WEBVTT - The Problem With Joe Rogan...and Cancel Culture 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.400 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:20.919 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Silarium. So, folks, um, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:24.640 I want to take some time today to pick up 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.200 where I left off on yesterday's Woke Wednesday with my 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:34.919 conversation about Whoopie Goldberg and her recent suspension from ABC 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:42.560 given her comments about the Holocaust. Now, I really am 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:49.040 having a lot of issues with this desire to silence 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:55.800 people and instead of using comments as a teachable moment 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:02.200 and putting people like Whoopee Goldberg in the same category 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:07.839 as a Marjorie Taylor Green or Joe Rogan and other 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.520 people on the far radical right who are anti Semites, 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:19.200 who are racists, who are the tools of white supremacy. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.600 And the problem that I have is in this country 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.200 we are at a critical juncture right which you all know. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:33.520 The desire to ban books, band discussion, band curriculum, to 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.720 suppress votes, to shut women up, to take away their 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.800 ability to choose. All of these things that are happening 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.399 are connected. And the problem that I have is that 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.200 what the right wing consistently does is that they create 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:53.840 these issues. There's much ado about nothing. They use black people, 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:59.640 people of color, people from multiple marginalized groups as their 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.640 bad ram, which is the case with Whoopee Goldberg. Did 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.960 Whoopie Goldberg misspeak when she said that the Holocaust was 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:11.520 not about race? Yes? Do most people believe that the 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.040 Holocaust was more so about faith in religion than it 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:19.640 was about race. Yes, because that's actually what we're taught, right. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:27.040 We don't have a very broad understanding of race outside 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:32.280 of the context of American racism, which is white folks 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:38.120 over here, black people and then the group of POC right, 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.760 the POC blob that we put over there. And so 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.920 there was an opportunity and continues to be an opportunity 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.520 not to suspend Whoopee Goldberg as if she had said 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:55.720 something or spreading lies or misinformation in a vindictive, manipulative, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:01.880 cruel and intentional way, as opposed to let me, as 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.760 you know, the executive producer of The View or the 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:11.840 network of ABC, model for America, how we have difficult conversations, 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.560 how we don't see each other as the enemy or 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.160 as the villain, but instead can see this as an 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:25.120 opportunity to expand conversations about anti Semitism, about the about 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:30.600 the construct of race, right, and how we how it 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.960 is used, how it is used as a tool for 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:38.000 a white supremacists to be able to pit, marginalize and 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:43.120 oppress groups against each other while they reign supreme right like. 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:48.920 And so when we are seeing right now these what 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:53.840 is happening in Virginia with junkins Virginia and the desire 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.480 to ban curriculum it under the guise of parental control, 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.120 but it is what is it at its core, the 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:04.640 ability to erase and whitewash history and present white people 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:10.320 the Christian faith in a particular light while ignoring, demeaning, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:15.560 or just fully invisibilizing everyone else who had a part 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:21.320 in the American story right, in creating the American narrative. Right, 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:26.240 White people don't own that. Right, Christian people don't own that. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:32.640 And so here we have this situation that has been 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.919 in my humble opinion, and I will use my co 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.080 host on democracy is washahat Ali, which if you're not 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.600 listening to Democracy Ish, which comes out today on all 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.120 of the podcast platforms, you should. It's a weekly conversation 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.559 that I have with the brilliant washahat Ali, And he said, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:55.120 you know what, white supremacy wants is for those of 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.159 us that are melanated, those of us that pray different, 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.719 love different, look different, of these things, to be the 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:07.080 sidekicks in our own story. Right, that we have no backstory, 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:13.400 We have no real connection to the fabric of America, right, 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:18.600 other than being there for white people's entertainment, right, or 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.280 to be their scapegoat, or to be a combination of 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:28.960 the two. And so I think that this cancelation is 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:33.800 not something, let's be honest, that probably a majority of 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:38.720 people from the Jewish faith wanted, right. It was an 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:46.280 overcorrection by ABC based on the hysteria that was created 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:51.800 by the radical right as a way to pit I 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:58.320 believe black people and Jewish people who have had a 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.920 tenuous historical over relationship against one another, and get this, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:09.120 guess who gets to win? The white supremacists, right, because 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:13.720 while we are busy attacking each other, they're reigning supreme. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.839 You know. The other thing that has come up is 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.440 this conversation around well, look at Joe Rogan and how 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.280 come he's not canceled blah blah, Because the radical right 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.600 does not give a fuck, right, they don't care if 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.440 their people are anti Semitic. They don't care if the 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:34.039 people are. As a matter of fact, it bodes better 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.799 for them with their red bass and their racist bass 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.400 if they hold up these people as martyrs. Like they're 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.359 looking at Joe Rogan, the one hundred million dollar podcast 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.640 man and saying, oh, they're trying to cancel and silence him. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:52.200 He has tens of millions of listeners who are listening 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.320 to the bullshit lies that he is spreading about a 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.520 global health pandemic. He is actually a day danger to 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:06.960 society at this critical juncture. Right, And yet you have 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:13.400 Whoopee Goldberg being placed in the same bushel as these 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:18.840 people that are actively trying to mislead people, to misguide them, right, 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:26.040 that are actively or rating such horrific stereotypes, right, that 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:30.440 are leading to the rise in anti semitism and hate 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:35.120 crimes across the board. And so it's like, why can't 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.600 we have these conversations. Why can't we walk and choo 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:43.320 gum at the same time. Why is having a misstep right, 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:48.320 not an opportunity not to punish people, but to teach them. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:54.040 And how are we if we're not truly understanding who 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:58.000 our allies are and who the villains are then, how 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.440 are we fighting this war that the radical right is 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:07.680 waging against common sense, against truth, against facts right, and 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:13.120 against everyone who doesn't subscribe to their scarcity white supremacist, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:19.680 violent ideology. I'm so confused, folks. And I'm just like, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.720 and by confused, I mean just pissed off, like I'm 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.560 tired of the bullshit. I really am. I find it exhausting. 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.840 And when I saw Whoopi Goldberg's name trending, I was 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.400 just like, oh my god. She couldn't possibly have said 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:37.880 something like horrific, right, could she? After all of these years, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.400 all of this knowing, all of this learning, and when 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.880 I read it and heard it, and again, I am 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.840 not part of the aggrieved community, but I can say, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:53.520 as an educator, right that there is an opportunity to 0:08:53.960 --> 0:09:00.440 model conversation right for the purpose of expansiveness and to 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.840 really hone our critical thinking skills as opposed to just 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:11.960 erasing conversation from the jump set right. Because here's what happened. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:18.240 You have a school district in Tennessee which is looking 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:24.760 to erase the Holocaust from history right from their curriculum. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.880 What kind of adverse effect is that going to have? 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.400 For these generations of students that will not learn about 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:38.360 this atrocious period in our history. The not knowing right, 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:43.640 the purposeful under education and mis education, is going to 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:48.000 have long term effects on our country. And I don't 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.080 just mean it in the oh, well, we won't know 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.480 about each other. I'm talking about it to our workforce, 0:09:54.840 --> 0:10:01.319 to our ability to be globally competitive. Right. What happens 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:07.240 when you take away critical thinking, when you don't teach it, 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.720 when you don't teach young people to question, and now 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.280 you hold up others as an example as to why 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.000 you even can't have missteps or ask questions, And then 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.360 what does that do? It allows people to have false 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.040 ideology and false beliefs, right, that are based on stereotypes, 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:32.080 and just keep them quiet talking to other people that 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:37.400 think like them, as opposed to exposing them to a 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.880 different way to think, to an expansive philosophy, to a 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:45.319 deeper understanding of what race actually is and the construct 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.440 and how it has been used as a political tool, right, 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:53.280 and a violent tool. I just I'm so sick and 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:58.760 tired of this country. And you know, one of the 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.720 reasons why I had I went into the classroom was 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.800 for this reason. How are we building up a global 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:12.960 citizen tury? How are we expanding and strengthening the minds 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.000 of tomorrow to become the leaders and the innovators and 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:20.520 the changemakers right like and the representatives? What does what 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.920 does our country look like? With all of this whitewashing 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:30.480 and bubblegum education. It's not going to bode well. Coming 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.600 up next, folks, I get into conversation with columnists at 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:40.160 The Grio, returning guests Michael Harriet to talk about his 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:45.280 article about Joe Rogan and white boys right and what 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.120 it is that they're able to get away with and 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.480 the conversations that they have that the rest of us 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.160 do not, and whether or not right we should be 0:11:53.240 --> 0:12:00.280 looking to eradicate these people as opposed to figuring out 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.480 how to understand them if there is an understanding to 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:08.000 be had. It's an interesting conversation that we that Michael 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.720 and I get into, and I'll be excited to hear 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.400 what you all think, So please do let me know 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.640 in the comment section, or tweet me out or hit 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.360 me up on Instagram and tell me what you think 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:24.040 of the conversation. And you can check out Michael's writing 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:29.440 at the Grio, The Grio dot com, g Riio dot 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:36.480 com friends, I am very happy to welcome back to 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.520 wok F Michael Harriet, who is a columnist at The 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.199 Grio and wrote a piece on January twenty first entitled 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:49.000 the Problem with the Joe Rogan and White Boys. Michael, 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:53.720 welcome back, and your article hit a lot of nerves 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.360 with a lot of folks and spoke a lot of truth. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.320 Why is Joe Rogan such a problem? Like? What? Why? 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:07.079 Other than the fact that he is, you know, thee 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:11.760 hundred million dollar man for Spotify, he is considered one 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.560 of the most consequential, if not the most consequential podcaster 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:21.240 on the globe. Um and yet he spreads so much, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:30.400 so much misinformation? What is What is your major gripe 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.680 with him and and his followers, who I don't even 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:38.640 think are as bright as he is. Okay, Well, first 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.680 of all, I wouldn't say that I had a gripe. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.280 Uh no, I no, no, no, I say I say 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.679 that I have a gripe with Joe Rogan. That's why. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.360 But I won't put where I do not not. You 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.199 go ahead, well, I'll say that that there is a 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.800 problem with Joe Rogan and I know it seems like, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.640 you know, people on the Internet will say, well, that's 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:05.120 just clear bait or that's just you know, somebody trying 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:11.160 to be hyperbolic. But I really feel like most of 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.160 the problem with Joe Rogan is that he is a 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:22.320 white dude. Right. So, so when like, first of all, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.120 let me preface it was said, like, I've listened to hundreds, 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:30.480 literally hundreds of episodes of Joe Rogan. If you know, 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:35.320 I'm not a Spotify subscriber. If I was a Spotify subscriber, 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.280 I would probably still be listening to Joe Rogan because, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.640 you know, as someone who writes about right wing issues 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.240 and racism, I don't think you could write about anything 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.800 if you don't carefully examine and listen to the other 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:54.720 side without an open mind. But that's not why I 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.360 just I just found him interesting. But even when he 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.880 added people who I didn't agree with on his part, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.560 guess I will still listening to. And ultimately, what I 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:09.040 think Joe Rogan is is he's a very curious person, 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:15.760 right And his podcast is him sitting down with you know, 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.800 someone who he finds interesting and talking to him for 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:26.160 like three hours. Right, So a lot of times. Many 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.520 of the people who he finds interesting are people who 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.960 are toxic, right. And you know, when you think about 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:39.320 Joe Rogan, he is a UFC commentator. If you know 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.240 his backstory, you know he was into Tae Kwon Doe 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.040 since he was you know, like a little kiddy. Is 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.680 a pretty liberal person if you you know, listen to 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:54.200 him a lot. But I think him and a lot 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.040 of people in his audience. You know, if you look 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.000 at the demographics of his audience, and it is predominantly white, 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:03.600 predominantly young white males, and a lot of those people 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:08.800 when they have that you know, that affinity for being edgy, right, Um, 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.360 he is a comedian who's known for being edgy, being 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:18.600 you know, aggressive. A lot of those people are susceptible 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.240 to white supremacist is the same group that like the 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.240 what we used to call the right recruits from, like 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:31.840 white supremacists, that's who they recruit because they have this danger, uh, 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.320 this this edginess to them that they court danger. You know. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.960 There there's a friend of mine who is a poet 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.240 who talks about like black people don't need to ski 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.440 down the side of a volcano because we could just 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:51.240 drive our car pass the police, right, right, right, but right, 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.120 And it sounds like a joke, but in a sense 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.440 like that's the same kind of of danger that they 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.520 lack in their lives that they coat. They it gets 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.960 their heart pumping, you know. And so when you listen 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.280 to Joe Rogan, he will invite these people on who 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:13.520 have ideas like uh, you know, like uh Graham Hancock, 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:20.560 who is so called Egyptologists who believes that the Pyramids 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.480 are over five thousand years old. He thinks they're they're 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.280 accurate data is twelve thousand years old. Adds to a 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:33.240 lot of archaeologists, and they're you know people. He will 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.400 have people on who are just comedians, some of them 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.800 are just as friends, and some of them are people 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.479 who experiment with you know, I tried ayahuasca because of 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:47.280 Joe Rogan after listening to Joe Rogan, right, and so 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.280 so it's a bunch of disparate interesting stuff. But when 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.639 he gets to talking about race, he really doesn't know 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.240 what he talked he's talking about, and again it's because 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.040 he is a white dude. Right, So you can play 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:08.399 along or tamper with these toxic ideas and examine them 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.679 in the public view while millions, tens of millions of 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.520 people are listening. Because if you say something wrong, it 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.800 don't affect you, right, right, Like, It's just like to him, 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:26.600 you know, racism is no different than a pyramid in Egypt, Right, 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.760 it is okay, it's something that interests him, right, and 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:36.200 he has a lot of different interests. Well, when you 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.639 listen to him talk about race. One of the reasons 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.600 that I had to stop listening to him is because 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.840 not knowing what he talks about, it perpetuates this idea 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.320 to his listeners because just like you know, one of 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.320 the reasons people are now holding him accountable is because 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.159 of COVID. So we will have just regular people on 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:04.200 who kind of sound smart talking about COVID, and it'll 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:10.800 be misinformation or disinformation. Well, you know, there are hundreds 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.399 of scientists out here now who are talking about COVID, 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.960 who are giving out the right information. But his listeners 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.880 might not necessarily hear somebody talk that correctly about race. Right, 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.440 So when he says, for instance, and this is the 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.600 exact reason I stopped listenings, I had to turn them off. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.280 One day, as he was talking about the lawsuit at 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:41.120 Harvard where Asian students sued Harvard for discrimination, and he 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:46.160 said that, you know, it's racism, and I was screaming 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.400 at the radio, no, like you don't understand what racism is. Like, 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:54.400 what they're arguing is that the system that Harvard has 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.760 in place, they adhere to that system, but they it's 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.199 not benefiting them like it benefits white people. But the 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:09.240 truth is, right, a private institution can structure its submissions 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:14.960 policy right. And Joe Rogan would know that though, right, 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:20.159 Joe Rogan would know that when you are considering admitting 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.199 someone to college, and because these Asian students, you know, 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:27.399 they you know, they alleged that they are being kept 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.840 out of Harvard um to admit like affirmative action, black people, 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.800 hisspatic people. And I want to show them that. You know, 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.440 when you talk about who letting the best students in, right, 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.879 you can't calculate that by SAT scores, right, because the 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:50.000 study show, like there's a mountain of data that shows 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:54.399 that the people who earned the most money score the 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.120 best on the SATs. It doesn't really have anything to 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:03.560 do with how much you know. In fact, students with 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.560 high incomes and whose parents are college graduates tend to 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.919 score the most. It's it's more of a marker of 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.600 how much your parents earned than work. Yeah, it's more 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:18.359 of class, right of class, and and and access. And 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:23.080 Asian Americans are the highest earners in America, not excluding 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:27.119 white people. They earn more on average than white people. 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:34.880 And the fact is that the most American children, Black children, 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.600 attend schools that are underfunded, most of them. It's like 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:42.520 sixty six percent of Black children attending majority black schools, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.960 and majority of black schools are underfunded, are underfunded about 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.800 about two thousand and six and two thousand, two hundred 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:55.439 and sixty six dollars per student. So you can't discount 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.919 that when you're talking about the best students, right, Right, 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.840 these schools, Black schools generally don't have the resources to have, 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:11.560 for instance, ap biology program or at ap us history program. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:16.040 So you're judging them on a sliding scale, right where 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.399 it is really about money. And we know that the 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:24.840 SAT doesn't prett predict success in college, right, it just 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:31.160 predicts the success for the first year. Right, So you're 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.679 you're when you're talking about racism, and this is a 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.920 good example, you're not you don't know what you're talking about. 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.000 You haven't considered all of the factors, because you've got 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:47.159 to consider this, right, is if a student from a 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:52.760 majority black, underfunded school gets a thirteen twenty on the 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:59.000 SAT and an Asian American student gets a fourteen hundred 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.359 on the SAT while attending the best school, the best 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:06.639 having them being able to afford the best test prep, 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.280 then who is the better student, right, the one that 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.439 had most to overcome and in order to get in 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:17.480 order to get even remotely close to the score that 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:21.320 you got easily, right. And it's just like your breakdown 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:25.399 of that is so important because when we have these 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:30.400 like arbitrary fifty thousand foot conversations, particularly around college entrance, 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.679 all of those other factors are not taken into consideration 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:38.040 when we're talking about being quote unquote well rounded, right, Like, 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.760 what is what does that actually mean? So to me, yes, 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.280 that student, the black student at the underfunded school that 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:48.159 managed to get a thirteen twenty when statistically that was 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:52.040 going to be like a moonshot, should be the one 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.119 that's lavished with all of the things. Because if you 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.920 were given even half of what the Asian student had 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.639 or the white student had, then that shows me that 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.879 you would be able to leap over them by leaps 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:09.800 and bounds. Right If if you were watching an Olympic race, 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:15.639 and you know, the white kid won and the black 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.960 kid was like point zero two seconds behind them, but 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:20.960 then at the end of the race, after the finish line, 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:26.280 you realize that the black kid had waited fast on 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:30.399 his back, then you could all you could say that 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.800 the white kid won, but he wasn't the fastest runner. Now, 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:37.240 if you were trying to choose the fastest runner versus 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:40.640 the person who got to the finish line first, those 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.280 are two different things, right, And then you know there 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.919 are so many more things, Like you can't talk about 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.119 education and a silo, right because you have to also 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:53.760 consider this even if you're not talking about private schools 0:24:53.800 --> 0:25:00.639 like how like Harvard, when you talking about public institutions, Well, Alabama, 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:05.520 for instance, I attended college at Auburn University, of the 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:10.120 largest public institution in Auburn, it's four percent black, right, 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:17.720 So Alabama it's twenty seven percent black. So what that 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:21.280 means is you're taking all of those black people's tax 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:27.080 money and giving it to white kids. Right. And you're 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.240 not just doing that in the college, but because you 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:34.679 do that on the the K through twelve level. You 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.639 can say, oh, man, we just want the best students 0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:39.600 when we get to college, because you gave all of 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:43.879 the money to the white kids, right, and you and 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:45.879 you have to consider those things, and you have to 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:50.840 there's like too many factors to consider to just call 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:56.600 just to reduce it down to a simple idea a racism. 0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:00.000 Joe Rogan doesn't know these things. But if you don't 0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:04.320 include those things, all of the people listening will say, man, 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:09.040 they're just letting black kids in because they are black. 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:12.800 They don't get they don't achieve as much as the 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.480 white students. And there is really that perception. And the 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.720 reason that perception exists is because people they've heard that 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:23.080 so many times. And then you don't even consider the 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:27.160 fact that, aside from the educational aspects of it, right, 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:31.160 and the achievement aspects of it, right, there's the studies 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:35.640 that show that the people who get in to Harvard 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.560 and Ivy League schools to the biggest loopoles or what 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:43.840 they call a LDCs. Right. So there's athletic scholarships, legacy students, 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:50.720 children of faculty and staff, and what they call a 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:54.000 dean's exception. Right, People, the dean those that have a 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.679 lot of money. Right, those people are disproportionately white. And 0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:00.720 I know you're thinking, well, you know, athleticships, but when 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.960 you think about athletic scholarships, people don't realize that you're 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.639 not really talking about black. White kids get most of 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.520 the athletic scholarships. You got football, basketball, and that's it. 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.600 The tennant scholarships, the golf scholarships, the baseball scholarships, the 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.760 gymnastics scholarships, the soccer team scholarship, all of those are 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.639 going to the white kids. Defensive scholarships at schools like Harvard, 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:24.480 those are going to the white kids. So the people 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:29.040 who are really displacing the Asian American students are the 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:34.520 rich white kids, right, who already have the resources. And 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:40.920 so talking about this specific topic in a silo, which 0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:45.199 Joe Rogan would do, he doesn't understand and I and 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.040 that's the point of that conversation is when you compare 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:52.359 it to COVID, right, he doesn't. He doesn't know what 0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.199 he's talking about. With COVID. Joe Rogan's was not a doctor. 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.400 So when you invite somebody on to have this conversation 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.679 with Joe Rogan about OVID and they also are not 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:05.080 a doctor, and they also have this point. But the 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.720 listeners hear a smart person using big birds to talk 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.000 about this this topic that they've thought a lot about, 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.040 then they assume, oh, I heard it, I learned it 0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.800 from Joe Rogan. Right, So is it is it, Michael, 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:23.520 that all of the people, the doctors, the medical professionals. 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:27.400 I'm just just on this point. Nobody asked for Joe 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.879 Rogan to be removed from Spotify, right, because that that 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:35.200 is like a huge misnomer. What they asked for was 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:41.080 a disclaimer before and after the program to essentially highlight 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.400 the fact that much in the same way that I've 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.840 been calling for, you know, the FCC to do with 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:51.160 Fox News, this is for your entertainment, right, This is 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.120 not for your education, This is not for your betterment. 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.640 And I wonder if, like, is this is this the 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.960 point point to where we are and why he is 0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:07.440 different than let's say, A Howard Stern was thirty years 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:12.280 before him, right, that like it, it was very evident 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.720 that A Howard was for entertainment, that did the shock 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:17.880 jock thing, that did all of these things. But he 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:22.120