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Speaker 4: So Rory, what's the best way to embezzle money from

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Speaker 2: Why do you? Why do you ask? It?

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Speaker 5: Is though you think I'm some sort of hardened criminal

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you're the So you work in a town

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Speaker 4: Okay. Well, this was a tough one. I didn't expect

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Speaker 4: you have a embezzlement scheme in mind. Each of these

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Speaker 4: But the answer I was looking for was establish a

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Speaker 4: successful psychic practice and bewitch a city official to lavish.

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Speaker 5: Okay, This is going to sound crazy, but psychically that

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Speaker 4: This week we're going deep inside the wild world of

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Speaker 4: psychics slash mediums who pray on innocent mayors in France Dushane,

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Speaker 4: which means I think, don't change the channel if Google

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Speaker 4: can be believed. Welcome back to Crimeless, the podcast that

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Speaker 4: celebrates the amazing creativity of the.

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Speaker 5: World's dumbest criminals. I'm Josh Dean and I am Rory Scovel.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Rory.

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Speaker 4: Today's story, as I said, takes place in France. Have

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Speaker 2: I've been to France for my honeymoon.

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Speaker 4: Was it as romantic as they say?

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Speaker 2: It was very romantic.

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Speaker 5: We rented a car after being in Paris a little

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Speaker 1: Us with the tire.

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Speaker 5: Did they they did? An old man showed up and

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Speaker 5: I thought we would need more than just changing a

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Speaker 4: Right, for all of our fans in the South of France,

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Speaker 1: This would have been if you'd taken a right. So yep.

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Speaker 4: So our story involves a mayor, a psychic, and a

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Speaker 2: Can't believe I haven't heard this already, So first.

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Speaker 4: Let's meet the mayor who's the star of our story.

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Speaker 4: His name is uh and pardon, I can't believe I

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Speaker 2: God, I love that name. Jill Niciel.

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Speaker 4: He was born the seaside town of Agde, a little

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Speaker 2: Have you ever run for anything outside of student government?

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Speaker 4: So Jill was on track to make history as the

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Speaker 4: Now this is a tourist town. It swells from around

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is.

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Speaker 4: Two hundred and eighty thousand people on their honeymoons.

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Speaker 5: Do you know what a naturist resort is is that

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Speaker 4: So this town has a nickname, Like New York, it's

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Speaker 4: It contains the largest nudist resort. But I think there's

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Speaker 4: One of the local beaches was nicknamed the Bay of Pigs,

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Speaker 2: Get out there, you naked pigs, go soak. Come some

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Speaker 1: It's a great French accent.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: If I didn't pay all that money for voice lessons,

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Speaker 4: All these naked folks running around has created a bit

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Speaker 4: Well, it's created some tension in the community of nudists

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Speaker 4: Weird and even dangerous. According to a two thousand and

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Speaker 5: I said, naturists, naturists. I like both naturists. I'm a naturist.

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Speaker 4: However, that's the story for another episode. This is just

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Speaker 2: So wow, that's a real tease right there, Josh.

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Speaker 4: So, anyway, we're here to talk about the mayor of

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Speaker 4: He's always felt like he lived in the shadows of

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Speaker 5: All very classic mayor activity, you know, total extracurricular activity.

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Speaker 4: So when this cop says you should speak to my psychic,

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Speaker 4: He makes an appointment with a woman named Sophia Martinez.

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Speaker 5: She's never gone to a psychic, but she is on

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Speaker 2: Mayor over here.

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Speaker 4: She's in her forties. She lives in town with her

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Speaker 1: From three marriages. France Man yep.

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Speaker 4: Her services include hypnosis, tarot card readings, even seances. A

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Speaker 1: By going to Sophia.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, Sophia and Jiels have their first communication session.

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Speaker 4: She tells him things she couldn't possibly have known about

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Speaker 2: On the line, you didn't see this coming, okay, it

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Speaker 4: Damn it, Rory, you're too good at the show.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 4: You're too good. You're too good. You see, you are

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Speaker 2: This is what embezzling means.

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Speaker 4: It is gonna it's all gonna come around. So, yes,

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Speaker 4: this voice is deep masculine, definitely not Sofia and introduces

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Speaker 2: Oh, here we go.

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Speaker 4: The mayor believes that Papa is none other than I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, solved it his dad. Yeah, why wouldn't you believe that?

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Speaker 5: Of course he's on a phone, living in the afterlife.

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Speaker 4: And you definitely would not suspect that someone else was

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Speaker 1: Of course it's dad, right.

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Speaker 5: Of course, his dad was like, look, I could just

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Speaker 2: However, why would we do that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I don't talk to my wife in the same

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Speaker 1: Fair point, nor do I.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to judge yet. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So they're having these discussions of incredible depth. The kindie

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Speaker 4: But I wonder who's the dumb one. Yeah, So the

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Speaker 1: Back to the mayor.

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Speaker 2: I'm I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm just fascinated by the idea of someone just falling

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Speaker 5: I've never been hypnotized, but I live in a world

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Speaker 5: So who knows. Maybe Jill is, like you said, wildly vulnerable.

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Speaker 5: And at no point is he like are you sure

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Speaker 1: This is the guy running the town.

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Speaker 5: This is also the guy in charge.

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Speaker 4: Of five consecutive elections. He's he's an unbeatable incumbent mayor

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Speaker 4: now he has a connection to the afterlife and he

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 4: One of their favorite topics, One of Papa's favorite topics

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Speaker 4: She's a saint. Jill was chosen to protect her and

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Speaker 4: In a previous life, Jill was an Egyptian priestess who

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Speaker 1: Who my god, Sophia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, I mean you can tell there's a familial connection.

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Speaker 5: Love that someone says that to you and you don't

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Speaker 4: I mean, really swinging for the fences with this reincarnated

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Speaker 5: Nope, you know that these two con artists were just

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Speaker 2: We throw the tutin common at him? Let's I think

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Speaker 4: So like basically, at this point, he's convinced that he's

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Speaker 4: can you see where this is going?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I can see where it's going, and I know that

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Speaker 4: So Gill starts paying for things her birthday parties and vacations.

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Speaker 4: He gave a relative's cushy jobs at town hall he

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Speaker 1: To Light Yep.

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Speaker 4: The mayor even helped plan and paid for her her

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Speaker 1: Yes, unclear if Papa was in attendance.

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Speaker 4: It's also not one hundred percent clear at first where

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Speaker 1: He's just a humble civil sermon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're starting to see it's you know, we look

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: So far crime so far, wildly innocent and wildly respect

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Speaker 4: Good, But people start to suspect that Jill may be raiding.

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Speaker 1: The town's coffers.

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Speaker 4: For example, Papa told the mayor that Sophia needed a

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is why he's a five time champion.

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Speaker 4: Really, I mean I got to imagine on some level,

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Speaker 1: Your daughter with toot in common.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but like you know, you're giving someone a job

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Speaker 4: or moving somebody's resume at the top. That's not embezzlement. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's corruption. I guess corruption is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: For me to believe that.

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Speaker 4: Not every government official corrupt on some level, this is

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Speaker 4: So anyway, this kind of creative accounting goes on for

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Speaker 4: And in October of twenty twenty three, the mayor ex wife,

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Speaker 4: there's Geraldine, his ex wife. She's had enough. She called

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Speaker 4: they call them gen Darmes there Lane John Darmes.

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Speaker 6: It just let police.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let police sounds better than John's arms.

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Speaker 4: Is that how easy French is?

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Speaker 5: I love that his ex wife's name is Geraldine. That

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Speaker 2: Jeel and jer jeelan jer Jill and jer eh Jilla Jerier.

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Speaker 4: You sound like you were doing a like a morning

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Speaker 5: Oh you're listening to low radio.

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Speaker 2: Jee. I'm Jill, I'm Jill, and this is jer in

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Speaker 2: the morning. I was about to say that in French,

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Speaker 2: do I I could, honestly, I could have riffed for

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna go back to French. Police wire tapped

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Speaker 4: Jill's phone and pull the phone records in.

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Speaker 1: The past year.

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Speaker 4: Wow, they counted a jaw dropping three thousand, three and

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Speaker 4: seventy five telephone conversations between Gildatur and Sophia.

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Speaker 2: Mark in one year.

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Speaker 4: Yeplank, he's the math on that. How many calls per day?

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Speaker 6: It's ten per day at least.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I've I don't think I've done that

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I haven't.

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Speaker 6: I'd also want to just point out that this is

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Speaker 5: Oh my yeah, yeah yeah, yes, So like is the

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Speaker 4: Like who's picking up the trash? Like the bills getting paid? Like?

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Speaker 5: Well, The good thing is no one can tell because

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Speaker 4: You got people burning down swinger clubs exactly.

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Speaker 5: Geal is hidden by the atrocities of this no one notices.

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Speaker 4: H So the cops also when they got these calls,

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Speaker 4: they heard what Jeal couldn't that the voice of Papa

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Speaker 2: Rory, was it her?

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Speaker 1: It was?

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Speaker 2: It was She's that good apparently. Ugh, that's amazing.

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Speaker 5: She was so good at throwing her voice that he thought,

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Speaker 5: not only is this a man, but this is my father?

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: I mean a lot of questions about Giel, but maybe

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's got a she's got a talent, and I'm

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Speaker 4: She applied it well. So both she and Jille are

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Speaker 4: But when she was just a kid, a petite enfant

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Speaker 4: Did you ever have an imaginary friend as a kid.

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Speaker 5: I think I did, but like it lived inside me,

446
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Speaker 5: like the kid from the Shining.

447
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Speaker 4: That's dark. I had three I had three of them.

448
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 4: You had three, yeah, Ronnie Princess and OJ System OJ System. Yeah,

449
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 4: it was a more innocent time so we did not

450
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 4: know things that we knew about OJ later. But yeah, apparently,

451
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 4: according to my mom, I called him OJ system, and

452
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Speaker 4: I would like make the family stop.

453
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Speaker 1: The car and pick them up.

454
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Speaker 4: Often like okay, they would just be I guess we

455
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 4: just drive by and see him on the road and

456
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Speaker 4: be like, we gotta we got to pick them up.

457
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Speaker 5: You know, these, uh, these interviews before two people decide

458
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 5: to work together got to get more specific, Like we

459
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Speaker 5: got to know this going in.

460
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Speaker 2: I can't.

461
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 4: I meant to bring them.

462
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Speaker 5: I love your parents rolling their eyes like, well, I

463
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Speaker 5: guess we have to go out of our way to

464
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Speaker 5: go pick up a non existent piece of air.

465
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Speaker 4: Anyway, So Sophia is great at this. You know, she's

466
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,479
Speaker 4: she's bringing this imaginary friend who she claims she had

467
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 4: named Papa as a child, and then she just incorporated

468
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Speaker 4: it into her practice and people reacted, they responded well

469
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 4: to it, so it just became part of her thing.

470
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's it great. I honestly think it's great.

471
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 5: She's just passing the ball around. She's helping friends get jobs,

472
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 5: is all she's doing.

473
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Speaker 4: I'm bringing Ronnie and Princess to the next tapic.

474
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Speaker 2: That does feel like nepotism.

475
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Speaker 4: So for the record, she stands by her psychic abilities

476
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 4: and powers, though she does own up to tricking Leameyer.

477
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 4: She admitted that she quote couldn't stand seeing all that

478
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Speaker 4: money around. She also grew addicted to the attention. The

479
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 4: more I had, the more I asked for. She claimed

480
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Speaker 4: that she even knew she was being wired tapped at

481
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Speaker 4: the end, but she couldn't stop talking in that voice.

482
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Speaker 4: The power of Papa was too much.

483
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Speaker 5: I love that she knew she was getting wired tapped,

484
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 5: and she was just like, we nothing stops this train.

485
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 2: We keep going.

486
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Speaker 4: It is what she said direct quote. I've entered a

487
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Speaker 4: role playing game and I can't get out, like someone

488
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Speaker 4: who drinks and can't stop.

489
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Speaker 5: I still I want it noted. I still don't think

490
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Speaker 5: she's done anything wrong.

491
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean right, because it's not like, well, I

492
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 4: guess we don't know. Even if she were to order

493
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 4: him to embezzle money like she's is that committee. Like

494
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 4: if I ask if I today right now, say Rory,

495
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 4: I demand that you go and rob a bank, Like

496
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Speaker 4: if you go and rob a bank, I don't think

497
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: I can be arrested for that.

498
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Speaker 5: I agree, that's what I mean, I think that her

499
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Speaker 5: power of persuasion, that's on him to be so gullible

500
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Speaker 5: to fall for it.

501
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and he's like so dumbstruck that he

502
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 4: doesn't even believe the cops until they played him a

503
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 4: tape of her demonstrating the voice, which is like a

504
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Speaker 4: really sad scene in.

505
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Speaker 5: A movie in front of other adults, having to like

506
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 5: sit there and be like, oh, okay, yeah, no, I see,

507
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 5: I see what you mean by she's the one.

508
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Speaker 2: Doing both of them. Okay, got it, got it? You know?

509
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: Do you think at any point he tried to play

510
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: the card?

511
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Speaker 5: Guys, I've been investigating this for three years.

512
00:24:54,480 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: It was obviously I know that it's fake. I set

513
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: her up. Yeah, this is a setup.

514
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 4: I'm the genius here. Yeah, obviously, pop, Come on, what

515
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: a lot.

516
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: Of people can't believe he's still won a sixth year.

517
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: That good?

518
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 4: Oh well, he's like you can imagine, he's devastrated, betrayed,

519
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 4: even embarrassed. He's charged with Oh gosh, I have these

520
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 4: in French, so bear with mere illegal. Didn't tell you

521
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 4: no idea what that is? De tournment defon public. I'm

522
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: guessing that's embezzlement. And corruption, corruption, corruption, the corruption. He

523
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 4: spends three months in pre trialed attention, resigned from his

524
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: position as mayor so No sixth term, and in a

525
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 4: public statement, apologized for any wrongdoing, but he made sure

526
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 4: to qualify that he was quote first and foremost, a victim.

527
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: I think we take some issue with that.

528
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Speaker 5: I mean, I look, I just see the good in people.

529
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 5: I believe him too. I think they should have this,

530
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 5: should this of all should have been just allowed to happen.

531
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 4: Well, Sophia gets charged with embezzlement and tax fraud, and

532
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: she also served three months in prison before her trial.

533
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 4: I don't know, this doesn't seem right, France. We got

534
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 4: to talk about your I feel like you're are we

535
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 4: not innocent until proven guilty? Over there?

536
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 5: No, I don't know if you noticed, But nobody's really

537
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 5: doing that anymore. No, Nope, guilty, no matter what. Even

538
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 5: if you just think they're guilty, they're guilty.

539
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: Just get you, just say guilty, and so everyone goes,

540
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: you got it, look guilty, look guilty, and some of it.

541
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 4: She spends in solitary confinement because the other inmates think

542
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 4: she's a witch.

543
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 5: Yeah I get it, Yeah I might she might be yeah.

544
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know that the others get to

545
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 5: decide that, but you know I like that.

546
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: France is like, look, we're going to vote on everything.

547
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 4: Put the witch in solitary.

548
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: Okay, clap if you think she's a witch and it

549
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 5: freaks you out.

550
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: She's ultimately released under judicial supervision, but was banned from

551
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 4: practicing as a psychic, which I'm not totally sure how

552
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: you enforce, right, like tinfoil hat, Like, what do you do?

553
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 4: How do you stop someone from being a psychic?

554
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: I don't know.

555
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 5: How do you even get that business license? Like is

556
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 5: that are you going to licensed?

557
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: And people are like, all right, look, go ahead and

558
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: tell people you can talk to the beyond. But it's

559
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 2: seven percent.

560
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 4: As for the city of Agda, they've got a new mayor,

561
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 4: an uncertain future, and some promising developments on the new

562
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 4: test front. Who was going to leave you hanging here?

563
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: Thank you to speak?

564
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

565
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: I know what you did right there, I got it.

566
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled to report that there's been progress a truce

567
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 4: between the swingers and naturists and what led to this

568
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 4: de talent any theories?

569
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 5: Well, I here's what this is not going to be correct.

570
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 5: But I'd like to believe that the naturists finally realized

571
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 5: that sexual deviance is consu entered somewhat natural, and I

572
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 5: hope that they came to terms with that.

573
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: Also, and maybe this is a controversial opinion, that they

574
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 4: realized that, like one of the fun things about being

575
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 4: naked is having sex with other people, right, yeah, yes, yes,

576
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: And so you're wrong, of course, Okay, although you're right.

577
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like that was a good answer,

578
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: But the real answer is COVID nineteen.

579
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: Oh, It's always COVID.

580
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 4: Perhaps not surprisingly, Agda was hit very hard by the coronavirus.

581
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 4: At one point early in the pandemic, officials found that

582
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 4: thirty percent of nature Is tested positive, which was four

583
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: times higher than any other city in the surrounding area,

584
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: which would seem to indicate they weren't getting a little close,

585
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: if you know what I'm saying.

586
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 5: Right, But also when they say four times higher than

587
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 5: the other towns, it's like, because it's summertime and all

588
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 5: the other towns are in this town.

589
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that.

590
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 5: They're going from thirty thousand people to three hundred thousand people, Like, yeah,

591
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 5: that's every town that's in a certain rate.

592
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 4: So I guess the lesson is the naked people learn

593
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 4: to wear masks, if not pants. Yeah, and thus concludes

594
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 4: the story of Jill Nagda. Do you think you're better

595
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: th embezzlement?

596
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: Now?

597
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: Could you come up with a scheme this good?

598
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 5: I mean, this is an incredible scheme. I gotta say,

599
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 5: here's where my hat. My hat is tipped. Because the

600
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 5: confidence to even try to pull off this scheme is incredible.

601
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 5: It's truly like remarkable to I mean, imagine the time

602
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 5: that he gets on the phone to hear his papa,

603
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 5: and you gotta be thinking the whole time there's no

604
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 5: way this will work, and then boom, he goes for it.

605
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 5: Like that just takes sheer confidence. I'm wildly impressed. I

606
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 5: don't know that I could think of something on this

607
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 5: level because I would cave instantly and I'd have to

608
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: tell them the truth.

609
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 4: You don't think you can make it through three, three

610
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: and seventy five calls?

611
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: I also also, yes, great point.

612
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be able to pull this off because I'd

613
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 5: be like, dude, look, I'm stealing from you, Okay, I

614
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 5: can't talk to you all the time. I'm getting this

615
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 5: ver to build and it's loud out here.

616
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Speaker 4: After the break, our final segment. All right, this is

617
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Speaker 4: gonna be fun because I have no idea what's going

618
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Speaker 4: to happen.

619
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Speaker 5: Okay, and isn't that life Say lovey? You know exactly,

620
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 5: Love Say Lovey.

621
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Crime List. It's everybody's favorite part of

622
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Speaker 4: the show. The final segment, Lane, what is our final

623
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Speaker 4: segment this week?

624
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Speaker 6: Today? We are going to do a tarot card reading.

625
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Speaker 6: I have the fun thing about this is I've never

626
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 6: done it before, and I would guess that maybe you

627
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 6: and Rory also have it.

628
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 5: Never I have done it. I have done a tarot

629
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 5: card reading. I won't I won't have any sort of

630
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 5: like ability to judge your version of it because I'm

631
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 5: not that invested in a tarot card reading. But my

632
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 5: wife is a practicing self titled witch. My wife has

633
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: done many a tarot card readings, and so she's also

634
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 5: offered to do them to me, and they're fascinating.

635
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: I love it.

636
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: I feel like when we talked about the witch earlier,

637
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: you didn't mention this your your wife is a witch.

638
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 5: Also, I didn't want to say anything, you know, not

639
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 5: in this political climate, you have no idea.

640
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: You don't know what it's like right now.

641
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 6: It could be a real, real witch hunt.

642
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: And it's because we're getting there and we're.

643
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 6: Getting a little on the nose. Well, so you might

644
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 6: be better at this than we assume. So what I

645
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 6: was thinking was, we'll pull some cards via this website

646
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 6: I found. Okay and Rory, feel free to jump in.

647
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 6: But people turn to tarot cards for like guidance advice.

648
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 6: They're they're looking to get some answers about questions in

649
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 6: their lives. Could be big, could be small. Rory, what

650
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 6: kind of questions does your wife normally answer or look

651
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 6: look look for guidance on?

652
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: I don't know.

653
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: I don't I don't fully know.

654
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 5: I know that when I've done it, and a granted,

655
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 5: look I've done it maybe twice and it was a

656
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 5: while ago. But you know, I've realized you can't just

657
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 5: out loud before the tarot card reading, just go will

658
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 5: I ever have a threesome and see if that's gonna

659
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 5: you just you know what I mean, And especially if

660
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 5: your wife is pulling the cards.

661
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: She's like, no, the car's definitely not. Oh, I just

662
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: got an X it's just so that was your card.

663
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: We should ask it deeper questions, I think.

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Speaker 6: Right, yeah, or like I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sorry, Josh, is the am I going to

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Speaker 5: have a threesome? Not a deep question for you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so we'll pull three cards. So, Rory, what's what's

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Speaker 6: your question?

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Speaker 2: Will I find uh?

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Speaker 3: Umm?

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Speaker 2: Will I find great fortune in my future? I don't know?

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Speaker 2: Is that something? Is that a question?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good one.

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Speaker 5: I'll take bottom right uh, and then uh, I'll take

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Speaker 5: the sixth row left side, and then I'll take the

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Speaker 5: sixth row far right side. Whoa, I got the four

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Speaker 5: of Pinnacles, the nine of Wands, and the five of Swords.

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Speaker 5: I hope to god someone is listening at home and

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Speaker 5: just spit their coffee out because they know what these

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Speaker 5: things mean.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know how much Tara was like Dungeons and Dragons.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, does that make it cooler?

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie. That could be a successful bumper sticker.

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Speaker 2: That's our merch our merch.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know how much Taro was gonna be like

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Speaker 5: dungeons and Dragons. And then it just says, Josh to

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Speaker 5: quote you to give a credit of the quote Josh.

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Speaker 4: Put a lot of t shirt. Sorry, I didn't mean to.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to make light of this.

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Speaker 1: Very serious.

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Speaker 2: So what does this mean, Lane? What does four of

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Speaker 2: pinnacles mean for me?

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Speaker 6: So pinnacles are more focused on earthly desires and matter

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Speaker 6: of the earth here and now, representing what's around you.

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Speaker 6: So I guess maybe if you're looking for like riches.

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Speaker 2: Or the threesome thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, look to your left, look to your right,

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Speaker 6: who's there?

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Speaker 2: You know there's a painting my dog. So this is

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Speaker 2: not working out well at all.

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Speaker 6: We can consider that in the past, so like, that's

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Speaker 6: what you tried before.

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Speaker 2: So the present, all right, the present? Nine of one

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Speaker 2: kind of wands.

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Speaker 6: Wands are symbolic of proactivity and action and attributed to fire.

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Speaker 6: It's very passionate suit okay, okay, a lot of determination happening,

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Speaker 6: a lot of drives. So you're motivated for this fortune.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I feel that.

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Speaker 5: I feel that career wise, I feel that personal personal

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Speaker 5: growth wise.

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Speaker 2: So this is what happens.

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Speaker 5: You're able to relate to these things and you can

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Speaker 5: decide if it's all less just convincing ourselves or not.

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Speaker 5: But that is relevant to my current state.

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Speaker 6: So looking forward to the future, swords, we gotta five

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Speaker 6: five of swords.

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Speaker 2: I die, Don't I end up dying? Just Lane, just

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Speaker 2: tell me in the future, do I end up dying?

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Speaker 6: I don't want to answer that.

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Speaker 3: For you.

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Speaker 6: That's that's your own personal churn.

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Speaker 2: That's your that's your interpretation of reality, that's your thing.

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Speaker 4: We all have our own.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So the five of swords often signifies conflict betrayal in

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Speaker 6: a situation where someone wins at any cost.

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Speaker 5: Oh God, it started out, man, my present is so good,

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Speaker 5: and then it's like, but.

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Speaker 2: But then you're gonna fight everybody and be betrayed.

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Speaker 6: I think it could also be like you're in your

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Speaker 6: head about it. So maybe you're thinking, like you're projecting

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Speaker 6: these these feelings of competition, and you know your enemy

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Speaker 6: is actually not your enemy. Perhaps it's your friend.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, Lane, you're like really good at this. Wow,

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Speaker 5: Google or not, You've got great delivery.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 6: Broy. Do you feel like you got the answers?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I am walking away with what I got.

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Speaker 5: The other times is that if you're willing to connect dots,

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Speaker 5: they will connect, and if you're unwilling and you don't

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Speaker 5: want them to connect.

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Speaker 2: Then it's it can feel ridiculous, but I will.

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Speaker 5: Say enough people subscribe to Tarot readings in this form

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Speaker 5: of thing that I just look at and I go,

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Speaker 5: who knows?

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Speaker 2: Who even? Why can't this be.

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Speaker 5: A valid form of getting through life and trying to

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Speaker 5: figure out the puzzle that is our reality? So I

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Speaker 5: believe it only because the middle part was really good

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Speaker 5: for me. Yeah, the future, the sword thing, I don't

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Speaker 5: adhere to that.

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Speaker 4: I believe that Trost, the friends we made along the way.

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Speaker 3: Here you go.

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Speaker 4: Josh Crimeless is a production of SmartLess Media, Campside Media,

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Speaker 4: and Big Money Players in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. It's

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Speaker 4: hosted by Rory Scovel and me Josh Dean. Our senior

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Speaker 4: producer is Lane Rose. Emma Stimenov is our associate producer.

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Speaker 4: This episode was written by Laine Rose and me Josh Dean.

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Speaker 4: We're sound designed and engineered by Blake Brook with support

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Speaker 4: from Ewan Letram Ewen. Mark McAdam composed our theme song.

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Speaker 4: The executive producers at Campside Media are Vanessa Gregoriatis, Matt Cher,

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Speaker 4: and me Josh Dean. The executive producers for iHeart Podcast

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Speaker 4: Matt Abbadoca. For s Martlow's Media, the executive producers are

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Speaker 4: Will Arnette, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Richard Corson. Bernie

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Speaker 4: Kaminski is head of production. The Associate producer is Mattie McCann.

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Speaker 4: A special thanks to our operations team, Ashley Warren and

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