WEBVTT - Chapter 18: The Right Medium 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.520 Bridgewater is a production of iHeartRadio three D audio and 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.760 Grimm and Mild from Aaron Maky. For a full exposure 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.400 listen with headphones. Listener discretion advised. 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.840 This way, it's this way. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:25.200 Wait, it's coming from over here, so last, so last, 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.240 come on, hurry there. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:46.600 Wait, dad, dad, Jeremy? Who's we have got to stop 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:47.280 meeting like this? 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:48.720 Oh it's just you? 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.080 Wow? Am I already such old news? 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:52.200 That is not what I meant. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:58.560 I just sorry. I thought you were bigfoot? Maybe what? 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:00.760 Well, I assume we're here for the same reason, right, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.280 the attack on the campers, right, yeah. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.080 Right, right, I guess I should have expected to see you. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.520 Seems like you and your friends really dodged a bullet. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:10.520 Holy crap. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:12.360 Yeah, I mean the ground was torn to shreds, and 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.200 from what they said about the dead camper on the news, 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:14.800 that was Yeah. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:16.399 I'm starting to think that it was a bad idea 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:17.039 coming back here. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.800 Wait did you did I what? No? Never mind that 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.040 you're gonna think I'm nuts. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.880 No, Well, I think I think we're at the point 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.360 where you should know that I'm the right audience for 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.160 stuff that sounds nuts. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.520 I thought I heard a voice, I mean just now. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.280 But it wasn't you. It was a woman. I think 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.240 you heard that. Yeah, yeah, you did too. What do 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:38.760 you think it was? 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:38.920 Or? 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:40.560 I guess the question is who? 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.000 Okay, so I recognized that voice, at least I think 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:44.320 I did. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:45.640 Well, who is it? 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:50.360 It's it's someone impossible. What do you mean the woman 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.080 that I mentioned to you before, that the one who 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.720 died in free Time? Yeah, it was her voice. What? 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.960 Yeah, I know it. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.440 Sounds crazy, crazy, remember right? 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:02.240 No, right right? 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:03.480 I don't know. I don't know. 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.560 I don't believe in ghosts. What is happening? 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.480 Well, maybe it's some kind of mimic, something pretending to 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:11.600 be her somehow. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.400 A mimic like like. 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.040 What, well, you're the expert. But that's a thing, right, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:20.720 changelings and shape shifters. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.160 You know, I was just talking about shape shifters with 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.840 my friend. Whatever attack the camper feels like the thing 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:28.400 that we saw the other day, but some of the 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.000 details aren't lining up. So we were thinking maybe there's 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.600 something that can yeah, I don't know, transform in some way, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.320 which would explain all of the different kinds of attacks 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:38.480 that have been happening lately. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.000 Yeah, you think it's all one creature. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:40.680 I don't know. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.600 I don't know. I haven't actually gotten my eyes on 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.520 anything except the Howler, and that did not feel like 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:47.240 a shape shifter. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.320 This is all so strange. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.079 I mean, I've been feeling like things are off here, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.000 you know, but I haven't seen anything yet. So I 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:56.640 think if I hadn't met you, I would think I 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.720 was going completely batch it crazy these days. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.160 Well, I am happy that I've kept you saying. I 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:07.239 have to say, it's funny. No. I was also talking 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.880 to the same friend about how you're one of the 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.120 first people that I've met in a long time that 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.760 doesn't make me feel like I'm a total head case 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:17.920 when I talk to them. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.480 Well, aren't we a pair, isn't it rich? 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.840 We're just two middle aged weirdos wandering through the wilderness, 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.280 one of us desperately trying to find a monster, the 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.280 other one tripping over them all the time. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.040 And amazingly, that feels like the least of my problems. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.280 Are you saying there's more to your interest in all 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.920 of this, more than just childhood obsession? 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:40.760 Ah? 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.480 Yeah, I'd like to hear about it. 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.520 I mean, if you're willing to talk about it, that 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.000 is maybe maybe we could grab a drink sometime. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:51.840 Oh, I would actually really like that. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.160 You don't have to sound so surprised. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:04:00.040 No, I'm not. You know, I just don't have a 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.440 lot of people to talk to about this stuff, or 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:03.880 at least the people that I do have to talk 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.440 to about it are all tangled up in it themselves. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.880 So well, it sounds like we'll be needing a few 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.160 drinks then, yes, what's your poison. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:14.960 Let's get trashed. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.800 Okay, So I mean it sounds like it supports the 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:54.679 shape shifter theory. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:56.200 Voice mimicry is so common. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.480 Yeah, but it's too common. I'm still not sure about 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.080 the voice growing the ability to pull two people who 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.120 were standing side by side in opposite directions. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.159 Maybe it was just run of the mill magic, something 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.400 that messed with our perception. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.600 Well, whatever it was, we need to be more careful. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.760 We can't keep getting separated like that. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.120 We will always find each other, I promise. 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.000 Well, I want to be prepared. I've texted Vippin and 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.320 he's going to pull everything that you can about voice mimicry. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.039 But even with the added detail of it sounding like 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.239 it was coming from two different places. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.719 We're looking at a lot of possibilities, still. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:34.039 So many possibilities. You know, it's funny. I always thought 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.120 it was fascinating how no matter the location or the culture, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.599 human beings they come up with the same kinds of 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.200 monsters over and over again. There are these, you know, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:50.880 culturally religiously specific ones, of course, but the basic idea 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:56.920 of shape shifters, vampires, vengeful spirits. There are iterations of 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:02.200 those all over the world. And now I think we're 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.880 all those people actually just seeing the exact same thing 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.160 something It's something real that they're actually seeing, and then 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.800 they add the filter of their own cultural norms at 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.120 the time that they saw it to shape the narrative 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:18.360 of that entity. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:18.760 Right. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.400 You really love this stuff, don't, all of the folklore 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:24.000 and history? 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.360 Yeah? I mean I used to, anyway, Now it feels 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:30.280 like I just it feels very different. Now, it feels 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:31.640 like it's a survival tool. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.240 WHOA, what happened here? 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:37.080 Well it happened again? 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:38.960 What what happened again? 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.800 The creepy humming house shaking thing and happened to you 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.160 guys the other night, this time with added spooky soundtrack. 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:46.719 What there was music? 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:48.320 Music? What kind of music? 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.119 Oh, the kind that makes you feel like a killer 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:51.839 clown is going to pop out at any moment. 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:52.839 Killer clown. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.400 Yeah, it was classical, some kind of you know, string instrument. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.680 I think maybe a harp. Music was never really my 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:58.320 strong suit, but. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.560 It was Wait wait what then? And why did that 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.359 lead you to tear apart your living room? 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.680 Well, it sounded like it was coming from inside the house, 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.359 like somebody dn't a speaker somewhere? 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:08.360 Oh, come on, you did this? 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.840 Don't you think that you would have noticed if someone 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.120 stuck a speaker cabinet behind your couch? 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:19.040 That speakers can be really small now, like it's like 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:23.240 everything else. But you don't You don't really think that 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.800 somebody planted something here, do you? Oh? 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.240 No, but that doesn't mean something didn't get in here anyway. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:29.320 You know, what do you mean? 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.120 You came through the veil to our side, so I 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:34.680 have a bunch of monsters, So was to say that 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.960 something else couldn't have as well? I mean, I don't know, like. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.960 Like someone who came in and planted a tiny fairy 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:41.440 speaker or a magic herb. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.040 And I told her it was unlike me. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.400 Come on, well then, the livey why are you helping her? 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.000 Because what if it was coming from something that's already here. 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:51.320 I don't follow. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.120 We were thinking about the voicemails, the ones you left Thomas. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.520 Right, voicemails. 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.600 What we never asked you about it. When you were 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.560 trying to speak to me, trying to get the word 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.720 out about what was happening, it was coming through as 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.240 messages on my machine. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:05.960 You weren't just hearing my voice. 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.520 I just assumed that's how I heard Celeste, just a 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:11.720 disembodied voice in the. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.160 Limital, right, But that's because there's nothing in the liminal. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.240 So somehow, when you were speaking through the veil, it 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.600 was captured by an old message machine. 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.960 Yeah, thank god too, because if I'd just been hearing 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.760 your voice, people would have thought I was really off 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:26.239 my rocker. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.360 You know, I think people thought you were off your rocker. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.040 Anywhere I am on my rocker, son. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.040 So wait a minute. So you think that the music 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.320 was coming from something that you already owned, that it's 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.360 from the liminal getting here somehow, I. 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.120 Don't think it's from the liminal. I think it's from 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:41.800 the other side. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.120 It would have to be from the other side. My 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.000 whole time there, I never heard anything close to music. 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.920 Well that doesn't mean that things haven't changed. I could 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.959 Alden somehow be doing it. And are you sure? Are 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.480 you both sure that it wasn't actually singing. It's not 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.000 like the connection between here and the liminal is exactly 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:00.880 like Crystal Clear. 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.160 No, not singing. Okay, it was definitely instrumental in it. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.439 There's something so weird about it? 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.240 What what? What could be weirder than it? Coming from nowhere? 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:13.600 It was I don't know right, nothing sounded human, nana like, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.640 even if it was human instruments, it was like they 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.719 were being played by something that wasn't It was. 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.000 I'm badly played off key. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.600 No, that's not it. I can't explain it. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.520 It's more like, Uh, it came with a feeling, you know. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.199 I think that's what you're trying to get it right, 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:30.240 Like a feeling. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.920 Yeah, it came with this feeling. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:34.760 Oh that can't be good. 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.360 Well, hence trying to find some sort of reasonable explanation, you. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.040 Know, reasonable being an extremely relative term over here. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:42.840 Okay, did have you found anything? 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.840 Nothing? How'd you fare in the swamp? Was it that 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:48.240 thing that we saw kill the camper? 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:53.319 Yes? Maybe it's a little unclear, but it is clear 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.679 that something something is is definitely trying to communicate with us. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.680 Has So we heard Celestes voice. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.520 What what isn't she dead? 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.160 Yeah? 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.160 And not in the limit A right? 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.040 Okay, so we have no idea what we're dealing with here. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:13.120 Well what was she saying? 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:13.559 I don't know. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.960 She was saying a bunch of stuff, trusting her uh 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:17.959 and it happening. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:19.960 That would be better this time? 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:20.319 Right? 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:21.800 What better? 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:23.480 Okay, Well, that's good. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:28.960 She also said we want you and come here. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:30.880 Which is what Ethan said. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.480 That's right, Yeah, exactly the same thing. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.640 Yeah, maybe it was someone who got possessed in the 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:36.640 same way that Ethan did. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.040 It wasn't a person. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.040 No, that voice was coming from two different directions. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.439 And it was definitely Celeste or her voice at least 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:45.880 that I know. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.880 Okay, we don't really know what's on the other side yet. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.679 Maybe it was some kind. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.319 Of afterlife and Celeste's spirit is trying. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:54.560 To talk to you. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.120 I think that that would be the best option. Honestly, 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:57.640 I don't know. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.600 Should we hold a say aunts or find a medium 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:03.600 medium couldn't hurt. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.960 I have never done a SANDS before, but I guess 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:06.960 I know the basics. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.319 I mean, I think we can probably find a medium 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:10.000 in Bridgewater. 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.840 Well, yeah, we have to be careful because even if 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.440 talking to the dead is possible, it doesn't mean that 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.400 there aren't a whole shitload of scammers out there. 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:24.320 A medium, a medium. We need to find the right medium. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.839 Yes, exactly, we need someone reputable. I mean, can't believe 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.800 I'm saying that, But maybe I can try to talk 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.079 to some of the other folklore folks and see a thing, no, not. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:36.679 A psychic, the right communication medium. Okay, think about it. 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:41.120 Thomas was able to communicate through the answering machine, Celest's 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.520 voice was coming through the swamp. 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:48.120 There's no seeming connection between those things. Okay, so what 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.400 if there is a connection and we're just not seeing it. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.240 Well, I think that describes a lot of what we're 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:55.520 doing right now, right. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.319 Sure, yeah, but maybe there's a way to get more 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:02.720 data to connect the dots. So, Alden, before you got here, Thomas, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.320 did he ever try to reach out? Did he try 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:05.920 to contact someone over here? 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.920 He was a scared seven year old trapped in another dimension. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.880 He definitely tried to call out for help. 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.560 Okay, so maybe someone heard him, and if we figure 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.120 out how they heard him, then we say. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.120 Okay, okay, but how would we do that? They mean, 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.319 this was eighty years ago. You know his parents are 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:26.040 long dead, right, he had. 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:30.439 A younger brother. Alden has a brother and he's still alive. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.200 What really I found him? 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.240 When I was looking into Alden's story, I didn't think 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.520 it was relevant. Honestly, it's not like we can tell 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.240 him anything that would give him closure after all these years. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.600 And he was only five when Alden went missing, so 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.240 he might not even remember it happening. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.760 But that doesn't mean he wasn't communicated with later exactly. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.400 You didn't start hearing Thomas's voicemails until this year. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:54.360 Who knows when he left them? 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.800 Well, I was always calling out to you, Anne, always right. 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.720 So maybe Alden's brother heard something he can't explain either. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:04.600 You think you would talk to us, well, I mean 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.040 I think it's worth to try. And he's right here 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:07.679 in Bridgewater. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:19.480 Hey, mister Jansen, I think thanks for agreeing to talk 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:20.000 to us. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.680 Oh please call me Lee. Not every day I get visitors. 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.880 It's really nice to meet you, Lee. I'm Thomas and 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.520 this is Jeremy. Has your family mostly moved away? 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:31.400 Well? 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.160 I never had children myself and my sister rest her soul. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.800 Her kids live up in New Hampshire and their kids 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.839 are all grown now. So oh, they come and visit 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.439 when they can. But there's not a lot in the 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:49.800 way of entertainment in this place. So when they said 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.800 there were two men here to interview me for a book, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.600 well that was just about me my day. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.280 Well, we're happy to hear that, although. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.840 Fish to be quite confused as why you want to 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:04.360 talk to me. 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.439 Well, i am a professor here at the local college, 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.800 and I'm writing a book about the region, and specifically 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.120 I'm looking at unsolved mysteries and the like. And I 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.000 know that you have lived here your entire life. I have, 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.920 and I also know that you have a personal. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.840 This is about all of them, isn't it. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.320 Yes, yeah, I take it. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.920 You've been asked about him before a few times through 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:35.240 the year. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.960 Every now and again, someone will get their heads stuck 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:43.800 into all the missing person cases in Bridgewater, and my 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:48.120 brother is one of that. It's kept folks interest, I 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.080 think because he was so young and there was never 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.600 any evidence at all as to what happened. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:55.400 I'm so sorry. 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.960 Oh I don't remember. If that's what you're here for well, 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.880 he was two years old older than me, and I 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:02.440 barely remember him at all. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.280 That must have been hard for all of you. 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.560 My family, we we didn't really talk about it. It 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.360 was a it was a different time back then. But 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.920 I also know that, well, losing your child isn't something 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:17.160 you ever get over. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:23.480 And your parents, they did they ever have any guesses 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.240 or talk to you about what might have happened? 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.120 Well, they assumed he was kidnapped, like everyone else. What 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:37.080 did you think? My sister, she was there right before 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.280 it happened, and she always thought it was some kind 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.040 of monster in the woods. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.160 I guess that would make sense when she was a 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:45.480 child herself. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.840 Right, It's not a belief she grew out of. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.560 And And what what did you believe? 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.120 I always thought there was something strange about this place, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.080 And based on the type of folk who have come 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:02.840 to talk to me through the years, I know I'm 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:08.080 not the only one. And I suspect you're not here 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:12.360 to ask me about whatever official investigation took place back then. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:19.280 No we're not, so go on tell me whatever wild 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:20.280 theory you have. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.160 We actually were wondering more if you had any theories 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.240 or if there's anything through the years that you haven't 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.760 been able to explain about it. 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:35.480 You may have I seen my brother's ghost tracked down 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:36.640 the monster that they did. 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.000 We are not trying to make a mockery of your 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.840 family's Tragedyly, we care about Alden his story. 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:44.280 But I take it a lot of the people who 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.160 have come to you through the years have just been 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.160 looking for something sensational, right. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:53.400 That's a way of putting it. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.120 We don't want anything but the truth. And if that 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.200 truth is that you have no memory of your brother 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.880 and nothing of his life or disappearance to share at 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.679 this point, then that's totally okay. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.320 What truth are you expecting to fly? 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:11.400 What do you mean? 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.320 Folks usually have an idea in their heads. You say 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.800 you want my theory, but I'm betting you have one 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:20.400 of your own. 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.280 We we've heard of missing people being able to contact 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:26.919 their loved ones. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.639 I've never seen his ghost, As much as some people 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:31.840 might want to believe that. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.800 Yeah, I guess we're not really talking about a ghost 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.320 so much as I don't know. Did you ever hear 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.600 of a voice of a voice that might have that 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:43.000 might have. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.320 Sounded like all, then a ghostly voice is still a ghost. 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.520 Not ghostly, No, it would have been It would have 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.359 come from somewhere like an answering machine or a phone 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.240 or some specific place. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.159 Or maybe any any kind of object that can produce 0:17:58.240 --> 0:17:59.879 a sound, right, I mean, as far as we know, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.720 be a record player or a radio, a radio, yeah, right, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:06.000 it could be a radio. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:07.840 Who are you people? 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:09.359 Have you heard something? 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:17.440 Me? Olden? He had a little radio on his nightstand. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.600 When I went to college, I took it with me 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.800 and I've had it ever since. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.600 And you you heard something from this radio, something other 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:27.359 than a broadcast. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:32.800 It used to act funny. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.400 Yeah, I'd have it tuned to one of the usual stations, 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:42.439 strong signal and all that, but it gets statically and well, 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:48.639 strange sometimes strange. How you said other people have heard 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:53.240 voices before of people who disappeared. 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.919 Yes, well, we can't tell you more without violating people's privacy. 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:03.000 But yes, I always thought I was imagining it. 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:04.600 But you heard something. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.520 I don't know what it was. It sounded like a 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.600 little boy, but I always I always thought it was 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.760 interference from another broadcast. It was an old radio, and 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.399 there were so many more stations than there used to be. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:22.280 When was this? 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.080 Let me see it? Was that was at the Green 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:32.240 Bank House. So the seventies, well, the eighties, maybe we. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.919 Do you still have that radio? 0:19:59.440 --> 0:19:59.720 Hello? 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.000 Hey, Hippin, come in, Hey Vippin. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:03.640