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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle, a New York Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmelt. Today's guest NFL Inside are from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Network, Ian Rappaport. Before we get to even want

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Speaker 1: a five star positive review. Now we're joined by our

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Speaker 1: guest on the Giant Subtle Podcast. He is Ian Rappaport,

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Speaker 1: NFL Insider for the NFL Network. Ian, I know things

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Speaker 1: are flying fast and furious, not just in the world

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Speaker 1: of sports, but in the world right now. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time and Ian a lot to happen between now

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Speaker 1: and the Star of the League year and the legal

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Speaker 1: negotiation period. First, Domino, I suppose is the vote for

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Speaker 1: the c b A that's gonna take place late Saturday

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Speaker 1: night early Sunday morning. Deadline is midnight. What's your feel

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Speaker 1: in terms of talking to players around the league for

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Speaker 1: how you think that vote is going to go or

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Speaker 1: does really no one have a clue here because it's

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Speaker 1: a secret ballot. Yeah, I mean, I can't for tend

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Speaker 1: to know. And that's when, you know frustrating thing is,

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Speaker 1: you know, I spent so much of my time talking

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Speaker 1: to people and reporting what's going to happen, and you

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Speaker 1: know I can't talk to uh, you know, I can't

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Speaker 1: talk to two thousand players. Um, I wish I could,

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Speaker 1: you know, And so it you know, it feels like

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Speaker 1: the election of J. C. Treader, who is more of

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Speaker 1: a moderate, feels like that was good for the passing

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Speaker 1: of the c b A as opposed to someone like

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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas or Richard Sherman or Russell Okung. You know,

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Speaker 1: if had they been elected, it probably would have been

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Speaker 1: a little more dire in the fact of the nfl

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Speaker 1: p A asked for two more days to fabulate votes,

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Speaker 1: to me, feels like a good sign for a deal

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Speaker 1: getting passed. But I certainly can't pretend to know with

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Speaker 1: any sort of definitive answer. How much has action been delayed,

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Speaker 1: either for teams clearing guys off their roster or trying

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Speaker 1: to negotiate Laurent arm extensions been put on hold because

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Speaker 1: of the uncertainty of the c b A. I don't

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's really crazy here is UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: usually by this time I have a sense for, you know,

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Speaker 1: what the top free agents are going to get. UM,

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Speaker 1: I have a sense for where most guys are going

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Speaker 1: to end up going. I mean, you know, if this

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Speaker 1: team comes in like the offer I think they're going

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Speaker 1: to miss, player is probably going here. You know. It's

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Speaker 1: not like that this year. I mean, I've talked to

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Speaker 1: basically said, do you know, because I don't know, because

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Speaker 1: there's so much uncertainty about a c b A. You know,

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Speaker 1: if there's no cb A, there's more than five teams

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Speaker 1: who probably won't be able to do anything just based

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Speaker 1: on the salary cap. If there is a cb A,

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Speaker 1: those teams will be active. UM. And that's certainly UM

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Speaker 1: is something to watch for if this cb A does pass.

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Speaker 1: How much do you think agents representing these players are

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Speaker 1: going to try to bake into these contracts some type

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Speaker 1: of escalator or something else to try to anticipate some

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Speaker 1: four years, a hundred million dollars. Uh. If this new

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Speaker 1: to try to negotiate either shorter contracts to to renegotiate later,

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't know if anyone knows

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Speaker 1: I don't, you know, just based on the quality of

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Speaker 1: crazy crazy, Like I don't. I don't believe the receiver

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Speaker 1: market is going to be reset. Uh. You know, Marie

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Speaker 1: that usually goes on guys getting cut, restructures, a little

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Speaker 1: We haven't had a single guy franchise tag. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: so it's really gonna be really gonna be a crazy

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Speaker 1: NFL Networks. Free Agent Frenzy, which Ian will of course

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Speaker 1: be a part of, starts off Sunday one o'clock Eastern

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Speaker 1: on NFL Network. Do you then project in that maybe

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Speaker 1: that negotiating window being open, we're gonna see guys signing

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Speaker 1: I still think it'll feel crazy. I just don't know

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Speaker 1: ten million plus on the market. Aside from Clowney, we

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Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna make more than thirteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: a year UM. And you know for for pass rushers,

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Speaker 1: from someone else, they're extremely expensive. Ian final question, just

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Speaker 1: approach this market? You know, I could see a splash,

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Speaker 1: Judge comes from a place that thrived in the second

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not gonna sund someone earlier, but

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Speaker 1: I would expect where they will thrive is going to

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Speaker 1: Giants Wheelhouse. Ian, we appreciate all the time today. We

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Speaker 1: know you're very busy. Thank you so much, and we'll

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