1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't come a 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: step I never told your production I high radio, and 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: welcome to us going on ransom about some of the 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: articles we found our women happiness. Yeah, this is part two. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: It is a part two, and I feel like we 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: could have a part three, part four. We're really hoping 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: to hear from you listeners. Yes, we do want to 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: part three with your opinions. Yes, yes, we're too for 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: a listener mail segment, so send those our way to 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: check out part one if you haven't already, Because apparently 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: people have a lot of thoughts on women and happiness 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: and it's not great. It's not great. So picking back up, Yeah, 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: we did recently just read a couple of articles. One 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: was specifically about the fact that feminism was killing happiness, 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: essentially from a twenty one article written from a conservative perspective, 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: and about why you know, happiness can be found through 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: utilizing our bodies. So that's at the end of the article. 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: And then we also talked about the fact that Dolan, 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: who we did talk about this report, previously said the 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: single women, single childish women, maybe what is the higher 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: happier population, which, yeah, we talked about all of that. 22 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: But we're continuing on with a couple more articles, and 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: one's actually a comic. I believe Aubrey Hirsch, who uh 24 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: spotlighted this article but then also did the illustrations and 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: the writing for this comic. So uh, if you want 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: to go look at it, you should again. It's written 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: by Aubrey Hirsch in the vox. Uh, women are increasingly unhappy. 28 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: This comic explains why or women happy, chores, gender gap okay, 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: and it's part of the happiness issue of the highlight 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: of Fox. Okay. So here we go. So hopefully I 31 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: do this justice because it is a comic, you're supposed 32 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: to be reading it as she gets it from different reports. 33 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: So it starts with a science that says Women's Strike 34 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: for peace and equality. American women have made progress since 35 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. Women today are better educated and better paid 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: than we were in nineteen seventy, so it has a 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: well Graphs continues on. We have more support in our 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: work at home as well as more opportunities outside the home. 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: We've made real gains towards equal rights and reproductive freedom. 40 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: And yet in the decades between nineteen seventy and two 41 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: thousand five, women's self reported happiness scores have declined, both 42 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: in the absolute and relative to men's scores. Um There 43 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: isn't any more recent data on the phenomenon, but additionally, 44 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: studies have shown trends and women's psychology that helped answer 45 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: the troubling question If women have made so many substantive 46 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: gains in the last fifty years, why are we less happy? 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: One culprit might be the women's changing x difectations. As 48 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: our opportunities in life and work increase, so did our 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: opportunities to compare ourselves not just to other women, but 50 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: to the men around us. Our expanding awareness of our 51 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: persisting limitations might cause us to report feeling less happy. 52 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: The growing complexity of women's lives may also be a factor. 53 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy, a woman who was primarily a homemaker 54 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: might judge her happiness based solely on her family life, 55 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: whereas a woman fifty years later might be considering circumstances 56 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: at home and at work. All of this is good news, 57 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: since it suggests that is our frame of reference for 58 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: happiness that may have shifted and the bar has been raised. 59 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: But another explanation for the persistence of the male female 60 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: happiness gap is that men may have reaped more than 61 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: their share of benefits from the women's movement. Marriage economists 62 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Betsy Steveson and Justin wolf First speculate that wild men 63 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: enjoy the spoils of sexual revolution. They are far less 64 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: impacted by the decline of traditional families and rising economic inequality, 65 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: and although men's contributions have increased, women still do, on average, 66 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: more than twice the house work that men do, according 67 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: to the leading family researcher Scott Coltrane. Because women's increasing 68 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: participation in the workforce has not been met with a 69 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 1: proportionally decreasing responsibilities at home, many women are now forced 70 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: to work what sociologists Arlie Russell, hush Child, and and 71 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: Machan called the second shift that cuts into our leisure time. 72 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: This exposes some of the work we still need to 73 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: do until we can enjoy real equality in every sphere. 74 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: Women's happiness is bound to lag behind men's. And then 75 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: if you go loy she has a little hierarchy of 76 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: needs for women. Essentially at the bottom bodily autonomy, second 77 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: of safety, the justice, then education, then work, then at 78 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: the top home. M that's an interesting I've never seen this, 79 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: especially now that we're finally close enough to see what 80 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: we're missing. So that was the end of it. Um Again, 81 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: this is twenty nineteen, and we talked about this in 82 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: reference to the pandemic, and I found that interesting. And 83 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: that again that hierarchy pyramid that they had created specifically 84 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: for women's happiness, that was interesting. I've never seen that. Yeah, 85 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: And I think, again, if you haven't listened to part one, 86 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: and go listen to it. But I think that's a 87 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: really good point that has made in this comic, is 88 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: that it's also maybe the bars shifting because as women 89 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: moved into the workplace, we were like, wait, so now 90 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing this job, but also still expected to do 91 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: this thing from before, which is like the housecare and 92 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: the child care and all this stuff. And and I 93 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: we talked about it in a recent book club, but 94 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: that the idea of men really reaping the benefits from 95 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: the women's movement in terms of like the sexual revolution 96 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: where they don't have to raise the children if that, 97 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: if that happens, and that kind of being the impetus 98 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: for why abortion became such a big hot button issue. 99 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point to make too, 100 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: because obviously it is important. It is kind of like 101 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: our whole thing, but there's still use societal inequalities where 102 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: men are benefiting. Oh, you're now, and also you'll still 103 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: do the house so I can take care of the kids. Fantastic, 104 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: but you're going to cook dinner. Yeah, And that found 105 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: it interesting because we talked about this in previous episode 106 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: when we were talking about the fact that the feminist 107 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: movement was based on women going to work and leaving 108 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: the home, but that is behind the women who do 109 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: want to stay at home and having to shift both 110 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: narratives and not being able to be a part of 111 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: that movement because I'm no, no, no no, you need to 112 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: get out. But it was also very like, oh, this 113 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: is very classist as well as racist to to not 114 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: think about all of these other underlying needs here. But 115 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: this is kind of that same conversation of like the 116 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: bar has been changed. What we have now focused on 117 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: is important, leaves behind what needs to be addressed as well, 118 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: but we don't want to focus on it because that's 119 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: too much of an old school idea for us to 120 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: look at, and that includes who does work at the 121 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: home and how do you share it? And how do 122 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: you become equal, not just out in the work place, 123 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: which is what we could typically focus on, because you know, 124 00:07:54,440 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: money and paychecks are measurable, right right. And I think 125 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: also just the it's unfortunately been very effective the kind 126 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: of anti feminism narrative and a lot of these things 127 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: that we talked about, even any like strategic incompetence, where 128 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: it's for a lot of women, the bar is just 129 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: of success is just higher and expectations is just higher. Um. 130 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: That is something we feel ourselves because we were raised 131 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: that way, but it's also put on us. And so 132 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: I think that's a part of this too, is that 133 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: whole like you can have it all, you can do 134 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: it all, and then we'll give you like the most 135 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: passing of smattering praise and then not give you any 136 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: raises or anything, but like, oh wow, you were able 137 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: to do all of that. I can't believe it. How 138 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: do you do it anyway? Because you've done it, we 139 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: expect it. Will be disappointed if you can't keep doing it, exactly, 140 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: I won't keep doing it. And if you have children, 141 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: it's so hard. It's just very effective to use children 142 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: and against women in that argument of well, there are 143 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: going to suffer if you don't step up, or if 144 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: you don't do those things, or you're not fit for 145 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: the workplace if you care too much about your children exactly, 146 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: because then you don't care as much about your work. Right, Oh, 147 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: you're just a woman thinking about babies. But yeah, I 148 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: also really did like the idea as you were saying, 149 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: is that mindset? And they do talk about that at 150 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: the beginning, about the fact that we put pressure on ourselves, 151 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: but we don't necessarily it's that society puts pressure on us. 152 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to the first article that we talked about 153 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: in part one where they're like, oh, they just want 154 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: to blame the patriarchy. But if a system existed in 155 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: order to keep maintain power for one specific gender, one 156 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: specific rays, then yeah, they're still to blame and we 157 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: should call it out. So stop shaming that. And that 158 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: is that conversation. Is that because we have to? I mean, 159 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: god damn it. The fact that we're talking about Supreme 160 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: Court us this nominee Katangi Brown Jackson and the fact 161 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: that she's so overly qualified. Literally the people who oppose her, 162 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham said, she's amazing, She's qualified, I'm going to vote. 163 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: Note that tells you right there, right there, what kind 164 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: of system is set up. And it's not just a mindset, 165 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: because she has completely proven herself repeatedly with these obnoxious 166 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: questions that have nothing to do with being a judge 167 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: or Supreme Court justice. But yet, yeah, she's deemed as 168 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: not qualified by a certain group of people who want 169 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: to maintain a status quo. Yeah, And I think that 170 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: that is part of what we're talking about here, because again, 171 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: these are articles that sort of popped up early into 172 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: Google Search when it's like women in happiness and like 173 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: one of the first ones is like feminism is ringing happiness, 174 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: and the other one it's like, oh, single women are 175 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: more happy, and then this one is like happiness is 176 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: going down. But here's why. And I think that that's 177 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: I believe I said this in the last one too. 178 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: Is it's worth seeing these interests we're seeing that we're 179 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: seeing this very qualified woman being told like that doesn't 180 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: matter essentially, And so we've talked about this in so 181 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: many episodes because I think of gaming to where it's like, well, 182 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: that will that women come in and play with us, 183 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: but only if they play second stream. They play by 184 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: our rules. They're still for us to look at there, 185 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: still like we are in control of this. You're just 186 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: for us, and it's so cute. You want to play 187 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: in this like sandbox with us, but if you rock 188 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: anything in this boat, you're out. We're gonna yell at 189 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: you to go make a sandwich. Which, by the way, 190 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: every time I've seen a TikTok video of women gamers 191 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: coming int and just destroying these dudes who were like, 192 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: oh jeez, coming in all you know you hear the 193 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: I guess is it uh? Twitch streamers who play with 194 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: each other. I don't know games, y'all. Things I don't understand. 195 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: But at one point, you know you're here to do 196 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: saying oh, here she comes, blah blah blah, and she 197 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: may not say anything. Typically the women don't say anything. 198 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: They just come in. You see a picture of our 199 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: face smiling because she knows she's about to rip them. 200 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: And then when she starts, they're like, oh man, what 201 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: is she doing to do? What are you doing? And 202 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: like yelling at her, and then she will say something 203 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: along along the lines of oh, I thought you said 204 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: that no one could do that. I'm here to help 205 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: you out. And then go make us a sandwich and 206 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: then essentially running away from her after she beats their ass. 207 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that constantly need and like seriously that 208 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: one phrase is continually set go make us a sandwich? 209 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: Is that the key phrase that I don't know about. 210 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: Is that supposed to be like a trigger button thing 211 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: that where the boys come in pile on. I don't know. 212 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean because I remember when I was at Georgia 213 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: Tech and there was like a hilly Clinton rallies. Somebody 214 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: people came and showed up and said that like to 215 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: go back to the kitchen, um, go make it is 216 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: a sandwich. So I think that's a very like just 217 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: trying to reduce women and make them kind of the 218 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: subservient position. I mean, couldn't it be like go make 219 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: us a pot roast. It's much more difficult. I guess 220 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: it depends on the sandwich. But I do think I 221 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: do think that that that kind of constant like you 222 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: can't escape these things. Right If I go to play 223 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: a video game, then it's always like a reminder to 224 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: me that I'm viewed this way. And I think that's 225 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: also a piece of this puzzle of like why women 226 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: aren't as happy because it's just a constant deluge of 227 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: sexist nonsense that you have to like have the strength 228 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: to combat it when even internally you might be dealing 229 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: with imposter syndrome or whatever it is right in the 230 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: face of all of this. On and again we talked 231 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: about imposter syndrome and the fact that this imposter syndome 232 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: is not necessarily just that we think that we can't 233 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: do it. It's been that it's been ingrained into our 234 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: minds and repeatedly told that we can't do it. So 235 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: it's not just us pretending that we can't. It's because 236 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: we've been told. So we need to lay it the 237 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: responsibility where it needs to be laid. But you know something, 238 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: on top of what we've been researching in this and 239 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: as we're reading these articles, of course with that, it 240 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: showed us a lot of articles about where people are happy. 241 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: And there was one article and it wasn't just about women, 242 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: but about just being happy. So we wanted to end 243 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: with this article, which is titled want to make your 244 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: country happier? Elect Women. This came out um and it 245 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: was by Rhean Eisler and Robin Baker and I hope. 246 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing that correctly, um and it was in Miss magazine, 247 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: So here's some quotes from that. Happiness has often perceived 248 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: as an elusive feeling, a fleeting moment in a person's life. 249 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: National happiness might sound absurd, but a recent study by 250 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: the United Nations reveals that happiness can actually be a 251 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: public policy with highly successful results. One World Happiness Report 252 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: shows that high levels of government spending on human infrastructure, 253 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: the services and systems that improve people's quality of life, 254 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: are the key to happiness. The top ranked countries of 255 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: the World Happiness Reports share this high level of public 256 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: investment and human infrastructure. Finland came in first for the 257 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: fourth year in a row, followed by Denmark, Switzerland, Iceland 258 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: and the Netherlands. They have very healthy market economies precisely 259 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: because they invest heavily in caring for people starting at birth. 260 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: These countries are not socialists, they simply have more women 261 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: in leadership positions. Finland, for example, past the Parliament Act 262 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: to give women the right to vote and run for 263 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: parliam nentry elections in nineteen o six, much earlier than 264 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: the US, and today women are about half of Finland's 265 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: national legislature. However, neither the World Happiness Report nor policymakers 266 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: acknowledge the connection between the two. Human infrastructure is supported 267 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: by women and leading government positions. This correlation can be 268 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: explained by another still generally ignored fact that care works, 269 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: such as caring for children and the elderly, has been 270 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: devalued under a hidden gendered system of values that has 271 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: gone along with the ranking of men masculinity over women femininity. 272 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: Women in leadership positions understand this historic pattern and that 273 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: its solution lies in providing more choices to families for 274 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: access to public services that help nurture human development and 275 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: balance the gender division of labor. Therefore, the presence of 276 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: women and government leads to more caring policies that support 277 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: human infrastructure for all, from high quality early education to 278 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: universal health care. However, the participation of women in a 279 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: government's policy making requires a pre existing high status of 280 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: women in general. International studies show that the status of 281 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: women is a powerful predict of a nation's general equality 282 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: of life and economic success. Already in based on statistical 283 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: data from eighty nine nations, the Center for Partnership Studies 284 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: published report titled Women, Men, and the Global quality of life, 285 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: demonstrating this exact correlation. Since then, other studies such as 286 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: the World Value Survey and the World Economic Forums at 287 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: Gender gap reports have also confirmed the correlation between a 288 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: country's standards of living and economy and the statusfy women. 289 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: The rise of women's status empowers women to run for government. Nonetheless, 290 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: little attention has been given to the economic success of 291 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: the nations with the lowest gender gaps, such as Finland, Norway, 292 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: Denmark and Sweden. In reality, a higher valuing of the 293 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: stereotypical feminine caring, caregiving, and non violence is not only 294 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: good for women, it is also good for men and 295 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: children of both genders, as well as for business. Okay, 296 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I had a moment of like 297 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: having to hold it in when we talked about care work, 298 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yes, I shouted again. But this is 299 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: obviously a stark contrast from the first article that we 300 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: read at the beginning of this two parter, when it 301 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: does talk about the fact that from birth to death 302 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: you expect us to take care of women and children, 303 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: and this is like, oh yeah, seriously, that makes us 304 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: happy from birth to death. And I will say this 305 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: is also this magazine is a little is biased and 306 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: that it is less leaning like us. So I'm not 307 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: gonna say because the other one I did say is conservative. 308 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: This is definitely less leaning as well as a fact. 309 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: Though unlike the other report where I had to try 310 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: to click on the research that they penned for us 311 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: that went to another conservative article without the actual I 312 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: could not get to the Pew research unless I just 313 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: type it in by myself, this one actually does highlight 314 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: the actual Like you click on it, it takes you 315 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: to that actual statistics and study. So something to be 316 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: said about that. But I love everything about this article. Um. 317 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: It is an implication of where the U S is 318 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: and and if you read the whole article, the bottom 319 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: talks about the current administration and what they are doing, 320 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: how they're trying to fix it. We're not talking about that. 321 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: We're just talking about the study that they're talking about. 322 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: Finland has been the number one happiest country. Of course, 323 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: there's a whole other conversation about the intersectionality of it 324 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: all and who is able to thrive in those areas. Absolutely, 325 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: and we can come back to that, and we should 326 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: come back to that. But the overall fact that yes, 327 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: helping women and having women in leadership actually makes everyone happy. 328 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: That just makes so much sense to me. I mean, 329 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: because you know, women are alf the population and they 330 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: do have these historically different areas that they've been living 331 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: in and in terms of like raising children and being 332 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: the ones responsible for that largely, and the like undervalued 333 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: care work which we were talking about is I mean, 334 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: that's huge. If you have somebody come in and be like, no, 335 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: this is important and we need this, and that's going 336 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: to help our economy and it's going to help happiness, 337 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: and that's going to just uplift all of the actions 338 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: of our country. To me, that just makes sense. Right. 339 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: And here's the other part to this, because that first 340 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: article got me heated and the fact that it was 341 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: one of the first things I could find. I was like, 342 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: we talked about the unity, and this is talking about 343 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, and and the article make sure to say 344 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: these countries are not socialists, because we know the word 345 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: socialism has really sparked a lot of anger and along 346 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: political lines. But when it comes to like the biblical 347 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: essence of community that has been disbanded in the conservative ideas. 348 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: From what I've gathered, that whole conversation when she says 349 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: the unintentionally dystopian portrait thought up during the Obama administration, 350 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: which is hilarious, was meant to let us know that 351 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: government is here to supply our every need from birth 352 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: to death without placing any kind of demands on our behavior. 353 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: So obviously it was like, you need to take responsibility 354 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: from birth to death. La da da. You don't need help, 355 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: It's obvious what's being said. It's saying that you need 356 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: to be able to take care of your own and 357 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: take care of your responsibilities. We're not going to help you, 358 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: just deal with it, even though the Crisis Pregnancy Center 359 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: really you said they do help, but they don't. You 360 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: just said it will start you on a path. But 361 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: they also say, you know, you need to take responsibility 362 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: and not expect any kind of demands. Blah blah blah. 363 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: And then we have this article showing an example where 364 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: they say they have a very healthy market precisely because 365 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: they invest heavily and caring for people starting at birthright, 366 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: which is a stark contrast and what she is saying. 367 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: But we have an example here of what is working. 368 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: And we know that this country was based on very 369 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: conservative religious ideas like what she just said. Yeah, And 370 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that we've talked before about in 371 00:21:53,480 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: this country specifically how we um really we really hold 372 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: up like capitalist ideas and work and making money and 373 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: you do it on your own, you pull yourself up 374 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: by your own boots chaps, and we've made that into 375 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: like a mid like an ideology, this is what you want, 376 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: and that we also kind of really centered masculinity and 377 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: masculine traits and behaviors. And I've talked recently about like, 378 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: you know that glorification that asked. I think that's at 379 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: play here. But then also there's just kind of related. 380 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: There's just this narrative that I don't know. It's clear 381 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: that we're rich people and capitalism have such a hold 382 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: on this country where we're like, yeah, it's more important 383 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: that we give these like tax breaks and stuffusease to 384 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: rich people who help people get elected, and everyone else 385 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: is just like making less and less than getting less 386 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: and less and getting worse off, and the gap is 387 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: getting bigger, and so the happiness part, it's I mean, 388 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: I know I've said it before, but my mom told 389 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: me once money doesn't buy a you know what it 390 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: makes it easier. So if we had the support from birth, 391 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: where it's not it's just you know, being able to 392 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: afford childcare or like anything like that that gives you 393 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: the space to build a healthier society that is happier. 394 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: And some of that is also being able to afford 395 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: giving to your children. And I don't mean to spoil them, 396 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: That's not what I'm talking about, because yes, those rich 397 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: people who give the kids like cars at age three 398 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: as a whole different conversation, But what I'm talking about 399 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: is like my family and my parents who couldn't give 400 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: me the teeth that I needed, you know what I mean, 401 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: as a child, and feeling bad about that and coming 402 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: back and me like, I'm so sorry we couldn't provide 403 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: that for you, you know, giving me a car so 404 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: that could do activities, not that that I was able 405 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: to earn it, but like we're teaching our children that 406 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: the only way you can do this is to drive 407 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: yourself into the ground for a capitalistic idea at earning 408 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: minimum wage at this age and then trying to prioritize 409 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: money over education, prioritize money over love, and like all 410 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: of these things as a whole different conversation, and can 411 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: we do it? Yeah, we have, We've done it. Could 412 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: it be a different story if we didn't have to? 413 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: And are we saying all women in leadership is great? 414 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: No prime examples of like why did you do this? 415 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: What did you? We're talking about qualified women and qualified 416 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: men who support Again, though it's harder to find underqualified women. 417 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: We can there's always exceptions to the rule, but it's 418 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: harder to find underqualified women than it is to find 419 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: underqualified men. Just sort of a numbers game. But yeah, right, yeah, 420 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: um yeah, again, it just makes sense to me. It 421 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: makes sense to me. Oh, I'm feeling conflicted these happiness episodes. 422 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: So it's not too negative the kind of negatives. Look, 423 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm back and forth. It is, it is, And I 424 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of just examining we need to 425 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: do of the narratives we've been fed our whole lives 426 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: exactly of what happiness even is. Yes, well, speaking of 427 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: listeners again, we need those happiness stories from you. Any thoughts, 428 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: any people we should be talking about, any movements we 429 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: should be talking about anything at all? 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