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Speaker 3: This is Girls Talk Boys Talk, presented by Jigsaw Dating,

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Speaker 3: from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts,

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Speaker 3: Christie Scales, Aisha Morrison, Nicole Hutchison, and Jess Navarrees.

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Speaker 4: Hey, what's up? Cowboys Nation?

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Speaker 5: Welcome in a Girls Talk Boys Talk presentive by Jig Saw,

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Speaker 5: the preferred dating partner of the Dallas Cowboys. I'm Nicole

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Speaker 5: Hutcheson alongside Christy Scales here out here in Oxnard, California.

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Speaker 5: We've got Jess Navarrees and Aisha Morrison in studio. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of trying not to disturb the offensive defensive line.

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Speaker 6: For now.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna just keep it a little bit quiet for

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Speaker 5: the guys they can lock in. But first things first, ladies,

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Speaker 5: we did not get a chance to talk about Sam

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Speaker 5: Williams and how big of a loss this is for

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Speaker 5: the Dallas Cowboys so early in training camp. But the

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Speaker 5: Cowboys have signed two new guys so far, agreed to

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Speaker 5: terms with two new guys, al Kadeen Muhammet, who's a

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Speaker 5: former Colts guy defensive end. And then you've got Shaka

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Speaker 5: Tony who's with Washington. The Washington Commanders talking with you, Christy,

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Speaker 5: I'll start with you, Christy, how much of a I

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Speaker 5: guess what have you seen from those two guys and

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Speaker 5: what can they bring to the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, Mohammed is he'll be going into his seventh season.

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Speaker 6: So in six seasons, mostly with the Indianapolis Colts, he's

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Speaker 4: Thirty three quarterback hits.

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Speaker 6: So his best season in Indianapolis was in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 6: more experience than Tony. Tony the past three seasons in Washington,

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Speaker 6: but April, a year and a half ago, was suspended

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Speaker 6: NFL games. So he's someone who was drafted by the

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Speaker 6: Washington Commanders in the seventh round out of Penn State

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Speaker 6: Muhammed also is a player whose career has been interrupted

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Speaker 6: by suspensions. He's from University of Miami, but two of

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Speaker 6: So basically what they're trying to do is just add

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Speaker 6: depth the defensive end and have more bodies in as

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Speaker 6: part of the rotation. And Nicole, when you mentioned the

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Speaker 6: loss of Sam Williams, Mike Zimmer was among the three

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Speaker 6: coordinators that spoke to the media today and Mike Zimmer

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Speaker 6: was talking about the loss of Sam Williams and that

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Speaker 6: they expected him to maybe get up to seventy percent

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Speaker 6: of the defensive snaps last year and that is a

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Speaker 6: lot as part of a rotation, So it's a big loss.

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Speaker 6: John Fossil special teams coordinator, We remember how Sam Williams

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Speaker 6: played gunner last year on punt team. They were going

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Speaker 6: but situationally, you're not going to use a starter on

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Speaker 4: So it's a big blow.

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Speaker 6: But Mohammed and Tony adding depth to the defensive end rotation.

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Speaker 5: Before I throw to you, I used you real quick

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Speaker 5: just for more of a scouting report as well. To

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Speaker 5: Cowboys are desperately going to miss. But I mean this

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Speaker 5: is a chance for maybe a guy like Marshaw Neeland.

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Speaker 5: I know we'll get to that and what he's done

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Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna go ahead and throw to you.

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Speaker 5: What's your thoughts on these two new editions for the

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean both of these gentlemen are really

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Speaker 7: I know with Muhammad and a little bit of the

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Speaker 8: He has some pops, some explosiveness to this game.

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Speaker 7: And when you Christy, you mentioned that Shaka Tony was

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Speaker 7: it sounds like that was a shock to Commanders fans.

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Speaker 8: It sounds like it was a shock to the you

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Speaker 7: If you guys remember with the Commanders, they have been

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Speaker 7: he showed some good traits, some of that burst, some

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Speaker 7: these gentlemen, are being brought in for some of their

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Speaker 7: So they're gonna get some run help there, some experience

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Speaker 7: more experience with Mohammed as you talked about before. But yeah,

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Speaker 7: both of these gentlemen kind of have something to prove

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Speaker 7: too as well, you know, coming off these suspensions, trying

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Speaker 9: Yeah, when I was doing some digging earlier on both

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Speaker 9: to pan out very very well for what you're needing. Oh,

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Speaker 9: you can't see me right now, but what I did

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Speaker 9: notice about Shaka Tony is he's a secure tackler. So

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Speaker 9: anytime you can get me a secure tackler, please do it. Dallas,

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Speaker 7: Yeah you did it.

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Speaker 9: He's great in tackling. What I will say though, that

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Speaker 8: Yes, ma'am. He can get a little aggressive coming down.

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Speaker 9: But but to be fair, I do think these D

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Speaker 9: I almost switched their names. And Greg Allis can really

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Speaker 7: And Nicole really quickly I wanted to add, you know

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Speaker 7: another thing, Yeah, another thing as well. Both of them

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Speaker 7: Zimmer is not a guy that really loves those smaller

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Speaker 7: I understand why they decided to go with these gentlemen

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Speaker 9: I also sorry, Nicole, I know we're trying to bounce

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Speaker 9: back to you, but go ahead. I wanted to mention

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Speaker 9: what I noticed in watching practice back the past couple

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Speaker 9: So to me, that's also a plus of bringing these

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I love to hear that. I love to hear that.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 5: Also with talking about Mohammed just for a brief minute,

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Speaker 8: Right because you really have what d Law right now

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Speaker 5: Micah's not really necessarily i'd say a veteran, but he

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Speaker 5: So I mean you're getting guy Mohammed that's been in

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Speaker 6: On Star benefiting greatly just from getting reps with a

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Speaker 6: Any good news when you lose such a guy who's

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Speaker 6: interesting I mentioned John Fossil before talking about missing Sam Williams.

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Speaker 6: Fossil points out that it's really like losing two guys

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Speaker 6: a moment, because you ask about young guys. Mike Zimmer

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Speaker 6: me when I say that, with Mike Zimmer, if you

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Speaker 6: have earned it. He is not a guy that tosses

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Speaker 4: I think Osa is going to have a breakout season.

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Speaker 4: But you know, with Mazzie, he just has to prove it.

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Speaker 8: They're aware of people questioning whether he's ready to go.

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Speaker 7: My job here is to talk about the film, and

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Speaker 7: Zanino on that he has been so adamant with him

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Speaker 7: draft talk is here. So but but when you know,

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Speaker 7: he's getting flowed out of these plays. We need him

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Speaker 8: Oh so Diggizua.

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Speaker 7: One of the reasons why also Gazula to me has

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Speaker 8: He is a pass, rushy, get up field type guy.

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Speaker 7: He's not someone that should be holding double teams forever setting.

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Speaker 7: Other people should be setting up for him. So getting

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Speaker 7: seriously hold down that forward or if if it's not Mazi,

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Speaker 7: whoever it is, I've heard, I've seen some good.

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Speaker 7: To be honest, I just wanted to comment, like, I

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Speaker 8: Sure, but you're looking for.

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Speaker 7: A little bit more from him moving forward, and he

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Speaker 8: Do you feel tempered now?

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Speaker 6: I feel tempered and rooting for him and the other

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Speaker 4: The past, you know with Mazie.

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Speaker 6: And the one thing that Zim did say today is

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Speaker 4: That's not his game.

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Speaker 6: He needs to keep working on the power rush up

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Speaker 8: That's what we're looking for.

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Speaker 6: then you know, like that, let's let's let's concentrate on that.

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Speaker 5: Say one more time, Say one more time, Just one more.

438
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Speaker 9: And get ready for football season. Whoo jazzy, let's go

439
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 9: at some backer.

440
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 4: How was that wool.

441
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 5: Reading something?

442
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 8: Laddy Daddy?

443
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 9: So fake?

444
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 8: Every time.

445
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 7: We like the fun.

446
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 9: Oh there it is, it's coming, that's building up.

447
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 4: Aysha's energy was fake.

448
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 8: But y'all know what's not fake?

449
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 5: Oh God, there she goes this kickoff change.

450
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 8: Y'all got it?

451
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 9: I love her.

452
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 7: I was trying.

453
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 4: Today the media was blessed with.

454
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Speaker 5: Now you want to figure out the sound effect as

455
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 5: what happens? I'm dead But no, guys, old ladies. Uh,

456
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 5: the media today here in ox Now got a chance

457
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 5: to hear from Coach Fossil today on just get a

458
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 5: little breakdown of the new kickoff rule and kickoff changes

459
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 5: and how it impacts the Cowboys. Christy, y'all start with

460
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 5: you on just your biggest takeaways so far from that classroom.

461
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Speaker 6: Well, it's the biggest fundamental change to the game in decades. Really,

462
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 6: they're trying to encourage more kickoff returns and it's going

463
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 6: to look completely different. In the fact that Coach Fossil

464
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 6: instead of doing his press conference from the podium, he's

465
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 6: actually the way it's set up here in Oxnard is

466
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 6: the media is in a tent on a tennis court,

467
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Speaker 6: literally covering a tennis court, and so they set up

468
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 6: a TV monitor in there underneath the tent, which was

469
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 6: great we were out of the sun in the shade,

470
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 6: but literally a tutorial on the changes, and it's going

471
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,239
Speaker 6: to look so different. So the only thing that's going

472
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 6: to remain the same on kickoff returns is the kicker

473
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 6: is still going to be at the thirty five yard

474
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 6: line on his side of the field. Everybody else will

475
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 6: be on the other side of the field, and so

476
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 6: you're going to have ten coverage men at the forty

477
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 6: and then the blockers are going to be there at

478
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 6: the thirty five, so there's only five yards between the two.

479
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 6: So once the ball is kicked off, you're going to

480
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 6: have either one or two, most likely two returners deep

481
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 6: and the ball must land between.

482
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 4: The end zone. You can't go into the end zone.

483
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 6: It's a touch back to the thirty yard line between

484
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 6: that and the twenty yard line, so between the goal

485
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 6: line and the twenty yard line, and if it doesn't

486
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 6: land within that area, then it's either going to be

487
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 6: at the thirty yard line or the forty yard line.

488
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Speaker 6: So it's very punitive if you don't kick the ball

489
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Speaker 6: to where the returners can return it. But what they're

490
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Speaker 6: trying to do is limit the downfield collisions running from

491
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Speaker 6: your own thirty five yard line and engaging blockers on

492
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 6: that side of the field. Now there's only a five

493
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 6: yard difference between the blockers and the guys coming down

494
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 6: to make the tackle, so it's a lot more close combat,

495
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 6: so to speak. And it's interesting because coach Fossil says,

496
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 6: even after preseason games, you're not gonna have much of

497
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 6: a beat on what to expect in the regular season

498
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 6: because in preseason, nobody wants to give away anything that's

499
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 6: gonna be done in the regular season. In the same breath,

500
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Speaker 6: I say, I can't wait to see the Hall of

501
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 6: Fame game tonight, and I can't wait to watch as

502
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 6: many preseason games as possible because I just want to

503
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 6: see what it's it's gonna look like. But I'm very intrigued. Aisha,

504
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 6: what do you think. Do you think this is a

505
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 6: positive overall?

506
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you've talked to us about the opportunity.

507
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,239
Speaker 7: You know, special teams gives guys opportunity to show what

508
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 7: they can do, and it gives them opportunity to get

509
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 7: on the field. But Christy, if I'm not mistaken, you

510
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 7: did tell us that something with the lineup is gonna

511
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 7: give some of these bigger guys some opportunity. I think

512
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Speaker 7: that's why Sam was out there. Can you explain that

513
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Speaker 7: to us a little bit, because you mentioned that the

514
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 7: way that they're lining up, now, maybe you don't you

515
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 7: have the freedom to have a bigger, physical guy out

516
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 7: there on coverage as opposed to it being predominantly corners

517
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Speaker 7: and linebackers.

518
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Speaker 4: Did you say that now? Absolutely right.

519
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 6: So you have the kicker at the thirty five yard line,

520
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 6: and so in the past, all of your the attend

521
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 6: coverage guys would be on that same thirty five yard line.

522
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 6: Now they're on the other forty yard line, so instead

523
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 6: of having to run that far, they're already down there,

524
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 6: so the speed is not as big of an issue,

525
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 6: and so you're gonna have.

526
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Speaker 4: You can have some bigger bodies.

527
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 6: Sam Williams was an anomaly, right to have a big

528
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 6: defensive end and a powerful guy like that that could

529
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 6: run like that on Now he was punt coverage, but

530
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 6: you have to worry less about that.

531
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Speaker 4: But it could change things on the back end.

532
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Speaker 6: Do you need to go with bigger guys as blockers,

533
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Speaker 6: if you go with shorter guys smaller guys. One of

534
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Speaker 6: the things that coach Fossil was talking about today is

535
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Speaker 6: if it's a smaller guy going against a bigger man,

536
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 6: then you know you would want to be right up

537
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 6: at the thirty five yard line and engage him at

538
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 6: the thirty five and not take a few steps back

539
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 6: and give that guy a three or four or five

540
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 6: yard head start. You want to get up right on

541
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 6: him right because if he gets a head start, he

542
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 6: might truck you. So it's it's very very interesting, and

543
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 6: there are some other things that we picked up on

544
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 6: today from Coach Fossil.

545
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 4: I'll give an example.

546
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 6: If let's say there are windy conditions and the ball

547
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 6: is going to blow off the tee, well you would

548
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 6: get one of your coverage guys to come and help hold.

549
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 4: The ball, right.

550
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 6: Well, you're not going to do that when those guys

551
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 6: are team twenty five yards down field. So the league

552
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 6: is allowing for a twelfth man to come onto the

553
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 6: field to hold the ball, to put his finger on

554
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 6: top of the ball on top of the tee so

555
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 6: it doesn't blow over. But as soon as the ball

556
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 6: is kicked, he has to run off the field. Oh wow, So,

557
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 6: like coach Fossil said, you could have Zach Martin, all

558
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 6: three hundred pounds of him do it as long as

559
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 6: he and off the field. The other thing is the

560
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 6: other thing is the only people that can be moving

561
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 6: until the ball is caught as the ball is fielded

562
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 6: or the ball lands are the two returners. They can

563
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 6: be moving back and forth. I think the best example

564
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 6: is Cavante Turpin, I think inarguably is the top return

565
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 6: man for the Cowboys. If he's lined up on the

566
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 6: right side, is the other team gonna kick the ball

567
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 6: to him? Are they gonna try and kick it to

568
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 6: the other side? They'll probably try and kick it to

569
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 6: the other side. If you were playing that, you know,

570
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 6: you wouldn't kick it to Cordero Patterson. You'd kick it

571
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 6: away from him, right, he's one of.

572
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: The top return guys.

573
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Speaker 6: Well, the two return guys can move before the kick,

574
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 6: so they can switch sides. They can flip flop if

575
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 6: they want so. There are a lot of really small

576
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 6: details in this new kickoff rule that everyone's you know,

577
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 6: you try and figure it out before it happened, But

578
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 6: once things happened. There are always unintended consequences, so it's

579
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 6: going to be interesting to see as things go along

580
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 6: what changes. It would be little nuances, not huge things

581
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 6: that they changed, but little unintended consequences that have to

582
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 6: be addressed as a season goes along.

583
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 5: And I think it's also going to be very interesting

584
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 5: with Brandon Aubrey and Brian Anger just as far as

585
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 5: having to kick the ball in that landing zone and

586
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 5: kind of Coach Fossil was just talking about how you know,

587
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 5: the hangtime will be critical with their kicks, so I

588
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 5: think that's something that will also be interesting as well.

589
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 5: But Christy, I've also got to ask you about the

590
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 5: way that Coach Fossil was kind of breaking it down,

591
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 5: was that like, if you want two returners obviously eleven

592
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 5: people on the field, two returners or one returner, or

593
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: have an extra blocker as using a ten man front

594
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 5: or a nine man front.

595
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: Which would you feel.

596
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 5: I guess the Cowboys could benefit more from either the

597
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 5: nine man front or the tin man in front as

598
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 5: far in terms of.

599
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 6: Block I think teams are going to go with a

600
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 6: nine man front out of necessity just because a single

601
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 6: return man in the middle of the field. Kickoffs are

602
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 6: not going to be like you know, They're going to

603
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 6: be kind of some more line drive and a little

604
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 6: it's going to be more directional, and so instead of

605
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 6: like high pop ups where you can get over to

606
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 6: a side of the field and field it. I think

607
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 6: that's going to be more difficult than in the past.

608
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 6: So I think by necessity, you're you're probably going to

609
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 6: end up with two returners just by default and one

610
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 6: other thing on the returns. You know, before with the

611
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 6: league rule changes, they were trying to make the game safer.

612
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 6: So one of the things over the last several years,

613
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 6: you know that if a ball were in the air

614
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 6: and if it touched, if the ball touched down in

615
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 6: the end zone, the ball was dead and it was

616
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 6: a touch back and it went to the twenty five

617
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 6: yard line. Right, So Cavante turpins in the middle of

618
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 6: the field and the ball over to one side, it

619
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 6: hits the ground in the end zone, ball is dead,

620
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 6: touched back to the twenty five yard line. Now, if

621
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 6: the ball touches in the end zone, you've got to

622
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 6: field it, or it if it in the landing zone,

623
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 6: you got to field it, or it's a live ball right,

624
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 6: so you got to get on it. So there's some

625
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: small things like that that are going to be really,

626
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 6: really really interesting. And when I say in the landing

627
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 6: zone the kickoff had it needs to, that would be

628
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 6: like the twenty and the goal line. If the ball

629
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 6: doesn't make it to the twenty yard line, the ball

630
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 6: is going to be spotted at the forty. The offense

631
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 6: is going to get the ball at their own forty

632
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 6: yard line, so it's base. So it's the same thing

633
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 6: as if there were an illegal kickoff, which in the

634
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 6: past would be if you kick the ball and it

635
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 6: went out a bounce before it got to the end zone,

636
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 6: it would be you know, a penalty, and the ball

637
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 6: would go.

638
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: At the forty. That's the rule.

639
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 6: If it doesn't make it to the twenty, if it's

640
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 6: touched or goes out of balance before it gets to

641
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 6: the twenty, the paul is going to be at the forties.

642
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: So that's that's very punitive.

643
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 9: Christy, I have a question for Atty.

644
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 5: Fun to watch that and get a first little look

645
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 5: at that. In today's game, actually the Texans and the Bears, that.

646
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 8: Game starts at five o'clock our time, So what's that like?

647
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 8: Seven o'clock.

648
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 5: I'm still trying to get you ye time of zone adjustments,

649
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 5: but that is today, So make sure to look out

650
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 5: for the Special Team's new kickoff rule and everything like

651
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 5: that today in today's game. But we go a lot

652
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 5: to look forward to as far as that running back

653
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 5: room here in Oxnard.

654
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 4: Is it Malie Davis?

655
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 5: Is it Rico? O'donald?

656
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: Is it Zeke?

657
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 5: So many names, so they're out there. We're gonna break

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Speaker 8: Y'all.

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Speaker 5: Teamwork, teamwork will make the dream work here for the

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Speaker 5: Cowboys running back room because we are running back by

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Speaker 5: committee this year.

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Speaker 9: I'm walking out.

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Speaker 8: We're trying off work.

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Speaker 5: I was trying. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but no, ladies,

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Speaker 5: this running back room obviously has been the talk, and

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Speaker 5: you're gonna run back betting into training camp.

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Speaker 8: Nope, that's all right for effort for both of us.

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Speaker 5: I know, but no, the running back room has always

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Speaker 5: been obviously been the talk of the off season and

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Speaker 5: heading into training camp. Who will take a bulk of

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Speaker 5: the reps?

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Speaker 12: Who will?

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Speaker 5: I mean? Is it a running back by committee approach?

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Speaker 4: So many questions.

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Speaker 5: But in terms of Malik, Davis is a guy who

721
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Speaker 5: has really started to become the talk of training camp,

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Speaker 5: just with the way that he's become a little bit

723
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Speaker 5: more explosive this year or in the past couple of weeks. Christy,

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Speaker 5: I'll start from you with you. I'm sorry, I I'll

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00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 5: start with you this time, my bad. Let me switch

726
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Speaker 5: it up. What have you seen from him as far

727
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Speaker 5: as the practice film? I know he's been taking a

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Speaker 5: bulk of some of the first team wrestle. He's really

729
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Speaker 5: been running with the twos, getting a good mix there.

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Speaker 5: But what have you liked so far from Elik Davis?

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Speaker 7: I mean, well, first it starts with this offensive line.

732
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Speaker 7: Listen the Tyler Smith and Zach Martin combo and the

733
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Speaker 7: way that they're in brack Hoffman getting in there. They're

734
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Speaker 7: doing some pulling and know some penning, and he you know,

735
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Speaker 7: Malik has the ability to see it and go. You know,

736
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Speaker 7: some guys have a little bit of hesitancy, but he

737
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 7: has the ability to see it, put.

738
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Speaker 8: His foot in the ground and drive.

739
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Speaker 7: And so that's mostly what I've seen from him is

740
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 7: he's just he's a little bit more decisive in his

741
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 7: play right now. But also too, I think that's indicative

742
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 7: of the fact that he's been here. These guys, this

743
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 7: is not an installment year.

744
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Speaker 8: This is we know what we're supposed to do.

745
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 7: This is Mike McCarthy's offense, and they're able to come

746
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Speaker 7: in and I think that's why we're seeing guys on

747
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Speaker 7: both sides.

748
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Speaker 8: Of the ball just play faster this year.

749
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Speaker 7: And there's a lot of competition, which brings me to

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Speaker 7: my last point.

751
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Speaker 8: But it's so many running backs in this room right now.

752
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Speaker 8: You better be every.

753
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Speaker 7: Time you touch the ball making somebody say your name,

754
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Speaker 7: because there's no And that's what I was gonna tell you, guys,

755
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Speaker 7: Like listen, I know, I I don't know.

756
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Speaker 8: I don't know if we're supposed to say that, but

757
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 8: like I don't know.

758
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Speaker 7: The only person on this running back roster that I

759
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 7: think is sewn up is Hunter Lifkey, and baby, he

760
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 7: ain't even a running back because there's just so many

761
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 7: every day we're talking about a different guy. Like he

762
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 7: talked to someone you might hear Royce Freeman's name, who

763
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Speaker 7: may have opportunity on special teams.

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Speaker 8: Leak Davis. You guys have said good things about him.

765
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Speaker 7: Nathaniel Pete looks like he has some stoutness to his game.

766
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Speaker 8: Execuel Elliott is here. We know he's a veteran.

767
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 7: And then Rico Daddo is in the system and he

768
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Speaker 7: might be the all around best all around back you ever,

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Speaker 7: right now, it's just there's no certainty and so yeah,

770
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Speaker 7: like with Malik Davis, he's been on this roster for

771
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Speaker 7: a while, it's time for him to, you know, to

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Speaker 7: show up. And so I'm not surprised that there's an

773
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Speaker 7: urgency to his game and you kind of see that in.

774
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Speaker 8: His play through these first week or so of training camp.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think for a guy like Malik who spent

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Speaker 9: last year on the practice squad, he knows that this

777
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Speaker 9: is his make or break moment. This is your chance

778
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 9: to either excel off of that practice squad spot or

779
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Speaker 9: you might not be here if at all, because of

780
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Speaker 9: how stack this running back room is. One thing I

781
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Speaker 9: will say about Malik specifically, is that Mike McCarthy really

782
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Speaker 9: praises Malik and you heard that multiple times last year

783
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Speaker 9: or when he was elevated from the practice squad. Even

784
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 9: you go back to last training camp, he was talking

785
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Speaker 9: about Malik Davis and how difficult of a decision it

786
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Speaker 9: was to decide. Keep in mind, you were going back

787
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Speaker 9: and forth between Malik Davis and Rico Dawbell last year,

788
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Speaker 9: so his name has always been in the conversation. It's

789
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Speaker 9: just this is a year where I think it's stacked

790
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 9: with one, two too many guys, and if you're Malik Davis,

791
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Speaker 9: you know it's either now or you're risking getting cut

792
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 9: at this point, because it's just not only is a

793
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Speaker 9: running backroom stacked, you have to look at kind of

794
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Speaker 9: the picture as a whole. And Kyle Humans and I

795
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 9: were talking about this yesterday in fact, is okay, so

796
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Speaker 9: you can take two or three running backs, that's going

797
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 9: to affect how many tight ends you can take vice versa,

798
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 9: how many wide receivers do you want to take? Are

799
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Speaker 9: you going to count Hunter Lipkey as more of like

800
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Speaker 9: a blocking guy, which would then in fourth take away

801
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Speaker 9: from a tight end spot? Like what are what are

802
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 9: the what the math is not mathing just yet, and

803
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 9: it can't right you only seen you've only seen two,

804
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Speaker 9: he added practices. But to answer your question about Malik Davis,

805
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Speaker 9: he should be playing that way. He's been around, he

806
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 9: knows what he's doing. The guys respect him. The guys

807
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Speaker 9: in the room, I mean Rico Dawdell and him are

808
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 9: great friends. Rico sought advice from him last year. I

809
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Speaker 9: know that for a fact. But overall, I mean, you

810
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Speaker 9: go down. It's running back room. I mean, flip this

811
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Speaker 9: paper over because I cannot read upside down, and you

812
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Speaker 9: long it is, you go down. Let's see Ezekiel Elliott.

813
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Speaker 9: It's it's hard to say he's not a lock on

814
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Speaker 9: the roster. Let's be real like, let's call it what

815
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Speaker 9: it is though, which is it's hard to say he's not.

816
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Speaker 9: Ric o'dowdell I think went into this camp being essentially

817
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 9: your your one, you're running back one, right, So he

818
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Speaker 9: has to earn that though. He has to prove that

819
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Speaker 9: that's what he is. Royce Freeman, you hear how stout

820
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Speaker 9: he is and what a big body he can add.

821
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Speaker 9: You even have we went over Malik Hunter.

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Speaker 8: Look douce Vaughan.

823
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Speaker 9: Let's not forget this. This whole thing that will shake

824
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Speaker 9: everything up with duce Vaughan is the special teams role

825
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 9: we were just talking about. Could be the reason that

826
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Speaker 9: duce Vaughan locks the spot on the roster on the

827
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Speaker 9: roster because you need him as that second returner next

828
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Speaker 9: to uh Cavante Turpin. If he earns that spot, which

829
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Speaker 9: in turn, does that take away from another running back?

830
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Speaker 9: Does that take away from the tight ends? Does that

831
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Speaker 9: take away from a receiver on your final roster? So

832
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Speaker 9: one thing is for sure, you don't know yet. I

833
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 9: think your running back room is literally going to come

834
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Speaker 9: down to the last preseason game to decide who takes it.

835
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Speaker 7: You mentioned duce Vaughan really quickly, Nicole, you missed duce Vaughn.

836
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Speaker 7: And we heard Mike McCarthy mention that they're trying to

837
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Speaker 7: do some things with him in the slot and they're

838
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Speaker 7: trying to do some things with him in the backfield.

839
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Speaker 8: Now, listen, that is a part of part of duce Vaughan's.

840
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Speaker 7: Game that I thought was very like slept under when

841
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Speaker 7: he came out came out of Kent State, penns Kent

842
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Speaker 7: State where yeah, Candas state, Yeah, when he came out

843
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Speaker 7: of there, they were doing some things him in the slot.

844
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Speaker 7: We've seen in OTAs, I've seen it in mini camp,

845
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Speaker 7: like some of the things they were doing with him

846
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Speaker 7: were more receiving things.

847
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Speaker 8: I think we also could look at a possibility.

848
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Speaker 7: Too, and it sounds like you ladies can tell me

849
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 7: Cavante Turpin has been doing some things out the backfield

850
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Speaker 7: and stuff as well. This team also might look at

851
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 7: this I don't know, pack of skittles of running backs

852
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 7: right now, because there's so many different flavors and colors,

853
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 7: and they might say, we're gonna manufacture run game in

854
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 7: different ways. So you might see a run, you might

855
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Speaker 7: see a Cavante Turpin running the ball out the backfield.

856
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 7: More we've seen Ceedee Lamb do it as well. You

857
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 7: talk about dudes, fine, he's a guy that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

859
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Speaker 7: So you know, a lot of these guys are in

860
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Speaker 7: here for the competition's sake, and that's something that like

861
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Speaker 7: I have.

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Speaker 8: To keep in mind.

863
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Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, it's stacked, but a lot of these

864
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Speaker 7: guys are here for competition.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't be surprised because of the numbers.

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Speaker 7: The math now math and like you said, Jes that

867
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Speaker 7: some of these so that they say, hey, we can

868
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 7: manufacture run game with one of our receiver, two of

869
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Speaker 7: our receivers, and they are blows of both of them.

870
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Speaker 7: They're both good in space, and that might make make

871
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Speaker 7: a difference in how many running backs they decide to keep.

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Speaker 7: His Well, can you ladies tell us about Kamante Turbin

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Speaker 7: and how he's looked out there running.

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Speaker 8: Out the backfield.

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Speaker 6: I think he's he's it well, definitely his strongest camp.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, full campaigning is doing really well.

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Speaker 6: He's getting no and they're they're using him, like you say,

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Speaker 6: in a lot of ways. And I think you're right

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Speaker 6: about manufacturing the run game in different ways. And uh

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Speaker 6: but Jess also made a good point about you know,

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Speaker 6: tight ends, and they're you know stacked in that area too,

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Speaker 6: And so if it comes down between a running back

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Speaker 6: and tight end, you know, when you're getting to your

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Speaker 6: final roster cuts, I think the guy like you know,

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Speaker 6: Boyce Freeman, he he can do it all, you know,

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Speaker 6: and he's experienced guy, six year guy and can catch

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Speaker 6: the ball out of the backfield.

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Speaker 4: And then you mentioned Hunter Lipke.

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Speaker 6: I just want to retrace something that we talked about.

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Speaker 6: I can't remember if it was too stay your Last Friday,

891
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 6: we were talking about seeing more twenty one right two

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Speaker 6: backs and I followed up with someone who would know

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Speaker 6: very well who's in that room, And I said, well,

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Speaker 6: I'm thinking this, what are you thinking, like hundred Lipkey?

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Speaker 6: You know, maybe more you know, lead blocking and things

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Speaker 6: like that, or that we see.

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Speaker 4: More twenty one. It's like, yeah, but you know we

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Speaker 4: still see Lipkey.

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Speaker 6: You knows as you know, a running back, you know,

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Speaker 6: I mean, can you do the other things? Yes, can

901
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 6: you catch the ball out of the backfield, But we

902
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Speaker 6: see him primarily as a runner now. At the same time,

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Speaker 6: I say that we have seen some twenty one over

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Speaker 6: the last time, maybe practices too.

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Speaker 9: We've been like a crystal ball somewhere to like look

906
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Speaker 9: very ahead in the future, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 9: Like maybe that's not a right now thing, but like

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Speaker 9: a December playoff tomthing.

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Speaker 8: Come on, Maybe she's manifesting. We love a good manifesting.

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Speaker 5: Going back to Ayesha's point though about Cavante Turpin, I

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Speaker 5: feel like he's a guy that you know. Of course,

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Speaker 5: Michael McCarthy wants to use him as much as possible

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Speaker 5: because you can use him in so many different ways, right,

914
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Speaker 5: But last year you kind of saw him really only

915
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Speaker 5: lean towards more so, I say, special teams only had

916
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 5: twelve receptions last year. But the way that they've been

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Speaker 5: using him in practice, I'm just looking forward to them

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Speaker 5: using him maybe coming out of the backfield a little

919
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Speaker 5: bit more often, maybe more involved in this offense, and

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Speaker 5: I think that'll be kind of fun to watch. But

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Speaker 5: in terms of this running back room, I think a

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Speaker 5: guy that I really am interested in seeing is ric O'Donnell.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's obviously had a great start to camp

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Speaker 5: so far, but I think that he even mentioned to

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Speaker 5: me that last week that the snaps will kind of

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Speaker 5: be distributed pretty evenly, right. And you're seeing that with Zeke,

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Speaker 5: you're seeing that with Rico, You're seeing that with Milieu

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Speaker 5: Davis now now taking you know, some first team reps

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Speaker 5: and some second team reps as well. But I think,

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Speaker 5: like you said, I is gonna come down to the

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Speaker 5: maybe the last day of camp.

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Speaker 8: I don't know it's gonna come down to them.

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Speaker 6: I think it could come down to Yeah, that's a

934
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Speaker 6: good problem to have because there.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, the final minute, I really see this running back

936
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Speaker 9: room and the tight end room being the two rooms

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Speaker 9: especially on the offense obviously that are literally chosen at

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Speaker 9: the last second possible because they are your hardest decisions

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Speaker 9: you have to make. With the options you can you

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Speaker 9: can have the special packages you can have with every

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Speaker 9: single one of these guys. I mean, it's it's not

942
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Speaker 9: a bad problem to have, but definitely, uh would not

943
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Speaker 9: like to be the person that's the math.

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Speaker 8: That math I wouldn't name. That stressed me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and with the special packages and and Turpin.

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Speaker 6: Brian Schottenheimer, the Cowboys offensive coordinator, did speak today and

947
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Speaker 6: his closing statement the final question was about Turpin and

948
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Speaker 6: he said he's having a hell of a camp. So

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Speaker 6: so yeah, good good spotting against you know of that

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Speaker 6: by you.

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Speaker 4: Guys on that.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, he thumbs up from the offensive coordinator on Turpin.

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Speaker 5: Is having a hell of a camp and we're having.

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Speaker 4: A hell of a show this camp. Let's go.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, that deserves a that deserves a deg But no, ladies,

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Speaker 5: I was been talking to yall of.

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Speaker 8: Those fireworks.

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Speaker 4: What was that?

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Speaker 5: I know, ladies, is a good chat with y'all again today.

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