Speaker 1: Bo I needs a break. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: sounded like the extors is there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Remember I was a.
Speaker 3: Smoker Camsy Media large.
Speaker 4: So Rory, what's the best way to embezzle money from
Speaker 4: the government?
Speaker 2: Why do you? Why do you ask? It?
Speaker 5: Is though you think I'm some sort of hardened criminal
Speaker 5: on this podcast, and that's what I bring to the show,
Speaker 5: is knowing how to embezzle money. Also, I want to
Speaker 5: backtrack and say thank you for respecting me enough to
Speaker 5: know what embezzle means.
Speaker 2: First thing that came to uh to.
Speaker 5: Mind, and this has made way off for some reason,
Speaker 5: my brain was like the horse races.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you're the So you work in a town
Speaker 4: with the horse track.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well we all aspire to the greater heights
Speaker 2: than mine is horse track racing in town?
Speaker 4: Okay. Well, this was a tough one. I didn't expect
Speaker 4: you have a embezzlement scheme in mind. Each of these
Speaker 4: is a test, right If you answered right away, we
Speaker 4: might be worried.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 4: But the answer I was looking for was establish a
Speaker 4: successful psychic practice and bewitch a city official to lavish.
Speaker 1: You with gifts.
Speaker 5: Okay, This is going to sound crazy, but psychically that
Speaker 5: was going to be my second thing.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, so believe that or not.
Speaker 4: This week we're going deep inside the wild world of
Speaker 4: psychics slash mediums who pray on innocent mayors in France Dushane,
Speaker 4: which means I think, don't change the channel if Google
Speaker 4: can be believed. Welcome back to Crimeless, the podcast that
Speaker 4: celebrates the amazing creativity of the.
Speaker 5: World's dumbest criminals. I'm Josh Dean and I am Rory Scovel.
Speaker 1: Okay, Rory.
Speaker 4: Today's story, as I said, takes place in France. Have
Speaker 4: you ever been to France.
Speaker 2: I've been to France for my honeymoon.
Speaker 4: Was it as romantic as they say?
Speaker 2: It was very romantic.
Speaker 5: We rented a car after being in Paris a little
Speaker 5: bit and then drove to the south of France and
Speaker 5: then over to Italy and it was great. I got
Speaker 5: a flat tire immediately in a small town and my
Speaker 5: wife had to go into a pub and speak a
Speaker 5: little bit of French to see if anyone could help.
Speaker 1: Us with the tire.
Speaker 5: Did they they did? An old man showed up and
Speaker 5: I thought we would need more than just changing a
Speaker 5: tire type situation. But I found all the tools before
Speaker 5: he got there, and I started to change the tire,
Speaker 5: and then he showed up and was like, oh, you Americans,
Speaker 5: don't you need someone else to change your tire for you?
Speaker 5: And it's only because I didn't think we had the
Speaker 5: tools all.
Speaker 4: Right, for all of our fans in the South of France,
Speaker 4: including old menufixed tires. This actually takes place in the
Speaker 4: South of France. I think you went to the South
Speaker 4: of France and took a left.
Speaker 1: This would have been if you'd taken a right. So yep.
Speaker 4: So our story involves a mayor, a psychic, and a
Speaker 4: disembodied voice from the Great Beyond. Also a war between
Speaker 4: nudists and swingers.
Speaker 2: Can't believe I haven't heard this already, So first.
Speaker 4: Let's meet the mayor who's the star of our story.
Speaker 4: His name is uh and pardon, I can't believe I
Speaker 4: get to say this unironically, but pardon my French. His
Speaker 4: name is Gille de Tour. He's a polished looking middle
Speaker 4: aged guy with salt and pepper hair, looks snappy in
Speaker 4: a dress shirt, and until things went sideways, he's just
Speaker 4: another government suit unclear whether or not he wears a beret.
Speaker 2: God, I love that name. Jill Niciel.
Speaker 4: He was born the seaside town of Agde, a little
Speaker 4: over an hour from the Spanish border, and his father
Speaker 4: was the deputy mayor in the nineteen seventy so he's
Speaker 4: a second generation politician. Of course. He started his career
Speaker 4: as a secret service officer and a policeman and then
Speaker 4: returned home to run for office, and as a hometown
Speaker 4: boy with deep roots, he was very well liked by
Speaker 4: the people. Jiel began his first term in two thousand
Speaker 4: and one and was basically unstoppable. He won five elections
Speaker 4: in a row.
Speaker 2: Have you ever run for anything outside of student government?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Were you student body president?
Speaker 5: No? No, I don't even know what imbezzel means. They
Speaker 5: don't let you fair, fair, fair.
Speaker 4: So Jill was on track to make history as the
Speaker 4: longest sitting mayor in the city's history. All around, just
Speaker 4: the highly respected member of the community.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Now this is a tourist town. It swells from around
Speaker 4: thirty thousand people, so you know, decent sized town on
Speaker 4: an average winter day, to almost three hundred thousand during summer.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is.
Speaker 2: I mean, people are out and about, they're ready to
Speaker 2: be and people want to be. In France, it gets
Speaker 2: it all times bigger though. Yeah, well there. I mean,
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you why, but I just assume, like
Speaker 2: anywhere else, people are ready to party.
Speaker 4: Two hundred and eighty thousand people on their honeymoons.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people get married right before
Speaker 5: summer kicks in.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm sorry, that's incorrect.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Now.
Speaker 5: Do you know what a naturist resort is is that
Speaker 5: where they're like, hey, no clothes, just come in, Let's
Speaker 5: just be Adam and Eve for his lung. Let's let's
Speaker 5: be Adam and Eve before Apple's correct.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's correct.
Speaker 4: So this town has a nickname, Like New York, it's
Speaker 4: sometimes called the Naked City, only in this case it's
Speaker 4: because it's home to one of the world's most popular
Speaker 4: nudist resorts.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: So, but you're saying, just to clarify for our listeners,
Speaker 5: you're not saying the town is a nudist.
Speaker 4: It contains the largest nudist resort. But I think there's
Speaker 4: a significant amount of spillover, got it. Okay, I think
Speaker 4: the borders. I don't know, like what kind of walled
Speaker 4: fences or walls we have around nudist resorts. It's a
Speaker 4: it's a place of freedom. So I'm guessing, like, you know.
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you for that, because I wanted to continue
Speaker 5: to picture something very fun and so I'm going to.
Speaker 4: Okay, great, and we're not just talking about nude beaches.
Speaker 4: And in Nature's resort, you grocery shop, you go to
Speaker 4: the bank, you ride your vest bow with a baguette
Speaker 4: under your arm, all in the nude.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: One of the local beaches was nicknamed the Bay of Pigs,
Speaker 4: and not because it had a connection to Cuba. It
Speaker 4: was because of the amount of naked people who sun
Speaker 4: themselves there, which does not paint the sexiest picture of
Speaker 4: the clientele.
Speaker 5: I gotta say, yeah, it's definitely not complimenting your clientele
Speaker 5: in any way whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Get out there, you naked pigs, go soak. Come some
Speaker 2: of that son, turn into bacon as fast as you can.
Speaker 1: It's a great French accent.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: If I didn't pay all that money for voice lessons,
Speaker 5: I would be upset. But it's paying off anyway.
Speaker 4: All these naked folks running around has created a bit
Speaker 4: of a problem. Can you guess what that problem might be?
Speaker 2: Um? No, No, can't.
Speaker 4: Agda has become a hot spot for swingers and sex parties.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I mean I guess. I just thought that
Speaker 5: was a part of the not part of the problem.
Speaker 5: I thought that was part of the solution.
Speaker 4: Well, it's created some tension in the community of nudists
Speaker 4: because more traditional naturists are simply in this for the
Speaker 4: freedom man. They think swingers have sullied the whole reputation
Speaker 4: of this beautiful practice.
Speaker 1: Interesting, so things got.
Speaker 4: Weird and even dangerous. According to a two thousand and
Speaker 4: eight report in the Sunday Times, three separate sex clubs
Speaker 4: were set on fire, and everyone suspected that radical naturists
Speaker 4: were behind it.
Speaker 5: I said, naturists, naturists. I like both naturists. I'm a naturist.
Speaker 4: However, that's the story for another episode. This is just
Speaker 4: providing some very important, full frontal context for the setting
Speaker 4: where this takes place.
Speaker 2: So wow, that's a real tease right there, Josh.
Speaker 4: So, anyway, we're here to talk about the mayor of
Speaker 4: this naked town. He's fully clothed for the purposes of
Speaker 4: this episode. And in twenty twenty, he's celebrating his fifth
Speaker 4: win when a colleague, a local cop, introduces him to someone.
Speaker 4: He was like, you got to meet this woman. She's
Speaker 4: a healer in a medium. She's Toady magnifique. And you
Speaker 4: should also know that the mayor's got some daddy issues.
Speaker 4: He's always felt like he lived in the shadows of
Speaker 4: his father. He was an important debuty mayor when Jill
Speaker 4: was a kid, but then his dad passed away, and
Speaker 4: ever since then, Jill had been struggling to cope with it.
Speaker 4: He had even been getting in touch with the spiritual side,
Speaker 4: thinking about the meaning of everything, the afterlife, even considering
Speaker 4: some fringe practices to try and stay in touch with
Speaker 4: his dad.
Speaker 5: All very classic mayor activity, you know, total extracurricular activity.
Speaker 4: So when this cop says you should speak to my psychic,
Speaker 4: he takes some it seriously, right, He's like, maybe I
Speaker 4: should think about this, And three months later he does.
Speaker 4: He makes an appointment with a woman named Sophia Martinez.
Speaker 4: Have you ever consulted a psychic?
Speaker 5: I haven't, and part of me feels like they know
Speaker 5: I'm probably never going to show up.
Speaker 1: How about your wife?
Speaker 4: She goes to psychic.
Speaker 5: She's never gone to a psychic, but she is on
Speaker 5: the verge of becoming a mayor, if you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. This becomes slang for people who visit psychics.
Speaker 5: We got a real mayor over here, or nudists. We
Speaker 5: had a real nude French.
Speaker 2: Mayor over here.
Speaker 4: So this woman, Sophia Martinez, was, in her own words quote,
Speaker 4: a specialist in the cleansing of energy for people and places.
Speaker 4: She's in her forties. She lives in town with her
Speaker 4: six kids.
Speaker 1: From three marriages. France Man yep.
Speaker 4: Her services include hypnosis, tarot card readings, even seances. A
Speaker 4: few former clients have reported objects flying around the room
Speaker 4: during sessions and that she often reveals details about their
Speaker 4: lives that she could never have possibly known. And her
Speaker 4: clientele includes intellectuals, architects, executives, even cops. So the mayor's
Speaker 4: in good company. He's not like being crazy or extremely woo.
Speaker 1: By going to Sophia.
Speaker 4: Okay, got it, So let's not judge the mayor yet.
Speaker 4: So anyway, Sophia and Jiels have their first communication session.
Speaker 4: She tells him things she couldn't possibly have known about
Speaker 4: his dad, like a nickname his dad had used for
Speaker 4: his last partner, and Gill walks away from this meeting
Speaker 4: convinced that the woman is the real deal. He's like
Speaker 4: this this I trust this woman.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So they start having regular sessions, often by phone, and
Speaker 4: according to the mayor, their relationship is amicable, although some
Speaker 4: witnesses have heard him call her darling.
Speaker 5: And also our listeners should know, just because this is
Speaker 5: all theater of the mind. These two people are fully
Speaker 5: clothed during these sessions, but if you want a picture
Speaker 5: that they're both naked.
Speaker 2: It does add a little spice to the story.
Speaker 4: It does, And to be honest, we didn't look that up.
Speaker 4: They could be. I mean, were assuming he was fully
Speaker 4: clothed because the mayor generally wore clothes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's go there.
Speaker 2: Gill's a clothing guy.
Speaker 4: Run wild people, and so you know, he starts to
Speaker 4: call her darling, and then a few sessions in things
Speaker 4: take a turn.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, that's after the break.
Speaker 4: So one day, Shiel's talking with Sophia as he normally would.
Speaker 4: I imagine him giggling while twirling the cord of his landline,
Speaker 4: a very timely reference. People are like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: are you talking about? When he hears another voice.
Speaker 2: On the line, you didn't see this coming, okay, it
Speaker 2: was it was his dad. It was his dad.
Speaker 4: Damn it, Rory, you're too good at the show.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: You're too good. You're too good. You see, you are
Speaker 4: a master criminal.
Speaker 2: This is what embezzling means.
Speaker 4: It is gonna it's all gonna come around. So, yes,
Speaker 4: this voice is deep masculine, definitely not Sofia and introduces
Speaker 4: himself to Gille as Papa.
Speaker 2: Oh, here we go.
Speaker 4: The mayor believes that Papa is none other than I
Speaker 4: was going to ask you to guest, but you already guest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, solved it his dad. Yeah, why wouldn't you believe that?
Speaker 5: Of course he's on a phone, living in the afterlife.
Speaker 5: That's still a primary form of a communication.
Speaker 4: And you definitely would not suspect that someone else was
Speaker 4: doing the voice, right, And.
Speaker 1: Of course it's dad, right.
Speaker 5: Of course, his dad was like, look, I could just
Speaker 5: come visit you as a ghostly you know, being, and
Speaker 5: we could cut out the middleman over here that you're
Speaker 5: paying for.
Speaker 2: However, why would we do that.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what mediums are for, I think, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: exactly right, Okay. So Jille is convinced by Sophia's power,
Speaker 4: of her ability to summon voices from the afterlife, she
Speaker 4: was a conduit for spirits. And these conversations pick up
Speaker 4: in frequency, often ten times a day.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't talk to my wife in the same
Speaker 5: house ten times a day.
Speaker 1: Fair point, nor do I.
Speaker 4: Jill's maybe a little vulnerable.
Speaker 1: I don't want to judge yet. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So they're having these discussions of incredible depth. The kindie
Speaker 4: says he could never have had with the regular old
Speaker 4: Sophia given her quote intellectual capabilities. Man man, so he
Speaker 4: thinks Sophia is too dumb to be making this up.
Speaker 4: But I wonder who's the dumb one. Yeah, So the
Speaker 4: mayor starts to see Papa as a spiritual mentor, asking
Speaker 4: questions about life, death, the meaning of it all. I
Speaker 4: can't even imagine what advice he could be giving.
Speaker 1: Back to the mayor.
Speaker 2: I'm I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm just fascinated by the idea of someone just falling
Speaker 5: from them. It feels like hypnosis, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I've never been hypnotized, but I live in a world
Speaker 5: of skepticism about it. However, if someone's like, all hypnotize
Speaker 5: you right now. I don't believe that it won't happen,
Speaker 5: So who knows. Maybe Jill is, like you said, wildly vulnerable.
Speaker 5: And at no point is he like are you sure
Speaker 5: that you sure this ain't some other person? Like how
Speaker 5: does this How does this papa sound like his papa?
Speaker 1: This is the guy running the town.
Speaker 5: This is also the guy in charge.
Speaker 4: Of five consecutive elections. He's he's an unbeatable incumbent mayor
Speaker 4: who just keeps winning. Yeah, you know the French, they're romantics. Well,
Speaker 4: now he has a connection to the afterlife and he
Speaker 4: can tell all those ghosts, Hey, will you go scare
Speaker 4: voters that we're going to vote for the other person
Speaker 4: not to show up tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 4: One of their favorite topics, One of Papa's favorite topics
Speaker 4: on the call is Sophia. Yeah, he says, Sophia special.
Speaker 4: She's a saint. Jill was chosen to protect her and
Speaker 4: her family. And there's one real blockbuster of a revelation.
Speaker 4: In a previous life, Jill was an Egyptian priestess who
Speaker 4: had a child with Tutan common okay, and that child
Speaker 4: was reincarnated in.
Speaker 1: Who my god, Sophia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, I mean you can tell there's a familial connection.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she always there's in common.
Speaker 5: Love that someone says that to you and you don't
Speaker 5: go what instead you go huh oh oh neat. I
Speaker 5: haven't got to that part of our scrap book yet.
Speaker 4: I mean, really swinging for the fences with this reincarnated
Speaker 4: like could have used like, you know, an old French guy.
Speaker 5: Nope, you know that these two con artists were just
Speaker 5: talking like do.
Speaker 2: We throw the tutin common at him? Let's I think
Speaker 2: he'd go for it. Let's just see.
Speaker 4: So like basically, at this point, he's convinced that he's
Speaker 4: cosmically entwined with this one. Yeah, she's the reincarnated form
Speaker 4: of his former daughter that he'd had as a woman
Speaker 4: with tudin common yright. So yeah, naturally he's all in,
Speaker 4: can you see where this is going?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I can see where it's going, and I know that
Speaker 5: the word mbezzlement is involved.
Speaker 4: So Gill starts paying for things her birthday parties and vacations.
Speaker 4: He hires a personal driver to take her kids to school.
Speaker 4: He gave a relative's cushy jobs at town hall he
Speaker 4: funded her passion project, which was naturally a comic book yeah,
Speaker 4: titled Sophia From Darkness.
Speaker 1: To Light Yep.
Speaker 4: The mayor even helped plan and paid for her her
Speaker 4: lavish third wedding in a castle part of Chateau, and
Speaker 4: then walked her down the aisle.
Speaker 1: Yes, unclear if Papa was in attendance.
Speaker 4: It's also not one hundred percent clear at first where
Speaker 4: the mayor was getting all this money.
Speaker 1: He's just a humble civil sermon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're starting to see it's you know, we look
Speaker 2: at you look at someone like Sophia like this as
Speaker 2: being a criminal, and yet at the same time you're like,
Speaker 2: what's what's the criminal activity?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: So far crime so far, wildly innocent and wildly respect
Speaker 5: I like what I'm hearing, all right, good.
Speaker 4: Good, But people start to suspect that Jill may be raiding.
Speaker 1: The town's coffers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: For example, Papa told the mayor that Sophia needed a
Speaker 4: new veranda to better serve her clients. So Gille hires
Speaker 4: a contractor to redo the veranda. But the contractor is
Speaker 4: a little bit nervous because he finds out that the
Speaker 4: city is actually paying for it. So according to that contractor.
Speaker 4: Gille says they would fudge an invoice and borrow the
Speaker 4: money from the city's sports club budget solved.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is why he's a five time champion.
Speaker 4: Really, I mean I got to imagine on some level,
Speaker 4: embezzlement is happening at every you know, like I mean,
Speaker 4: maybe you're not paying off the medium who's the reincarnated
Speaker 4: form of.
Speaker 1: Your daughter with toot in common.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like you know, you're giving someone a job
Speaker 4: or moving somebody's resume at the top. That's not embezzlement. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's corruption. I guess corruption is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: For me to believe that.
Speaker 4: Not every government official corrupt on some level, this is
Speaker 4: how skeptical I've become.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So anyway, this kind of creative accounting goes on for
Speaker 4: three years, oh Gial not making the French cops seem
Speaker 4: super sharp. Yeah, but you know we're not here to
Speaker 4: judge them. Yeah, but not everyone was as entranced as Gille.
Speaker 4: And in October of twenty twenty three, the mayor ex wife,
Speaker 4: you know, we haven't talked about her at all, but
Speaker 4: there's Geraldine, his ex wife. She's had enough. She called
Speaker 4: the cops. She alleged that Sophia has bewitched her ex
Speaker 4: husband Shocker. She also suspected he was stealing money from
Speaker 4: the city to fund the relationship. Yeah, police, I think
Speaker 4: they call them gen Darmes there Lane John Darmes.
Speaker 6: It just let police.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let police sounds better than John's arms.
Speaker 4: Is that how easy French is?
Speaker 2: Just love love love, okay, lo police. Somebody called the police.
Speaker 1: The police.
Speaker 5: I love that his ex wife's name is Geraldine. That
Speaker 5: means at some point when they were together, people called
Speaker 5: them Jair.
Speaker 2: Jeel and jer jeelan jer Jill and jer eh Jilla Jerier.
Speaker 2: The boss of le police is in the house.
Speaker 4: You sound like you were doing a like a morning
Speaker 4: radio show hosted by two French people.
Speaker 5: Oh you're listening to low radio.
Speaker 2: Jee. I'm Jill, I'm Jill, and this is jer in
Speaker 2: the morning. I was about to say that in French,
Speaker 2: but I don't know how to say in the morning either,
Speaker 2: do I I could, honestly, I could have riffed for
Speaker 2: ten more minutes on that if I knew an ounce
Speaker 2: of French.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna go back to French. Police wire tapped
Speaker 4: Jill's phone and pull the phone records in.
Speaker 1: The past year.
Speaker 4: Wow, they counted a jaw dropping three thousand, three and
Speaker 4: seventy five telephone conversations between Gildatur and Sophia.
Speaker 2: Mark in one year.
Speaker 4: Yeplank, he's the math on that. How many calls per day?
Speaker 6: It's ten per day at least.
Speaker 5: I don't think I've I don't think I've done that
Speaker 5: many phone calls in ten years.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I haven't.
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 6: I'd also want to just point out that this is
Speaker 6: all at the town hall. This is like during working hours.
Speaker 5: Oh my yeah, yeah yeah, yes, So like is the
Speaker 5: town just falling apart?
Speaker 4: Like who's picking up the trash? Like the bills getting paid? Like?
Speaker 5: Well, The good thing is no one can tell because
Speaker 5: the nudity distracts that anyone from any issues. And also
Speaker 5: they've got their own battles to fight. You know, who's
Speaker 5: allowed to have sex and who isn't.
Speaker 4: You got people burning down swinger clubs exactly.
Speaker 5: Geal is hidden by the atrocities of this no one notices.
Speaker 4: H So the cops also when they got these calls,
Speaker 4: they heard what Jeal couldn't that the voice of Papa
Speaker 4: wasn't a spirit from the Gray Beyond, or even an
Speaker 4: accomplice who was doing the voice.
Speaker 2: Rory, was it her?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 2: It was She's that good apparently. Ugh, that's amazing.
Speaker 5: She was so good at throwing her voice that he thought,
Speaker 5: not only is this a man, but this is my father?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of questions about Giel, but maybe
Speaker 4: she's just like truly that talented.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's got a she's got a talent, and I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna lie. She knows how to she knows what
Speaker 5: she's doing, she knows how to use it.
Speaker 4: She applied it well. So both she and Jille are
Speaker 4: brought into the police station for questioning, and she immediately
Speaker 4: comes clean to cops. She had invented the silly voice.
Speaker 4: But when she was just a kid, a petite enfant
Speaker 4: as they say, she had a rough childhood and Papa
Speaker 4: was an imaginary friend who was always there for her.
Speaker 4: Did you ever have an imaginary friend as a kid.
Speaker 5: I think I did, but like it lived inside me,
Speaker 5: like the kid from the Shining.
Speaker 4: That's dark. I had three I had three of them.
Speaker 4: You had three, yeah, Ronnie Princess and OJ System OJ System. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was a more innocent time so we did not
Speaker 4: know things that we knew about OJ later. But yeah, apparently,
Speaker 4: according to my mom, I called him OJ system, and
Speaker 4: I would like make the family stop.
Speaker 1: The car and pick them up.
Speaker 4: Often like okay, they would just be I guess we
Speaker 4: just drive by and see him on the road and
Speaker 4: be like, we gotta we got to pick them up.
Speaker 5: You know, these, uh, these interviews before two people decide
Speaker 5: to work together got to get more specific, Like we
Speaker 5: got to know this going in.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 4: I meant to bring them.
Speaker 5: I love your parents rolling their eyes like, well, I
Speaker 5: guess we have to go out of our way to
Speaker 5: go pick up a non existent piece of air.
Speaker 4: Anyway, So Sophia is great at this. You know, she's
Speaker 4: she's bringing this imaginary friend who she claims she had
Speaker 4: named Papa as a child, and then she just incorporated
Speaker 4: it into her practice and people reacted, they responded well
Speaker 4: to it, so it just became part of her thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's it great. I honestly think it's great.
Speaker 5: She's just passing the ball around. She's helping friends get jobs,
Speaker 5: is all she's doing.
Speaker 4: I'm bringing Ronnie and Princess to the next tapic.
Speaker 2: That does feel like nepotism.
Speaker 4: So for the record, she stands by her psychic abilities
Speaker 4: and powers, though she does own up to tricking Leameyer.
Speaker 4: She admitted that she quote couldn't stand seeing all that
Speaker 4: money around. She also grew addicted to the attention. The
Speaker 4: more I had, the more I asked for. She claimed
Speaker 4: that she even knew she was being wired tapped at
Speaker 4: the end, but she couldn't stop talking in that voice.
Speaker 4: The power of Papa was too much.
Speaker 5: I love that she knew she was getting wired tapped,
Speaker 5: and she was just like, we nothing stops this train.
Speaker 2: We keep going.
Speaker 4: It is what she said direct quote. I've entered a
Speaker 4: role playing game and I can't get out, like someone
Speaker 4: who drinks and can't stop.
Speaker 5: I still I want it noted. I still don't think
Speaker 5: she's done anything wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean right, because it's not like, well, I
Speaker 4: guess we don't know. Even if she were to order
Speaker 4: him to embezzle money like she's is that committee. Like
Speaker 4: if I ask if I today right now, say Rory,
Speaker 4: I demand that you go and rob a bank, Like
Speaker 4: if you go and rob a bank, I don't think
Speaker 4: I can be arrested for that.
Speaker 5: I agree, that's what I mean, I think that her
Speaker 5: power of persuasion, that's on him to be so gullible
Speaker 5: to fall for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and he's like so dumbstruck that he
Speaker 4: doesn't even believe the cops until they played him a
Speaker 4: tape of her demonstrating the voice, which is like a
Speaker 4: really sad scene in.
Speaker 5: A movie in front of other adults, having to like
Speaker 5: sit there and be like, oh, okay, yeah, no, I see,
Speaker 5: I see what you mean by she's the one.
Speaker 2: Doing both of them. Okay, got it, got it? You know?
Speaker 2: Do you think at any point he tried to play
Speaker 2: the card?
Speaker 5: Guys, I've been investigating this for three years.
Speaker 2: It was obviously I know that it's fake. I set
Speaker 2: her up. Yeah, this is a setup.
Speaker 4: I'm the genius here. Yeah, obviously, pop, Come on, what
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people can't believe he's still won a sixth year.
Speaker 2: That good?
Speaker 4: Oh well, he's like you can imagine, he's devastrated, betrayed,
Speaker 4: even embarrassed. He's charged with Oh gosh, I have these
Speaker 4: in French, so bear with mere illegal. Didn't tell you
Speaker 4: no idea what that is? De tournment defon public. I'm
Speaker 4: guessing that's embezzlement. And corruption, corruption, corruption, the corruption. He
Speaker 4: spends three months in pre trialed attention, resigned from his
Speaker 4: position as mayor so No sixth term, and in a
Speaker 4: public statement, apologized for any wrongdoing, but he made sure
Speaker 4: to qualify that he was quote first and foremost, a victim.
Speaker 1: I think we take some issue with that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I look, I just see the good in people.
Speaker 5: I believe him too. I think they should have this,
Speaker 5: should this of all should have been just allowed to happen.
Speaker 4: Well, Sophia gets charged with embezzlement and tax fraud, and
Speaker 4: she also served three months in prison before her trial.
Speaker 4: I don't know, this doesn't seem right, France. We got
Speaker 4: to talk about your I feel like you're are we
Speaker 4: not innocent until proven guilty? Over there?
Speaker 5: No, I don't know if you noticed, But nobody's really
Speaker 5: doing that anymore. No, Nope, guilty, no matter what. Even
Speaker 5: if you just think they're guilty, they're guilty.
Speaker 2: Just get you, just say guilty, and so everyone goes,
Speaker 2: you got it, look guilty, look guilty, and some of it.
Speaker 4: She spends in solitary confinement because the other inmates think
Speaker 4: she's a witch.
Speaker 5: Yeah I get it, Yeah I might she might be yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know that the others get to
Speaker 5: decide that, but you know I like that.
Speaker 2: France is like, look, we're going to vote on everything.
Speaker 4: Put the witch in solitary.
Speaker 5: Okay, clap if you think she's a witch and it
Speaker 5: freaks you out.
Speaker 4: She's ultimately released under judicial supervision, but was banned from
Speaker 4: practicing as a psychic, which I'm not totally sure how
Speaker 4: you enforce, right, like tinfoil hat, Like, what do you do?
Speaker 4: How do you stop someone from being a psychic?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: How do you even get that business license? Like is
Speaker 5: that are you going to licensed?
Speaker 2: And people are like, all right, look, go ahead and
Speaker 2: tell people you can talk to the beyond. But it's
Speaker 2: seven percent.
Speaker 4: As for the city of Agda, they've got a new mayor,
Speaker 4: an uncertain future, and some promising developments on the new
Speaker 4: test front. Who was going to leave you hanging here?
Speaker 2: Thank you to speak?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I know what you did right there, I got it.
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to report that there's been progress a truce
Speaker 4: between the swingers and naturists and what led to this
Speaker 4: de talent any theories?
Speaker 5: Well, I here's what this is not going to be correct.
Speaker 5: But I'd like to believe that the naturists finally realized
Speaker 5: that sexual deviance is consu entered somewhat natural, and I
Speaker 5: hope that they came to terms with that.
Speaker 4: Also, and maybe this is a controversial opinion, that they
Speaker 4: realized that, like one of the fun things about being
Speaker 4: naked is having sex with other people, right, yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: And so you're wrong, of course, Okay, although you're right.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like that was a good answer,
Speaker 4: But the real answer is COVID nineteen.
Speaker 2: Oh, It's always COVID.
Speaker 4: Perhaps not surprisingly, Agda was hit very hard by the coronavirus.
Speaker 4: At one point early in the pandemic, officials found that
Speaker 4: thirty percent of nature Is tested positive, which was four
Speaker 4: times higher than any other city in the surrounding area,
Speaker 4: which would seem to indicate they weren't getting a little close,
Speaker 4: if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Right, But also when they say four times higher than
Speaker 5: the other towns, it's like, because it's summertime and all
Speaker 5: the other towns are in this town.
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that.
Speaker 5: They're going from thirty thousand people to three hundred thousand people, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's every town that's in a certain rate.
Speaker 4: So I guess the lesson is the naked people learn
Speaker 4: to wear masks, if not pants. Yeah, and thus concludes
Speaker 4: the story of Jill Nagda. Do you think you're better
Speaker 4: th embezzlement?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: Could you come up with a scheme this good?
Speaker 5: I mean, this is an incredible scheme. I gotta say,
Speaker 5: here's where my hat. My hat is tipped. Because the
Speaker 5: confidence to even try to pull off this scheme is incredible.
Speaker 5: It's truly like remarkable to I mean, imagine the time
Speaker 5: that he gets on the phone to hear his papa,
Speaker 5: and you gotta be thinking the whole time there's no
Speaker 5: way this will work, and then boom, he goes for it.
Speaker 5: Like that just takes sheer confidence. I'm wildly impressed. I
Speaker 5: don't know that I could think of something on this
Speaker 5: level because I would cave instantly and I'd have to
Speaker 5: tell them the truth.
Speaker 4: You don't think you can make it through three, three
Speaker 4: and seventy five calls?
Speaker 2: I also also, yes, great point.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be able to pull this off because I'd
Speaker 5: be like, dude, look, I'm stealing from you, Okay, I
Speaker 5: can't talk to you all the time. I'm getting this
Speaker 5: ver to build and it's loud out here.
Speaker 4: After the break, our final segment. All right, this is
Speaker 4: gonna be fun because I have no idea what's going
Speaker 4: to happen.
Speaker 5: Okay, and isn't that life Say lovey? You know exactly,
Speaker 5: Love Say Lovey.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Crime List. It's everybody's favorite part of
Speaker 4: the show. The final segment, Lane, what is our final
Speaker 4: segment this week?
Speaker 6: Today? We are going to do a tarot card reading.
Speaker 6: I have the fun thing about this is I've never
Speaker 6: done it before, and I would guess that maybe you
Speaker 6: and Rory also have it.
Speaker 5: Never I have done it. I have done a tarot
Speaker 5: card reading. I won't I won't have any sort of
Speaker 5: like ability to judge your version of it because I'm
Speaker 5: not that invested in a tarot card reading. But my
Speaker 5: wife is a practicing self titled witch. My wife has
Speaker 5: done many a tarot card readings, and so she's also
Speaker 5: offered to do them to me, and they're fascinating.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 4: I feel like when we talked about the witch earlier,
Speaker 4: you didn't mention this your your wife is a witch.
Speaker 5: Also, I didn't want to say anything, you know, not
Speaker 5: in this political climate, you have no idea.
Speaker 2: You don't know what it's like right now.
Speaker 6: It could be a real, real witch hunt.
Speaker 2: And it's because we're getting there and we're.
Speaker 6: Getting a little on the nose. Well, so you might
Speaker 6: be better at this than we assume. So what I
Speaker 6: was thinking was, we'll pull some cards via this website
Speaker 6: I found. Okay and Rory, feel free to jump in.
Speaker 6: But people turn to tarot cards for like guidance advice.
Speaker 6: They're they're looking to get some answers about questions in
Speaker 6: their lives. Could be big, could be small. Rory, what
Speaker 6: kind of questions does your wife normally answer or look
Speaker 6: look look for guidance on?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't fully know.
Speaker 5: I know that when I've done it, and a granted,
Speaker 5: look I've done it maybe twice and it was a
Speaker 5: while ago. But you know, I've realized you can't just
Speaker 5: out loud before the tarot card reading, just go will
Speaker 5: I ever have a threesome and see if that's gonna
Speaker 5: you just you know what I mean, And especially if
Speaker 5: your wife is pulling the cards.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, the car's definitely not. Oh, I just
Speaker 2: got an X it's just so that was your card.
Speaker 4: We should ask it deeper questions, I think.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, or like I don't know.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sorry, Josh, is the am I going to
Speaker 5: have a threesome? Not a deep question for you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we'll pull three cards. So, Rory, what's what's
Speaker 6: your question?
Speaker 2: Will I find uh?
Speaker 3: Umm?
Speaker 2: Will I find great fortune in my future? I don't know?
Speaker 2: Is that something? Is that a question?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 5: I'll take bottom right uh, and then uh, I'll take
Speaker 5: the sixth row left side, and then I'll take the
Speaker 5: sixth row far right side. Whoa, I got the four
Speaker 5: of Pinnacles, the nine of Wands, and the five of Swords.
Speaker 5: I hope to god someone is listening at home and
Speaker 5: just spit their coffee out because they know what these
Speaker 5: things mean.
Speaker 4: I didn't know how much Tara was like Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 6: Yeah, does that make it cooler?
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie. That could be a successful bumper sticker.
Speaker 2: That's our merch our merch.
Speaker 5: I didn't know how much Taro was gonna be like
Speaker 5: dungeons and Dragons. And then it just says, Josh to
Speaker 5: quote you to give a credit of the quote Josh.
Speaker 4: Put a lot of t shirt. Sorry, I didn't mean to.
Speaker 4: I don't mean to make light of this.
Speaker 1: Very serious.
Speaker 2: So what does this mean, Lane? What does four of
Speaker 2: pinnacles mean for me?
Speaker 6: So pinnacles are more focused on earthly desires and matter
Speaker 6: of the earth here and now, representing what's around you.
Speaker 6: So I guess maybe if you're looking for like riches.
Speaker 2: Or the threesome thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, look to your left, look to your right,
Speaker 6: who's there?
Speaker 2: You know there's a painting my dog. So this is
Speaker 2: not working out well at all.
Speaker 6: We can consider that in the past, so like, that's
Speaker 6: what you tried before.
Speaker 2: So the present, all right, the present? Nine of one
Speaker 2: kind of wands.
Speaker 6: Wands are symbolic of proactivity and action and attributed to fire.
Speaker 6: It's very passionate suit okay, okay, a lot of determination happening,
Speaker 6: a lot of drives. So you're motivated for this fortune.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I feel that.
Speaker 5: I feel that career wise, I feel that personal personal
Speaker 5: growth wise.
Speaker 2: So this is what happens.
Speaker 5: You're able to relate to these things and you can
Speaker 5: decide if it's all less just convincing ourselves or not.
Speaker 5: But that is relevant to my current state.
Speaker 6: So looking forward to the future, swords, we gotta five
Speaker 6: five of swords.
Speaker 2: I die, Don't I end up dying? Just Lane, just
Speaker 2: tell me in the future, do I end up dying?
Speaker 6: I don't want to answer that.
Speaker 3: For you.
Speaker 6: That's that's your own personal churn.
Speaker 2: That's your that's your interpretation of reality, that's your thing.
Speaker 4: We all have our own.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So the five of swords often signifies conflict betrayal in
Speaker 6: a situation where someone wins at any cost.
Speaker 5: Oh God, it started out, man, my present is so good,
Speaker 5: and then it's like, but.
Speaker 2: But then you're gonna fight everybody and be betrayed.
Speaker 6: I think it could also be like you're in your
Speaker 6: head about it. So maybe you're thinking, like you're projecting
Speaker 6: these these feelings of competition, and you know your enemy
Speaker 6: is actually not your enemy. Perhaps it's your friend.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, Lane, you're like really good at this. Wow,
Speaker 5: Google or not, You've got great delivery.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 6: Broy. Do you feel like you got the answers?
Speaker 2: I feel like I am walking away with what I got.
Speaker 5: The other times is that if you're willing to connect dots,
Speaker 5: they will connect, and if you're unwilling and you don't
Speaker 5: want them to connect.
Speaker 2: Then it's it can feel ridiculous, but I will.
Speaker 5: Say enough people subscribe to Tarot readings in this form
Speaker 5: of thing that I just look at and I go,
Speaker 5: who knows?
Speaker 2: Who even? Why can't this be.
Speaker 5: A valid form of getting through life and trying to
Speaker 5: figure out the puzzle that is our reality? So I
Speaker 5: believe it only because the middle part was really good
Speaker 5: for me. Yeah, the future, the sword thing, I don't
Speaker 5: adhere to that.
Speaker 4: I believe that Trost, the friends we made along the way.
Speaker 3: Here you go.
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