1 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field and Wes 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: with plenty to talk about. We skipped our earlier episode 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: this week because of all of the roster dust that 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: needed to settle. And Wow, this might have been the 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: most active and interesting roster cutdown time in Green Bay 9 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: in a while because the Packers emerged from it not 10 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: only with their initial fifty three man roster, but a 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: new kicker, a new backup quarterback. Both of the them 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: came from the Tennessee Titans. It's been an interesting last 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: few days around. 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: I was joking with a friend of mine because you know, 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: obviously we're in the two cycle week show for the Unscripted, 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: and I made a crack about whether we would have 17 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: tried to shoot the show on Monday or Tuesday. We 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: would have had to reshoot it like three times. 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, based. 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: On every single thing that happened, beginning with the rumors, 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: not the rumors, but the reports of the Malik Willis 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: trade on Monday night. Then Andre's Carlson is released. You 23 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: have Greg Joseph make it to Wednesday, but then the 24 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: packers claim Brandon Narvissen from the Tennessee Titans, and on 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: and on and on the things go. But I'll say 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: this too, I got I do my own informal roster selection. 27 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: I got forty nine, correct. I really there was just 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: some things that definitely threw me for a whirl a 29 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, I see not so much the guys 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: that made it, but like the Anthony Johnson juniors, you know, 31 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 2: being released, and you know a couple of the different 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: decisions that happen, and it just again goes to show you, Mike, 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: for as much as we watch these practices and watch 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: these games, you cannot get into the minds and into 35 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: the meeting rooms of the NFL Scouts of Brian Goode Kunst. 36 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: They had to make some very very tough calls. Brian 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: even said it during his news conference earlier this week. 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: They felt like there was more than fifty three guys 39 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: on this rasa deserve to be here. I think the 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: fact that three of them got claimed on waiver sort 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: of speaks to that. And now the Green Bay Packers 42 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: with what I would argue is probably their most talent 43 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: rich team they've had at least during this era of 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: Brian Goodecunk's ten years GM. They are stacked and ready 45 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: to get into the season. 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get back to those three released 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: players by the Packers getting claimed by other teams. But first, 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: let's talk about these two new arrivals a little bit. 49 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: At quarterback, Malik Willis. A couple of years ago, he 50 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: was a third round draft pick of the Tennessee Titans. 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: He was the third quarterback taken in that draft. It 52 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: was it was not the typical quarterback draft. In twenty 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: twenty two that spring, Willis was the third quarterback taken. 54 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: He had begun his college career at Auburn, had ultimately 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: transferred to Liberty University in Virginia, had a couple of 56 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: highly successful seasons there, and then with the Titans, he 57 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: ended up getting sort of three emergency starts as a rookie, 58 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 1: and then things just didn't really work out for him 59 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: in Tennessee and there's been a coaching change now and 60 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, quite obviously the Packers felt after the way 61 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: things went through this training camp in preseason with Sean 62 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: Clifford and Michael Pratt felt they needed to upgrade at 63 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: backup quarterback, and so Brian Gudakunz traded a seventh round 64 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: pick to the Titans to get a new quarterback in here. 65 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: It's a very interesting situation with the opener coming up 66 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: so quickly, you wonder how fast can Willis get up 67 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: to speed? Can he really be the number two quarterback 68 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: for the opener in Brazil against the Eagles. The fallback 69 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: is that Sean Clifford is back on the practice squad, 70 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: so the Packers will have that option as they set 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: the roster for the game in Brazil, depending on how 72 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: all that shakes out. But a different type of quarterback, 73 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: a dual threat guy, the kind of guy that the 74 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: Packers haven't really had around here. A whole heck of 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: a lot. But it's a new lease on life. And 76 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: Summer speaks from in some measure of speaking for Malik Willis, 77 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: and he's going to help out the Packers at a 78 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: spot that they need, they need some assurance. 79 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was really big on Willis in twenty twenty two. 80 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: I don't know how much the average fan of members, 81 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: but I mean his draft stock just soared in the 82 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: weeks in the months leading up to that, whether it 83 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: was the NFL Scout Scouting Combine or just the fact 84 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: that you know, it wasn't the most talent rich draft. 85 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: So I mean, we really perseverated a lot on the 86 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 2: quarterbacks that were available. Kenny Pickett goes at number twenty 87 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: to Pittsburgh Desmond Ritter, who also got released this past weekend. 88 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: He went in the third round to Atlanta, and then 89 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: you had Tennessee, I believe trade up to get Willis. Now. 90 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: The one thing about his tenuere in Tennessee that I 91 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: never quite understood was I didn't really see what the 92 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: vision was for him there right they had Ryan Tannehill. 93 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: To me, it almost kind of felt like they got 94 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: to the third round and he was still there, and 95 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: they we're just, yeah, let's take this kid and we'll 96 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: see what we get. When we developed, they never really 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: committed to it. As you said, there was three spot starts. 98 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: They didn't go great his rookie year. He talked at 99 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: his locker on Wednesday about how he's a much different 100 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: quarterback today than he went when he got those opportunities. 101 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: They drafted Will Levis last season, so then he's basically 102 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: the number de facto number three. 103 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: And Levis was a second round pick, someone they invested 104 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: a higher draft pick in than they had invested in Willis. 105 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now for him to you know, he had 106 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: a really strong preseason, the best preseason of his career 107 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: so far, led them in rushing. You know, was a 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: guy that had one hundred and seven passer rating. I 109 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: watched the final clips of those ten minutes in that 110 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: game against the Saints. I mean, he made some extraordinary throws. 111 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: The pass that he had down the right sideline, which 112 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: if you go back and look at his draft right up, 113 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: that was something they felt was really strong with him. 114 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: His downfield accuracy, particularly to the sidelines. That thirty four 115 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: yard touchdown came off of him leading the receiver in 116 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: one on one coverage. So it's not like he's just 117 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: a guy that just is gonna run, No, I mean, 118 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: he had a lot of arm talent. He's super intelligent, 119 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: and you can sense that at this locker just the 120 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: way he carries himself in his composure, and I actually 121 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: think from a personality perspective, is going to fit really 122 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: well with Jordan Love. The challenge is the fact that 123 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: we are at the time that we're taping this eight 124 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: days away from the regular season Oprah in Brazil. How 125 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: quickly he can digest this playbook after spending the last 126 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: three years working in Tennessee system. That's going to be 127 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: the number one thing he has to figure out. But 128 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: that being said athletically, in tangible wise, there's a lot 129 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: to like about Malik will Is still only twenty five 130 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: years old, and I really feel like you really haven't 131 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: even opened the box yet of what his potential could 132 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: be in this league. 133 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like there is some carryover in terms 134 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: of the playbook the scheme from what Willis was learning 135 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: his rookie year in Tennessee before some things with the 136 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: offense and the coaching and whatnot started to change there. 137 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: But the other thing I thought was interesting is Brian 138 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Gudacunz specifically made the comment and talking about Willis that 139 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: in their evaluation of Willis, as they were keeping their 140 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: eye out for quarterbacks who might who might come available 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: for all to talk about Willis and his running ability 142 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: and being a dual threat guy, Brian Gudacunz said they 143 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: felt there was a lot of progress made in making 144 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: plays from the pocket and not just tuck and run 145 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: and take off with the ball. That the kind of 146 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: stuff he was doing early in his career. That progress 147 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: of becoming a pocket passer while still maintaining that dual threat, 148 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: that type of growth is what really interested the Packers 149 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: in making this move. So be interesting to see. Obviously, 150 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: if all goes well, Malik Willis will not be playing 151 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers in twenty twenty four. That's 152 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: not the idea here, but the Packers certainly feel they've 153 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: upgraded themselves at backup quarterback. When it comes to kicker 154 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: Anders Carlson, Greg Joseph a tire offseason, all of training camp. 155 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: Other third kickers at various times brought in to be 156 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: part of the competition as well, it ends up being 157 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: none of them. The Packers decide to move on Alex 158 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: hale Is on the practice squad with the international player exemption, 159 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: so there is a second kicker in Green Bay. But 160 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: Braden Narvison, undrafted rookie, went to Tennessee, was not able 161 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: to beat out Nick Folk, the veteran, for the job there, 162 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: and the Packers end up making the claim of Narvison 163 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: on waivers. He had a very successful preseason. He only 164 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: missed one field goal out of seven tries, and I 165 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: believe that was a fifty eight yarder. He made a 166 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: fifty nine yarder. He also a walk off. I believe 167 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: it was forty six yards a walk off kick to 168 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: win a preseason game. So the Packers liked the fact that, 169 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of been in some pressure situations 170 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: as a rookie in the preseason when he's competing with 171 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: a veteran to try to to try to unseat a 172 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: guy for the job. And you know, we're not going 173 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: to know exactly what the Packers thought of, you know, 174 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Carlson and Joseph and how all this thing went. Joseph, 175 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: I thought, started out training camp really strong. Then he 176 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: hit a rough patch. He seemed to kind of recover 177 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: towards the end. Carlson in some respects was a little 178 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: steadier in terms of the consistency maybe than Joseph, But 179 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: the consistent level wasn't a high enough consistent level really 180 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: when the Packers looked at it, and quite frankly, wess 181 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: it's not about just one kick. But when Carlson went 182 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: out and missed the thirty two yarder at the in 183 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of the final preseason game against Baltimore. 184 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: I felt what I said in insider inboxes that just 185 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: felt like a declaration that Anders Carlson was not any 186 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: better as a kicker in year two than he was 187 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: in year one, and the Packers felt they needed to 188 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: get better at that position. So if he's not going 189 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: to prove that he's better that, then they're going to 190 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: look elsewhere to upgrade. So narvisin is the move. 191 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: A lot of different things in play here. The one 192 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: thing I will say, and again I thought, Anders is 193 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: the way you handle himself in Green Bay just you know, 194 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: total professional from day one. But the fact is is 195 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: he makes a fifty four yard field goal early in 196 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: that preseason game and then in the fourth quarter you 197 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: miss a thirty two yarder. As you venture into the 198 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: NFL season, and as Matt Lafloor said, he knows how 199 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: close that razor thin line is between victory and defeat 200 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: and how sometimes the kicking position is factoring into that. 201 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: You can't have that type of fluctuation. You have to 202 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: be more consistent. Greg Joseph, I thought, showed an NFL 203 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: caliber leg. It was a little disconcerning the middle of 204 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 2: that camp where he sort of lost the way a 205 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: little bit. I thought he did finish strong. I'd be 206 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: curious to see what opportunities are out for him this season. 207 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: Still and ultimately a position battle that lasted more than 208 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: four months, it really didn't have a conclusive winner. So 209 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: what does Brian goodekuins do You look at the situation 210 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: in Tennessee where you had two guys and Nick Folk 211 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: at thirty nine years old, still holding on and still 212 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: holding strong, and you had Narvison who was the upstar 213 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: challenger who kind of is in the same mold of 214 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: a Christian welch and that I don't know what more 215 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: that kid could have done to win the job other 216 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: than maybe making the fifty eight yarder. But I mean 217 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: he made a fifty nine yarder. If you look into 218 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: his bio, he made a fifty eight yarder in high school. 219 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 2: I mean, this guy has been around, and he's been 220 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: a pretty highly touted kicker for a long time and 221 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: worked his way up the college ladder to finish things 222 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 2: out at NC State, you take a risk bringing in 223 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: a kicker this late. Matt Lafleur said, this is kind 224 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: of uncharted waters for him in that regard and as 225 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: an undres a rookie, you're not sure how he's going 226 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: to respond to. Okay, now these are all must make situations. 227 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 2: But all that being said, Packers had to go a 228 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: different direction. They had the waiver wire at their disposal, 229 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: they had free agency at their disposal. It's a position 230 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: where you don't have a playbook, and they felt like 231 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: Narvusen is the right fit for them right now. 232 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting how it unfolded that the Packers ended 233 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: up making both of these moves with players coming from 234 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: the same team, and you know, you just wonder exactly 235 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: how the discussions unfolded. Were the Packers trying to get 236 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: both in the trade, but then maybe the Titans were 237 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: asking for too high of a draft pick, So then 238 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: they just settled, Okay, we'll keep the quarterback things separate. 239 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: We'll just get that done. We'll we'll see what else happens, 240 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: and Narvis and the Packers end up getting him for 241 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: free essentially off of off of the waiver wear. So 242 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of interesting how how that unfolded. With regard to 243 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: the Packers and getting down to the fifty three. You 244 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: mentioned that Brian Gudokun said there were more than fifty 245 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: three guys who were deserving of roster spots, and as 246 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: it turned out, for the first time in seven years, 247 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: not only did the Packers have a released player get claimed, 248 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: they had three of them get claimed. Safety Anthony Johnson 249 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: Junior was claimed by the Giants, receiver Grant Dubos by 250 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: the Mammy Dolphins, and offensive lineman Royce Newman by the 251 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And that really speaks to the depth 252 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: the Packers had on this ninety man offseason roster because 253 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: there were only I believe the final number was twenty 254 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: six players claimed across the league, twenty six across the 255 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: entire league out of eight hundred plus. Carolina took half 256 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: of them that were on the waiver. Yeah, Carolina took 257 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: a bunch. They took advantage of being at the top 258 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: of the waiver claim list. I mean, that's what you 259 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: have to do. If you feel there are better players 260 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: out there, you got to upgrade your team. But only 261 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: twenty six were claimed across the league, and three of 262 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: them were claimed off of the from the Green Bay 263 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: Packers cut list, So that says something about what the 264 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: Packers had in this locker room throughout the offseason, throughout 265 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: training camp, and let's be honest too, I mean that 266 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: fifty three that did make it for Green Bay did 267 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: not include two players who all of us thought would 268 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: be on the fifty three. And I'm talking about running 269 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: back AJ Dillon and tight end Tyler Davis. Both of 270 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: them unfortunately end up on season ending injured reserve Dylan 271 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: with the stinger injury the recurrence of the next stinger 272 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: that kept him out of the regular season finale and 273 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: the playoffs last year. Tyler Davis, after an entire basically 274 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: a year's worth of rehab from the ACL from the 275 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: preseason opener in Cincinnati last year, he gets back out 276 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: on the field in Denver in preseason action, plays roughly 277 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: a dozen snaps and injured his shoulder and now he's 278 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: out for another season once again. So that was really 279 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: the bad news and the sad news with regard to 280 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: the roster decisions. But again, those are two players everybody 281 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: thought would be on the fifty three, all else being equal, 282 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: and they weren't, and the Packers filled those spots, so 283 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: they still have their fifty three, and three guys still 284 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: got claimed by other teams. So I just in the 285 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: bigger picture. You look at that this offseason roster was 286 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: very deep and very talented. 287 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: Very deep, very talented, and so many guys rose up 288 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: to the challenge. I think a guy like Christian Welch again, 289 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: you could look at him as somebody that was a 290 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: long shot, even though he was a veteran, and he 291 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: put himself into the conversation with how he performed in 292 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: the preseason. Royce Newman, I think everybody would probably agree Royce, 293 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: it was time for a change of venue for him 294 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: and see what can happen now that he gets down 295 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: in Tampa with kind of a fresh start. You know 296 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: that the opportunity for the offensive line, the where the 297 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: depth is, it didn't really wasn't conducive I think for 298 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: him making the roster. But then you have granted Bo's, 299 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: who was the only receiver claims and I think again 300 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: speaks not only to the depth a receiver, but honestly, Mike, 301 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: the strength of these last two draft classes. The Packers 302 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: don't find them in a situation of having to release 303 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: a due Bo's or an Anthony Johnson junior. If there 304 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: isn't Evan Williams, if there isn't Javon Bullard if there 305 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: isn't Malik Heath and I certainly Bow Melton. Those type 306 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: of players are the ones that made this decision very difficult. 307 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: And on the other side of it, you have guys 308 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: like Heath, who I thought got stronger throughout the preseason. 309 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: I thought Brian Gudokuntz made a very salient observation when 310 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: he said, this is a guy that just has a 311 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: unique ability to make the big play. And when you're 312 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: looking at long term potential, those type of players, there's 313 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: something to be said for that, because you can have 314 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: all the tools, but you might not have that it's 315 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: factor when it's winning time. Malik has that. You saw 316 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: it last year with Bou Melton, Mike. I mean, Bow 317 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: needed to have a good camp. It wasn't like he 318 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: just guaranteed a roster spot. But you don't have the 319 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: performance that he had down the stretch last season if 320 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: you're not talented and if you're not ready for the moment. 321 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 2: So for the Green Bay Packers to have this much 322 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: depth at receiver that a guy like grandtu Bos who 323 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 2: performed so well throughout camp it really didn't have very 324 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: many off days. If he's not able to make this 325 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: roster again, I think is another reminder of just how talented, 326 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 2: how deep, and how young the Packers are at many 327 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: spots on this team. 328 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that clutch comment that Gudakuns made about Malie Keith 329 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, being able to make you 330 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: a key play at a key time. We saw it 331 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: last year as a game the Packers lost, unfortunately, But 332 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: the Monday night game against the Giants, the guy who 333 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: catches the touchdown pass in the final couple of minutes 334 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: that gave the Packers a chance to win that game 335 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: was maliek Keith. It was a tough play at the pylon. 336 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: The previous play, he had just had what he thought 337 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: was going to be the touchdown catch and had just 338 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: got knocked out of his hands by the defender. Came 339 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: right back on the next play it was fourth, it 340 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: was either third or fourth down. Jordan Love went right 341 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: back to him and and he makes that touchdown. Those 342 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: are the kinds of things that stick with decision makers 343 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: right when it comes to you're trying to decide between 344 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: this guy and that guy. And Grant Dubo's he did 345 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: everything he could. He also he was performing on special 346 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: teams quite well, putting some really good special teams film 347 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: out there as well as what he was doing at receiver. 348 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: Unique situation in Miami for him because Miami initially only 349 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: kept four wide receivers on it's fifty three. They have 350 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior, who is on the pup list, they 351 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: have another wide receiver who was put on injured reserve 352 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: with the designation to return, and then they went and 353 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: claimed Dubos to essentially be their number five receiver for 354 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: right now depending on how long it takes those other 355 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: guys to come back. So a big time opportunity for 356 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: him and hope it goes well, but it's one of 357 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: those things that you just never know exactly what everybody 358 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: else's situation is around the league. I think in a 359 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: perfect world, the Packers would love to have brought Grant 360 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: Dubo's back to the practice squad, but the claim pro 361 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: is out there for reason. It's for players to get 362 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: opportunities with other teams, and do Bo's is going to 363 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: get that now. 364 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 2: And I think the one thing that you could tell 365 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 2: even when Brian was talking about is Matt Lafleur as 366 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 2: well is probably as disappointed as they were not to 367 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: be able to have Grant, you could have cut Malie 368 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: Keith or bow Melt and both of those guys are 369 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: getting claimed too. I firmly believe that there are no 370 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: what IFFs at that position. We know how talented they are, 371 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: and there would have been a team like Miami there 372 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: that is looking for someone when they are that banged 373 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 2: up to augment their current roster. And the other aspect 374 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: of it, too is it's not like this is a 375 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: team with several older players where Okay, well Grant, if 376 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't happen this year, could be he was continually 377 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: going to be fighting this uphill climb against the same 378 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 2: exact players for the next two seasons. Get Lord willing 379 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: health wise. So it is what it is. But again, 380 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: the fun part about that day, Mike is a fact, 381 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: like Mulik Keith telling people at his locker. You know, 382 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: Jason Vrabel, the Packers passing game coordinator, his position coach 383 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: last year, was the one that called him to let 384 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 2: him know made the team. You know, we talk about 385 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: an Aaron Moseby on the defensive line that was on 386 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: the practice squad all of last season. He has not 387 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: appeared in an actual NFL regular season game in almost 388 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: two years. Those are the stories that make you feel 389 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: good about this. And you know, as much as it 390 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: hurts to see some guys end up leaving, being able 391 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: to have that knowledge of how talented this roster is, 392 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: paired with the guys that have some pretty inspiring stories, 393 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: you know, it makes for a pretty special day. 394 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's It's funny because we talked before the you know, 395 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: the preseason finale against Baltimore. You know, I wouldn't say 396 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: it's every year, but there are years where somebody in 397 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: that final preseason game plays his way onto the fifty 398 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: three man roster. This year, the answer to that question 399 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: was Aaron Mosby. He went out there, he got the 400 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: strip sack, which his teammate Anthony Johnson Junior scooped up 401 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: and ran for a touchdown. He also dropped into coverage 402 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: and intercepted a pass. Packers loaded up on the defensive line. 403 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: They have a lot of depth at both interior d 404 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: line and on the edges, and but that you know, 405 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: at a premier position at edge rusher, you show that 406 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: kind of promise, in that kind of potential, and the 407 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: Packers knew, you know, they know the growth that Mosby 408 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: has made that entire first year is spending his entire 409 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: undrafted rookie year on the practice squad. He makes it 410 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: now and and hats off to bow Melton, his third 411 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: crack at trying to make an initial fifty three. Obviously, 412 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: he's played in NFL games, he's got statistics to his name, 413 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: made some big plays for the Packers down the stretch 414 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: last year, but this was the time of year that 415 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: he was always getting the bad news and end up, 416 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, going onto a practice squad or making his 417 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: way from Seattle to Green Bay, whatever the case might be. 418 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: He's on the fifty three now to start the season, 419 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: and that's pretty exciting for that young man. 420 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could just see what it means to 421 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 2: that locker room to have bow Melton in there. I 422 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: think I've used the analogy a couple times before. I mean, 423 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 2: he is the heartbeat of that receiving core. He might 424 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: not be the guy that's getting the fifty snaps a game, 425 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: but you know, he's one of these straws that stir 426 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: that drink and make what this team is pretty special. 427 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: And you know, just the way he's dealt with us 428 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: and his professionalism since the day he got the day 429 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: he signed off of Seattle's practice squad. I'll never forget that, 430 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 2: talking to him for the first time in the locker 431 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: room and just basically just being hopeful for an opportunity, 432 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: understanding he's a on paper, he has four three four speed, 433 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: but he has to play that out and on an 434 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: actual playing surface. And I thought last year he did that. 435 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: You know, he mentioned when I talked to him after 436 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: the game on Saturday, you know, he got the eighteen 437 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: yard touchdown and had been a training camp filled with 438 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: some ups and downs, but he felt like there were 439 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: more ups and I think the Packers agreed with that 440 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: as well. And there are certain intangibles with him that 441 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 2: I think just make it so that you just you can't. 442 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: You can't. You can't risk losing that player again like 443 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: the Packers did last season. They were fortunate he lasted 444 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 2: as long as he's done the practice squad. They were 445 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 2: able to elevate him and then sign him in December, 446 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 2: and you know, it was a big part of them 447 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: having the run that they had. So, yeah, Kudo's the bow. 448 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 2: He's gone about it the right way and ultimately I 449 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: got a huge reward from it. 450 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. Well, I've waited a little 451 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: too long to take care of sponsors. 452 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: Now get me paid. 453 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: Not gonna wait any longer. 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But 463 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: that being said, the Packers are turning the page. They 464 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: are starting their full fledged prep for the season opener, 465 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: and that includes a practice. Actually, Matt Lafuer informed the 466 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: media the Packers will be practicing Thursday night under the 467 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: lights at lambeau Field, sort of spending their Thursday mimicking 468 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: what game day next Friday in Brazil is going to be. 469 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: They're going to have some morning meetings and and you know, 470 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: sort of like that walk through type of stuff. Then 471 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: the players will get a little bit of a break 472 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: and then they're going to come out under the lights 473 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: for what sounds like it's going to be a pretty 474 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: high intensity practice at lambeau Field. It's a close practice. 475 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: We won't be there, there won't be any cameras or 476 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: photographers there. But this is what's always so interesting to me, 477 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 1: is that is that you know, you go through that 478 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: last preseason game, you've still got the ninety guys on 479 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: the roster. You have to make all these decisions. This 480 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: year it included a trade and a waiver claim, both 481 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: at very very significant spots on the roster. And then 482 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: with the Packers not having until that first Sunday of 483 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: the regular season, the fact that their first game is 484 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: on a Friday, and we'll be traveling to Brazil a 485 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: couple of days before that. It's all happening pretty fast here, Wes, 486 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: and that opening night kickoff for Green Bay against the 487 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: Eagles is going to be here before we know. 488 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 2: There are so many things I've taken issue with the 489 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 2: seventeen game schedule and all these different things the NFL 490 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: has done with tinkering with the league and the outlook 491 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 2: the last few years. I will put on record, I 492 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: will be on video saying I absolutely love the fact 493 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: that they have this mini buy or whatever you want 494 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 2: to call it before the opener. Absolutely, it adds so 495 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: much to not only trying to keep rosters healthy, but 496 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: it allows coaches like Matt Lafleur to try to do 497 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 2: some interesting stuff this week. You would never do this 498 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: if the Green Bay Packers were playing in six or 499 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 2: seven days. You would do this if you have an 500 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: extra day or two to kind of, you know, see 501 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: where you're at with your roster, get guys comfortable, and 502 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 2: also get them acclimated to not necessarily the time change 503 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 2: or any of those type of things, but the fact 504 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: that you now need to prepare a young football team 505 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 2: for primetime action in an international site in week one. Yeah, 506 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: that's what the Green Bay Packers are doing. And I 507 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 2: think you know, as many chain eges is this is 508 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: going to be and we're going to have to get 509 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: through it. In a lot of ways, the Packers are 510 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: the guinea pig for this thing in terms of just 511 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: the amount of travel that is going to go into 512 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: this before playing a high stakes matchup where you only 513 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: have seventeen of them. That is going to be a 514 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: huge challenge, but it also is a major opportunity. I 515 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: think it's a major opportunity to put this team on 516 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 2: display for the entire country, the entire viewing public, and 517 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: also a guy like Jordan Love who is now really 518 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: put himself out there now is one of the faces 519 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: of this league. With the contract that he got and 520 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: the way that he played down the stretch last season, 521 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 2: that's all very exciting, and honestly, Mike, so much of 522 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: this is going to be a day to day just 523 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: how is this going to play out? What is this 524 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: going to be like? In Matt Lflour and his coaching 525 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: staff are trying to do their best they can to 526 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: sort of predict that. 527 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because then we'll talk about this more 528 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: next week leading up to the matchup itself. But you 529 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: look at these two franchises that are meeting in this 530 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: inaugural game in Brazil to open the season. The Packers 531 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: are a team that they made this huge transition last year, 532 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: not only at quarterback, which obviously as the headliner, but 533 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: with all these other young players on offense around him. 534 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: It's been it's been this ongoing transition to where a 535 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: lot of struggles early in the year. Then you hit 536 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: your stride late in the year, you make the playoffs, 537 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: and you make a run and you come within an 538 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: eyelash of getting to the NFC Championship game. And now 539 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: the Packers are looking to build on that and keep 540 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: their arrow pointing up right. The Philadelphia Eagles are coming 541 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: into this where a couple of years ago they were 542 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: the NFC champions. They were in the Super Bowl and 543 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: they lose a heartbreaking Super Bowl against the Kansas City Chiefs. 544 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: They come back the following year and everybody's saying, what 545 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: super Bowl hangover? The Philadelphia Eagles are ten to one. 546 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: They're looking like they're going to be the number one 547 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: seed in the NFC again. Then the adversity hits and 548 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: things start to snowball the wrong way, and then they 549 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: end up losing their division to the Dallas Cowboys. They 550 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: get in as a wild card, but they are one 551 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: and done in the playoffs, and now coming off of that, 552 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: everybody is wondering just where the Philadelphia Eagles headed. Two 553 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: very very different narratives about two teams that, in their 554 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: own way and at different times, have been standard bearers 555 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: within the NFC. But the narratives around these two clubs 556 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: right now heading into Week one of twenty twenty four, 557 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: couldn't be more different. 558 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: No, And it's interesting too. And the Krimbit Packers are 559 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: nine to eight and they squeak into the playoffs and 560 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: look as good as they did in Dallas against the 561 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 2: number one seed and then conversely number two seed. Excuse me, yeah, 562 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: Then you look over on this other side of things, 563 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: and it's the Philadelphia Eagles, who for a time there 564 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: looked like they were going to be the number one seed. 565 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: These fall off dur in the final half of the season, 566 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: and now they're suddenly in a position where they have 567 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: questions answered. Nick Sirianni has questions to answer going into 568 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: this year. Jason Kelcey is no longer there at center. 569 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: What's the future of the Tush Push? I mean, it's 570 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: all those type of things that you're going to have 571 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: to have. I had to do it. I had to 572 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,239 Speaker 2: do it. 573 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 1: Bring that up, come on. 574 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: But all jokes aside, there's a lot out there yet 575 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: for Philadelphia. And when you get San Francisco's going through 576 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: a two man. When you get that close greatness, immortality, legacy, 577 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: and you fall short, it sticks with you. And I 578 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: think both of those franchises in a lot of ways, 579 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: and especially with the Eagles, of how things went at 580 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: the end tail end of last season. It's a very 581 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: important game for them come out of the box. 582 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: And it's a reminder and we'll talk about this, i'm sure, 583 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: throughout the course of the twenty twenty four season, but 584 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: what happened to both the Packers and the Eagles last 585 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: year and how their season's unfolded, it is a reminder 586 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: of how much of a marathon this seventeen game gauntlet 587 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: is because after after nine games, the Packers were three 588 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: and six. After eleven games, the Eagles were ten to one, 589 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: And look at where those two teams were in the 590 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: middle of January. They were in completely different, like polar 591 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: opposite type of situations from where they had been just 592 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: a couple of months earlier. So just a reminder, something 593 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: to keep in mind, and we'll talk about it more 594 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: next week. 595 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: The dangerous thing about having a seventh seed at Michael 596 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 2: is it isn't necessarily the seventh best team in your conference, 597 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: right And the Green Bay Packers, how they finished that 598 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: year was very different than how they played the first 599 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: six seven weeks of the year. Yeah, and Unfortunately, the 600 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys are on their seeding. 601 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: End well, fortunately for the Packers, fortunately for the Packers, 602 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: fortunately for Cowboys fans and Jerry Jones. With that, we'll 603 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 604 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 605 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: team heading into Week one and off to Brazil. We 606 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: will have more show more Packers Unscripted next week as well. 607 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: We've got it all for you on Packers dot com 608 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: for Wesi and Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. 609 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: We will see you next time.