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Speaker 1: willing crime stories with Nancy Grace. Final defendant Scottie Peterson

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Speaker 1: guilty of the crime of murder of Lacey DDS. The

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Speaker 1: at this hour, case is being mounted, a habeas corpus

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Speaker 1: at ashe Wilcott dot com. Ashley. The defense in their

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Speaker 1: He had all this stuff to clean up the horrendous act,

426
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: and he had all these tools and possibly the weights

427
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: to wake down her body. And I don't think he

428
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: ever thought that she was going to wash up with

429
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: the baby, Nancy. Jan I just wanted to say, as

430
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: a judge, here's a reason that I might say, no defense,

431
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: you cannot recreate because in order to have evidence recreated,

432
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: to use a model of something, or the model of

433
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: the boat versus actual boat, I as a judge, would

434
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: want to hear, why can't you show the jury the

435
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: real boat, the actual boat, the actual thing that we're

436
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: talking about. I would want some compelling reason. Oh, it

437
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: was inadvertently lost by the prosecution in the crime lab,

438
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: whatever it was. Otherwise, I think there's a very valid

439
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: reason not to allow it, because it's a recreation. You

440
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: don't use a creation if you have the real thing available.

441
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: You're right. There was a big brew haha about the

442
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: video about how her body could or could not have

443
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: fit into the boat. But the reality is the state

444
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: brought on photos demonstrating the boat had plenty of room

445
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: and more for a woman to be placed in. As

446
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they got a Stanislaus County employee,

447
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: as I recall, the same height and waite, who was

448
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: also pregnant, to lay in the boat and took pictures

449
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: of it and showed photos of the boat and how

450
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: wide it was to let them know Lacy could fit

451
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: in there. This woman, kim Fulbright, was five too. She

452
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: went one hundred and fifty seven pounds and was thirty

453
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: eight weeks pregnant when the photos of her in Peterson's

454
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: boat were taken. Lacy was thirty three weeks pregnant and

455
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: smaller than Kim Fullbright, as I recall, and in these

456
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: photos you can see Fulbright lying on her side in

457
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: various sections of the boat, so that's not really an issue.

458
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: Another point that Jackie here in the studio has brought

459
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: up is the weather conditions in the video very different

460
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: from the weather conditions and the tide conditions the day

461
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: Lacy went missing. I mean, you know, can we just

462
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: get real for a moment, Cheryl McCollum, just, you know,

463
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: forget about Oh, you should have brought on a fetal expert. Well,

464
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: the defense did bring on a baby expert, a fertility expert,

465
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: doctor Charles Marsh. His testimony was a train wreck. They

466
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: said they failed to put on a dog sent expert. Well,

467
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: probably because no expert would have disagreed with what they

468
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: had said. But the reality is Christmas Eve morning. He

469
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: makes a quote spur of the moment decision to go

470
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: fishing in a boat. He hasn't even told his own

471
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: father about that he has kept secret and kept at

472
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: his warehouse. Her hair turns up intertwined in his suppliers,

473
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: not just suck on his pliers, but intertwined in his pliers.

474
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: He takes a three hour trip to go fishing for

475
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: forty five minutes out on a cold bay, and where

476
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: he fishes, it's where her body turns up. And in

477
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: a few weeks, at about four weeks following her disappearance,

478
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: he revisits that spot. He's treked by police five times

479
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: in five different rental cars. Because criminals can't help it.

480
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: They go back and they look at the crime over

481
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: and over, they return to the scene of the crime.

482
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, really, Scott needs a new trial and we

483
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: need justice for Lacey and Connor. You know it's not

484
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: justice for them when Scott sitting on death row. We

485
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: watched them grow up, when they first were dating, and

486
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: just watch that progression of life of them starting to

487
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, plan a family, and you know that's why

488
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: they moved to Modesto, was to start a family. Everything

489
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: we've learned the last fifteen years has either confirmed Scott's

490
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: innocence or taking us one step closer to finding out

491
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: what happened to Lazy and Connor, and whoever did this

492
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: to them is still out there. You are hearing Scott

493
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: Peterson convicted in the murderer of his wife Lacy and

494
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: their unborn child, O'Connor, the sister in law Janie Peterson,

495
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: who says that Scott Peterson needs a new trial. The

496
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: killer is still out there. You know, I know this

497
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: is a part of evidence, but Cheryl McCollum, Director Coal

498
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, if he didn't do it, who did not?

499
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: Just that? Lte how many other eight months pregnant women

500
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: have gone missing and later found murdered in that bay?

501
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: That would be zero? You know, I want to go

502
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: back to Alexis Dresshu raider online dot Com. Alexis, he's had,

503
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, six appeals. Tell me about the

504
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: hair and his pliers that were in the boat. So

505
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: what the police found was pair of piers, and you know,

506
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: he says he was a handy guy around the house,

507
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: he was fixing things. It had Lacy's hair in it,

508
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: intertwined wrapped around his pliers that were in his boat.

509
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: It's maybe it's the one piece of evidence we had

510
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: that connected her to his boat. This is the direct

511
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: link and it was really the only one. And it's

512
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: not just placed on her, it's wrapped around it to

513
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: who knows what he used those pliers for and why

514
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: her hair was tangled up in it, but it was

515
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: her hair. There's no refeeding that evidence. Robert Olinsky, Crime

516
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. What can you tell me

517
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: about homemade cement blocks? Did they exist or no? They

518
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: did exist? And he had a lot of these materials Nancy,

519
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: in his storage locker where he kept the boat, and

520
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: there are some photographs of materials. Again because he was

521
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: a fertilizer salesman and he was in this business with

522
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: all these materials. The ultimate terrible point for me of

523
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: this whole case, in thinking about it, is that her

524
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: first date with Scott Peterson was he took her out

525
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: on a boat and so her life ended as it

526
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: began with this liar killer. And it's such a shame.

527
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: But yes, photograph do exist of the cement, the materials used,

528
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: the cement blocks, and he kept a lot of stuff hidden.

529
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: All his lives were in that storage locker too. Cheryl McCollums. Cheryl,

530
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the way the hair

531
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: was found on the pliers? Was the hair lying on

532
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: the pliers, was it wrapped around the pliers, was intertwined

533
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: in the plers, It was stuck to the plyers. And

534
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: the other significant thing is these pliers were also in

535
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: a toolbox. So it's not like a hair that got

536
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, loose and floated and landed in the toolbox

537
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: was actually to duck to it as though at one

538
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: time it was either wed or bloody or whatever it

539
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: might have been, but it was actually stuck, you know.

540
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: To Karen Stark, New York psychologists joining us to this day,

541
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson insists he is innocent. Well, Dancy, Scott Peterson

542
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: insisted he was in Paris. Scott Peterson insisted a lot

543
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: of things. Because I think it was Robin who said

544
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: he's a pathological liar. I've never seen a more textbook

545
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: case of someone who fits that profile. He is able

546
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: to lie very easily and believably for somebody like Amber Fry,

547
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: women who he pursued as a mistress. He lied to

548
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: the public, he lied on television, He answered phone calls

549
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: during his interview. Do you remember that his face was

550
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: completely devoid of any kind of affect. He could care

551
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: less about what was happening. He couldn't even stake it

552
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. So here's a man who so clearly

553
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: showed that he was capable of doing a crime that

554
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: most of us would not even be able to consider.

555
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: And it's just amazing that he still believes that he

556
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: can somehow convinced the world that this did not happen

557
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: when all of this proof shows that it is. You know,

558
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: he made a key decision, Ashley Willcott, not to testify.

559
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: Do you think it hurt him or helped him? You know,

560
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: I think it would not have helped him to testify.

561
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: I think regardless of what he said, I think he

562
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: would have lied because that's his m He's capable only

563
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: of line. I think that the jury would have seen

564
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: right through it, and it only would have supported the

565
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: convictions that he already received. You know, I'm thinking back

566
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: on the hair and the pliers because the big argument

567
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: on appeal as there's no direct evidence such as DNA

568
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: this hair. According to an expert, Rodney Oswald, a hair analyst,

569
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: was both hairs were mashed, splayed, and frayed by a

570
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: mechanical object, suggesting they may have been torn from someone's head.

571
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: Did you know that part, Cheryl McCollum, Nancy, here's what

572
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: I remember. Her head was missing, so when she was

573
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: recovered it was basically just for torso. So we don't

574
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: know if he removed her teeth, thinking they couldn't identify

575
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: or we don't know what he did to her. So

576
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: what it looked like to me when I first heard

577
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: that was whatever he used as the makeshift anchors, these

578
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, buckets that he had seamen in or whatever

579
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: he tied her limbs down. Well as she decomposed in

580
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: the water, the torso was the only thing that came up.

581
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: You know, I still remember, Alexis Teresha, you and I

582
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: covered it together the day that she went missing Christmas Eve.

583
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: I cannot even imagine spending the entire day of Christmas

584
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Eve covering up my wife's murder. And this was so

585
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: shocking because she is beautiful. She was about to have

586
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: our baby in two point five seconds. And to hear

587
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: the news break that this this woman was missing, and

588
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: then you see her husband, and you immediately knew that

589
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: he had something to do with it. And one of

590
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: the things that he's saying in his appeal, he's saying

591
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: that there were many things going on in the neighborhood

592
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: that proved that somebody else committed this crime. The house

593
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: across the street was broken into. There were neighbors that

594
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: said that they saw Lacy. The police investigated all of

595
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: this and none of these match, even though Scott's family

596
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: is saying now but it points to somebody else. The

597
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: police investigated this at the time and that is why

598
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: his lawyer did not bring these things up. According to

599
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: a jailhouse statement that was recorded, one of the burglars

600
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: said Lacy, he thinks Lacy saw them burglarizing the house.

601
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: They swear they burglarized the house on the twenty sixth,

602
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: after Lacy went missing. The defense is bringing up a

603
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: lot of evidence after six appeals, will this be the

604
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: one to free Scott Peterson. Listen to our friends at

605
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: Fox News, Laura Ingle. We know why he did it,

606
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: to get out of the life he had and start

607
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: a new one with a woman. He was having an

608
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: affair with Amber Fry. We all remember this. The discovery

609
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: of his affair with Fry was really the turning point

610
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: in the case after Lacy Peterson was reported missing. As

611
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: a group of experts discusses in the one hour special

612
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: Sunday where we look at an interview he gave before

613
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: his arrest, Scott Peterson never really seemed overly concerned about

614
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: finding his wife. That was something that stuck out to

615
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: all of us. But after the bodies of Lacy and

616
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: their unborn son, Connor, washed ashore, where he said he

617
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: was fishing the day she was missing, he was quickly

618
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: arrested in San Diego under suspicious circumstances. He had way

619
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: too much stuff to be just casually going out of town.

620
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: That was being prepared to be on the run for

621
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Speaker 1: a while. They catch him, They got him, they're taking

622
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: him in. He says, I've heard that there were bodies.

623
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Speaker 1: Tell me it wasn't them. He knows that it's them.

624
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: We wait for justice to unfold. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,

625
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,