WEBVTT - Le Embezzlement

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<v Speaker 1>Bo I needs a break. I don't know why I

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like the extors is there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Remember I was a.

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<v Speaker 3>Smoker Camsy Media large.

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<v Speaker 4>So Rory, what's the best way to embezzle money from

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<v Speaker 4>the government?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you? Why do you ask? It?

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<v Speaker 5>Is though you think I'm some sort of hardened criminal

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<v Speaker 5>on this podcast, and that's what I bring to the show,

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<v Speaker 5>is knowing how to embezzle money. Also, I want to

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<v Speaker 5>backtrack and say thank you for respecting me enough to

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<v Speaker 5>know what embezzle means.

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<v Speaker 2>First thing that came to uh to.

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<v Speaker 5>Mind, and this has made way off for some reason,

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<v Speaker 5>my brain was like the horse races.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so you're the So you work in a town

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<v Speaker 4>with the horse track.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, well we all aspire to the greater heights

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<v Speaker 2>than mine is horse track racing in town?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. Well, this was a tough one. I didn't expect

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<v Speaker 4>you have a embezzlement scheme in mind. Each of these

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<v Speaker 4>is a test, right If you answered right away, we

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<v Speaker 4>might be worried.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 4>But the answer I was looking for was establish a

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<v Speaker 4>successful psychic practice and bewitch a city official to lavish.

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<v Speaker 1>You with gifts.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, This is going to sound crazy, but psychically that

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<v Speaker 5>was going to be my second thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, so believe that or not.

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<v Speaker 4>This week we're going deep inside the wild world of

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<v Speaker 4>psychics slash mediums who pray on innocent mayors in France Dushane,

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<v Speaker 4>which means I think, don't change the channel if Google

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<v Speaker 4>can be believed. Welcome back to Crimeless, the podcast that

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<v Speaker 4>celebrates the amazing creativity of the.

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<v Speaker 5>World's dumbest criminals. I'm Josh Dean and I am Rory Scovel.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Rory.

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<v Speaker 4>Today's story, as I said, takes place in France. Have

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<v Speaker 4>you ever been to France.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been to France for my honeymoon.

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<v Speaker 4>Was it as romantic as they say?

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<v Speaker 2>It was very romantic.

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<v Speaker 5>We rented a car after being in Paris a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit and then drove to the south of France and

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<v Speaker 5>then over to Italy and it was great. I got

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<v Speaker 5>a flat tire immediately in a small town and my

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<v Speaker 5>wife had to go into a pub and speak a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of French to see if anyone could help.

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<v Speaker 1>Us with the tire.

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<v Speaker 5>Did they they did? An old man showed up and

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<v Speaker 5>I thought we would need more than just changing a

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<v Speaker 5>tire type situation. But I found all the tools before

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<v Speaker 5>he got there, and I started to change the tire,

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<v Speaker 5>and then he showed up and was like, oh, you Americans,

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<v Speaker 5>don't you need someone else to change your tire for you?

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<v Speaker 5>And it's only because I didn't think we had the

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<v Speaker 5>tools all.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, for all of our fans in the South of France,

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<v Speaker 4>including old menufixed tires. This actually takes place in the

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<v Speaker 4>South of France. I think you went to the South

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<v Speaker 4>of France and took a left.

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<v Speaker 1>This would have been if you'd taken a right. So yep.

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<v Speaker 4>So our story involves a mayor, a psychic, and a

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<v Speaker 4>disembodied voice from the Great Beyond. Also a war between

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<v Speaker 4>nudists and swingers.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't believe I haven't heard this already, So first.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's meet the mayor who's the star of our story.

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<v Speaker 4>His name is uh and pardon, I can't believe I

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<v Speaker 4>get to say this unironically, but pardon my French. His

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<v Speaker 4>name is Gille de Tour. He's a polished looking middle

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<v Speaker 4>aged guy with salt and pepper hair, looks snappy in

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<v Speaker 4>a dress shirt, and until things went sideways, he's just

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<v Speaker 4>another government suit unclear whether or not he wears a beret.

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<v Speaker 2>God, I love that name. Jill Niciel.

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<v Speaker 4>He was born the seaside town of Agde, a little

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<v Speaker 4>over an hour from the Spanish border, and his father

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<v Speaker 4>was the deputy mayor in the nineteen seventy so he's

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<v Speaker 4>a second generation politician. Of course. He started his career

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<v Speaker 4>as a secret service officer and a policeman and then

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<v Speaker 4>returned home to run for office, and as a hometown

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<v Speaker 4>boy with deep roots, he was very well liked by

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<v Speaker 4>the people. Jiel began his first term in two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and one and was basically unstoppable. He won five elections

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<v Speaker 4>in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever run for anything outside of student government?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you student body president?

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<v Speaker 5>No? No, I don't even know what imbezzel means. They

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<v Speaker 5>don't let you fair, fair, fair.

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<v Speaker 4>So Jill was on track to make history as the

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<v Speaker 4>longest sitting mayor in the city's history. All around, just

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<v Speaker 4>the highly respected member of the community.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>Now this is a tourist town. It swells from around

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<v Speaker 4>thirty thousand people, so you know, decent sized town on

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<v Speaker 4>an average winter day, to almost three hundred thousand during summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people are out and about, they're ready to

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<v Speaker 2>be and people want to be. In France, it gets

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<v Speaker 2>it all times bigger though. Yeah, well there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't tell you why, but I just assume, like

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere else, people are ready to party.

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<v Speaker 4>Two hundred and eighty thousand people on their honeymoons.

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<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of people get married right before

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<v Speaker 5>summer kicks in.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm sorry, that's incorrect.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, Now.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you know what a naturist resort is is that

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<v Speaker 5>where they're like, hey, no clothes, just come in, Let's

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<v Speaker 5>just be Adam and Eve for his lung. Let's let's

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<v Speaker 5>be Adam and Eve before Apple's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 4>So this town has a nickname, Like New York, it's

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes called the Naked City, only in this case it's

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<v Speaker 4>because it's home to one of the world's most popular

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<v Speaker 4>nudist resorts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>So, but you're saying, just to clarify for our listeners,

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<v Speaker 5>you're not saying the town is a nudist.

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<v Speaker 4>It contains the largest nudist resort. But I think there's

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<v Speaker 4>a significant amount of spillover, got it. Okay, I think

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<v Speaker 4>the borders. I don't know, like what kind of walled

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<v Speaker 4>fences or walls we have around nudist resorts. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>it's a place of freedom. So I'm guessing, like, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, thank you for that, because I wanted to continue

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<v Speaker 5>to picture something very fun and so I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, great, and we're not just talking about nude beaches.

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<v Speaker 4>And in Nature's resort, you grocery shop, you go to

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<v Speaker 4>the bank, you ride your vest bow with a baguette

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<v Speaker 4>under your arm, all in the nude.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the local beaches was nicknamed the Bay of Pigs,

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<v Speaker 4>and not because it had a connection to Cuba. It

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<v Speaker 4>was because of the amount of naked people who sun

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<v Speaker 4>themselves there, which does not paint the sexiest picture of

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<v Speaker 4>the clientele.

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<v Speaker 5>I gotta say, yeah, it's definitely not complimenting your clientele

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<v Speaker 5>in any way whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Get out there, you naked pigs, go soak. Come some

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<v Speaker 2>of that son, turn into bacon as fast as you can.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great French accent.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>If I didn't pay all that money for voice lessons,

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<v Speaker 5>I would be upset. But it's paying off anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>All these naked folks running around has created a bit

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<v Speaker 4>of a problem. Can you guess what that problem might be?

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<v Speaker 2>Um? No, No, can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Agda has become a hot spot for swingers and sex parties.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, well, I mean I guess. I just thought that

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<v Speaker 5>was a part of the not part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought that was part of the solution.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's created some tension in the community of nudists

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<v Speaker 4>because more traditional naturists are simply in this for the

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<v Speaker 4>freedom man. They think swingers have sullied the whole reputation

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<v Speaker 4>of this beautiful practice.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, so things got.

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<v Speaker 4>Weird and even dangerous. According to a two thousand and

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<v Speaker 4>eight report in the Sunday Times, three separate sex clubs

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<v Speaker 4>were set on fire, and everyone suspected that radical naturists

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<v Speaker 4>were behind it.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, naturists, naturists. I like both naturists. I'm a naturist.

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<v Speaker 4>However, that's the story for another episode. This is just

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<v Speaker 4>providing some very important, full frontal context for the setting

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<v Speaker 4>where this takes place.

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<v Speaker 2>So wow, that's a real tease right there, Josh.

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<v Speaker 4>So, anyway, we're here to talk about the mayor of

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<v Speaker 4>this naked town. He's fully clothed for the purposes of

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<v Speaker 4>this episode. And in twenty twenty, he's celebrating his fifth

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<v Speaker 4>win when a colleague, a local cop, introduces him to someone.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like, you got to meet this woman. She's

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<v Speaker 4>a healer in a medium. She's Toady magnifique. And you

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<v Speaker 4>should also know that the mayor's got some daddy issues.

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<v Speaker 4>He's always felt like he lived in the shadows of

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<v Speaker 4>his father. He was an important debuty mayor when Jill

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<v Speaker 4>was a kid, but then his dad passed away, and

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<v Speaker 4>ever since then, Jill had been struggling to cope with it.

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<v Speaker 4>He had even been getting in touch with the spiritual side,

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about the meaning of everything, the afterlife, even considering

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<v Speaker 4>some fringe practices to try and stay in touch with

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<v Speaker 4>his dad.

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<v Speaker 5>All very classic mayor activity, you know, total extracurricular activity.

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<v Speaker 4>So when this cop says you should speak to my psychic,

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<v Speaker 4>he takes some it seriously, right, He's like, maybe I

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<v Speaker 4>should think about this, And three months later he does.

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<v Speaker 4>He makes an appointment with a woman named Sophia Martinez.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you ever consulted a psychic?

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't, and part of me feels like they know

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<v Speaker 5>I'm probably never going to show up.

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<v Speaker 1>How about your wife?

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<v Speaker 4>She goes to psychic.

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<v Speaker 5>She's never gone to a psychic, but she is on

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<v Speaker 5>the verge of becoming a mayor, if you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I mean. This becomes slang for people who visit psychics.

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<v Speaker 5>We got a real mayor over here, or nudists. We

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<v Speaker 5>had a real nude French.

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor over here.

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<v Speaker 4>So this woman, Sophia Martinez, was, in her own words quote,

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<v Speaker 4>a specialist in the cleansing of energy for people and places.

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<v Speaker 4>She's in her forties. She lives in town with her

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<v Speaker 4>six kids.

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<v Speaker 1>From three marriages. France Man yep.

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<v Speaker 4>Her services include hypnosis, tarot card readings, even seances. A

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<v Speaker 4>few former clients have reported objects flying around the room

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<v Speaker 4>during sessions and that she often reveals details about their

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<v Speaker 4>lives that she could never have possibly known. And her

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<v Speaker 4>clientele includes intellectuals, architects, executives, even cops. So the mayor's

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<v Speaker 4>in good company. He's not like being crazy or extremely woo.

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<v Speaker 1>By going to Sophia.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, got it, So let's not judge the mayor yet.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, Sophia and Jiels have their first communication session.

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<v Speaker 4>She tells him things she couldn't possibly have known about

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<v Speaker 4>his dad, like a nickname his dad had used for

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<v Speaker 4>his last partner, and Gill walks away from this meeting

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<v Speaker 4>convinced that the woman is the real deal. He's like

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<v Speaker 4>this this I trust this woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So they start having regular sessions, often by phone, and

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<v Speaker 4>according to the mayor, their relationship is amicable, although some

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<v Speaker 4>witnesses have heard him call her darling.

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<v Speaker 5>And also our listeners should know, just because this is

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<v Speaker 5>all theater of the mind. These two people are fully

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<v Speaker 5>clothed during these sessions, but if you want a picture

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<v Speaker 5>that they're both naked.

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<v Speaker 2>It does add a little spice to the story.

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<v Speaker 4>It does, And to be honest, we didn't look that up.

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<v Speaker 4>They could be. I mean, were assuming he was fully

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<v Speaker 4>clothed because the mayor generally wore clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, let's go there.

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<v Speaker 2>Gill's a clothing guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Run wild people, and so you know, he starts to

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<v Speaker 4>call her darling, and then a few sessions in things

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<v Speaker 4>take a turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh oh, that's after the break.

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<v Speaker 4>So one day, Shiel's talking with Sophia as he normally would.

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<v Speaker 4>I imagine him giggling while twirling the cord of his landline,

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<v Speaker 4>a very timely reference. People are like, what the fuck

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<v Speaker 4>are you talking about? When he hears another voice.

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<v Speaker 2>On the line, you didn't see this coming, okay, it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was his dad. It was his dad.

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<v Speaker 4>Damn it, Rory, you're too good at the show.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 4>You're too good. You're too good. You see, you are

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<v Speaker 4>a master criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what embezzling means.

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<v Speaker 4>It is gonna it's all gonna come around. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>this voice is deep masculine, definitely not Sofia and introduces

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<v Speaker 4>himself to Gille as Papa.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>The mayor believes that Papa is none other than I

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<v Speaker 4>was going to ask you to guest, but you already guest.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, solved it his dad. Yeah, why wouldn't you believe that?

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<v Speaker 5>Of course he's on a phone, living in the afterlife.

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<v Speaker 5>That's still a primary form of a communication.

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<v Speaker 4>And you definitely would not suspect that someone else was

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<v Speaker 4>doing the voice, right, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course it's dad, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, his dad was like, look, I could just

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<v Speaker 5>come visit you as a ghostly you know, being, and

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<v Speaker 5>we could cut out the middleman over here that you're

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<v Speaker 5>paying for.

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<v Speaker 2>However, why would we do that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's what mediums are for, I think, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>exactly right, Okay. So Jille is convinced by Sophia's power,

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<v Speaker 4>of her ability to summon voices from the afterlife, she

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<v Speaker 4>was a conduit for spirits. And these conversations pick up

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<v Speaker 4>in frequency, often ten times a day.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I don't talk to my wife in the same

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<v Speaker 5>house ten times a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair point, nor do I.

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<v Speaker 4>Jill's maybe a little vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to judge yet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So they're having these discussions of incredible depth. The kindie

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<v Speaker 4>says he could never have had with the regular old

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<v Speaker 4>Sophia given her quote intellectual capabilities. Man man, so he

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<v Speaker 4>thinks Sophia is too dumb to be making this up.

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<v Speaker 4>But I wonder who's the dumb one. Yeah, So the

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<v Speaker 4>mayor starts to see Papa as a spiritual mentor, asking

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<v Speaker 4>questions about life, death, the meaning of it all. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't even imagine what advice he could be giving.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to the mayor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just fascinated by the idea of someone just falling

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<v Speaker 5>from them. It feels like hypnosis, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 5>I've never been hypnotized, but I live in a world

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<v Speaker 5>of skepticism about it. However, if someone's like, all hypnotize

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<v Speaker 5>you right now. I don't believe that it won't happen,

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<v Speaker 5>So who knows. Maybe Jill is, like you said, wildly vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 5>And at no point is he like are you sure

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<v Speaker 5>that you sure this ain't some other person? Like how

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<v Speaker 5>does this How does this papa sound like his papa?

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<v Speaker 1>This is the guy running the town.

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<v Speaker 5>This is also the guy in charge.

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<v Speaker 4>Of five consecutive elections. He's he's an unbeatable incumbent mayor

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<v Speaker 4>who just keeps winning. Yeah, you know the French, they're romantics. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>now he has a connection to the afterlife and he

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<v Speaker 4>can tell all those ghosts, Hey, will you go scare

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<v Speaker 4>voters that we're going to vote for the other person

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<v Speaker 4>not to show up tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true.

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<v Speaker 4>One of their favorite topics, One of Papa's favorite topics

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<v Speaker 4>on the call is Sophia. Yeah, he says, Sophia special.

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<v Speaker 4>She's a saint. Jill was chosen to protect her and

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<v Speaker 4>her family. And there's one real blockbuster of a revelation.

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<v Speaker 4>In a previous life, Jill was an Egyptian priestess who

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<v Speaker 4>had a child with Tutan common okay, and that child

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<v Speaker 4>was reincarnated in.

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<v Speaker 1>Who my god, Sophia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously, I mean you can tell there's a familial connection.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, she always there's in common.

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<v Speaker 5>Love that someone says that to you and you don't

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<v Speaker 5>go what instead you go huh oh oh neat. I

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<v Speaker 5>haven't got to that part of our scrap book yet.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, really swinging for the fences with this reincarnated

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<v Speaker 4>like could have used like, you know, an old French guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Nope, you know that these two con artists were just

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<v Speaker 5>talking like do.

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<v Speaker 2>We throw the tutin common at him? Let's I think

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<v Speaker 2>he'd go for it. Let's just see.

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<v Speaker 4>So like basically, at this point, he's convinced that he's

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<v Speaker 4>cosmically entwined with this one. Yeah, she's the reincarnated form

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<v Speaker 4>of his former daughter that he'd had as a woman

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<v Speaker 4>with tudin common yright. So yeah, naturally he's all in,

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<v Speaker 4>can you see where this is going?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>I can see where it's going, and I know that

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<v Speaker 5>the word mbezzlement is involved.

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<v Speaker 4>So Gill starts paying for things her birthday parties and vacations.

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<v Speaker 4>He hires a personal driver to take her kids to school.

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<v Speaker 4>He gave a relative's cushy jobs at town hall he

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<v Speaker 4>funded her passion project, which was naturally a comic book yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>titled Sophia From Darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>To Light Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>The mayor even helped plan and paid for her her

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<v Speaker 4>lavish third wedding in a castle part of Chateau, and

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<v Speaker 4>then walked her down the aisle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, unclear if Papa was in attendance.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also not one hundred percent clear at first where

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<v Speaker 4>the mayor was getting all this money.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just a humble civil sermon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're starting to see it's you know, we look

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<v Speaker 2>at you look at someone like Sophia like this as

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<v Speaker 2>being a criminal, and yet at the same time you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's what's the criminal activity?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>So far crime so far, wildly innocent and wildly respect

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<v Speaker 5>I like what I'm hearing, all right, good.

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<v Speaker 4>Good, But people start to suspect that Jill may be raiding.

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<v Speaker 1>The town's coffers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>For example, Papa told the mayor that Sophia needed a

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<v Speaker 4>new veranda to better serve her clients. So Gille hires

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<v Speaker 4>a contractor to redo the veranda. But the contractor is

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit nervous because he finds out that the

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<v Speaker 4>city is actually paying for it. So according to that contractor.

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<v Speaker 4>Gille says they would fudge an invoice and borrow the

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<v Speaker 4>money from the city's sports club budget solved.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, this is why he's a five time champion.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, I mean I got to imagine on some level,

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<v Speaker 4>embezzlement is happening at every you know, like I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe you're not paying off the medium who's the reincarnated

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<v Speaker 4>form of.

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<v Speaker 1>Your daughter with toot in common.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but like you know, you're giving someone a job

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<v Speaker 4>or moving somebody's resume at the top. That's not embezzlement. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>that's corruption. I guess corruption is what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>For me to believe that.

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<v Speaker 4>Not every government official corrupt on some level, this is

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<v Speaker 4>how skeptical I've become.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, this kind of creative accounting goes on for

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<v Speaker 4>three years, oh Gial not making the French cops seem

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<v Speaker 4>super sharp. Yeah, but you know we're not here to

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<v Speaker 4>judge them. Yeah, but not everyone was as entranced as Gille.

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<v Speaker 4>And in October of twenty twenty three, the mayor ex wife,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we haven't talked about her at all, but

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<v Speaker 4>there's Geraldine, his ex wife. She's had enough. She called

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<v Speaker 4>the cops. She alleged that Sophia has bewitched her ex

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<v Speaker 4>husband Shocker. She also suspected he was stealing money from

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<v Speaker 4>the city to fund the relationship. Yeah, police, I think

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<v Speaker 4>they call them gen Darmes there Lane John Darmes.

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<v Speaker 6>It just let police.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let police sounds better than John's arms.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that how easy French is?

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<v Speaker 2>Just love love love, okay, lo police. Somebody called the police.

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<v Speaker 1>The police.

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<v Speaker 5>I love that his ex wife's name is Geraldine. That

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<v Speaker 5>means at some point when they were together, people called

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<v Speaker 5>them Jair.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeel and jer jeelan jer Jill and jer eh Jilla Jerier.

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<v Speaker 2>The boss of le police is in the house.

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<v Speaker 4>You sound like you were doing a like a morning

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<v Speaker 4>radio show hosted by two French people.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh you're listening to low radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Jee. I'm Jill, I'm Jill, and this is jer in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. I was about to say that in French,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know how to say in the morning either,

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<v Speaker 2>do I I could, honestly, I could have riffed for

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<v Speaker 2>ten more minutes on that if I knew an ounce

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<v Speaker 2>of French.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm gonna go back to French. Police wire tapped

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<v Speaker 4>Jill's phone and pull the phone records in.

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<v Speaker 1>The past year.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, they counted a jaw dropping three thousand, three and

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<v Speaker 4>seventy five telephone conversations between Gildatur and Sophia.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark in one year.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeplank, he's the math on that. How many calls per day?

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<v Speaker 6>It's ten per day at least.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think I've I don't think I've done that

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<v Speaker 5>many phone calls in ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd also want to just point out that this is

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<v Speaker 6>all at the town hall. This is like during working hours.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my yeah, yeah yeah, yes, So like is the

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<v Speaker 5>town just falling apart?

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<v Speaker 4>Like who's picking up the trash? Like the bills getting paid? Like?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, The good thing is no one can tell because

0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:34.200
<v Speaker 5>the nudity distracts that anyone from any issues. And also

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<v Speaker 5>they've got their own battles to fight. You know, who's

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<v Speaker 5>allowed to have sex and who isn't.

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<v Speaker 4>You got people burning down swinger clubs exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>Geal is hidden by the atrocities of this no one notices.

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<v Speaker 4>H So the cops also when they got these calls,

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<v Speaker 4>they heard what Jeal couldn't that the voice of Papa

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't a spirit from the Gray Beyond, or even an

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<v Speaker 4>accomplice who was doing the voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Rory, was it her?

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<v Speaker 1>It was?

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<v Speaker 2>It was She's that good apparently. Ugh, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>She was so good at throwing her voice that he thought,

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<v Speaker 5>not only is this a man, but this is my father?

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean a lot of questions about Giel, but maybe

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<v Speaker 4>she's just like truly that talented.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she's got a she's got a talent, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not gonna lie. She knows how to she knows what

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<v Speaker 5>she's doing, she knows how to use it.

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<v Speaker 4>She applied it well. So both she and Jille are

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<v Speaker 4>brought into the police station for questioning, and she immediately

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<v Speaker 4>comes clean to cops. She had invented the silly voice.

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<v Speaker 4>But when she was just a kid, a petite enfant

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<v Speaker 4>as they say, she had a rough childhood and Papa

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<v Speaker 4>was an imaginary friend who was always there for her.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you ever have an imaginary friend as a kid.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I did, but like it lived inside me,

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<v Speaker 5>like the kid from the Shining.

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<v Speaker 4>That's dark. I had three I had three of them.

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<v Speaker 4>You had three, yeah, Ronnie Princess and OJ System OJ System. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was a more innocent time so we did not

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<v Speaker 4>know things that we knew about OJ later. But yeah, apparently,

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<v Speaker 4>according to my mom, I called him OJ system, and

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<v Speaker 4>I would like make the family stop.

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<v Speaker 1>The car and pick them up.

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<v Speaker 4>Often like okay, they would just be I guess we

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<v Speaker 4>just drive by and see him on the road and

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<v Speaker 4>be like, we gotta we got to pick them up.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, these, uh, these interviews before two people decide

0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.760
<v Speaker 5>to work together got to get more specific, Like we

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<v Speaker 5>got to know this going in.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I meant to bring them.

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<v Speaker 5>I love your parents rolling their eyes like, well, I

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<v Speaker 5>guess we have to go out of our way to

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<v Speaker 5>go pick up a non existent piece of air.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, So Sophia is great at this. You know, she's

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<v Speaker 4>she's bringing this imaginary friend who she claims she had

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<v Speaker 4>named Papa as a child, and then she just incorporated

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<v Speaker 4>it into her practice and people reacted, they responded well

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<v Speaker 4>to it, so it just became part of her thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think that's it great. I honestly think it's great.

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<v Speaker 5>She's just passing the ball around. She's helping friends get jobs,

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<v Speaker 5>is all she's doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm bringing Ronnie and Princess to the next tapic.

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<v Speaker 2>That does feel like nepotism.

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<v Speaker 4>So for the record, she stands by her psychic abilities

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.040
<v Speaker 4>and powers, though she does own up to tricking Leameyer.

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<v Speaker 4>She admitted that she quote couldn't stand seeing all that

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<v Speaker 4>money around. She also grew addicted to the attention. The

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<v Speaker 4>more I had, the more I asked for. She claimed

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<v Speaker 4>that she even knew she was being wired tapped at

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<v Speaker 4>the end, but she couldn't stop talking in that voice.

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<v Speaker 4>The power of Papa was too much.

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<v Speaker 5>I love that she knew she was getting wired tapped,

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<v Speaker 5>and she was just like, we nothing stops this train.

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<v Speaker 2>We keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>It is what she said direct quote. I've entered a

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<v Speaker 4>role playing game and I can't get out, like someone

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<v Speaker 4>who drinks and can't stop.

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<v Speaker 5>I still I want it noted. I still don't think

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<v Speaker 5>she's done anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean right, because it's not like, well, I

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<v Speaker 4>guess we don't know. Even if she were to order

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<v Speaker 4>him to embezzle money like she's is that committee. Like

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<v Speaker 4>if I ask if I today right now, say Rory,

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<v Speaker 4>I demand that you go and rob a bank, Like

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<v Speaker 4>if you go and rob a bank, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>I can be arrested for that.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree, that's what I mean, I think that her

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<v Speaker 5>power of persuasion, that's on him to be so gullible

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<v Speaker 5>to fall for it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, and he's like so dumbstruck that he

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't even believe the cops until they played him a

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:33.399
<v Speaker 4>tape of her demonstrating the voice, which is like a

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<v Speaker 4>really sad scene in.

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<v Speaker 5>A movie in front of other adults, having to like

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<v Speaker 5>sit there and be like, oh, okay, yeah, no, I see,

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<v Speaker 5>I see what you mean by she's the one.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing both of them. Okay, got it, got it? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think at any point he tried to play

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<v Speaker 2>the card?

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<v Speaker 5>Guys, I've been investigating this for three years.

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<v Speaker 2>It was obviously I know that it's fake. I set

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<v Speaker 2>her up. Yeah, this is a setup.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the genius here. Yeah, obviously, pop, Come on, what

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<v Speaker 4>a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of people can't believe he's still won a sixth year.

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<v Speaker 2>That good?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, he's like you can imagine, he's devastrated, betrayed,

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 4>even embarrassed. He's charged with Oh gosh, I have these

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<v Speaker 4>in French, so bear with mere illegal. Didn't tell you

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<v Speaker 4>no idea what that is? De tournment defon public. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>guessing that's embezzlement. And corruption, corruption, corruption, the corruption. He

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<v Speaker 4>spends three months in pre trialed attention, resigned from his

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<v Speaker 4>position as mayor so No sixth term, and in a

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<v Speaker 4>public statement, apologized for any wrongdoing, but he made sure

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<v Speaker 4>to qualify that he was quote first and foremost, a victim.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we take some issue with that.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I look, I just see the good in people.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe him too. I think they should have this,

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<v Speaker 5>should this of all should have been just allowed to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Sophia gets charged with embezzlement and tax fraud, and

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<v Speaker 4>she also served three months in prison before her trial.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, this doesn't seem right, France. We got

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about your I feel like you're are we

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<v Speaker 4>not innocent until proven guilty? Over there?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't know if you noticed, But nobody's really

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<v Speaker 5>doing that anymore. No, Nope, guilty, no matter what. Even

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 5>if you just think they're guilty, they're guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Just get you, just say guilty, and so everyone goes,

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<v Speaker 2>you got it, look guilty, look guilty, and some of it.

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<v Speaker 4>She spends in solitary confinement because the other inmates think

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<v Speaker 4>she's a witch.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah I get it, Yeah I might she might be yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't know that the others get to

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<v Speaker 5>decide that, but you know I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>France is like, look, we're going to vote on everything.

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<v Speaker 4>Put the witch in solitary.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, clap if you think she's a witch and it

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<v Speaker 5>freaks you out.

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<v Speaker 4>She's ultimately released under judicial supervision, but was banned from

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<v Speaker 4>practicing as a psychic, which I'm not totally sure how

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<v Speaker 4>you enforce, right, like tinfoil hat, Like, what do you do?

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<v Speaker 4>How do you stop someone from being a psychic?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>How do you even get that business license? Like is

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 5>that are you going to licensed?

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 2>And people are like, all right, look, go ahead and

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 2>tell people you can talk to the beyond. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent.

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<v Speaker 4>As for the city of Agda, they've got a new mayor,

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<v Speaker 4>an uncertain future, and some promising developments on the new

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.160
<v Speaker 4>test front. Who was going to leave you hanging here?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you to speak?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what you did right there, I got it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thrilled to report that there's been progress a truce

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<v Speaker 4>between the swingers and naturists and what led to this

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<v Speaker 4>de talent any theories?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I here's what this is not going to be correct.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'd like to believe that the naturists finally realized

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<v Speaker 5>that sexual deviance is consu entered somewhat natural, and I

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<v Speaker 5>hope that they came to terms with that.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, and maybe this is a controversial opinion, that they

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<v Speaker 4>realized that, like one of the fun things about being

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 4>naked is having sex with other people, right, yeah, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>And so you're wrong, of course, Okay, although you're right.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I feel like that was a good answer,

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<v Speaker 4>But the real answer is COVID nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, It's always COVID.

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<v Speaker 4>Perhaps not surprisingly, Agda was hit very hard by the coronavirus.

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<v Speaker 4>At one point early in the pandemic, officials found that

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<v Speaker 4>thirty percent of nature Is tested positive, which was four

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<v Speaker 4>times higher than any other city in the surrounding area,

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<v Speaker 4>which would seem to indicate they weren't getting a little close,

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<v Speaker 4>if you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, But also when they say four times higher than

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<v Speaker 5>the other towns, it's like, because it's summertime and all

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<v Speaker 5>the other towns are in this town.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't thought about that.

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<v Speaker 5>They're going from thirty thousand people to three hundred thousand people, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's every town that's in a certain rate.

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<v Speaker 4>So I guess the lesson is the naked people learn

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<v Speaker 4>to wear masks, if not pants. Yeah, and thus concludes

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 4>the story of Jill Nagda. Do you think you're better

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<v Speaker 4>th embezzlement?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Could you come up with a scheme this good?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, this is an incredible scheme. I gotta say,

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 5>here's where my hat. My hat is tipped. Because the

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 5>confidence to even try to pull off this scheme is incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>It's truly like remarkable to I mean, imagine the time

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 5>that he gets on the phone to hear his papa,

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 5>and you gotta be thinking the whole time there's no

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 5>way this will work, and then boom, he goes for it.

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<v Speaker 5>Like that just takes sheer confidence. I'm wildly impressed. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know that I could think of something on this

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 5>level because I would cave instantly and I'd have to

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<v Speaker 5>tell them the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't think you can make it through three, three

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<v Speaker 4>and seventy five calls?

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<v Speaker 2>I also also, yes, great point.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't be able to pull this off because I'd

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<v Speaker 5>be like, dude, look, I'm stealing from you, Okay, I

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 5>can't talk to you all the time. I'm getting this

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<v Speaker 5>ver to build and it's loud out here.

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<v Speaker 4>After the break, our final segment. All right, this is

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 4>gonna be fun because I have no idea what's going

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<v Speaker 4>to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, and isn't that life Say lovey? You know exactly,

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 5>Love Say Lovey.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back to Crime List. It's everybody's favorite part of

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<v Speaker 4>the show. The final segment, Lane, what is our final

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<v Speaker 4>segment this week?

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<v Speaker 6>Today? We are going to do a tarot card reading.

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<v Speaker 6>I have the fun thing about this is I've never

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<v Speaker 6>done it before, and I would guess that maybe you

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 6>and Rory also have it.

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<v Speaker 5>Never I have done it. I have done a tarot

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<v Speaker 5>card reading. I won't I won't have any sort of

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 5>like ability to judge your version of it because I'm

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 5>not that invested in a tarot card reading. But my

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 5>wife is a practicing self titled witch. My wife has

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 5>done many a tarot card readings, and so she's also

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 5>offered to do them to me, and they're fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like when we talked about the witch earlier,

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 4>you didn't mention this your your wife is a witch.

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<v Speaker 5>Also, I didn't want to say anything, you know, not

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 5>in this political climate, you have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know what it's like right now.

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<v Speaker 6>It could be a real, real witch hunt.

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 2>And it's because we're getting there and we're.

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<v Speaker 6>Getting a little on the nose. Well, so you might

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 6>be better at this than we assume. So what I

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<v Speaker 6>was thinking was, we'll pull some cards via this website

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<v Speaker 6>I found. Okay and Rory, feel free to jump in.

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<v Speaker 6>But people turn to tarot cards for like guidance advice.

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 6>They're they're looking to get some answers about questions in

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<v Speaker 6>their lives. Could be big, could be small. Rory, what

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<v Speaker 6>kind of questions does your wife normally answer or look

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<v Speaker 6>look look for guidance on?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't fully know.

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<v Speaker 5>I know that when I've done it, and a granted,

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<v Speaker 5>look I've done it maybe twice and it was a

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<v Speaker 5>while ago. But you know, I've realized you can't just

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 5>out loud before the tarot card reading, just go will

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 5>I ever have a threesome and see if that's gonna

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<v Speaker 5>you just you know what I mean, And especially if

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<v Speaker 5>your wife is pulling the cards.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, no, the car's definitely not. Oh, I just

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<v Speaker 2>got an X it's just so that was your card.

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<v Speaker 4>We should ask it deeper questions, I think.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah, or like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I'm sorry, Josh, is the am I going to

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<v Speaker 5>have a threesome? Not a deep question for you?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so we'll pull three cards. So, Rory, what's what's

0:32:57.760 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 6>your question?

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<v Speaker 2>Will I find uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Umm?

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<v Speaker 2>Will I find great fortune in my future? I don't know?

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Is that something? Is that a question?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll take bottom right uh, and then uh, I'll take

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<v Speaker 5>the sixth row left side, and then I'll take the

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 5>sixth row far right side. Whoa, I got the four

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<v Speaker 5>of Pinnacles, the nine of Wands, and the five of Swords.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope to god someone is listening at home and

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<v Speaker 5>just spit their coffee out because they know what these

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 5>things mean.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know how much Tara was like Dungeons and Dragons.

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, does that make it cooler?

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm not gonna lie. That could be a successful bumper sticker.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our merch our merch.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know how much Taro was gonna be like

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 5>dungeons and Dragons. And then it just says, Josh to

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 5>quote you to give a credit of the quote Josh.

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<v Speaker 4>Put a lot of t shirt. Sorry, I didn't mean to.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't mean to make light of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Very serious.

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<v Speaker 2>So what does this mean, Lane? What does four of

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 2>pinnacles mean for me?

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<v Speaker 6>So pinnacles are more focused on earthly desires and matter

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 6>of the earth here and now, representing what's around you.

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 6>So I guess maybe if you're looking for like riches.

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 2>Or the threesome thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, look, look to your left, look to your right,

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<v Speaker 6>who's there?

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<v Speaker 2>You know there's a painting my dog. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>not working out well at all.

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<v Speaker 6>We can consider that in the past, so like, that's

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<v Speaker 6>what you tried before.

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<v Speaker 2>So the present, all right, the present? Nine of one

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<v Speaker 2>kind of wands.

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<v Speaker 6>Wands are symbolic of proactivity and action and attributed to fire.

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<v Speaker 6>It's very passionate suit okay, okay, a lot of determination happening,

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of drives. So you're motivated for this fortune.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lie. I feel that.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel that career wise, I feel that personal personal

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<v Speaker 5>growth wise.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is what happens.

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<v Speaker 5>You're able to relate to these things and you can

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<v Speaker 5>decide if it's all less just convincing ourselves or not.

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<v Speaker 5>But that is relevant to my current state.

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<v Speaker 6>So looking forward to the future, swords, we gotta five

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<v Speaker 6>five of swords.

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<v Speaker 2>I die, Don't I end up dying? Just Lane, just

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<v Speaker 2>tell me in the future, do I end up dying?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want to answer that.

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<v Speaker 3>For you.

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<v Speaker 6>That's that's your own personal churn.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your that's your interpretation of reality, that's your thing.

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<v Speaker 4>We all have our own.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So the five of swords often signifies conflict betrayal in

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<v Speaker 6>a situation where someone wins at any cost.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh God, it started out, man, my present is so good,

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<v Speaker 5>and then it's like, but.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you're gonna fight everybody and be betrayed.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it could also be like you're in your

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<v Speaker 6>head about it. So maybe you're thinking, like you're projecting

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<v Speaker 6>these these feelings of competition, and you know your enemy

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<v Speaker 6>is actually not your enemy. Perhaps it's your friend.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh okay, okay, Lane, you're like really good at this. Wow,

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<v Speaker 5>Google or not, You've got great delivery.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 6>Broy. Do you feel like you got the answers?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I am walking away with what I got.

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<v Speaker 5>The other times is that if you're willing to connect dots,

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<v Speaker 5>they will connect, and if you're unwilling and you don't

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<v Speaker 5>want them to connect.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it's it can feel ridiculous, but I will.

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<v Speaker 5>Say enough people subscribe to Tarot readings in this form

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<v Speaker 5>of thing that I just look at and I go,

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<v Speaker 5>who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>Who even? Why can't this be.

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<v Speaker 5>A valid form of getting through life and trying to

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<v Speaker 5>figure out the puzzle that is our reality? So I

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<v Speaker 5>believe it only because the middle part was really good

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<v Speaker 5>for me. Yeah, the future, the sword thing, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>adhere to that.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that Trost, the friends we made along the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Here you go.

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<v Speaker 4>Josh Crimeless is a production of SmartLess Media, Campside Media,

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<v Speaker 4>and Big Money Players in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. It's

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<v Speaker 4>hosted by Rory Scovel and me Josh Dean. Our senior

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<v Speaker 4>producer is Lane Rose. Emma Stimenov is our associate producer.

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<v Speaker 4>This episode was written by Laine Rose and me Josh Dean.

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<v Speaker 4>from Ewan Letram Ewen. Mark McAdam composed our theme song.

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<v Speaker 4>The executive producers at Campside Media are Vanessa Gregoriatis, Matt Cher,

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