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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Jos

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Speaker 1: and there's Chock and we're just a couple of dudes

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Speaker 1: yacking it up about packaging waste because this is stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know. Let's go. Yeah. Uh, it's always fun,

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Speaker 1: even after all these years, to just sort of not

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Speaker 1: the beginning of an episode. Same here, Um, oh like

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Speaker 1: as yourself. Yeah, I think this is a nice little

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Speaker 1: addendum or not addendum, but just in the same bucket

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Speaker 1: as our recent bottled water episode, and um, we did

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Speaker 1: when I'm Littering and the Ultra Processed Foods episode all

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Speaker 1: touched on this too. Yeah, and also of course recycling

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Speaker 1: in landfills. And I just I love at the end

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Speaker 1: our sort of environmental bucket. Yeah, it's good stuff. What

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Speaker 1: about our civics lessons bucket? Sure those are great, like

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Speaker 1: like why jerrymandering is horrible? Oh sure, yeah those are

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Speaker 1: great too. Um, yeah, but these are recycling ones are

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Speaker 1: great and true crime forget about it, because you know

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Speaker 1: we're basically a true crime podcast. That So we're talking

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Speaker 1: today about packaging waste. And if you are alive today

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Speaker 1: in or the future, if you're listening to this in

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Speaker 1: the future, hello future, um, you are probably pretty well

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Speaker 1: aware that we have a lot of packaging. We use

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Speaker 1: a lot of packaging to put stuff in. Like I

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Speaker 1: remember buying a bottle of Crown Royal years and years

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Speaker 1: liquor totally and you and you would leave with paper

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Speaker 1: bag and take it home and you would pull the

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Speaker 1: box of Crown Royal out of the paper bag, you'd

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Speaker 1: pull the velvet bag that the Crown Royal was an

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Speaker 1: out of the velvet bag. And then finally, after you

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Speaker 1: unscrewed the cap, you could get to what you were

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Speaker 1: after all along, which was the delicious Crown Royal. Right,

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Speaker 1: and you would put your bag of weed and the

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Speaker 1: velvet bag and you would go to the Motley Crew concert.

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Speaker 1: That's right with your little nineties bowl, the little brass bowl,

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Speaker 1: that's right. And hey, this is not to disparage Crown

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Speaker 1: their delicious ryeh over and over again. They really took

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Speaker 1: care of Remember they gave us those bags that were monogrammed.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, no, not not anything to disparage on Crown Royal.

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Speaker 1: But it's it always struck me even back then, like

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Speaker 1: And we finally reached the point where the rest of

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Speaker 1: society is caught up to me and are asking these

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Speaker 1: totally unnecessary, and the stuff that is necessary we have

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Speaker 1: to learn to make better and reuse better because we

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Speaker 1: because we don't literally we used to. But what we

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Speaker 1: else we exported to other less developed countries to use

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Speaker 1: them as our landfills, which is really morally uncool, you know, oh,

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Speaker 1: COVID came through our house again. We all got out everybody,

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Speaker 1: We're all great, We're all fine, but p s A

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Speaker 1: they are now. I don't know if you've used these.

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Speaker 1: the mail. I was like, oh, well good, this thing

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Speaker 1: because there was no reason for those two COVID tests

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Speaker 1: so good for them, Yeah, good for you. By an X.

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Speaker 1: clean that bowl out, chuck. Oh. Can we talk about

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Speaker 1: packaging waste? Yes, let's talk about this because give this.

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Speaker 1: In the United States, of municipal solid waste, that's everything

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Speaker 1: solid waste is packaging containers, stuff that the stuff we're

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Speaker 1: that would have an enormous impact on our landfill footprint

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Speaker 1: But we have put a dent in this packaging waste

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Speaker 1: with our recycling, at least compared to the past. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's the safest way to say it. Yeah, we've definitely

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Speaker 1: we have. We're up to packaging waste being recycled, but

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Speaker 1: that still means that they're uh, let me see here.

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Speaker 1: Plastic ten million what is this tons? Yes, ten million

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Speaker 1: About half one million aluminum cans end up in landfills

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Speaker 1: all that's pretty bad. Two million or one million landfilled

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Speaker 1: problem isn't even aluminum cans. The problem, chuck is polastic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really unnerving when you get a product that is

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I blame the Thailand All Poisoner for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: practicing opening them screw driver? Sure, you gotta get a

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Speaker 1: Carpet knife? No? But I mean you're you're screwdriver. When

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Speaker 1: they're all all the screw drives are hanging there. Right.

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Speaker 1: them in your recycling container because that that whole bag

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00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: of recyclables will get thrown out because those things will

427
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: screw up the normal recycling process so badly. Another good tip.

428
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: I got another good tip for you. Here in Atlanta,

429
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: we have a place called Charm uh the center for

430
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: hard to recycle materials. And Charm is one of our

431
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: favorite places to go to because you pull into Charm

432
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: and there are all these people in this huge parking

433
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: lot and all these various stations to help you recycle

434
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: anything you can think of. It can be your shredded documents,

435
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: it can be car batteries, it can be paint cans,

436
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: it can be your old uh computer desktop. Uh. They

437
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: they recycle almost anything you can think of. And I

438
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: guarantee you there are places in every major city and

439
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: probably even a lot of smaller towns that have a

440
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: Charm like place. Uh. And all you gotta do is

441
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: just save that stuff though in your car, take it

442
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: over there and they'll take care of it for you. Yes,

443
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: it's great. So um like Amazon is easy to pick

444
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: on because they're they're shipping so much stuff. They use

445
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: up so much material for shipping and packaging and um

446
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: cushioning and all of that. UM. But they're also easy

447
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: to pick on because if you look at what they're

448
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: doing in other countries, it shows like they could totally

449
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: revise stuff whenever they're forced to. They find innovative ways

450
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: to replace that stuff with more sustainable packaging. They don't

451
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: just say, like India says, hey, you can't use uh

452
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: this kind of tape anymore and these kinds of uh

453
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: packing peanuts. They don't say, oh, well, I guess we're

454
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: not gonna ship to Indian anymore. They figure it out

455
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: and they just don't implement those policies across the entire company,

456
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: which is maddening. Yeah, which we'll see. India has really

457
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: taken maybe the world's leadership stance on single use plastics

458
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: and dealing with it as a country. Germany's following suits.

459
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: So Amazon saying okay, well we'll start doing the same

460
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: thing in Germany. But it rather than just being like, okay,

461
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: it makes sense for us to just do it for

462
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: every country. If if they're not making money doing that

463
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: in other countries, they're going to hold out until they're

464
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: legally forced to or until enough countries require them to

465
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: that that's just what they use across the board, because

466
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: then it is cheaper than making two different kinds depending

467
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: on where they're shipping to. Uh. Those meal kit services

468
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: that everyone loves so much. Uh, this is a bit

469
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: of a mixed bag because on the surface, you look

470
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: at their packaging and the fact that some of these

471
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: boxes have up to two dozen individual packages of things. Uh.

472
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: And then you're talking about the packaging, you know, the

473
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: big box that it comes in and the smaller phone

474
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: box to insulate it. And then these ice packs that

475
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: a lot of times have chemicals that are very hard

476
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: to recycle. UM. But I did some digging in and

477
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: there are a lot of companies doing a lot better job. Um.

478
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: One thing that they do tout, which I think is true,

479
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: is that they really reduce a lot of food waste.

480
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: And so what you want to do is look at

481
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: the entire environmental footprint of an operation versus just buying

482
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: groceries at a grocery store. UH. And you know, it

483
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: kind of comes out even in some cases some companies

484
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: are better than others. I did see that Blue Apron

485
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: has about recyclable packaging and drain safe ice packs. Um

486
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: that you can just you know, drain yourself and then

487
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: recycled that package. So some are better than others. But

488
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, if if you care about that kind of

489
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: thing and you like meal kits, I would encourage you

490
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: to investigate the services that speak to you environmentally. Yeah.

491
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: One two thou nineteen study found that Blue Apron specifically

492
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: had thirty three percent less emissions for from the same

493
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: meal that you would buy at a grocery store. Yeah,

494
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: and they haven't sponsored us in a long time, so no, no,

495
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: this is not bail. Right, So there's actually a pretty

496
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: big widespread push to innovate new packaging materials that are

497
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: easier to recycle, that are made from more recycled materials,

498
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: that are made from sustainable materials that are easily composted.

499
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: And there's you know, some competitors are better than others.

500
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: Some are already proving themselves is probably not the way

501
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: we want to go, but some other ones are like,

502
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: how it's a really good idea and we should figure

503
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah. We talked about corn and quite a

504
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: bit in the bottled water up. Because they can take corn,

505
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: they can make it into a plastic. It's called p

506
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: L a polylactic acid, right, sure, and it's a plastic

507
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: resin it is uh not petroleum based. It can be composted,

508
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: but and I think we said this in the water

509
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: bottle water one too, Um, it's not compostable as in like, great,

510
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: I'll just buy corn bottles and throw them in my

511
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: compost bin. You can't do that in your backyard. It's

512
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: got to be like industrial composting, which is still good,

513
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: but you have to take to a industrial composting facility

514
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: or be involved in a program that will do that

515
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: for you, because there are those out there too. Yeah.

516
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: And then anything made with corn, they also have corn

517
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: based packing peanuts, um, which really they should figure out

518
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: how to make them from peanuts, don't you think just

519
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: to make it fully appropriate, or just put in popcorn

520
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: so the spongey and then everyone could just have a

521
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: snack eat it. Be like this popcorn is not very good,

522
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: but it's sustainable. I'll reuse it. The problem is is

523
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: anything you're making from corn, whether it's plastic or those

524
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: packing peanuts, is you're growing corn and you're diverting it

525
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: from the food system, um to other purposes. And I

526
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: remember we were all about ethanol back in the day. UM,

527
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: Corn based ethanol and and it's just for the same

528
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: reason it didn't pan out, because we should be using

529
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: food um crop land for growing food, not for growing plastic. Right.

530
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: Mushrooms is a really interesting alternative mycelium based packaging. It's

531
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: been around for a little bit since about the mid

532
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: two thousand's and uh, it seems like there's almost nothing

533
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: mushrooms can't do and fun Guy except get me to

534
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: eat them. But there's a really cool documentary about mushrooms

535
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: that Emily and I are going to watch them that

536
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: a couple of friends have told us about. It's sort

537
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: of a wonder uh not product but species um yeah,

538
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: food no thing. I think it's a kingdom. Okay, a

539
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: wonder kingdom. That's even better. Yeah, totally is like that

540
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: a lot. I could see that on a cape. But

541
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: they they have found that they can use it as

542
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: an alternative to styrofoam and even even other plastics. Is

543
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: for like cushioning things. Yeah, and what's cool is you

544
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: can grow fun Guy sustainably on like agricultural refuse right

545
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: that that's being composted. You could grow your your fun

546
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: Guy into exactly the shape that you want. Yeah, like

547
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: um our friend Addison Rex who runs wine Spies. When

548
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: you get a box from him, have you ever noticed, like,

549
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: how is this this cushioning exactly the right size for

550
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: this large bottle and the next to it is the

551
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: small bottle? And I'm not quite sure, but it's possible.

552
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: It's my celium packaging material and you can grow it

553
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: like that. The only thing that I saw that would

554
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: be problematic, it seems like at this point is a scalability. Uh,

555
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: and then lead time to produce, because I saw it

556
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: can take like seven days to grow a container. O. Interesting. Yeah,

557
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: I'll have to ask Addison. I owe him a phone call.

558
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: I tried to ask him, and he hasn't texted me

559
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: back yet. Forget that phone call. That's right, Thank you

560
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: for sticking up for him. Each Algae is another interesting alternative.

561
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: There was a contest just this year that offered over

562
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: a million bucks for developing plastic alternatives, and five of

563
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: the eight finalists were algae or seaweed based. Yeah. By

564
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: the way, that contest was um created by Tom Ford,

565
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: the fashion designer. Yeah really I love that guy. Man.

566
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: Does he make algae clothes? I guess he's going to

567
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: from now on. But he yeah, it was. It was

568
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: straight up for you know, to find an alternative plastic.

569
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: But it was a tom Ford Prize. Um, and what

570
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: did you say? Five of the eight finalists seeweed, seaweed

571
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: or algae, and I was looking at one of them.

572
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: There's a company from Berkeley I think called Sway, and

573
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: they basically grow seaweed like so automatically you're not using

574
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: terrestrial crop land. Um. It's also supposedly really restorative to

575
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: grow seaweed like off the coast for ecosystems and things

576
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: like that. And then also when you grow and make

577
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: plastic how to, algae is really easy to bio to graden.

578
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: In some cases you can actually eat it after you're done,

579
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: like that my popcorn peanut idea exactly. And this is remarkable. Um.

580
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: It depends on how far the algae is broken down

581
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: into the chemicals that make it up, but uh, some

582
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: of them, if they want to engineer this could even

583
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: retain some uh like anti microbial properties in the packaging itself.

584
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: The future is in fungi and algae. I feel like

585
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't algae or seaweed like a fuel source to like, yes, yeah,

586
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: they have not figured it out yet. But yes, it's

587
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: some some sort of by product you can raise algae

588
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: that will create some sort of fuel, biofuel. I don't

589
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: remember much about it. Very interesting. So there's another way

590
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: to make all this work. And it seems to be

591
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: figuring out how to make stuff more recyclable, how to

592
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: make packages more sustainable on a big scale. And a

593
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: lot of people have concluded that that is not going

594
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: to happen until countries and states and cities start requiring

595
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: that be the case from from manufacturers. And I say

596
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: we take a break and then come back and talk

597
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: about that. How about that, let's do it all right?

598
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: So you said that there is a better way forward,

599
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: but as we can tell from their practice is of

600
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: some large scale shipping companies, unless they are forced to,

601
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: then they're not gonna make those changes because it costs

602
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: them a little bit of money. Um. Obviously, the you know,

603
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: we could talk all day about going back in time

604
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: and doing things like we used to as far as

605
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: reusing things, and there are some companies that are doing

606
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: some cool stuff. I know that there are a couple

607
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: of like cleaning product home cleaning product companies where you

608
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: buy the glass bottle with the spray tops, and you

609
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: you mix your own like countertop spray and stuff like

610
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: in toilet spray, and you get these little packets and

611
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: you keep your glass bottles. And there are companies out

612
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: there doing things like this, but that is not likely

613
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: to catch on countrywide because people love just grabbing the

614
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: thing off the grocery shelf and buying their plastic bottle spray. Uh.

615
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: So that what it takes, and what you tease before

616
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: we broke was it's gonna take either people demanding it

617
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: or more probably the law saying you have to do it. Yeah,

618
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: you you you want to say that just consumers demanding it,

619
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: like you're saying would would make a change, But there's

620
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: not enough people doing that, right, So you want to

621
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: instead turn that ire to your elected officials and say, hey,

622
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: you need to do something about this. And it's happened

623
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: in some places, and it's all based on something called

624
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: the polluter pays principle, which dates all the way back

625
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: to nine two and basically says, if you're the one

626
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: who's manufacturing this plastic bag that gets thrown away in

627
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: a river, it should be up to you to deal

628
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: with that, like you should have to factor that into

629
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: your production costs. And uh, it's not to punish anybody,

630
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: but it's to do what's called internalizing the negative externalities.

631
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: So negative externality is you know that plastic bag, we

632
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: all pay because of that pollution that breaks down the

633
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: environment and effects the food chain. That's a negative externality

634
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: that's not included in the production cost of that that

635
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: plastic bag. And what the this this kind of polluter

636
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: pays principle says this, we need to figure out how

637
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: to include that in the cost so that the people

638
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: who are creating this this waste are the ones who

639
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: are actually paying for it in the end rather than

640
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: the rest of society, right. Uh. And that became the

641
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: basis for what's called extended producer responsibility e p R,

642
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: which means you ship something to a person and you

643
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: don't just go, well then uh no, that thing that

644
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: you package is still your responsibility as a company across

645
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: the entire life cycle of that product and when it

646
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: came in is the manufacturer should be responsible for for

647
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: whatever it is that they're putting out into the world. Uh.

648
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: There's something called the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development,

649
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: the o e c D that was established, I think

650
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: in seventy two, and they put out a report that

651
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: said that ten O E C D governments have some

652
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: kind of legislation in place for extended producer responsibility and uh,

653
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: the u S is not one of those. Correct, No,

654
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't, and that was back in nineties six that

655
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: they released that report. So that's pretty impressive. But we

656
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: actually are familiar with them to some extent. If you've

657
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: ever taken your paint to a special center um or

658
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: your oil, your used car oil you took it back

659
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: to like the auto parts store or something like that,

660
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: you were probably engaging in some sort of extended producer

661
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: responsibility where the company that made that oil um is

662
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: responsible for making sure that it gets recycled and paying

663
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: for it to be recycled. That's just because some state

664
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: or city said that that's the law, and they have

665
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: to do that if they want to do business there.

666
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: But what they're trying to figure out with extended producer

667
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: responsibility laws today is to include all packaging, all shipping material,

668
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: all of that waste figuring out how to make that

669
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: fall into an extended producer responsibility model. And that's proving challenging,

670
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: Like you said, especially in the United States. Yeah, I

671
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: think India has a pretty good idea in creating a

672
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: kind of competition among companies. Um, they require that a

673
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: percentage of plastic produced by any manufacturer uh ends up

674
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: getting recycled, like it's a requirement. And if you do

675
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: better and if you overperform, you get credits basically, and

676
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: you can sell those credits to other companies who are underperforming.

677
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden you have this competition going

678
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: on where a company is manufacturing something and they're really

679
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: incentivized too because not only are they are they getting

680
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: these credits, but like their competition um potentially is having

681
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: to pay them money because they're underperforming. So that's a

682
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: really good way to say, like, well get it in

683
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: gear then, because you're paying your competition to take care

684
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: of your waste for you. Yeah. Do you remember those

685
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: carbon trading schemes from you know, back in the two

686
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: thousand oughts that were kind of like buying carbon offsets. Yeah,

687
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: the same thing. It was, they put a cap on

688
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: carbon emissions and companies that didn't admit as much could

689
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: sell their cred it's or there whatever to the other

690
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: companies that did. And yeah, it's a great idea, so

691
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: it would makes sense to make an extended producer responsibility

692
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: scheme out of that. But that's that's that's how wide

693
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: open it is. Like people are like, however, you could

694
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: figure it out. That's the stage that we're out at

695
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: right now. However, you could figure out how to hold

696
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: people accountable, and we're just we're just not quite there yet. No, Uh,

697
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: it depends, you know, it's come down to the state level,

698
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: of course. Uh. One that was a coalition of states.

699
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: The lawmakers got together. They were known as the EPR

700
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: for Packaging Network and they I believe California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maryland,

701
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: New Hampshire, New York, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington all got

702
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: together to introduce bills uh that you know, basically to

703
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: give some teeth and legislation to this kind of thing.

704
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: And I think that main past one a really big

705
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: one that saw that Basically, it was a fund that

706
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: manufacturers had to pay into. So based on how much

707
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: they were, uh like, what kind of packaging they produced,

708
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: they would pay into this fund, depending on how recyclable

709
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: it was, and it was like a sliding scale, and

710
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: that would that fund was then used to help municipalities,

711
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: um manage that packaging material, right, And then California saw

712
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: this and said, hold my kombucha, and they passed definitely

713
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: the strictest EPR packaging law in the country back in

714
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: I think two thousand, also known as I don't know

715
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: I said it like that. But under this law, by

716
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: two and ten years, all packaging in the state has

717
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: to be either recyclable or compostable. That's a huge leap forward.

718
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: Packaging has to be reduced in total by great of

719
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: all packaging has to be recycled aft for use. And

720
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: you might say, well, wait a minute, I mean, like,

721
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: how how would the companies make that happen. California said,

722
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: figure it out, make it happen. And you packaging industry,

723
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: you have to create uh an organization that basically oversees

724
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: this and make sure that industry is doing business in

725
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: California are recycling of their stuff. Um, even after they

726
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: sell it to somebody. You have to figure out a

727
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: way to make sure that the consumer out there who

728
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: has your Derrito bag in their hand is going to

729
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: recycle it. Yeah. Here's the problem though in America is

730
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: half of the country will say well yeah, but every

731
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: single penny of that is going to be passed down

732
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: to the consumer because the company isn't gonna take the hit,

733
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 1: so they'll just raise prices on products, and then that'll

734
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: lead to inflation and it comes out of our pocket.

735
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: So we'd rather just throw everything in the trash because

736
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: I don't even see what happens to it after at

737
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: least my house anyway. So I mean, that's a really

738
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: good point. I don't know if it's actually how it

739
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: would pan out. You'd think that that, of course the

740
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: company would pass along that cost, but I think there's

741
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: plenty of people out there who are like, you know,

742
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: I pay a little more for something that I knew

743
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: was going to be recycled, but I don't, I don't know.

744
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. And the thing is, when more and

745
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: more of these laws come about, companies are going to

746
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: start creating subdivisions in their research and development divisions that

747
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: are figuring out new packaging that are going to like

748
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: follow these laws. And then I mean, if we sick

749
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: industry on a problem like sustainable packaging, and we make

750
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: it worth their while because they're required to figure this

751
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: out by law, it's going to get solved pretty quick.

752
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: I would guess. And then yes, at first, products probably

753
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: will be more expensive than they are pre you know,

754
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: the pre passing or inaction of these laws. But after

755
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: a while, those prices are going to come down because

756
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: those technologies will have been developed and will have been

757
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: deployed widely, and they'll be ubiquitous. And now all of

758
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: a sudden, all of our shipping and packaging material will

759
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: be able to be composted at home or recyclable, or

760
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: we'll just turn into pixie dust in your hands the

761
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: moment you finish that last. Well, we're in a situation though,

762
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: where we're so divided politically in this country, we are

763
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: having a hard time even getting together on something is

764
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: easily uh and obviously bad as plastic grocery bags. You know,

765
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: a lot of states have stepped up and said, you

766
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: know what, you can't use these anymore. You just can't

767
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: use plastic grocery bags. Or you know what, if you

768
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: want to use one, if you insist, then pay a

769
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: nickel for it, so we can at least take care

770
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: of the recycling. Uh. And then there are a lot

771
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: of states in this country that pass preemptive bands on

772
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: the bands and I looked it up and there. It's

773
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: on ballot pedia dot com if you want to look

774
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: at a list of them all. But there are a

775
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: lot of states that are like, you know what, We're

776
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: gonna pass a law that says there will never be

777
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: a law that bands plastic bags, that the citizens of

778
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: the state of North Dakota have a right to use

779
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: those plastic bags forever. I wrote an expletive on my line.

780
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: It's so maddening, I mean, and these are the same

781
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: people who are screaming about states rights. You know, it's

782
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: just disgusting, dude. A band on a band, a preemptive

783
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: band on a band for a municipality is just gross, unless,

784
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: of course it's you know, they're preventing discrimination or whatever.

785
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: I guess there's places for it or not. But yeah,

786
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: I guess when it's something that I agree with and

787
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: they're banning it, then I had a problem with it,

788
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um, with the plastic bags, though,

789
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: there there always is another side of the coin. Like

790
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: obviously plastic grocery bags are are are pretty bad for

791
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: the environment, but um, they did do some studies in

792
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: California when they did ban these plastic bags, and it

793
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: did reduce use of those plastic bags. But they did

794
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: find that people started buying like a lot of people

795
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: reuse those things for like dog poop or uh b

796
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: lining trash bins or whatever. Like there's all like little

797
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: carb trash bends or or bathroom trash bends. Uh, they

798
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden had to start buying the thicker

799
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: plastic bags to do that stuff, which are or worse

800
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: for the environment. So uh, and then you know, of

801
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: course people would switch to like a cotton tote bag,

802
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: which is far and away like the worst kind of

803
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: thing that you can get as a cotton toat apparently,

804
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: so I saw that compared to plastic bags, just because

805
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: of the sheer number of plastic bags out there and

806
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: just the fact that they're petroleum based and all the

807
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: emissions that takes in creating them, that a cotton toat

808
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: is still better than plastic bags in Jenica. But if

809
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: you compare one cotton tote to one plastic bag, yeah,

810
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: the cotton toe is way worse because there's all sorts

811
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: of um pesticides and industrial fertilizer inputs required there. You know,

812
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: they they use fourth labor in China, which which supplies

813
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: the world with its cotton. There's some problems with cotton,

814
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: for sure. And I saw that one study found that

815
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: a cotton tote would have to be used every day

816
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: for fifty four years to outlive its environmental footprint. So yeah,

817
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: there's problems with cotton totes. The idea is there. It's

818
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: a good idea, but we've also seen like, okay, we

819
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: need to figure out something else. And there's this, um,

820
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: this designer name on your hind March who's just an

821
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: awesome designer. She uses like rainbow colors and everything, so

822
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: I like her stuff. She created a cotton tote back

823
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven or eight and kind of kicked

824
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: off the trend of using you know, reusable shopping bags.

825
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: Um and it said like, I'm not a plastic bag. Well,

826
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: since then, since it's become clear that cotton toats are problematic,

827
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: she's created the same thing, but it's made out of

828
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: recycled plastics and it says, I am a plastic bag.

829
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: That's what you that's what you need to seek out. Yeah,

830
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: for sure, So do you got anything else? I got

831
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: nothing else. I don't either. Since we talked about on

832
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: your hind March, everybody, I think that means it's time

833
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: for listener mail. I'm gonna call this Shall we take

834
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: a break? Hey, guys, thanks for all the equality and lightning, information, humor,

835
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: and all the joy of the pot as brings me

836
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: and so many others. Is it time for a break? No?

837
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Not yet. That's not that hard, right. I'm not sure

838
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: what it takes to convince one another to actually defer

839
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: taking a break, but it's been a fun anticipation game

840
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: for me for the better part of a year. I

841
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: almost did that today, just to sort of give Tony

842
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: here a little a little thrill, but I didn't. I've

843
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: listened since. But sometime late last year a dawned to me.

844
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't actually recall either of you turning down taking

845
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: a break when you offer it up to each other.

846
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: I think we've done that before, at least once. Yeah,

847
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: it's almost always posted as a question, which seems like

848
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: it's giving your counterpart an option, yet the response is

849
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: always the same. I'm not sure if you guys have

850
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: a pack to never defer, but if you read this

851
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: out loud, then the beginning part of this email gives

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Speaker 1: me the joy of at least hearing a break question

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Speaker 1: atypical response, So thank you for that. Take care, keep

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Speaker 1: up the good work. And that is from Tony uh

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Speaker 1: coasters and um, the closest his middle name is an

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Speaker 1: I saw that cod. The closest you guys have come

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Speaker 1: recently to deferring a break was in the Infant Formula

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Speaker 1: episode and you have me on edge. Uh So, Tony,

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Speaker 1: just to let you know, we don't have a formula

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Speaker 1: for that per se, but we uh, we generally shoot

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Speaker 1: for about forty five minutes an episode ish and that

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Speaker 1: would mean the breaks fall around fifteen and thirty minutes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we keep an eye on the clock and there

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Speaker 1: always just seems to be a natural sort of organic

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Speaker 1: spot within that rough time frame. Yeah, usda organic spot

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Speaker 1: to break in for sure. We don't have a pact

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Speaker 1: or anything like that either to differ. But also can

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Speaker 1: you imagine if one of us was like, and we're

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Speaker 1: about to take a break, so we'll be right back,

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Speaker 1: you know, like that the other one I think would

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Speaker 1: feel a little bit stepped on, I think, so I

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Speaker 1: know I wouldn't. I wouldn't want you to feel stepped

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Speaker 1: on either. So of course we're going to ask one another,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, we don't step on each other. No,

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Speaker 1: and when we do, we edit it out. That's right. Uh, well,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Tony and the Coasters. We appreciate that email.

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Speaker 1: It was a good one, a little mind boggling too,

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Speaker 1: And if you want to boggle our minds like Tony did,

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