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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: Nathan Segura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do live on a reaction Monday of

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Speaker 2: the program. I am merely bow. He is the great Z.

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Speaker 2: Needless to say, this is not where we thought we

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Speaker 2: would be, not where we thought we would be. A

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Speaker 2: bitterly disappointing start to the season made worse in kind

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Speaker 2: of overwhelming fashion in Landover, Maryland, where you saw how

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Speaker 2: quickly a team can flip it. You saw the amount

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Speaker 2: of hope that one player can provide for a roster.

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Speaker 2: You saw that in Washington, certainly with Jayden Daniels. And

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Speaker 2: he wasn't even that, he wasn't even great by his standards,

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Speaker 2: but he was still sensational. And you see how quickly

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Speaker 2: it can go right and just as quickly it has

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Speaker 2: gone wrong. Here. We didn't see this coming. I don't

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Speaker 2: think anybody did. There will be people out there listening,

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Speaker 2: and certainly have run into a lot of them, and

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Speaker 2: I know you have as well. Oh yeah, Browns, blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah. Now it's eleven win team. A year ago,

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Speaker 2: it was a number one defense in football year ago.

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Speaker 2: You played five quarterbacks a year ago. I understand one

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Speaker 2: year does not transition to the next. We talked about

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Speaker 2: that a lot in the lead up. Our players talked

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Speaker 2: about that a lot in the lead up. I know

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Speaker 2: about the one score victories last year and how that

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Speaker 2: is something that rarely pulls through. Defensive number one ranking

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Speaker 2: rarely is something that pulled through. There's usually an adjustment.

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Speaker 2: It was one thing to think that potentially there could

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Speaker 2: be a struggle to start this season and this ain't that.

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Speaker 2: This is really bad ball week in and week out.

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Speaker 2: My friend and I think the worst of it was yesterday,

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Speaker 2: so good luck. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was awful. It was awful. And this right now,

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Speaker 3: the Browns are the worst offense in the NFL. I

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Speaker 3: don't think anybody could have foreseen that coming. They're the

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Speaker 3: only team in the league that has yet to have

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Speaker 3: a three hundred yard game. It's stupefying. They have score

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Speaker 3: twenty points in a game. It's It is a very

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Speaker 3: expensive offense. It is littered with first round picks and

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Speaker 3: pro Bowlers and all of those things. Second round picks, and.

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Speaker 4: That is.

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Speaker 3: They lack an identity when they do scheme things up

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Speaker 3: correctly and guys are open, or you have a run

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Speaker 3: play that's schemed up correctly, somebody misses a block, quarterback

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Speaker 3: doesn't see the open receiver, you have a penalty that

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Speaker 3: negates it, you have a drop pass that negates it.

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Speaker 3: H This team is just bad on every level, every

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Speaker 3: level on the offensive side the ball. And I really

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Speaker 3: think after j Oka forced his second turnover of the

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Speaker 3: day yesterday, he obviously putting on a show. He had

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Speaker 3: so many people in attendance from Hampton, Virginia, had a

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Speaker 3: lot of people come in for this game, had the interception,

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Speaker 3: had the force fumble. Obviously, of course everybody's talking about

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Speaker 3: when he got took a bad angle on you know,

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Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels and on that fourth third down plane he

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Speaker 3: gets Yeah, thirty four years listen, this gave's a lot

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Speaker 3: worse without Jok in it. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think he's really had a sensational start to his

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Speaker 2: second year. To the year as well, it's been fantastic

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Speaker 2: a lot of them, but there's been some individual things.

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Speaker 3: But it's Corey Bork has been fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the collective is.

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Speaker 3: You look at so Jok punches the ball out, a

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Speaker 3: couple of nice plays, good ball down to Amari. You're

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Speaker 3: yard line, and then here is the sequence of events

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Speaker 3: that unfolds. And I said this on the broadcast yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I said, this is absolutely a microcosm of this season.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to walk you through those plays.

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Speaker 2: This is first series of the third quarter. We kick

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Speaker 2: off to them, we punch the ball loose. We're down big,

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Speaker 2: but by god, you got life.

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Speaker 3: We're down twenty four to three, but you got with

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Speaker 3: So Zach Ziner, who had a tough game, false start.

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Speaker 3: So now you are first and goal at the seven

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Speaker 3: So penalty shooting yourself in the foot, missed the wide

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Speaker 3: That's right, and then on third down he has to

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Speaker 3: going to go for it on fourth down. Sure, and

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Speaker 3: that's another thing there. There is plenty to criticize this

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Speaker 3: plenty of criticize the whole operation. The Shaun Watson didn't

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Speaker 3: it on fourth down. There were twelve guys in the huddle.

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Speaker 3: We had just used a timeout earlier. Oh, I forgot

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Speaker 2: At the start of the third quarter.

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Speaker 3: After a penalty on Zach Zinner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we couldn't get lined up and we had

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Speaker 3: After a penalty.

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Speaker 2: So it's like pen wasn't even like that all the

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Speaker 2: time in the world, all the time in the world.

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Speaker 2: So add that to the microcosm of self inflicted wounds there,

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Speaker 2: so you knew you weren't going to take another time

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Speaker 3: That to me, that is the Brown season in a nutshell.

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Speaker 3: On offense anyway, that's it self inflicted wounds. You have

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Speaker 3: We are still unable to pick up Blitzz. We are

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Speaker 3: completely Frankie Luvu and Bobby Wagner went to absolute town

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Speaker 3: to the tune of four sacks. Yeah, four sacks for linebackers,

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Speaker 3: including a sack fumble. That right there. That's it. That's

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Speaker 3: the microcosm. And so you've got scheme that at times

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Speaker 3: this football team is, I mean. And people are say, oh,

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Speaker 3: we needed to run it more. We needed to run

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Speaker 3: it more, folks. We started to run the ball. We

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Speaker 3: to the first fourth down on the opening possession. Yep,

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Speaker 3: schemed up perfectly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just missed a block.

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Speaker 3: And so it's just a team that is you got

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Speaker 3: to say at this point, who are you? You're undisciplined

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Speaker 3: on offense. You are sloppy in your in your performance

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Speaker 3: times having not just mental errors, but physical errors drops,

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Speaker 3: missing block, whipping on blocks, things like that, not seeing

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Speaker 3: the word you used?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember it? In that? What you just did there? Undisciplined.

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Speaker 2: Everything that we've come to know about Kevin Stefanski and

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Speaker 2: We were in terms of what we do out of

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Speaker 2: script to star games, in terms of the success on

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Speaker 2: to get people to jump. How many times in the

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Speaker 2: get a team to jump? That's discipline, right. Typically we

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Speaker 2: don't commit a lot of penalties offensively, that's disciplined. We

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Speaker 2: run a lot of historically with Stefanski, trick plays, misdirection stuff,

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Speaker 2: receiver throwing quarterback, passbacks. That's all discipline and we don't

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Speaker 2: have that. I said to you coming out of I

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Speaker 2: think it was the third game. I think it was

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Speaker 2: a Giants game, and you and I were doing a

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Speaker 2: show very similar to this one back at a time

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Speaker 2: when we had a different expectation about what this team

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Speaker 2: And the answer was right now, nothing And nothing has

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Speaker 2: there isn't a thing you can hang your hand on

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we're historically bad. I mean it's not just like

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Speaker 3: we're bad, we're historically bad.

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Speaker 2: Three point eight yards per play. The third down stuff

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Speaker 2: is third down. So we're one to thirteen in the

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Speaker 2: game and the only one is in the fourth nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you go back, I think in the

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Speaker 3: previous game against Vegas we failed to convert our last seven.

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Speaker 3: I want to say, yeah, so what we had a

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Speaker 3: stretch where we were zero for nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's impossible. It is impossible in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: it is impossible to do that. And when you watch tapeack,

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Speaker 2: obviously it shouldn't that. That should not have been the case

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Speaker 2: for a multitude of reasons that we've outlined here. But

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Speaker 2: this is a situation right now where I feel I

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Speaker 2: if that's personnel, I don't know if that's coaching. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that is how we approach the week

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Speaker 3: Every quarterback had had success against the Giants, every quarterback

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Speaker 2: What was it the first? I mean twelve drives, twelve

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Speaker 2: How many? Think about how many three and outs? I

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Speaker 3: So it's not in here this week. It's usually in here,

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Speaker 3: Five plays twenty three yards, give it up on downs

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Speaker 3: you lose the fumble. Nine plays for nineteen yards, nine

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Speaker 2: A right see had six drives that were three perlays

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Speaker 2: so I think what makes this one? You know, you

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Speaker 2: this year. It's not one play, it was one hundred

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Speaker 3: Do you know we played a rookie quarterback who sat

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: It was in the playoffs last year against the Houston

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Speaker 2: Oh Mills quarterback that team, Well, that would have been

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Speaker 3: No, Davis Mills quarterback the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh okay, let us up. And that was a game.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, that's like a preseason game. It becomes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in week five, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I know we Kevin Stefancia and we'll

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Speaker 3: hear from him. They will not make it change at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And he says that they've all got to be better,

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Speaker 3: there has to be a plan. We always talk about

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Speaker 3: make this football team be better. It is you have

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Speaker 3: to change. We have to you and I and just

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Speaker 2: That's that, ain't it. That's not what this is anymore.

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Speaker 2: This is baby steps. This is find a way to

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Speaker 2: be competent offensively. This is trying to win a singular

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Speaker 2: a singular game, folks. This stretch we just got done

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Speaker 2: with the easiest stretch on our schedule. This is easiest stretch.

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Speaker 2: Next next four before the bye Philly sincey Baltimore Chargers.

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Speaker 3: That's four since he maybe one and four, but they

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Speaker 2: So that's so they they lose it about as stupefying

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Speaker 2: as well. But Burrow has been outstanding all touchdowns, two picks,

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Speaker 2: Chase their defense against stop anybody, which you and I

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Speaker 2: they need to. Uh. That was a crazy game. Back

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Speaker 2: That's what you do.

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Speaker 3: It's insane, that's what you do.

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Speaker 2: And that was one of the all time great which

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Speaker 2: I understand, fifty yard field goals are easier than they've

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Speaker 2: because I don't know what difference it makes to us.

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Speaker 3: They are going to be you know, after coming off

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Speaker 2: If we can't figure out a way to handle a

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Speaker 3: this is it's folks, This is not what anybody wanted,

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Speaker 2: Four, for sure, Yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're close to that now.

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Speaker 2: but we've got a bunch of guys banged up Denzel

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Speaker 3: we have been and been effective with numerous different quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: It's just we all saw last year. I think that's

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Speaker 3: two and absolute shootout to the Jags. Yeah, Why couldn't

433
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Speaker 3: he have you know, done that here? Why or why

434
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 3: why can we not get that out of our quarterback?

435
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Speaker 3: Think de Shan you know seventeen games now with the Browns,

436
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Speaker 3: it's two games of two hundred and fifty yards, none

437
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Speaker 3: with three hundred yards. Yeah, and Flacco had four straight

438
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Speaker 3: to finish out his time here. We have to have

439
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Speaker 3: something that we can hang our hat on as an offense,

440
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Speaker 3: and I don't think we have that. And look, when

441
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Speaker 3: you're the most sacked, most hit, and most pressured quarterback

442
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: in the league, you're going to develop bad habits. Yeah,

443
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 3: you are. You are going to leave clean pockets early

444
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 3: because you just feel like the doom is impending, is pending.

445
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Speaker 3: And we're at that stage right now. I mean you

446
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Speaker 3: and I are were old enough to remember David Carr, Yes,

447
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 3: was a very talented player.

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim kouch here, Tim Couch here, go to places

449
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Speaker 2: where they just get battered unable to play.

450
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that something has just got to be

451
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Speaker 3: figured out where we can have something that we can

452
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Speaker 3: hang our head on.

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Speaker 5: Now.

454
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Speaker 3: You hope perhaps Nick Chubb coming back means that, okay,

455
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Speaker 3: we can get back to being a running football team.

456
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Speaker 3: We were trying. We had all the tight ends out there,

457
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Speaker 3: we were doing all it just.

458
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Speaker 2: We have to find one thing well offensively.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And the reality of the situation is to be

460
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Speaker 3: a successful team in the NFL, the one thing that

461
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Speaker 3: you must be able to do you offensively is throw

462
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Speaker 3: the football or generate chunk plays, whether it's running a

463
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Speaker 3: quarterback that can do it with their like you saw

464
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Speaker 3: Jane Daniels, We've seen Lamar Jackson. Like Lamar was there

465
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Speaker 3: leading rusher yesterday against the Bengals. Derek Henry didn't have

466
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Speaker 3: a crazy.

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Speaker 2: No, he broke off the one at the end, but

468
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: that through regulation. No, no, no, no, they had him bottled.

469
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Speaker 2: It was Lamar throwing it. Ye. Lamar threw it all

470
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Speaker 2: over the place. Yeah, it's very folks.

471
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Speaker 3: I know that you out there, if you're listening to

472
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Speaker 3: the show today, I imagine there are probably a lot

473
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Speaker 3: of people that are like, not even gonna do it.

474
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Speaker 3: Those who are, you're frustrated. We're frustrated. I know everybody

475
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: in this building is frustrated. This is not what this season.

476
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Speaker 3: This was a chips are in let's go win the

477
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl season, and right now we're on the verge

478
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Speaker 3: of if we're not, you know, one foot in to

479
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Speaker 3: a disaster.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look the.

481
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Speaker 3: Bright side, you're one and a half games out of

482
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Speaker 3: the wild card, thirteen and four still on the table.

483
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Speaker 3: Ge man, it is.

484
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Speaker 2: Technically technically it is.

485
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Speaker 3: You can't it's not. You can't say it isn't.

486
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Speaker 5: It's not.

487
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Speaker 3: I can't say it isn't.

488
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Speaker 2: We gotta laugh kids a little. It's hard, but it is.

489
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Speaker 2: It's just the reality of how this has gone. And yeah,

490
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Speaker 2: I would think we're gonna hear from Coach here momentarily

491
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Speaker 2: a couple other things. Hell of a job out of

492
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Speaker 2: the Guards. They played tonight this after at four o'clock.

493
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Speaker 2: Let's go there. The city is some joy one one

494
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Speaker 2: to oh on the Tigers and we'll play game two

495
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: at four o'clock today at Progressive. So so good job

496
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Speaker 2: out of those guys. Shout out to the great voice

497
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Speaker 2: of the Guardians, Tom Hamilton, is an awesome tribute and

498
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Speaker 2: call out on Saturday to the voice. That was very

499
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Speaker 2: cool out of Hammy to do that as well. So

500
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Speaker 2: that was very very cool. Rest in peace to Cleveland

501
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Speaker 2: media legend the great Danny Coughlin, gone at the age

502
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Speaker 2: of eighty six. He was covering high school football Friday night. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's awesome, Yeah, that you'd want to talk about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know him obviously, no of him, don't know

505
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Speaker 2: the family thoughts and prayers and wishes and all of it.

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Speaker 2: But I have to imagine if you were to ask him,

507
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Speaker 2: how would you like it to go? That's all right?

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Speaker 2: Eighty six at a high school football game the Friday night.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he Emmy Awards, that Sportswriter of the Year.

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Speaker 6: How many books he's written, legend, just an unbelievably great guy.

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Speaker 6: The life of every party, and I mean the life,

513
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Speaker 6: the life of every party. I mean he uh, he

514
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Speaker 6: definitely lived his best life. And I mean I can

515
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Speaker 6: remember when I was at when I was back at

516
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Speaker 6: ESPN Cleveland, we had talked about doing some high school

517
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Speaker 6: FOOTBA stuff. I said, Hey, how about like Saturday morning? Yeah,

518
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Speaker 6: like you know, me and Sampines had lunch with him,

519
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Speaker 6: and Sam will remember this if he's listening. We were like,

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Speaker 6: you come on on Saturday morning on my Saturday Morning show.

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Speaker 6: Just kind of recap that. He was like, Jason, Friday

522
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Speaker 6: nights are awful late for me. Saturday morning is just

523
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Speaker 6: not going to cut it. They're gonna do it, and

524
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Speaker 6: I said, understood, understood, got it. But he was always

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Speaker 6: you know, he would definitely have something nice to say

526
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Speaker 6: Friday night. I mean he gave advice to I don't

527
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Speaker 6: know how many different people in our industry. A giant,

528
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Speaker 6: a great guy, a huge heart, big family like just

529
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Speaker 6: huge family man all around, just great guy. And I

530
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Speaker 6: saw that at the end of the game yesterday. I

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Speaker 6: was like, Oh, I'm like, I think he was just

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Speaker 6: covering the game front And sure enough there were pictures

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Speaker 5: I know he's battled a.

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Speaker 6: Lot of help things here recently, but unfortunately passing away

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Speaker 6: at the age of eighty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Icon certainly in this area when it comes to

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Speaker 7: You know, obviously disappointing.

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Speaker 8: You put a lot into these games and you want

560
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Speaker 8: to go on the road and play well and we

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Speaker 8: didn't do that and that's ultimately something that we got

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Speaker 8: to get fixed.

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Speaker 7: So disappointed, but nobody's feeling sorry for us.

564
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Speaker 8: We got to do our work here during the week,

565
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Speaker 8: put a plan together and go find a way to win.

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Speaker 7: On Sunday, It's really as simple as that that. I'll

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Speaker 7: take any.

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Speaker 4: Questions, Kevin, two questions, Why do you think Deshaun gives

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Speaker 4: you the best option to win?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I think I've been pretty clear guys all along. This

572
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Speaker 8: is not a one person type of deal. When we're

573
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Speaker 8: playing how we're playing on offense, we need everybody to

574
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Speaker 8: do their job and do their job better. And I

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Speaker 8: look at myself and how I can do that. But

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Speaker 8: I believe in DeShawn. I believe in what he brings

577
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Speaker 8: to this offense, and I believe he will play better.

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Speaker 4: And is the decision to stick with him yours exclusively?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I mean I understand the question. As you guys know,

581
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Speaker 8: I make decisions for our football team. But I obviously

582
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Speaker 8: consult with Andrew. We talk about everything that goes on

583
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Speaker 8: with our football team.

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Speaker 7: But ultimate it's my decision.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Hey, Kevin, do you have any updates on the

586
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: injured guys yesterday?

587
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Speaker 8: You know, still getting back stuff from MRIs right now, Scott,

588
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Speaker 8: anybody in particular?

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Speaker 4: How about David and Ethan?

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Speaker 8: Nothing new to report there on either guy. We'll see, okay.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Deshaun talked about trying to run the

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Speaker 4: ball and how you have to do that against two

593
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Speaker 4: high safeties and you're seeing a bunch of that. So

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Speaker 4: why do you think that's been a problem to be

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Speaker 4: able to establish that run game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Again, I think it's multifaceted, and I think we can

598
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Speaker 8: certainly give the guys a plan to put them in

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Speaker 8: position to make some yards versus those shell looks like

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Speaker 8: you mentioned, Scott.

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Speaker 7: But it's not one thing. It's not one player, it's

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Speaker 7: not one scheme.

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Speaker 8: We just we got to go execute and feel and

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Speaker 8: we have to give the guys something they can execute

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Speaker 8: at a high level. And I'm gonna work hard at

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Speaker 8: that this week so those guys can play fast on Sunday.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Kevin, the disorganization on offense is really hard and miss,

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Speaker 9: especially in that third quarter sequence there. Just what changes

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Speaker 9: are you considering to get this offense going and on track?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think we have to look at everything, Darryl,

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Speaker 8: how we put it together. You know, really just take

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Speaker 8: a long, hard look at what we're doing. And again,

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Speaker 8: I think it goes back to any success on offense

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Speaker 8: comes from giving the guys a plan that they can

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Speaker 8: go execute at a high level. I believe in the

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Speaker 8: coaches we have, I believe in the players we have

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Speaker 8: and we will get it fixed together.

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Speaker 9: And you know, I certainly understand what we talked aboutidated

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Speaker 9: it's just now one singular player or person or whatever,

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Speaker 9: you know, the supporting cast around to Sewan, you know,

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Speaker 9: blocking passes being where they're supposed to be on the

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Speaker 9: field when they're supposed to be there, and things like that.

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Speaker 9: How do you clean those things up when you're five

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Speaker 9: weeks into the season and the issue seems to be

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Speaker 9: a repetitive one.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I understand your question.

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Speaker 8: But for us, we really just focus on week to

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Speaker 8: week what we feel like we can do better.

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Speaker 7: I know that the guys are working hard.

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Speaker 8: I know that we can give them concepts that they

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Speaker 8: can operate at a high level those type of things.

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Speaker 8: But it's a constant thing in the NFL making sure

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Speaker 8: that your guys are in position to go make plays.

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Speaker 7: And we'll work at that this week.

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Speaker 10: And the interest of just shaking things up and trying

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Speaker 10: something different, would you consider turning the play calling over

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Speaker 10: to Ken Dorsey.

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Speaker 8: I think there's a bunch of different things, Mary Kay,

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Speaker 8: that we want to look at and see how we're

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Speaker 8: doing from an operation standpoint.

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Speaker 7: On offense.

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Speaker 8: I think Ken's been an outstanding partner and all of this.

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Speaker 8: So those are the type of things that I will

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Speaker 8: always look at, But really it just gets back to

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Speaker 8: making sure that we're putting our guys in position is

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Speaker 8: what we'll look at ultimately.

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Speaker 7: Thank Kevin.

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Speaker 11: I know you know early earlier in the season, you

649
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Speaker 11: guys weren't going to use injuries as any kind of

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Speaker 11: excuse or to any of your production on the field.

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Speaker 11: But to this point in the season, with the way

652
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Speaker 11: the offensive line is shaken out and how guys have

653
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 11: gone down, do you feel as though there has been

654
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 11: some hindrance of on the offense, especially of like what

655
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 11: you guys have been trying to install and implement and

656
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 11: what we've been able to see.

657
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I understand the question, can but we believe in

658
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 8: the guys we have in their injuries are a part

659
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 8: of this game. I think if you look at every team,

660
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 8: they're dealing with injuries, So we're certainly not using it

661
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 8: as an excuse for anything.

662
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: Kim DeShawn talked about figuring out what you guys were

663
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: good at and leaning, so have you been able to

664
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: identify maybe some core things that you're able to lean.

665
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 8: Into well again until we sustain drives score points. You're

666
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 8: constantly trying to lean into things that you feel like

667
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 8: your guys can Do you know we're working hard at that.

668
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 8: These guys understand that this is a process. We'll work

669
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 8: at this week understanding what matches up versus the Eagles, obviously,

670
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 8: because that factors into when you're putting these game plans together.

671
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 8: But certainly you want to be able to hang your

672
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 8: hat on offense in the run game, in the past

673
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 8: game that you feel confident that your guys can can execute.

674
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: And then a couple of those injury guys, Denzel any

675
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: update on him? No update yet, And do you know

676
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: if you're going to get any of the guys that

677
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: you put on IR after week one one? Tony mamu mo.

678
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say it's day to day.

679
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 8: I'll have a better feel for that going in tomorrow

680
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 8: and obviously going into Wednesday.

681
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Coach Stefanski from the podium. Look,

682
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: it's a Monday, it's a postgame coach. Even in the

683
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: good pretty I'm pretty close to the vest with his descriptures,

684
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: descriptions of things and the way that he uses his words.

685
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: So I would expect nothing less after an emotional loss

686
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: like the one that you had on Sunday. That being said,

687
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can just roll out the

688
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: same operation in Philly this weekend, and certainly you cannot

689
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: roll out the same operation and plan here against Cincinnati

690
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 2: in two weeks.

691
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: No, And I think there were some actually very very

692
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: good and pointed questions that were asked in this. Yeah,

693
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: there there needs to be. If it's not significant change

694
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: in personnel, if it's not significant change in scheme, if

695
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: it's not significant change in coaching, then it needs to

696
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: be some combination of significant change in preparation or the

697
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: way in which we prepare, and then massively significant change

698
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: in terms of execution.

699
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

700
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 3: Change required.

701
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, because otherwise than there's just be more of this.

702
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: There's more of this going forward. And this is professional

703
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: football and it's a seventeen game schedule of which we

704
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: are five games into. That's a long way to go, brother,

705
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: And we haven't had anything in the vicinity of this

706
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 2: since Kevin Stefanski has been here. We haven't had anything

707
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: really in the vicinity of this since I've been doing

708
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: the show in terms of a start like this or

709
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: to be in this type of spot. I mean, we

710
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: haven't even Freddy. It wasn't like this in year two

711
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: nineteen it went No.

712
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: That was Freddy's yer, that was Freddy's year twenty nine.

713
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: It started off okay. In nineteen eighteen, it went off

714
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: the rails pretty quickly. But you won the Jets game,

715
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: and that's when we had the Hugh firing and all

716
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 2: that was an eighteen that.

717
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: Was pretty solid.

718
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: But the second half of it was a lot of

719
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: fun because Bait came in and then we had Freddy

720
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: and as you so live, the four Horsemen and all

721
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: of that, that all happened.

722
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 5: We got Ze back in twenty eighteen.

723
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: We did get z back in twenty eighteen.

724
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: Oh god, just a stab in the middle.

725
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: Of the back.

726
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: What an absolute crud. I mean, I'm not wrong.

727
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 5: We came back in a second and the heart.

728
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: Right after Thanksgiving. I'm pretty sure it went on a

729
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: great run, boosted by.

730
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: A notable return Boots by a notable return. No, this

731
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: is it, this is this is the worst stretch. You know,

732
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: it was bad leading up to the firing of Hugh,

733
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: but then it was made right because you had an

734
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: ability for change. Right. You put Baker in and you

735
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: had that run with eighteen.

736
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: Right, you're coming off nothing.

737
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had the win against the Jets, which was

738
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: awesome when they opened up the regigerators and all of that.

739
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: The Browns were after five games in twenty eighteen, coming

740
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: off of h to seventeen, the Browns were two to

741
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: two and one. Yeah, you tied the Steelers on openings,

742
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: beat the Jets, lost in overtime at the Raiders in

743
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: the Nick Chubb game one, and overtime at home against

744
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: the Ravens. Then you lost four in a row Chargers, Bucks, Steelers, Chiefs,

745
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: and then Falcons. Then somebody comes back and you go win.

746
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: You win four out of your next five and that's

747
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: how and that was fun and that was quite fun.

748
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nineteen is when we had all the expectations and

749
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: we were the most bet team to win the Super

750
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: Bowl Baker second year, and that's when that went off

751
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 2: the rails.

752
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: So nineteen we are lose to Tennessee at home, beat

753
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: the Jets on Monday Night football on the road, lose

754
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: to the Rams on Sunday Night football at home, beat

755
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: the Ravens yep, forty to twenty five. There, Nick Chubb,

756
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 3: I think had three touchdowns in that game, and then

757
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: we lost four in to row nine er Seahawks, New England, Denver.

758
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: So at that point we were two and six before

759
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: we won three in a row to get to five

760
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: and six, five and seven, six and seven and then

761
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: six and ten. Yeah, that season, but under Kevin Stefanski

762
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: we had been through. In twenty twenty, we were four

763
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: and one through five games twenty one, which is a

764
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: tougher season, but we were still better that. We were

765
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 3: three and two through five and we had word three

766
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: and one after four yep. So, no, we have not

767
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: experienced anything like this.

768
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: No, no, And even in those years offensively, there were

769
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: things you could hang your hat on. You always had

770
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb, you had some weaponry that you were able

771
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 2: to activate. Right now, this level, this month of worse

772
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: of offense is unlike anything we've ever seen. It's been

773
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: that bad. And they I mean to me, it's all

774
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: on the drawing board.

775
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: You look like from an EPA standpoint, which are those

776
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: are analytics that are beyond my capacity?

777
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: DVOA. EPA were historically historically bad. Yeah, so something's got

778
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: to change the results certainly have to. We'll go around

779
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: the AFC North. Here's the thing that sucks is there

780
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: was such an opportunity here if if you over the

781
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: last three weeks, there were such opportunity, you had four

782
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: and one like everybody thought you were. You're in first place,

783
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: in first place in the division. Yep, we are obviously

784
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 2: quite a ways from that. Will go around the division

785
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,000
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793
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 2: AFC North the Ravens Baltimore, the Baltimore Raven Cincinnati game.

794
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: Did you obviously you're calling our game? So I had

795
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: them both on. I had both screens on I or

796
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: ours on one and their's on the other. Game. It's

797
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: able to watch them both at the same time. Cincinnati,

798
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: it's a it's a must win for them, obviously they

799
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: do not want to go to one and four. I

800
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: have no interest in it. They've been flying offensively, but

801
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: for whatever reason haven't been able to get wins. They

802
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: are up two scores pretty much the whole game. They're

803
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: up to scores almost the entire fourth quarter until Burrow

804
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: throws the pick, and then somehow, not only do they

805
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: do they give up all of that, they lose. They

806
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: get the turnover in overtime. Yeah, and it's there.

807
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: I thought it was over. So that's what I saw

808
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: as I was walking out of the booth, was the turnover.

809
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh, they're gonna be in Phil Gold. It's

810
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: a stupefying thing that I know. These guys are very

811
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: good kicking, but just to be like, yeah, we'll just

812
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: go ahead and we'll wait well fifty five yards. I

813
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: know it worked for Cancer against.

814
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: Them, but why not make it easier.

815
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: If you can make it easier, why wouldn't you make

816
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: it easier.

817
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. And they Burrow was thirty of

818
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: thirty nine in the game for three ninety two and

819
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: five scores. Chase had what ten for one hundred and

820
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: ninety three and two touchdowns. They not cover Jamar Chase,

821
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: throw him the football and get yardage positively downfield. They

822
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: can't cover Higgins either, couldn't hurt anybody.

823
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: They brought in the extra defensive linemen and then they

824
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: just ran it. Yeah.

825
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, strange, very strange. Derrick Henry, they had him bottled up.

826
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: This was a Lamar game. I think what you say

827
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 2: at this point in the season from the AFC North

828
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 2: perspective is to me, it very clearly is Baltimore's division.

829
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if they don't win it. And everything

830
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: that you and I said about them in terms of

831
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: their deficiencies at all three levels on the defense, all

832
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: of that holds true. Everything we said is real. It's

833
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: just their quarterback elevates the rest of it. And he

834
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: is sensational on a week to week basis in every

835
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: single Sunday.

836
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: Yes he is, and that's why they are what they are.

837
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 3: They are an impossible almost week to week to game

838
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: plan for. They have issues, there's no doubt, but they

839
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: have overcome them and found ways to win some of

840
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: these tight games. And you know, they almost gave it

841
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 3: away against the Cowboys. Yep, but they didn't. They started

842
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: off zero and two, then they slumped the Bills and

843
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 3: then this one. They really should be two and three.

844
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: The Bengals should be better than.

845
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: That, but.

846
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: Lost the Raiders and they could have, by the way,

847
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: they could have easily at least gotten overtime against the Chiefs, Right, Isaiah,

848
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: Likelely's toe. Yep, Yeah, they're Baltimore right now. Feels like

849
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: the best team in the division. Cincinnati's defense and I

850
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: guess Dax Hill was I don't know, I was. I

851
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: read something that I found hard to believe given how

852
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: poorly they've been on defense at Dax Hill was like

853
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: playing well in his new role. But he's now out

854
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: for the year as well. ACL So they're not They're

855
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 3: not great. The Steelers are. So the Steelers are exactly

856
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: what we thought they were. Yeah, they are exactly who

857
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 3: we thought they were. And they did a good job

858
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 3: of winning some games. And they got a little bit

859
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 3: of a break, I would say, And we talked about

860
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: this at the time. They caught They caught Atlanta at

861
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: exactly the right moment for them to be able to

862
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: win a game in which they didn't score a touchdown

863
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: against Atlanta. You do play them now, They're gonna score.

864
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: They will score Atlanta's gonna score. But they're, you know,

865
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: two in a row. Now they've dropped, they got the chart,

866
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: they beat They start off Falcons when they were not

867
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: ready to play Broncos before they've started. Broncos are one

868
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 3: three in a row.

869
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: Broncos defense is a problem. Sir Tan had a pick

870
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: yard picture. They look great, by the way, in those uniforms.

871
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: They should only wear those unis.

872
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: They should like people were like the boys when they

873
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: saw him run out and those like, whoa what are those?

874
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's how they that's an attention getter.

875
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: That's what they used to look like. Yeah, all of

876
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: those shades of color are beautiful. Wear them, wear them.

877
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: I feel like, yes, it was a really rough day

878
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 3: for Gardner Minshew on many fronts.

879
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, I think that's probably fair. I think it's

880
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: probably fair. Who's still I don't know, how's that happen?

881
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

882
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: I mean that's something you hear about in like second

883
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 3: grade and you're.

884
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, not a not a grown Nope, although.

885
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: It is kind of on brand for him.

886
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: Eh well, remember you and I had that conversation about

887
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: him after week one, Like I really think like the

888
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: whole persona and the all of it has kept him

889
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 2: from being maybe even better than he could be, because

890
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: he's actually okay a lot of times. Yeah, you know,

891
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: and he's really a perfect backup if you what did

892
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: he say, Clemson's back beat Miami. That's exactly right. I

893
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: don't know what the Steelers are going to do. They

894
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: got a lot going on over there, So do they

895
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: stick with fields is going to be something that will

896
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: be a topic of conversation this week over there.

897
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 10: Uh.

898
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: The the other thing that I think will be a

899
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: topic of conversation over there is what's going on with

900
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: George Pickens. So I don't know if you saw this,

901
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: but he played a very low snap count in the game,

902
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: and Tomlin said postgame that it's they're managing him to

903
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: get the most out of each snap. So he tried

904
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: to make it seem like he's like a d tackle.

905
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: He kind of made He's like, we do it with

906
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: Cam and with everybody. Yeah, and so what to me,

907
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: what it seems like is they don't feel he's giving

908
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: them ultimate effort on every snap. Yeah, so they're trying

909
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: to manage him that way. So something to manage, but

910
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: guess what, they're three and two, and that's easier to

911
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: deal with it at three and two than at one

912
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 2: and four.

913
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Saw, I don't know. Was it a pick

914
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: by Dallas and then he grabbed the guy's face mask?

915
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that happened, Yeah, towards the end.

916
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's I mean, he's plant. There's no doubt. Yep,

917
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: there's no doubt.

918
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's it's Baltimore, and then it's you know,

919
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 2: even Cincinnati at one and four because they have Burrow,

920
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: because they can throw it for three hundred. I'll have

921
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: to look at let me pull up their schedule to

922
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: see what they can do. He's been great, all right,

923
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 2: So there, Well, so they're one and four, but they

924
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: are at Giants, who showed a little bit of guts

925
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: last few weeks. One again again Seattle. So they're at

926
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: Giants on Sunday night for here, then Philly, then Raiders.

927
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: So three and one in that stretch gets you to

928
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: four and five if you're them, yep, and they're kind

929
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: of back in the mix. I mean, I think that's

930
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: their objective, at least if you're them though, And this

931
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: to bring this back into the conversation we were having

932
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: about us, what's the one thing that we do well offensively?

933
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: They have several things they do well offensively, and so

934
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: because of that, you are going to win some shootouts. Eventually,

935
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: Evan McPherson's going to make a kick. He didn't make

936
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: the kick yesterday, but eventually he will. They got They

937
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: lost by one to Kansas City, by five to the Commis,

938
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: and by three to the Ravens. They're in them all.

939
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: I can't believe they lost to New England.

940
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 5: Still.

941
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: No, that's the one that kills them.

942
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: Stupefying. It is Giants are no slouch right now, by

943
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: the way, No, they're playing well, they are no slouch.

944
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: No, I did not have that. I did not have

945
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: them going to the Giants and winning. So no, I

946
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: did not. But that's and then Pittsburgh's in there, and

947
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: then we've got a host of problems that we got

948
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: to get sorted out. But this division is not what

949
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: we thought it would be from a record standpoint and

950
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: from the way that these teams are playing. And the

951
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: reason for that are the two Ohio teams. The Baltimore

952
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: is kind of what we thought that they would be.

953
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: They got an MVP, and other than that, they've got

954
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: some issues. Pittsburgh's got issues, but it's us in Cincinnati

955
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: who have wildly underachieved.

956
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: And the bills, by the way, are now looking kind

957
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: of like what we thought they were going to be.

958
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: It it does seem that way, It does seem that

959
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,480
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Speaker 2: the next thirty on the Twisted Tea Hotline brought you

976
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977
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Speaker 2: Keep it Twisted Cleveland. We are working on getting Joe

978
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Speaker 2: to join. And I think what for everybody, fans, ownership, coaches, players, us,

979
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: all of us that it's just that it's the expectations

980
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: that were there and thought that this team would be

981
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: it has not been. And that's the bitter pill. There's

982
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: Joe played on a ton of teams that when you

983
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: went into the season you said, okay, that that's a

984
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: top five or six worst team in the NFL. This

985
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: was not that.

986
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: No, this was a team that was supposed to be

987
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: a top the AFC North. We're competing with Baltimore and

988
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 3: Cincinnati to win this division. This is supposed to be

989
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: a team. And again, there's still a lot there's there

990
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: are twelve games left, we've played five, so there's plenty

991
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: of time to fix it. But it's getting late, very early.

992
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: And so if you're the Browns, this is you know

993
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: you've got to you've got to get it turned around immediately.

994
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is somebody asked me if this start

995
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 3: is harder than two thousand and you know, sixteen and seventeen,

996
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 3: and I said, yeah, yes, because there are real expectations.

997
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 3: This is a team that there is a great deal

998
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: invested in.

999
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 5: And I think that.

1000
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: Speaking about our you know, ownerships, rolling like they've invested

1001
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: so much into this football team.

1002
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think there are a lot of reports

1003
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 2: out there that they're true.

1004
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: It just isn't true. It's also not true at all.

1005
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: This is a disappointment on very many levels, unfortunately for

1006
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: as we've talked about earlier, a multitude of reasons. And

1007
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 3: I say, if you're just joining the program, you want

1008
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: to know why are the Browns one and four? Watched

1009
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 3: the possession after the Jok turnover, and that will give

1010
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: you everything that's gone wrong on offense this year. Pre

1011
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 3: snap penalty, check misread for a touchdown, check, sack, check,

1012
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 3: drop pass for a touchdown, check, twelve men on the field,

1013
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: another just not get lined up all of that check

1014
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: it's all right there, and that you can't win playing

1015
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 3: football that way. Talk about it's hard to overcome having,

1016
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: you know, for what I would call self inflicted wounds

1017
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 3: in a game we had one in one possession from

1018
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: the two yard line.

1019
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Joe is with us now on the

1020
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,520
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00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: Cleeland Browns. Keep it Twisted, Cleveland. Well, this was the

1022
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: worst it off for sure. As you're watching and taking

1023
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: this one in on Sunday, what starts racing through your head?

1024
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: And if you were in charge, how would you start

1025
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: to get it turned around?

1026
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 10: Thanks for the charge. So I don't really have great

1027
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 10: answers on that front, which is discouraging. And that's why

1028
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 10: in the fourth quarter, this is the first time that

1029
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 10: I can remember in a while, my son and I

1030
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 10: we turned the game off. We were watching and we

1031
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 10: were just getting that sick feeling in my stomach. And

1032
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 10: he was getting very sad, probably more sad than I was.

1033
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 10: You know how you are when your age, like you

1034
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 10: cry at every loss. It hurts, but this will just

1035
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 10: hurt more, right, because it didn't feel like there was

1036
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 10: any reason for optimism because you had a defense that

1037
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 10: started playing the game pretty well for you, You had

1038
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 10: a couple of turnovers where you had opportunities to score,

1039
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 10: and really almost at any point in that first half,

1040
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 10: and you're about midway through the third quarter, be in

1041
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 10: a position where you were in the game where you

1042
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 10: could potentially win, but even if you didn't win, you

1043
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 10: could build on some good things and you could say, yeah, well,

1044
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 10: you know, we didn't play up to our standard. We

1045
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 10: didn't play as well as we liked, but it was close.

1046
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 10: We're building on these things, we're doing some things better,

1047
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 10: we're heading in the right direction. But it just didn't

1048
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 10: feel that way at all. And I think that's probably

1049
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 10: the most discouraging thing. Because Nathan was doing a great

1050
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 10: chat with the breakdown there. Everything that's gone wrong with

1051
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 10: the offense. You saw it on multiple drives in that game,

1052
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 10: with drop passes, penalties, inability to protect a quarterback, quarterback

1053
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 10: not making in the right reads, scrambling around, taking sacks,

1054
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 10: drop passes, Like, when you have those things on offense,

1055
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 10: there really aren't any answers where you say, this is

1056
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 10: the one thing that's hurting us. I mean, really, it's execution.

1057
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 10: But what is execution? It's everything on offense. It's literally

1058
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 10: everything that we have right now on offense is not

1059
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 10: functioning the way it needs to to be a winning

1060
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 10: team in the NFL.

1061
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: And hof here's kind of where I was earlier in

1062
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 3: the program, and really kind of at the end of

1063
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 3: the game, even yesterday at the broadcast, if once you

1064
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 3: turn the television off, if you decided to pop in

1065
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 3: and listen to your boy. Of course, I don't know.

1066
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I sit here with the solution,

1067
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: but it feels to me like there has to be

1068
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: a change made and what can it change me? That

1069
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: can be personnel, right, Change can be made in terms

1070
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: of coaching. Change can be made in terms of scheme

1071
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: and how we're trying what we're trying to accomplish. A

1072
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: change can be made in terms of how we practice,

1073
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: how we are preparing for the games right. And then

1074
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: change can be made obviously in terms of just how

1075
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 3: you execute. I don't know which bucket and what percentage

1076
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: goes and which bucket of what needs a change, but

1077
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 3: it's pretty clear to me that the expectation that we're

1078
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: going to go continue to do the same things out

1079
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: there is not going to lead to a better outcome

1080
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: at this point. And I talked about kind of the

1081
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: microcosms pre snapenies. You talk about when you have it

1082
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 3: blocked up for you know, the few times that you

1083
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 3: do quarterback misses the read or a receiver drops the

1084
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: pass or there's a penalty, And then other times you

1085
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: can't even when you have it schemed up properly, there's

1086
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 3: no time to throw, or you miss a block on

1087
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: a fourth down that should have been a twenty yard

1088
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: game or a touchdown and it ends up being a

1089
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: loss and a turnover. How do you in terms of

1090
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 3: the changes as you see it as a player, what

1091
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: can actually be done? Can you change? Okay, we've been

1092
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 3: kind of you know, this is how we've approached Wednesdays,

1093
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: this is how we approach Thursdays, this is how we

1094
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: approach Fridays. Can that actually be changed in the middle

1095
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 3: of the season. What can actually be done on the

1096
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: fly like this?

1097
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you're exactly right. You guys are pretty

1098
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 10: more than I am to what's going on within the building.

1099
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 10: Because you're there every day or maybe watching practice. You're

1100
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 10: getting an opportunity to see what are the things that

1101
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 10: you can change, And at this point in the season,

1102
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 10: you have to change something to give the team hope

1103
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 10: and to give the players a feeling like, Okay, we

1104
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 10: have made these changes. We're doing these things differently, and

1105
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 10: it's going to potentially result in a different outcome. So

1106
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 10: it's at least going to encourage me to show up

1107
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 10: on Wednesday and to give my best effort, to watch

1108
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 10: the film, to be ready so that I can be

1109
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 10: at my best, and if these potential changes that we've

1110
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 10: made are working and are going to work for us,

1111
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 10: I'm going to be part of the solution, not part

1112
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 10: of the problem, because that's what I worry about, because

1113
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 10: I got that Pantelium and me and Greco were texting

1114
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 10: like we played on some teams that weren't very good

1115
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 10: and this is a team good, but we didn't have

1116
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 10: the expectations that this team does, which is a different privilege,

1117
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 10: like BOS like to say, like you guys always used

1118
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 10: to say, and I love that, but right now, it's

1119
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 10: not a privilege. It's a burden because it has the

1120
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 10: potential to create a hopeless feeling right now for these

1121
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 10: guys where there once was high expectations. And when you

1122
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 10: have that hopeless feeling, it's difficult without change to continue

1123
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 10: to preach the same message and expect different results. You know,

1124
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 10: they'll claim about what Einstein said about insanity, you know,

1125
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 10: doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting

1126
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 10: different results. Well, you have to change something, and some

1127
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 10: potential things you could change your because your roster is

1128
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 10: kind of your roster at this point in the season.

1129
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 10: It's not like we're in free agency or the draft. Well,

1130
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 10: all of a sudden, you can make all these personnel

1131
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 10: changes and get better. Sure, you could cut a bunch

1132
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 10: of guys and then bring in, you know, players that

1133
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 10: aren't currently on NFL rosters, which would not make you

1134
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 10: hopeful for a positive change moving forward. It would just

1135
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 10: make you worse, if anything. And so some of the

1136
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 10: things you can change is how you practice, the structure

1137
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 10: of the practice. Who are the guys taking the reps?

1138
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 10: You know, I know we've really struggled on the offensive line,

1139
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 10: and one of those problems has been because of the

1140
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 10: injuries that we have. And so it was nice to

1141
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 10: see Jedrick out there. I thought he was a nice

1142
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 10: upgrade playing at left tackle. And there was time times

1143
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 10: where you saw the Browns adding running backs tight ends

1144
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 10: to protection and giving to Shawn some time back there.

1145
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 10: But then whether guys weren't getting open or DeShawn was

1146
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 10: not decisive with who to throw the football to, you

1147
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 10: still weren't getting a different result there. But I think,

1148
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 10: like you said, let's give some different guys reps during practice.

1149
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 10: Let's try some different concepts, different formations. Let's maybe just

1150
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 10: switch up the schedule a little bit, like you don't

1151
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 10: have to practice at the same time always, Like it's

1152
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 10: good to get into a routine when it's helpful, but

1153
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 10: when the routine has led you to a one and

1154
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 10: four start and playing some of the worst football under

1155
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 10: Kevin Stefanski, then maybe let's practice in the morning. Like

1156
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 10: even trivial things like that have the psychological advantage of

1157
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 10: giving guys a feeling that we are taking a new

1158
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 10: step forward and we're going to be a different team

1159
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 10: moving forward this week. And so I think it's important

1160
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 10: just explore all opportunities and all options when you talk about, hey,

1161
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 10: we've got to make a change, to give an injection

1162
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 10: of hope into that building, into that locker.

1163
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: Room, huff if you use a pie chart, and we've

1164
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: talked a lot about, you know, stuff that DeShawn has missed,

1165
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: receivers dropping passes. One of the other consistent problems we've

1166
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: had this season has been the offensive line play. Obviously,

1167
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: it's been well discussed that we had a change in

1168
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: coach there, we have a schematic change offensively from the

1169
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: way Kevin traditionally has called offensive plays and what our

1170
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: offense looked like to what it is now. If you

1171
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: had a pie chart and you were to break it

1172
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: down in terms of where are the issues there, how

1173
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: much of it is personnel slash health of that personnel,

1174
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 2: how much of it is new offensive line coach, how

1175
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: much of it is the new scheme that they are

1176
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: playing under. How would you break down what has been

1177
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: really one of the worst offensive line situations in the

1178
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: NFL this season.

1179
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 10: Well, I think personnel is probably your largest piece of

1180
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 10: the pie chart. I don't know if that's sixty percent

1181
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 10: or seventy percent, but certainly, good players make coaches look good.

1182
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 5: You know.

1183
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 10: Bob Wiley used to always say that, And never did

1184
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 10: I feel it more than when I was over in

1185
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 10: Europe coaching these guys in Germany, because we'd go out

1186
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 10: and you know, we beat the crap out of Barcelona

1187
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 10: and Milan and all these teams, and even the games

1188
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 10: we lost, like my offensive line, in my opinion, was

1189
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 10: pretty dominant over the other guys, because hey, they did

1190
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 10: a good job recruiting. I was coming into town NFL

1191
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 10: Hall of Fame. We're going to get to coach you.

1192
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 10: We had some pretty good players, right, so maybe look

1193
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 10: pretty good. And so I think players it's a player

1194
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 10: driven league, and they make the coach look good. But

1195
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 10: I think where the difference maybe in coaching is playing

1196
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 10: a big factor. And obviously, with the injuries that we've had,

1197
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 10: it's probably playing more of a factor than you could

1198
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 10: have anticipated going into the season. But one thing that

1199
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 10: coach Callahan did a really good job of was developing

1200
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 10: sort of that second tier of guys, right those backups.

1201
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 10: I mean, how many times when Callahan was here, did

1202
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 10: we have an injury and go, oh, oh no, we're

1203
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 10: never going to be able to recover from this, and

1204
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 10: all of a sudden, hey this backup's playing pretty good.

1205
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 5: Who is this guy?

1206
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 10: You know, you're looking through your program and hey, he's

1207
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 10: playing good football. And so I think when you change

1208
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 10: the coaching habits and the coach, it takes a little

1209
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 10: while for the second group of guys, especially to be

1210
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 10: able to start playing well because you're learning how to

1211
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 10: do things differently based on the coach that you have.

1212
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 10: And that's just and that's not an indictment of Andy Dickerson,

1213
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 10: the offensive line coach. That's just saying, hey, those guys

1214
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 10: are doing things differently, and it takes a little while

1215
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 10: for your starters to learn how to do something different,

1216
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 10: and it takes even more time for the guys who

1217
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 10: are less talented, and that's typically in your second group.

1218
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 3: Huh. I'm going to give you a stat and then

1219
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: you kind of just tell me what you make of it.

1220
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 3: And I think certainly you watched the tape yesterday and

1221
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: you watch that game. We can't pick up the blitz.

1222
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 3: To your point, the league average is for a quarterback

1223
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 3: to be sacked on nine percent of their dropbacks against

1224
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: the blitz. Deshaun Watson's been sacked on twenty five four

1225
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: percent of his drop backs against the blitz. The Browns

1226
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: are also giving up the highest quick pressure percentage when

1227
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: blitzed of any team in the NFL. The only team

1228
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 3: that's even close to them is New England. It just

1229
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 3: feels like if you're a team that has physical, downhill linebackers,

1230
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: you blitz them and you will get sacks. We've had

1231
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 3: multiple games where linebackers have accounted for multiple sacks. This

1232
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: last week it was four of them from Bobby Wagner

1233
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 3: and Frankie Luvu where Brett Bax are struggle what is

1234
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 3: it and how can it be fixed? Or can it?

1235
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 3: Not to mention the twists and stunts, and we saw

1236
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: a perfect example once again of the guy getting right

1237
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: into the tackle's hip and him not being able to

1238
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 3: do anything about in that leading to a sex. So

1239
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 3: similar things are happening over and over and over.

1240
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, pass protection is like Domino's right. You

1241
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 10: can have five guys do a really good job and protection.

1242
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 10: If they have a very small amount of things that

1243
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 10: you ask them to do, they can do it well.

1244
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 10: And if you don't ask them to hold onto their

1245
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 10: block for very long. You know, look back at Peyton

1246
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 10: Manning's all these offensive lines through years, like they weren't

1247
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 10: super talented. Then those guys struggled when they would go elsewhere,

1248
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 10: even when they would get big contracts, but they were

1249
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 10: asked to do very specific things like hey, just don't

1250
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 10: get the inside fast. Okay, I can be firm, I

1251
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 10: can force the guy to rush around me, and even

1252
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 10: if they twist, by the time the looper gets there,

1253
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 10: that the ball's gone right. So they can do those

1254
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 10: things because you don't ask them to do a lot

1255
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 10: as soon as you ask them to do more. You

1256
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 10: need more talent. And that means, hey, a quarterback is

1257
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 10: going to drop deeper, he's going to hold on to

1258
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 10: the ball longer. You know, we need to add play action,

1259
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 10: So we need to get those defensive linement running sideways

1260
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 10: before they're rushing, which adds a little bit of time

1261
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 10: in your pass protection where you're not actually pass protecting

1262
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 10: before you have to hold on for dear life. And

1263
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 10: the same thing with adding running backs chip help tight

1264
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 10: ends to the protection. You know, you see a lot

1265
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 10: of tackles in the NFL these days struggling. So what

1266
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 10: they do, Hey, just leave the running back in there

1267
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 10: and basically turn it into a double team. But now

1268
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 10: you have fewer guys in your routes, and so you

1269
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 10: need more accuracy in your throat. You need more decision

1270
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 10: making with deciding where to throw correctly and on time

1271
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 10: when you have fewer guys out in your passing concepts.

1272
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 10: And so I think when one of those dominoes start

1273
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 10: to fall when quarterbacks hanging on to the ball, he's

1274
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 10: not comfortable throwing the ball where it's supposed to be

1275
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 10: on time. Now they're adding pressures. Now you've got a

1276
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 10: running back who's maybe getting pushed back in the middle

1277
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 10: of the pass protection, which we saw a few times.

1278
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 10: You know, guys on defense, they're running those double A

1279
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 10: gap blitzes, they're running the cross dogs, and so they're

1280
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 10: just running over your running backs who are trying to

1281
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 10: step in there. And then now when you're adding second

1282
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 10: level blitzers, it's making you more susceptible to the stunts

1283
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 10: and the twists because you guys, you have guys on

1284
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 10: different level. It's really hard to pass off twists with

1285
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 10: running backs and linemen because usually they're on different levels,

1286
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 10: usually the running backs and getting pushed back a little bit.

1287
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 10: And so then now you have this whole host of

1288
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 10: problems that it's not one thing that is going to

1289
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 10: fix it. But sorry, it's not one thing in protection

1290
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 10: that's going to fix it. The one thing that fixes

1291
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 10: it is you've got to make them pay by throwing

1292
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 10: the ball down the field and making that defensive quarter

1293
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 10: to go, oh, I can't call that blitz again because

1294
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 10: they had a twenty five yard pass on me, And

1295
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 10: I feel better about just playing coverage and rushing four

1296
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 10: and trying to get home that way, And so I

1297
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 10: think you got to make them pay at some point

1298
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 10: because pretty much ninety percent of the running backs in

1299
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 10: the NFL, it's not a good matchup. When you got

1300
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 10: a linebacker run through the a gap with a five

1301
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 10: yard head start, it's just not a good matchup. They

1302
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 10: can hold up for a little while, they just can't

1303
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 10: hold up for very long. And so if you're going

1304
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 10: to see that consistently, now you've got to find a

1305
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 10: way to get your lineman on those guys where you're

1306
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 10: now doing a full turn of the offensive line, where

1307
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 10: basically now your line is taking those guys, but now

1308
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 10: you're vulnerable on the edge. So now you have to

1309
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 10: double team maybe a defensive end. You got to cut them,

1310
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 10: you got to run some play action stuff. You've got

1311
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 10: to do different things schematically to try to cover up

1312
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 10: for that stuff. But really, the only thing you can do,

1313
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 10: other than just getting better at all the individual parts,

1314
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 10: which certainly have not been able to thus far, you

1315
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 10: just got to start hitting some of those plays down

1316
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 10: the field and make them pay so that they don't

1317
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 10: call those books anymore.

1318
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: If we were one of thirteen on third down, the

1319
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: one was in the fourth quarter and obviously doesn't really count,

1320
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 2: so it's really oh for twelve and as Z point

1321
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: on it, earlier, we were zero of nineteen. We had

1322
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: a stretchery. Nineteen consecutive third downs we did not pick up.

1323
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: We had six series yesterday that we're three and out.

1324
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: Two more that was four, one, that was five. We

1325
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: are long past the notion of hey, let's go win

1326
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: the division or anything like that. We just got to

1327
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: go try to win a game. If that is the

1328
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: standard ask is to just go win a game at Philly,

1329
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: what is our best chance to do so offensively?

1330
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 10: Well? The reason we stink on third down is because

1331
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 10: just about every third down I'm watching, it's like third

1332
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 10: and eight, third and ten, third and fifteen. Our efficiency

1333
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 10: on first down and then second down it's awful like

1334
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 10: and that's because we can't complete passes when we throw it,

1335
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 10: and we can't run them very well when we're trying

1336
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 10: to run it. And so you got to look at

1337
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 10: yourself on a critical level on offense and say, okay,

1338
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 10: first and second down's let's fix that, and then third

1339
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 10: down potentially can take care of itself, or at least

1340
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 10: then we have a chance. But we got to figure out, Okay,

1341
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 10: what can we do well on first and second down

1342
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 10: that can gain positive yardage? And obviously the penalties have

1343
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 10: got to stop, right, You've got to eliminate those penalties.

1344
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 10: It's impossible when you put yourself in first and fifteen

1345
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 10: when you're not a very good offense to get yourself

1346
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 10: to a manageable third down. But you gotta look at

1347
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 10: yourself and say, okay, if what we're doing on first

1348
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 10: and second down is not working, okay, then we got

1349
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 10: to find something that can gain us some positive yards.

1350
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 10: And I talked a couple of weeks ago, and now

1351
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 10: I know we're not running the ball very well and

1352
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 10: we're not very good run blockers, but I think that

1353
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 10: at least gives you the best chance to have some

1354
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,959
Speaker 10: positive plays the first and second down and just say, hey,

1355
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 10: let's put Nick Harris in the backfield, you know, let's

1356
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 10: do some things to try to get big on our

1357
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 10: personnel and just try to turn it into a smash

1358
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 10: mouth first and second down. And then you'll have some

1359
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 10: play action shots off of that, because maybe now the

1360
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 10: defense is thinking, okay, we got to add a few

1361
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 10: players to the box. Maybe we'll get some easier one

1362
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 10: on one coverage with our receivers who we still think

1363
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 10: can get open on the edge. But let's just be

1364
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 10: a ground and pound right now, because the team that

1365
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 10: we want to be, which is wide open throwing the

1366
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 10: ball first, second, and third down, it's just not working.

1367
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 10: We just can't throw the ball right like that right now,

1368
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 10: and so let's focus and just say, hey, first and

1369
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 10: second down, we're just going to be ground and pound

1370
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 10: the ball to at least set ourselves up on third

1371
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 10: and manageable so we can get some first downs. Because

1372
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 10: I thought the defense overall played fairly well. But you're

1373
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 10: playing against a really good offense. And if your offense

1374
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 10: is not possessing the football at all, and you're going

1375
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 10: three and out, three and out, three and out, three

1376
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 10: and out, like those guys have no chance because eventually

1377
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 10: the levee's going to break on defense.

1378
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: All right, Fellow's time for little overreaction Monday from around

1379
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 2: the league. The town is to claim if this is

1380
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: reality or an overreaction? Hoff, I'll start with you, Derrick

1381
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: Henry makes the Ravens a Super Bowl contender? Is that

1382
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: reality or is that an overreaction?

1383
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 10: That's an overreaction, Derrick Henry has been a nice addition,

1384
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 10: and I think he's a good running back, and obviously

1385
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 10: he fits well with that team. But it's Lamar Jackson's show,

1386
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 10: like how he plays and how that defense plays is

1387
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 10: going to determine if they can win a Super Bowl,

1388
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 10: and their defense hasn't played up to the standard of

1389
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 10: a super Bowl team thus far. Lamar Jackson has played

1390
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 10: well at times, but certainly not MVP level in all

1391
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 10: of their games. I think Derrick Henry's a great addition,

1392
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 10: don't get me wrong, but running backs ain't winning you

1393
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 10: the Super Bowl.

1394
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and they were a good running team

1395
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 3: obviously had the long run, but he was pretty much

1396
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 3: bottled up before that against the Bengals. Lamar Jackson's singular

1397
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 3: greatness to two time MVP is what makes them a threat.

1398
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 3: Now I don't know that they I would call him

1399
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl threat, But at the same time, this

1400
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 3: year there isn't a great team. So anybody who who

1401
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: gets hot or has a player that is transcendent like

1402
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 3: he is, I think you have to consider to be

1403
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 3: in the mix, and they certainly are. But yeah, it's

1404
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: about him first and foremost.

1405
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 2: All Right, Douc is he this one, you get first

1406
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: reality over reaction. The Jets will miss the playoffs.

1407
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 3: Way too early to say. I do believe that Aaron

1408
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 3: Rodgers is not the guy that he was two years

1409
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: ago when we last saw him play for the Green

1410
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 3: Bay Packers, and that's readily apparent. But they've got a

1411
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 3: lot of talent, they've got good defense. Their schedule here,

1412
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 3: they're sitting at two and three. They got the Bills

1413
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 3: at home at Steelers, at Patriots home Texans at Cardinals

1414
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 3: home Colts than their bye week. I still think they

1415
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 3: can make the playoffs, but they're gonna have to be

1416
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 3: significantly better on offense, and he's gonna have to be

1417
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to be better. He can't. Part of

1418
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 3: it is he's not as accurate as he used to be,

1419
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 3: no at all.

1420
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: The interception on the side was brutal. He under through

1421
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 2: the out or the go.

1422
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 3: And he's had some one secret Wilson wide open that

1423
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 3: he's missed. And then he can't kind of navigate in

1424
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 3: the pocket and move around like he used to, and

1425
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 3: that's a problem.

1426
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree with Zee, but I actually think they're

1427
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,799
Speaker 10: going to make the playoffs. When you look at their division,

1428
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 10: right now. I mean pretty much everybody other than New

1429
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 10: England has got a chance to be right around five

1430
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 10: hundred and win the division with you know, nine and eight,

1431
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 10: eight and nine. Almost nobody's really separated themselves thus far

1432
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 10: with two of being out and definitely their Miami's not

1433
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 10: really a big threat. So it's really them and Buffalo

1434
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 10: are the two teams right now that you're saying, hey,

1435
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 10: they could compete for the division. Obviously think Buffalo's a

1436
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 10: much better team. But I think with Aaron Rodgers, your

1437
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 10: arm is the last thing to go at quarterback, right,

1438
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 10: your legs go. And when we've seen that a little

1439
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 10: bit with Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem to be able to

1440
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 10: scramble and move around and even plant and push off

1441
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 10: and do the things with the different arm angles and

1442
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 10: the different platforms that he had become such a part

1443
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 10: of his one of the all time greatest talented quarterbacks ability.

1444
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 10: But I think that's going to come back a little

1445
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 10: bit more, not necessarily the legs, but the accuracy, right

1446
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 10: because he can still throw the football. It's just to me,

1447
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 10: he's rusty and he hasn't been playing with these guys

1448
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 10: all that much. He missed the entire season last year,

1449
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 10: and so this is really the first time he's had

1450
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 10: a chance with these guys. Yeah, it's the same offense,

1451
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 10: and he's got some of the same names that he

1452
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 10: was throwing to in Green Bay, but it takes time.

1453
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 10: I mean, people forget how hard it is to play

1454
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 10: in the NFL. And that's kind of a silly statement,

1455
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 10: but players, more than anybody, forget how hard it is.

1456
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 10: And you're in the off season and in your mind

1457
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 10: you just think, you know, you forget about all the

1458
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 10: hard work that goes into it and all the timing

1459
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 10: and the practice and the challenge is that you face

1460
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 10: as an NFL player because you do it on a

1461
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 10: daily basis and it becomes routine. But then you step

1462
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 10: away and that's really the only time you realize, like

1463
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 10: how hard it is to be good and to be

1464
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 10: really good in this league. And so I think it's

1465
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 10: just a matter of him knocking that rust off. They're

1466
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 10: going to be around five hundred, which will give him

1467
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 10: a chance to make the playoffs there and even win

1468
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 10: their division.

1469
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 2: Off this one right back to you, we're going to

1470
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 2: talk about the Houston Texans. I'm going to amend this

1471
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 2: statement just a little bit. You're telling me if it's

1472
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: a reality or an overreaction, the Houston Texans are one

1473
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: of the teams to beat in the AFC. Is that

1474
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:15,480
Speaker 2: reality or an overreaction?

1475
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 10: No, I think that's definitely reality. They got a really

1476
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 10: tough defense, they got a really great young quarterback, and

1477
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 10: so I think they're certainly one of the teams to

1478
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 10: beat in the AFC.

1479
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 7: There at four and one right now.

1480
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 10: Obviously we think the Chiefs are. They're undefeated and they're

1481
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,839
Speaker 10: still the defending Super Bowl champs. They got Patrick Mahomes,

1482
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 10: so to me, they are the team to beat, but

1483
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 10: Houston will be there competing. Not anybody else right now

1484
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 10: who's playing as well consistently as Houston for sort of

1485
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 10: that number two slot within the AFC.

1486
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 2: I like them.

1487
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 3: They're four to zero one score games. They actually have

1488
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 3: a negative point differential after getting when they got blown

1489
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 3: out by the Vikings. But they get the Patriots this week,

1490
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 3: so they should get to five and one. I like

1491
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: their talent. They need Nico Collins to be healthy, and

1492
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 3: apparently he's day to day with that hamstring.

1493
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: Big yes, and big after he went out versus before

1494
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: they run away to route them route City, slump City.

1495
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 2: Then he went down and then their offense really got hamstrung.

1496
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 5: No, he is, he's the key.

1497
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs is a possession receiver at this point. Is

1498
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 3: he's nice and he's got great side eye as he

1499
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 3: gave that to Josh Allen. But he apparently he's got

1500
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 3: some other things going on as well that are making

1501
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 3: the rounds currently. Yes, but no, I like this Texans scene.

1502
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 3: I would like CJ Stroud a lot. But Nico Collins

1503
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 3: to me is the straw that really stirs that drink

1504
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 3: for CJ. Stroud And when he's out there, they're completely

1505
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,520
Speaker 3: different team, completely different. Absolutely.

1506
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: By the way, that shade of blue is so far

1507
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: different from the Oilers share they wore the h Town

1508
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 2: blues yesterday. The idea that they could not have made

1509
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 2: that blue the primary blue on that uniform, it's nonsense,

1510
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: utter nonsense.

1511
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 3: It's so far from.

1512
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 2: Oiler's blue reality or overreaction. This one for you, doctor

1513
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: Ze just saw him firsthand. Washington will win the NFC East.

1514
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,879
Speaker 3: It's a tough one. I think it is a reality.

1515
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 3: Dallas is pretty flawed, the Eagles are pretty flawed, the

1516
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 3: Giants are They're spunky, but their quarterback and the system

1517
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 3: they're running is so I'll say I'm gonna say yes.

1518
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 3: Now with the caveat of can this team I think

1519
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 3: the biggest question against around Washington is I think their

1520
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 3: defense will get better because they've got a good front

1521
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 3: and good linebackers. The big question for me, and they've

1522
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 3: got Dan Quinn. The big question for me is can

1523
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: they avoid the Cliff Kingsbury second half swoon where teams

1524
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 3: catch up to them? And now, the reason I believe

1525
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 3: that it's more likely yes is they're running, in many

1526
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 3: ways a very different offense than they ran there. They're

1527
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 3: running twelve personnel, thirteen personnel, they're running them all physically

1528
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 3: with Brian Robinson. Eckler looks cool, great in a role. Yes,

1529
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 3: he looks fantastic. So I think the answer is yes.

1530
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 3: I think they are a tough team to get off

1531
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 3: the field. Hey, one feather in the Browns cap for

1532
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 3: me yesterday and I'm being facetious. But also not is

1533
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 3: Trustway punted four times in this game. He had punted

1534
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 3: four times in four games going into it.

1535
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 2: What do you think, off.

1536
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 10: I think it's true and I like what huff uh.

1537
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 10: What Ze said is yeah, like what he said. So

1538
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 10: when I look at Washington right now, really what's their flaws?

1539
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 7: Defense?

1540
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 10: But I think dan Quinn is going to get that

1541
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 10: defense going. And I think when you're a new defensive

1542
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 10: coordinator sometimes it takes a little while for everybody to

1543
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 10: buy in to understand, Hey, how do I fit my

1544
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 10: one eleventh piece of this puzzle into this greater scheme

1545
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 10: on defense? And so I think the defense is going

1546
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 10: to continue to improve. I think this is a much

1547
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 10: different offense than when Cliff Kingsbury was in Arizona. And

1548
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 10: I think Jayden Daniels just watching them, he's so difficult

1549
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 10: to defend, and I don't really think there's a defense

1550
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 10: you can call a lot of times when your quarterback

1551
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 10: is an option to pull and run the football or

1552
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 10: to pull in throw it. And Jaden Daniels, to me,

1553
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 10: is just a much better all around quarterback in this

1554
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 10: system than Kyler Murray. And so I think this is

1555
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 10: an offense that can continue to roll. They're running the

1556
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 10: ball really really tough, and on defense, when you're facing him,

1557
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 10: you got to make a decision, Hey do we want

1558
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 10: to try to take away some of this run game stuff,

1559
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 10: which is not just running back driven. It's also Jadon

1560
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 10: Daniels has got three hundred yards rushing in the season,

1561
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 10: and so it makes it really difficult when you've got

1562
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 10: a tough running game with running backs and a quarterback,

1563
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 10: but you also got a quarterback who's throwing dimes down

1564
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 10: the field and you got scary Terry running around all

1565
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 10: over the field. I mean, it's just a team that

1566
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 10: makes you defend from sideline to sideline and all the

1567
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 10: way vertically from your end zone down to the other

1568
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 10: side of the field, and you have to defend every

1569
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,799
Speaker 10: blade of grass, which there's always going to be holes available.

1570
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 10: So I really see Washington as a clear favorite there

1571
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 10: in the NFC East.

1572
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: Just a couple of minutes left with a Hoff, We'll

1573
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: get you out of here on this one, buddy. It

1574
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 2: is Philly on sun at one o'clock. Is if it's

1575
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 2: not bad enough that it's another road game, or that

1576
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 2: it's Philly, who has a lot of talent. They also

1577
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 2: got healthy. They had a bye week, so they got

1578
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: to sit and watch while we got bludgeoned in Washington.

1579
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 2: What do you hope to see Sunday? What do you

1580
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: realistically expect to see Sunday?

1581
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 10: Well, I hope to see a much different offense than

1582
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 10: what we've seen, and not just from an execution standpoint,

1583
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 10: like what we said and what Zie had talked about

1584
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 10: early on, like let's change who we are right now

1585
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 10: because who we are is not working, And so that

1586
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 10: can kind of mitigate some of the benefit that the

1587
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 10: Philadelphia Eagles would have coming into this game coming off

1588
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 10: of a bye week. They all of a sudden, we're

1589
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 10: running different schemes, We're doing different things on offense, We're

1590
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 10: changing who we are a little bit more to maybe

1591
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 10: some of that Kevin Stefanski stuff where you're running the

1592
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 10: ball in first and second down, more play action, more

1593
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 10: under center, more pistol, a little less shotgun, and now

1594
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 10: you have an opportunity to maybe surprise the Eagles just

1595
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 10: a little bit in their team with just as many

1596
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 10: questions as we are going into this game, and so

1597
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 10: I think you have a chance early on in this

1598
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 10: game to jump on them with some different things doing

1599
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 10: stuck that they haven't seen on film and continue them

1600
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 10: thinking and scratching their heads, going, WHOA, what's going on?

1601
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 10: Who are we? And pretty quickly I think that team

1602
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 10: stops believing in themselves because This is kind of like

1603
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 10: the Bowl of two teams coming in going all right,

1604
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 10: who's gonna believe that they can make anything of their

1605
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 10: season coming out of this? And whoever wins the first quarter,

1606
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 10: to me, is going to win that game.

1607
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: Half great stuff as always, buddy, great talking.

1608
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 5: Thanks for having them, Thanks for having me.

1609
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 10: I missed you. We'll see it in a couple of weeks.

1610
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get the gift of lyft. That's all we need.

1611
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 2: By the way, the Hoff calling you Hofzie reminds me

1612
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 2: of Steve.

1613
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 3: Zie for Steve Zie from Eastbound.

1614
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 2: No no, no from Uh. It's uh like they ever

1615
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 2: called it. Snows calls him Steve Zie, Steves Steve Zee. Yeah,

1616
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 2: the great z suits, Yeah, eating, he's been eating.

1617
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Speaker 5: Swallowed hole.

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Speaker 2: j Oka's interception in the first.

1634
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 3: Quarter, third and goal from the five yard line.

1635
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 6: Now Daniels with Robinson to the backfield, back to throw,

1636
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 6: looking into.

1637
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 12: Throwing, intercepted j Okay hasn't at the two, and there

1638
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 12: is the first Browns interception of the season.

1639
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Speaker 2: There you go, all right, there you go by the way.

1640
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 3: You know what I was, what I did when I

1641
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 3: talked to me, bummed out, I decided to take a

1642
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 3: gander it the scores.

1643
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 2: Hey, the kids are back back, kids are back.

1644
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna be I'm gonna be at work.

1645
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 3: If I win tonight, I'll be up for the season.

1646
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 3: If I lose tonight, I'll be even for the season.

1647
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 3: But we did it. We a very big week, right,

1648
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 3: I got nine up for both of us.

1649
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it. I think we're cruising a

1650
01:20:59,200 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 2: little bit sweet.

1651
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 3: Which nine and which is nine and four?

1652
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 2: Because we have fewer There are.

1653
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 3: Only fourteen games, correct, we have a chance for ten

1654
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 3: and four?

1655
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 2: Clawing our way out. I am anyway clawing my way same.

1656
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 3: We're both under. We're both under, but and are only

1657
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 3: we split. I got Houston and you got a Chicago.

1658
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 3: And other than that, we were lockstep all over the

1659
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 3: place and did a good job. Evan McPherson cost us

1660
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 3: from this being a real banger of a week.

1661
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so McDermott costs me too, with the way

1662
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: that he managed the end to give CJ that much time. Well,

1663
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: I was fine, It's fine for me.

1664
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a bad US should have won that

1665
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 3: game anyway.

1666
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: Uh, Well, they would have without Nico, they would have

1667
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: when he if he stays in, they would have. Yeah,

1668
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: they were certainly doing that. Some just a strange start

1669
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: to the season, not just here. And I know we'll

1670
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: go into the league at large tomorrow, you know, when

1671
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: we go around the league in one thought and all

1672
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,799
Speaker 2: those things. But the forty nine ers up two scores

1673
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 2: twice and have lost games up two scores, Like, that's

1674
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 2: not something that they've ever done under Kyle is to

1675
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 2: lose once they get up two scores. Baltimore up two

1676
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 2: scores on the Raiders and loss, Like, just weird stuff

1677
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 2: that's happened.

1678
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 3: They have been in in their losses. They have been

1679
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 3: in a ninety percent win probability for like a quarter. Yeah,

1680
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 3: that's crazy. That never happens, by the way, just an

1681
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 3: interesting for those who are like the stats of it.

1682
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 3: The two weeks that I succeeded on guess the lines

1683
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 3: are the two weeks that I've been positive. Huh, so

1684
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 3: there is a correlation. Gibbe asked that. He goes, oh,

1685
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 3: these are and they are much more normal lines than

1686
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 3: I had a better feel for it, and then we

1687
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 3: ended up doing better Seattle, the Giants was a stunner,

1688
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 3: Arizona was a stunner, and the Niners were I thought

1689
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 3: gonna put that game away they were up twenty to ten,

1690
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 3: and then obviously McPherson. Other than that, we're dial bro.

1691
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I like what you said to Hoff two.

1692
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: And it goes into tonight's game where Kansas City. I

1693
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 2: think is a five or it's five of and a

1694
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,959
Speaker 2: hook ski is it? Oh? I saw it.

1695
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,799
Speaker 5: It's on the run. Is it five and a half?

1696
01:22:59,000 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 5: Five and a half?

1697
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: I saw at a fiver? Yeah, but I'll take five

1698
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 2: and a half. What uh when you said earlier like

1699
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 2: there is no great team? Mm hmm, there isn't. There's

1700
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 2: no I mean, Kansas City's undefeated. They could easily have

1701
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 2: two or three losses easily easy, very easily, just one

1702
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: call here or there, and they are battered rice uh

1703
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 2: Pacheco that they are beaten up and battered like it's

1704
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 2: so like there are you. There are all these things

1705
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: that are happening around the league the way that we thought.

1706
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: Think about what's happened to Miami out of the gates folks,

1707
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 2: and the loss of Tua. They got a scratch and

1708
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 2: claw to win it New England and try to keep

1709
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:39,839
Speaker 2: their head above water.

1710
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 3: And probably shouldn't have one of the wall which one

1711
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 3: weird and ugly ahead again.

1712
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so I didn't see, or maybe I did. It

1713
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: was out of the corner my eyes. So I had

1714
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 2: Red Zone on one TV. I had our game on

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01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: one TV, and then I had Bengals and Ravens on

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01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 2: the other right.

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01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 3: If I'm a wide receiver in the National Football League, demonstrated.

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01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 3: If I'm a wide receiver in the National Football League,

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01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 3: this is the back line of the end zone right

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01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 3: behind me. I catch a pass.

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01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: Over my shoulders, catching a pass over his shoulder. Yep,

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01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 2: toes in.

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01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 3: That's a touchdown.

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01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 2: That's a touchdown.

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01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 3: If I'm in the back of the end zone, yes,

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01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 3: and I catch a pass like this toes in and

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01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 3: then my heels.

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01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 2: Somehow that's not correct. How No, it's a terrible one.

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01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: It got us a couple of years ago. Remember that game?

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01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 2: What game was that when that got us in the line?

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01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 3: In the scores, it wasn't It wasn't us. It wasn't

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01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 3: a Browns game.

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01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 2: In the scores, We're like, what are we doing? So

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01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 2: any two toes is a touchdown?

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01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 3: Are you in possession? And two toes in you're in?

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01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 2: That's touchdown?

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01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 3: Why would it Why if you fall on to the

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01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 3: top of your foot out of bounds, I don't know.

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01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 3: Is that different than your heel.

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01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: If you've dragged the toe, you've dragged that, then you've

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01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 3: dragged the toe. The end. It would be like saying

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01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 3: that saying, because you're going backwards, is it walking?

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01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 2: I agree, No, there's that's crazy. They won last night.

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01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh won last night. But McCarthy, yeah, is a big fan.

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01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 2: Uh McCarthy's challenge on the fields fumble.

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01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 3: I was long gone. I did not. I was long

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01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 3: gone for that. I watched some of SNL when so.

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01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 2: Really, I mean he fumbles it, the balls on the ground,

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01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 2: nobody has it and feels rips it away and walks

1751
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,759
Speaker 2: away and hands the ball to the official and McCarthy

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01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 2: challenges it.

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01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 3: Well, maybe I thought it was gonna happen to us

1754
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 3: in Washington when Duke Johnson had and they gave it

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01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 3: to a ball, Well.

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 2: He always work and handed it. No, I guess not.

1757
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 3: They did happen to us.

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01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 2: That was the longest day in NFL history as well,

1759
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 2: because it started with London games, so it's well over

1760
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 2: sixteen hours straight of football because of the delay in Pittsburgh.

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01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 3: Nak Prescott is the first I read this. I don't

1762
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 3: know if it's actually factually true, but I believe it is.

1763
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 3: He is the first quarterback to throw an interception in

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01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 3: two different days on the same in the same game.

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01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 2: Oh, because it reached past Yeah.

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01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 3: I watched the first quarter and then I'm like, I

1767
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 3: mean they should have raised him.

1768
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's had a lot going on all

1769
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 2: of the AFC. North Baltimore's three and two Baltimore, and

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01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 2: they feel clearly the best, most stable. I think you

1771
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: could argue, and I know it makes no sense because

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01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 2: record wise, but I think Cincinnati's situation I like better

1773
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: even than Pittsburgh's because they have Burrow and Chase and Higgins,

1774
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 2: and you know they're gonna throw out for three hundred

1775
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: every game and they'll have success, and I think eventually

1776
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: they'll win these games they're losing. They have three one

1777
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 2: score losses this year. Eventually they'll win those games and

1778
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 2: get things turned around. Pittsburgh's problems could be I mean,

1779
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 2: they got personality issues, by the way, Like you have

1780
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 2: Antonio Brown and they win every year, so it's hard

1781
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 2: to be say like critical or whatever, but like they

1782
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 2: had Antonio Brown that went off the rails, and then

1783
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: it's Deonta Johnson, Chase, Claypool, Pickens, like all had character

1784
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 2: questions coming into the league, and they've all reared their

1785
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 2: ugly Heads.

1786
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson's good, right.

1787
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 2: But there's off field there, there's off field.

1788
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 3: Claypool, but he's actually been good. Pickens has been flash good,

1789
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 3: Claypole has been.

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01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,560
Speaker 2: He's just one. It was one of the worst. Bus

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01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 2: just yeah, yes, just just totals. But it's a crazy

1792
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 2: league right now. It is an absolutely crazy league. We

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01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 2: got a score for you. We have the Saints and

1794
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. We will pick that one. Coming up next

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01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,839
Speaker 2: to list to Cleveland Browns Daily on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Happy Birthday, Beamsy. He turns eleven today, Young Beamsy does

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Speaker 2: the arbiter of truth. The Abraham Abraham Lenke in Happy

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Speaker 2: Birthday Beamsy. Beamsy is eleven, So he was one of

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01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 2: the things. The reason I call him Beamsy is because

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01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 2: of Parker Beam and Jim Beam and but all of that,

1806
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 2: But I like that named Parker Beams. I called him

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01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 2: Beamsy like a month ago. He's like, well, Dad, where

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01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 2: did you get Beamsy? And I said, well, it's Parker

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01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 2: beam And he goes, you name me after whiskey, And

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01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 2: I so know.

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01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 3: I love that he knew that just from you say yeah, I.

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01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: Go, yeah, that was I named you after I didn't

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01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 2: name you after whiskey. But it works out.

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01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 5: I like the what what did what do we do

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01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 5: for the young buck?

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01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 9: This?

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01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there's this great place down in Canton

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01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 2: where they have like f one go karts that fly.

1819
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 2: It's brand new, it's awesome, awesome. We went down there.

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01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 2: It was absolutely sensational. Him and his buddies all race.

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01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 2: We did that for a couple hours, and then we

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01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 2: had a little party with his buddies on Saturday, and

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01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: then we had family party yesterday. So today he'll do

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01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: uniform fitting for travel basketball this afternoon. That's he's going

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01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 2: to celebrate.

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01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 3: I think you should get him every every year. Does

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01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 3: he like the jersey still? Is he still rock jerseys?

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01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 5: No?

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01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 2: They're all kind of faded on there out.

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01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 3: And I was gonna say, get them a get them

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01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 3: a good number eleven. What'll be the best eleven that

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01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 3: you could get? Colts Jeff George.

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01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 2: You know, my brother and I do that. We say

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01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 2: happy whatever jersey number of the age you are. And

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01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: as you get in the forties, it becomes r to

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01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 2: find cool ones. There's a lot of cool one like

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01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 2: forty two, forty four, there's a lot of cool. Yeah, late,

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01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 2: but as you start to get late forties, it gets

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01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 2: a little dicey well at dealing with offensive lind Well

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01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 2: and you got singletary. You have some linebackers out there, Reggie,

1841
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 2: you know there's some linebackers out there. Fifty seven with Clay,

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01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 2: there's some of those that are out there. But yeah,

1843
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 2: we used to always do that. That's a good idea,

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01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: like to get the eleven that would be solid.

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01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 6: So Monday night football, I need a score, gentlemen. The

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01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 6: Saints have lost two in a row. They're two and

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01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 6: two visiting Arrowhead and the Kansas City Chiefs.

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01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes, hoot.

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01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 2: Who's at the back door?

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01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 3: Is that Derek karn Rashid Shaheit?

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01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 12: Now it's Deuce McAllister, whoa baby Joe Horn on his shoulders.

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01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 12: Joe Horn is coming back. Pet Swelling, Ricky Jackson, arch Manning,

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Speaker 12: Archie Manning.

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Speaker 3: Arch Man is gonna be on the Manning Cast to night,

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01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 3: is he? He's the last guest.

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01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 2: Pretty good job out of them. Yeah, it feels like

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01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 2: that to me, right, You with.

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01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 3: Me, I'm with you, I'm with you.

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01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 2: When the Saints come marching in, they'll only lose by

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Speaker 2: four tonight. That's right, go Guards as well. We are

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow. The next level is coming up next. Sex

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Speaker 2: for lists Abady Cleveland Browns Daily at fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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