he came out
Speaker 7: of there, they were doing some things him in the slot.
Speaker 7: We've seen in OTAs, I've seen it in mini camp,
Speaker 7: like some of the things they were doing with him
Speaker 7: were more receiving things.
Speaker 8: I think we also could look at a possibility.
Speaker 7: Too, and it sounds like you ladies can tell me
Speaker 7: Cavante Turpin has been doing some things out the backfield
Speaker 7: and stuff as well. This team also might look at
Speaker 7: this I don't know, pack of skittles of running backs
Speaker 7: right now, because there's so many different flavors and colors,
Speaker 7: and they might say, we're gonna manufacture run game in
Speaker 7: different ways. So you might see a run, you might
Speaker 7: see a Cavante Turpin running the ball out the backfield.
Speaker 7: More we've seen Ceedee Lamb do it as well. You
Speaker 7: talk about dudes, fine, he's a guy that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So you know, a lot of these guys are in
Speaker 7: here for the competition's sake, and that's something that like
Speaker 7: I have.
Speaker 8: To keep in mind.
Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, it's stacked, but a lot of these
Speaker 7: guys are here for competition.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be surprised because of the numbers.
Speaker 7: The math now math and like you said, Jes that
Speaker 7: some of these so that they say, hey, we can
Speaker 7: manufacture run game with one of our receiver, two of
Speaker 7: our receivers, and they are blows of both of them.
Speaker 7: They're both good in space, and that might make make
Speaker 7: a difference in how many running backs they decide to keep.
Speaker 7: His Well, can you ladies tell us about Kamante Turbin
Speaker 7: and how he's looked out there running.
Speaker 8: Out the backfield.
Speaker 6: I think he's he's it well, definitely his strongest camp.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, full campaigning is doing really well.
Speaker 6: He's getting no and they're they're using him, like you say,
Speaker 6: in a lot of ways. And I think you're right
Speaker 6: about manufacturing the run game in different ways. And uh
Speaker 6: but Jess also made a good point about you know,
Speaker 6: tight ends, and they're you know stacked in that area too,
Speaker 6: And so if it comes down between a running back
Speaker 6: and tight end, you know, when you're getting to your
Speaker 6: final roster cuts, I think the guy like you know,
Speaker 6: Boyce Freeman, he he can do it all, you know,
Speaker 6: and he's experienced guy, six year guy and can catch
Speaker 6: the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 4: And then you mentioned Hunter Lipke.
Speaker 6: I just want to retrace something that we talked about.
Speaker 6: I can't remember if it was too stay your Last Friday,
Speaker 6: we were talking about seeing more twenty one right two
Speaker 6: backs and I followed up with someone who would know
Speaker 6: very well who's in that room, And I said, well,
Speaker 6: I'm thinking this, what are you thinking, like hundred Lipkey?
Speaker 6: You know, maybe more you know, lead blocking and things
Speaker 6: like that, or that we see.
Speaker 4: More twenty one. It's like, yeah, but you know we
Speaker 4: still see Lipkey.
Speaker 6: You knows as you know, a running back, you know,
Speaker 6: I mean, can you do the other things? Yes, can
Speaker 6: you catch the ball out of the backfield, But we
Speaker 6: see him primarily as a runner now. At the same time,
Speaker 6: I say that we have seen some twenty one over
Speaker 6: the last time, maybe practices too.
Speaker 9: We've been like a crystal ball somewhere to like look
Speaker 9: very ahead in the future, you know what I mean.
Speaker 9: Like maybe that's not a right now thing, but like
Speaker 9: a December playoff tomthing.
Speaker 8: Come on, Maybe she's manifesting. We love a good manifesting.
Speaker 5: Going back to Ayesha's point though about Cavante Turpin, I
Speaker 5: feel like he's a guy that you know. Of course,
Speaker 5: Michael McCarthy wants to use him as much as possible
Speaker 5: because you can use him in so many different ways, right,
Speaker 5: But last year you kind of saw him really only
Speaker 5: lean towards more so, I say, special teams only had
Speaker 5: twelve receptions last year. But the way that they've been
Speaker 5: using him in practice, I'm just looking forward to them
Speaker 5: using him maybe coming out of the backfield a little
Speaker 5: bit more often, maybe more involved in this offense, and
Speaker 5: I think that'll be kind of fun to watch. But
Speaker 5: in terms of this running back room, I think a
Speaker 5: guy that I really am interested in seeing is ric O'Donnell.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's obviously had a great start to camp
Speaker 5: so far, but I think that he even mentioned to
Speaker 5: me that last week that the snaps will kind of
Speaker 5: be distributed pretty evenly, right. And you're seeing that with Zeke,
Speaker 5: you're seeing that with Rico, You're seeing that with Milieu
Speaker 5: Davis now now taking you know, some first team reps
Speaker 5: and some second team reps as well. But I think,
Speaker 5: like you said, I is gonna come down to the
Speaker 5: maybe the last day of camp.
Speaker 8: I don't know it's gonna come down to them.
Speaker 6: I think it could come down to Yeah, that's a
Speaker 6: good problem to have because there.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the final minute, I really see this running back
Speaker 9: room and the tight end room being the two rooms
Speaker 9: especially on the offense obviously that are literally chosen at
Speaker 9: the last second possible because they are your hardest decisions
Speaker 9: you have to make. With the options you can you
Speaker 9: can have the special packages you can have with every
Speaker 9: single one of these guys. I mean, it's it's not
Speaker 9: a bad problem to have, but definitely, uh would not
Speaker 9: like to be the person that's the math.
Speaker 8: That math I wouldn't name. That stressed me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and with the special packages and and Turpin.
Speaker 6: Brian Schottenheimer, the Cowboys offensive coordinator, did speak today and
Speaker 6: his closing statement the final question was about Turpin and
Speaker 6: he said he's having a hell of a camp. So
Speaker 6: so yeah, good good spotting against you know of that
Speaker 6: by you.
Speaker 4: Guys on that.
Speaker 6: So yeah, he thumbs up from the offensive coordinator on Turpin.
Speaker 5: Is having a hell of a camp and we're having.
Speaker 4: A hell of a show this camp. Let's go.
Speaker 5: Sorry, that deserves a that deserves a deg But no, ladies,
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Speaker 8: Those fireworks.
Speaker 4: What was that?
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