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Speaker 3: You may remember back in July, the day that President
Speaker 3: Joe Biden said he would no longer run for president,
Speaker 3: some of America's most prominent black women across politics, business
Speaker 3: and entertainment joined thousands of their peers to galvanize support
Speaker 3: for Vice President Kamala Harris. They raised one point five
Speaker 3: million dollars in just three hours.
Speaker 2: Check this out.
Speaker 3: About forty four thousand black women, including Representative Maxine Waters
Speaker 3: of California. Other lawmakers including Joyce Beatty and Jasmine Crockett,
Speaker 3: talked of rallying behind Harris for the US presidential election
Speaker 3: case against Donald Trump. A president for election against Donald
Speaker 3: Trump this November. It was an incredible outpouring of a
Speaker 3: number of people in a very short period of time.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people were surprised, but I
Speaker 3: would guess that our next guest is not so surprised.
Speaker 3: Doctor Carrie Mitchell Brown is a cultural architect and equity
Speaker 3: strategy She joins us here in the Bloomberg Interactive Broker's Studio.
Speaker 3: Good to see you, doctor, Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 3: Before we get to the phenomenon that we see playing
Speaker 3: out across the country and that you've been studying for years,
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about what cultural architect and equity
Speaker 3: strategist means.
Speaker 4: First of all, it is a pleasure being here, Thank
Speaker 4: you so much. A cultural architect and equity strategists, I
Speaker 4: go into organizations and try to make them better right
Speaker 4: looking at their culture. So it's not just about changing
Speaker 4: the people who are sitting at the table. Is changing policies,
Speaker 4: making sure that people feel like they belong, making sure
Speaker 4: that everyone's contributions are valued, regardless as to where they
Speaker 4: work at in the organization, how long that they're being there,
Speaker 4: and more importantly, that there are high levels of respect.
Speaker 3: The reason I brought up what happened on that one
Speaker 3: day in late July that Sunday is because you argue
Speaker 3: that there's this emerging power shift to black women and
Speaker 3: women in general that you've observed.
Speaker 4: Yes, there is, it has been for some time, but
Speaker 4: the world has seen it operationalized. Often in our space
Speaker 4: as equity practitioners, we hear that you have to give
Speaker 4: up something in order for other people to have space
Speaker 4: inclusive leadership looks exactly like what happened there. Joe Biden
Speaker 4: made an assessment that what's required right now he could
Speaker 4: not provide in his leadership. So he transferred his leadership
Speaker 4: to a very capable black woman who has been in
Speaker 4: the trenches and demonstrated that she has a lived experience
Speaker 4: to lead in this moment and beyond and that's what
Speaker 4: is required. And he did that very very well. Were
Speaker 4: people who supported and rallied behind him, but he did
Speaker 4: it very well and it came off. It's very powerful
Speaker 4: and very transformative, and others can take up that practice
Speaker 4: in moving when their leadership no longer meets the moment.
Speaker 5: What is the next phase of this power shift towards women?
Speaker 5: I guess how do we keep this momentum going because
Speaker 5: now we do have, you know, a black woman kind
Speaker 5: of front and center stage. How do we kind of
Speaker 5: keep that continuing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it is a sign for businesses. It
Speaker 4: does really highlight that equity is necessary in all of
Speaker 4: our institutions and all of our workforces. Katanji Jackson Brown.
Speaker 4: I mean she's at the pinnacle in her career as well.
Speaker 4: We see Justice Supreme Court, Justice absolutely We saw a
Speaker 4: lot of that happening when she was finally confirmed. You
Speaker 4: know as well, it is very very important for these
Speaker 4: leaders to represent our democracy, to represent and reflect what
Speaker 4: our country looks like.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I want to go back to Vice President Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: because one thing that we've seen her do, or one
Speaker 3: thing we've seen her not do, is make her racial
Speaker 3: identity part of her pitch to the American people, which
Speaker 3: I think is really interesting. She's not making that front
Speaker 3: center with the campaign. Certainly former President Trump did that
Speaker 3: about five weeks ago, four or five weeks ago at
Speaker 3: that event in Chicago. But she has not made that
Speaker 3: a big part of her campaign.
Speaker 4: No, she has not made that a big part of
Speaker 4: our campaign. And it's not her only identity either. She's American,
Speaker 4: she's a woman, she is multi racial, and you know
Speaker 4: she is to represent. When she accepted her nomination speech,
Speaker 4: she represents all people and she talked about doing that
Speaker 4: for her entire career of the people, right, and most
Speaker 4: women who lead organizations, who lead corporations, who lead labor unions,
Speaker 4: who lead think tanks, they don't lead as I am
Speaker 4: a black woman president, I'm a black woman leader. We
Speaker 4: have two women currently who are black that lead Fortune
Speaker 4: five hundred companies. They don't lead with I am a
Speaker 4: black woman CEO. No, I am the CEO of the company.
Speaker 2: That's a tiny number.
Speaker 4: It is so tiny, so tiny.
Speaker 2: That is not representative of it is.
Speaker 4: Not representative of the US population at all. There is
Speaker 4: a lot of work that needs to be done there.
Speaker 4: But my example is still the same that they don't
Speaker 4: lead with. I am a black woman leader. I am
Speaker 4: a leader, a proven leader.
Speaker 5: So what groups do you target in your work as
Speaker 5: a cultural architect an equity strategist. Do you kind of
Speaker 5: focus on people early in their careers and advancing them
Speaker 5: or is this more kind of targeting people in the
Speaker 5: mid and more senior levels.
Speaker 4: I really work with organizations who are committed to ensuring
Speaker 4: that they have the right environment for black women to thrive,
Speaker 4: for everyone to thrive, but particularly for black women to thrive.
Speaker 4: So if there is an organization who has an experience
Speaker 4: that they are not able to retain talented black women,
Speaker 4: well we have a conversation to see what's going wrong.
Speaker 4: Because it's not the black women who are leaving who
Speaker 4: are the challenge. What's happening in the environment what's happening
Speaker 4: in the workplace, what's happening in the cultures, the policies
Speaker 4: or practices that create the conditions where black women do
Speaker 4: not want to stay.
Speaker 3: What are the challenges that these leaders are coming to
Speaker 3: you with when they hire you, when they bring you
Speaker 3: in to do this work. What are the problems they're
Speaker 3: trying to solve.
Speaker 4: The problems that they are trying to solve as they're
Speaker 4: trying to operationalize their commitments for racial equity, their commitments
Speaker 4: that they are making for diversity. We all know that
Speaker 4: companies with diverse teams are thirty five percent more productive
Speaker 4: in revenue, in impact in the bottom line overall than
Speaker 4: companies whose teams are not diverse.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I want to bring this up because in
Speaker 3: recent months we've seen Low's, Harley Davidson, Tractor Supply, Dear
Speaker 3: Brown Foreman all come out and say they're pulling back
Speaker 3: from pledges to commit to diversity, equity and inclusion programs.
Speaker 2: There's a real pushback to DEI right now.
Speaker 4: There is a tremendous pushback to d Ee and I
Speaker 4: right now, and one would think where they committed in
Speaker 4: the first place. After George Floyd twenty twenty, there was
Speaker 4: a lot of commitments. No company wanted to be on
Speaker 4: the wrong side of I'm not going to commit to this.
Speaker 4: We saw a lot of companies pulling back with the
Speaker 4: Supreme Court rulings coming out of the Fearless Fund and
Speaker 4: the risk of litigation. We have witnessed some organizations softening
Speaker 4: their language around their commitments on their website, but continuing
Speaker 4: to move forward, you know, with their programming. Changing the
Speaker 4: words and you know, changing the actions. You know, they're
Speaker 4: two separate things. But yeah, I would question we're they
Speaker 4: serious about it in the first place?
Speaker 2: Ten seconds permanent shift? Is this it? Or these companies
Speaker 2: circle back in the coming years.
Speaker 4: They need to circle back. It's at their own peril
Speaker 4: if they don't.
Speaker 3: All right, Doctor Kerry Mitchell Brown, thanks so much for
Speaker 3: joining us. Thank you for Contect and Equity Strategist joining
Speaker 3: us here in the Bloomberg Interactive Brokers studio.
Speaker 4: Well, she's a woman of the world, got you knows it?
Speaker 3: Well, Women in non binary venture investors of Kandy foothold
Speaker 3: in the tech industry five years faster than the advocacy
Speaker 3: group allrais expected. The leaders say, a national backlash to
Speaker 3: DEI initiatives threatens the progress that has been made. Check
Speaker 3: out these numbers, Emily, About eighteen percent of decision makers
Speaker 3: at US adventure capital firms are female. It's double from
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen when all Rais was founded and set a
Speaker 3: goal of reaching that number by twenty twenty eight that's
Speaker 3: according to the group's annual report. It was published just
Speaker 3: a couple of months ago, back in July. Very curious
Speaker 3: what Sarah Dusak has to say about all this. She's
Speaker 3: co founder of Enigma Ventures. She's got a new book
Speaker 3: just out this week. It's called Thinking Bigger. It's a
Speaker 3: pitch deck formula for women who want to change the world.
Speaker 3: Sarah joins us from Cape Town, South Africa. I should
Speaker 3: note she's a founder who founded the company under Canvas,
Speaker 3: which was sold for more than one hundred million dollars,
Speaker 3: and she's also behind the Few and Far collection. Sarah,
Speaker 3: good to have you with us. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm very well. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because we spend a lot of
Speaker 3: time talking about the small portion of VC funding that
Speaker 3: goes to women and how it hasn't improved that much
Speaker 3: in recent years. But we are starting to see, at
Speaker 3: least here in the US. And again important to note
Speaker 3: this is from a US perspective. You're joining us from
Speaker 3: Cape Town. It does seem like at least decision making
Speaker 3: or decision makers have become more representative, at least on
Speaker 3: a gender level here in the US than some organizations
Speaker 3: thought they would.
Speaker 1: What do you make of then, Yeah, I mean, we
Speaker 1: have seen the rise, a large rise of female fund
Speaker 1: managers over the last few years, but still when you
Speaker 1: look at the size of funds that female fund managers
Speaker 1: are able to raise, they're still minuscule in comparison with
Speaker 1: many of their male counterparts. And that's still a problem
Speaker 1: because obviously the amount of capital that women can deploy,
Speaker 1: then influence is who is getting that capital, And what
Speaker 1: we know is that still only two percent of female
Speaker 1: founders are getting venture capital in the US.
Speaker 5: What do you make of that divergence? Is there anything
Speaker 5: that kind of explains that really large gap between who
Speaker 5: gets funding and who does it well?
Speaker 1: Bench capital historically has been a big boys club, right,
Speaker 1: so if men are typically doing the investing, then inherently
Speaker 1: we invest in All of us are prone to invest
Speaker 1: in things that we like, things that we can understand
Speaker 1: things that we can connect with. People that we can
Speaker 1: connect with, we're prone to want to invest in people
Speaker 1: like us. And so if only men are doing the investing,
Speaker 1: we're likely to see a lot more men getting investment
Speaker 1: than women. And largely women have been left behind of
Speaker 1: the conversation about what it takes to be investable. And
Speaker 1: if you think historically, you know, it was nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: eight the women could have a bank clone, a business
Speaker 1: bank loan. That's first time.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, that's not long ago. Wait, that's
Speaker 2: that is that in the US?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it was nineteen eighty eight when a woman
Speaker 1: could have a bank loan for her business in the
Speaker 1: US that did not have to be countersigned by her
Speaker 1: partner or husband, a male counterpart of some kind.
Speaker 2: Wait, Emily, just go ahead, Emily.
Speaker 5: No, I was just saying, that's really surprised.
Speaker 3: Hoorified as I am.
Speaker 5: We both weren't even alive right too.
Speaker 2: It's rude.
Speaker 3: I was alive then you were in She always tried.
Speaker 1: That's partular history, and that's part of the gap that
Speaker 1: we've got that you know, there's there's it's been more
Speaker 1: challenging for women to grow and scale businesses, and largely
Speaker 1: women have not been in the loop about what investors
Speaker 1: looks like, and that was part of the reason for
Speaker 1: writing the book was to demystify the capital stack, demystify
Speaker 1: what it takes to be investible. Because we also know
Speaker 1: that only two percent of women ever build businesses that
Speaker 1: do more than a million dollars in revenue every year.
Speaker 1: So we've got a chicken and egg scenario there. We
Speaker 1: don't have enough women at the funding table, which we
Speaker 1: know is improving slowly, but the amount of access to
Speaker 1: capital that even those female fund managers have is mini school.
Speaker 1: But we also know that women are not building the
Speaker 1: kind of businesses that could be investible. So but of
Speaker 1: course you need capital to build the kind of business
Speaker 1: that could be investible. So this vicious circle.
Speaker 3: Well, talk about the vicious circle, because in your book,
Speaker 3: you start out the book by writing about what the
Speaker 3: heart of the problem is.
Speaker 2: What is the heart of the problem.
Speaker 1: The heart of the problem is not enough women are
Speaker 1: building big businesses. Not they're not thinking big enough about
Speaker 1: building the kind of businesses that could be investable. And
Speaker 1: we're not understanding what big looks like. And you know
Speaker 1: from from a venture capital perspective. We're talking about one
Speaker 1: hundred million big like you know, that's law for thinking
Speaker 1: about a venture backable business. Could the business that you
Speaker 1: are building one day, not tomorrow, not not five weeks
Speaker 1: from now, but one day potentially be worth one hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars or more. And that's what we've got to
Speaker 1: sort of help women understand what does that look like?
Speaker 1: How could you build a business that has that kind
Speaker 1: of potential and that's not just tech businesses.
Speaker 3: Give us your story from early on in your career
Speaker 3: when it came to your idea with relation to what
Speaker 3: you did in Montana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my husband and I built a company called under Canvas,
Speaker 1: which today is still the leading and largest glamping company
Speaker 1: in the United States. And we did not build a
Speaker 1: tech company, but we did build a company that became
Speaker 1: worth well over one hundred million dollars. And when I
Speaker 1: started my company, I had no idea what venture capital was.
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a lot of concepts that, you know,
Speaker 1: if you were going to build a business that maybe
Speaker 1: you might need some investment, or that you would need
Speaker 1: investors to come alongside you and build it. And I
Speaker 1: was very green and very not clear about what that
Speaker 1: looked like. But I had a business that had the
Speaker 1: potential to scale, and I could see the reality of
Speaker 1: what we were building and the demand for what we
Speaker 1: were creating was there. But I had to learn the
Speaker 1: hard way about bench capital, raising money, and there were
Speaker 1: so many things I didn't know, and I thought that
Speaker 1: was me. I thought I was the only one who
Speaker 1: didn't know all these things and didn't know the venture
Speaker 1: speak and didn't know all the acronyms and didn't know
Speaker 1: the language. But since becoming a VC myself, I now
Speaker 1: know that most women don't know the language, don't know
Speaker 1: the acronyms, don't know what investible looks like. And so
Speaker 1: that was part of the reason for writing this book
Speaker 1: is how do we demystify it, How do we make
Speaker 1: it easier for women to build the kind of businesses
Speaker 1: that are investible, and how do we help women understand
Speaker 1: this is the scale, this is what it takes, this
Speaker 1: is what it looks like. Because if you know what
Speaker 1: the exam questions are, you have a much better chance
Speaker 1: of passing the test.
Speaker 5: You talk about the pitch deck, How important is that
Speaker 5: stage of the process for you know, a founder kind
Speaker 5: of starting out, how crucial is it that they get
Speaker 5: that pitch deck right.
Speaker 1: The pitchtacks everything, because it's like your calling card. It's
Speaker 1: the ten pages of information that give the headlines about
Speaker 1: your business, and it's the first impression that you will
Speaker 1: give anyone about your business and about you, especially when
Speaker 1: you're pitching investors. But the wonderful thing about the pitch
Speaker 1: deck and working on your pitch deck is that it's
Speaker 1: not only relevant for going out to raise capital. It's
Speaker 1: also really relevant for helping you work on your business
Speaker 1: and helping you think about what are the building blocks
Speaker 1: of scale. And so the book unpacks the pitch deck
Speaker 1: to be able to help you write a fantastic pitch
Speaker 1: deck to go out and raise money, but it's also
Speaker 1: designed to help you think about what are the fundamentals
Speaker 1: of scale that will really help me grow and escalate
Speaker 1: my business.
Speaker 3: Well, I love that the book is filled with stories
Speaker 3: about your own experience as an entrepreneur, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to ask you to share a few of them. One
Speaker 3: of them from I Believe back in twenty and ten,
Speaker 3: and when an event producer called you and your husband
Speaker 3: to make an order for tents that you didn't necessarily have,
Speaker 3: but you saw it as an opportunity to sell these tents.
Speaker 2: Explain what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a really pivotal moment in our business journey.
Speaker 1: We were in the very very early days of the
Speaker 1: business and we received a call from an event producer
Speaker 1: that said, I love your tents, I love what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and I'm doing a music festival in New York and
Speaker 1: I would love you to provide the tents for the business.
Speaker 1: And of course we did not have one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty tenths, which is what they were asking us for.
Speaker 1: But it was a moment in time where we knew
Speaker 1: this was this could be a game changer for us.
Speaker 1: We have to say yes, and then we have to
Speaker 1: figure out how on earth we're going to pull that off.
Speaker 1: And so we said yes. We said, well you can
Speaker 1: get those tents from us, we will help you put
Speaker 1: on your music festival, and off we went. But it
Speaker 1: was a nerve wrecking ride. I was pregnant with my
Speaker 1: second child at the time, and we asked the producer
Speaker 1: when when is the actual event? And it was the
Speaker 1: same week as my ju date with our child, and
Speaker 1: we kind of my husband and I looked at each
Speaker 1: other and said well, we still got to do it.
Speaker 1: We still got to find a way to pull this
Speaker 1: off and make this happen, and that that contract that
Speaker 1: we won was a complete game changer for our business.
Speaker 3: I want to get right back to Sarah Ducek, co
Speaker 3: founder of Enigma, a venture. She joins us from Cape Town,
Speaker 3: South Africa. She's got a new book out. It's called
Speaker 3: Thinking Bigger, a pitch deck formula for women who want
Speaker 3: to change the world. She also founded and was CEO
Speaker 3: of under Canvas, which was sold a few years ago
Speaker 3: for more than one hundred million dollars. Sarah, I want
Speaker 3: to start or continue the interview with you by hearing
Speaker 3: more about your story, because you started your career not
Speaker 3: as an entrepreneur, but as an aid worker and found
Speaker 3: yourself after a few years burnt out with that. Tell
Speaker 3: us a little more about how you started your career.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was always very keen on saving the world,
Speaker 1: and I really believed I could, And I spent the
Speaker 1: first eight years of my career, as you said, working
Speaker 1: for NGOs because I believed that nonprofit vehicles were the
Speaker 1: only vehicles that could do good. But now I know different,
Speaker 1: and after eight years of hard grind and not making
Speaker 1: enough of a dent in any of the problems that
Speaker 1: we were trying to solve. I went back to the
Speaker 1: drawing board, burnt out, and thought, there has to be
Speaker 1: another way. There has to be a different way to
Speaker 1: solve some of the world's biggest problems. And what I
Speaker 1: realized was was that the vehicle that is designed to
Speaker 1: solve problems is actually business. The very heart of doing
Speaker 1: business is about solving a specific problem for a specific
Speaker 1: user that has to be sustainable because it has to
Speaker 1: make money otherwise it's not going to exist very long.
Speaker 1: So which really really revolutionized my thinking around could business
Speaker 1: be a vehicle for driving change, solving problems, doing good,
Speaker 1: moving us forward one step at a time, Which launched
Speaker 1: my career into business because I realized, well, if I
Speaker 1: believe that, then I should get in the ring and
Speaker 1: I should figure out is it possible to do good?
Speaker 1: Is it possible to use business as a vehicle for
Speaker 1: moving the world forward?
Speaker 5: It seems like you have a really good kind of
Speaker 5: positive mindset. And even the title of the book Thinking
Speaker 5: Bigger kind of has to do with this idea that
Speaker 5: if you put your mind to something, you can achieve
Speaker 5: it without spoiling the book. I'm wondering, you know, what
Speaker 5: kind of tactics do you give to aspiring women entrepreneurs
Speaker 5: about really changing that mindset and pivoting the mindset towards
Speaker 5: war that is focused on being successful and being confident.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things I've realized over the last
Speaker 1: few years of working directly with female entrepreneurs and understanding
Speaker 1: myself also was there was two critical components missing for women.
Speaker 1: Lack of knowledge and therefore we are disempowered about how
Speaker 1: the capital markets work and how you raise capital and
Speaker 1: the building blocks of building scale, but also the mindsets
Speaker 1: that we carry around with ourselves that actually are really
Speaker 1: huge stumbling blocks, from scarcity to playing it small, to
Speaker 1: risk aversion. I mean, there are dozens, and so I
Speaker 1: started to unpack them as I tell my story through
Speaker 1: the book, because I could see many of them as
Speaker 1: a reality for myself that were sort of being a
Speaker 1: glass ceiling for me, and we're hindering my growth and
Speaker 1: what I was capable of. And as I've worked for
Speaker 1: other female entrepreneurs, I can see so many of the
Speaker 1: same mindsets coming to the fore that trip them up.
Speaker 1: And women typically want to play it safer we typically
Speaker 1: are a little bit more risk averse, and obviously that's
Speaker 1: a big generalization, but I started to see some trends
Speaker 1: and that made me realize those are as big of
Speaker 1: a problem as lack of knowledge or lack of access
Speaker 1: to markets, and those we can do something about.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We might not be able to change the capital markets overnight,
Speaker 1: but we can change the way we think, we can
Speaker 1: change the way we approach risk, and we can start
Speaker 1: to see a lot more clearly some of the things
Speaker 1: that are getting in our way.
Speaker 5: What's the most underrated piece of advice that you would
Speaker 5: give to female founders?
Speaker 1: Trust yourself more. I have never gone wrong when I've
Speaker 1: bet on myself. And often what we're not seeing is
Speaker 1: women believing in themselves enough, and we see that by
Speaker 1: how willing all in they are to be or not.
Speaker 1: You know, you really have to be all in if
Speaker 1: you are going to grow and scale a business from
Speaker 1: zero to one hundred million dollars in value, you have
Speaker 1: to be all in. There is no two ways about that.
Speaker 1: And often we see, you know, we're wanting to play
Speaker 1: it safe, We're wanting to hedge our bets, and really
Speaker 1: you have to believe in you and often. You know,
Speaker 1: we go out to raise capital and we expect other
Speaker 1: people to believe in us, because that's what you're asking
Speaker 1: people to do when you're asking for their for their investment.
Speaker 1: But we have to believe in us first. And if
Speaker 1: you can do that, you are on your way.
Speaker 3: Sarah, just in the last couple of minutes we have
Speaker 3: I want to look forward with you and help us
Speaker 3: understand what you're working on now few and far. It's
Speaker 3: not it's it's not an an agency, but it's a
Speaker 3: luxury experiences company.
Speaker 2: Explain what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love being an entrepreneur and I love the
Speaker 1: travel space. So here we are again building another travel
Speaker 1: clash slash climate company. And what we're trying to do
Speaker 1: this time is not just build a sustainable business. Under
Speaker 1: camus is an extraordinary sustainable travel business. Now we're trying
Speaker 1: to build a regenerative travel business. And the difference is
Speaker 1: the investment we make in the planet. So the business
Speaker 1: exists so that we can impact and regenerate, rewild, reforest
Speaker 1: the planet. So that's the horror of what we're doing.
Speaker 1: We're taking people on extraordinary carbon negative adventures around the world,
Speaker 1: taking them to some of the most incredible wilderness destinations.
Speaker 1: And we're also investing deeply investing in decarbonization by rewilding,
Speaker 1: restoring thousands and thousands and thousands of hectares currently in
Speaker 1: Southern Africa that will capture our nemesis carbon and capture
Speaker 1: it in the soil and play a role in hoping
Speaker 1: to save our planet.
Speaker 3: You're talking about experiences throughout the world, Africa, Europe, South America,
Speaker 3: North America, Antarctica, everywhere. Really cool stuff. Hey, Sarah, thanks
Speaker 3: so much for joining us on Bloomberg Business Week. Sarah
Speaker 3: Ducek is the co founder of Enigma Ventures. Her new
Speaker 3: book out this week. It's called Thinking Bigger, a pitch
Speaker 3: deck formula for women who want to change the world.
Speaker 3: Her new venture Few and Far is up now, and
Speaker 3: she is the founder and former CEO of Under Canvas,
Speaker 3: which a few years ago was sold for more than
Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars