1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's give a big shout out 4 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: to our super producer, mister Max Williams. 5 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: Rama limiting, hibba hit, what is it? Baby bang bang 6 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: buggy set up chuting, never mind carry. 7 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Nailed it, No, we can get it into the o ED. 8 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: That's mister Noel Brown. None other Uh. They called me 9 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: ben Bullen in this neck of the woods, and guys 10 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: they thinking about this. We love words. We actually would 11 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: not have this show without words. 12 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: Kind of key. I suppose we could just do it 13 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: with like wild gesticulations now here in the video age, 14 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: but don't think it would hit the same and it'd 15 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: be really hard to consume whilst doing your housework. 16 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: That's right, because you have to watch us. We are 17 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: still working on the interpretive dance episodes of Ridiculous History. 18 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: It's always happening in our hearts. 19 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: There it is, so you know, thank you words. It's 20 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: weird nol because language is one of humanity's oldest technologies 21 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: ever and it is still very much a work in progress. 22 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: And we love that, you know, on this show and 23 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: on stuff that I want you to know. This idea 24 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: of things you might not think are technology as being 25 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: a form of technology. You know, it is an innovation. 26 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: The idea of being able to manipulate sounds and phonemes 27 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: and have shared understanding and logic surrounding ways that we 28 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: can relate to other people, to have a means to 29 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: do that, and the medium with which to transmit those 30 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: ideas is absolutely technology. And I know maybe I'm standing the obvious, 31 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: but every time that comes up, I'm always like a 32 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: little like blown away. 33 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: It's wild, right, And I'm right there with you, man. 34 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: There is no universal spoken language. In previous episodes, we 35 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: talked about how there were a couple of folks over 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: Millennia who had tried to prove to themselves that a 37 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: universal language existed, that if you raised a couple of 38 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: human kids and you never let them talk to anyone else, 39 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: they would speak the true language of God. 40 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: Which is what esperanto. 41 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: I love an Esperanto reference, man, So. 42 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: Of the idea of that Speranto being the true language 43 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: of God. 44 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: That would be so wild. Check out our pals Josh 45 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: and Chuck and Jerry. They made an excellent Esperanto episode 46 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: on their show Stuff. You should know it's weird because 47 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: to your point, it is baffling to consider language technology. 48 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: Over thousands of years, over millennia, all sorts of people 49 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: tried to figure out what makes language tick, how communication works, 50 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: and again the general hibity hoop love interacting with other humans, 51 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: not us or perfect at it. 52 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: And to your point, Ben, in this delightful bit of 53 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: research here on a long enough timeline, everything's gobbledegook. 54 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just. 55 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: A matter of what kind of hits and what becomes 56 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: useful and enough people use and then that becomes part 57 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: of the you know, lexicon or whatever. And you always 58 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: say on Stuff, I don't want you to know, and 59 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: on this show, I'm certain that's you know, the English 60 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: language or language in general, is a working progress and 61 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: it is a living you know language that we're always 62 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: having new words being injected. And I love this idea 63 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: of other countries too, using words from countries that are 64 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: not their own and then recontextualizing them and giving them 65 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: their own unique spin. But ultimately it's a game of 66 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: telephone that involves the entire world. 67 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and here's a spoiler for a lot of us 68 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: listening right now. This is a play along Get Home episode. 69 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: All words at some point were made up, meaning that 70 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: at some point in ancient history enough people pointed at 71 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: the sky and said sky, and everybody just went along 72 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: with that because they, you know, got what you were 73 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: pointing at. 74 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: Is it vibes based? 75 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: Pin? 76 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: Is it like a lot of words? You know, we 77 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: have the term automotopia referring to a word that is 78 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: sounds like the thing that it's describing. You know, sometimes 79 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: it can be very efective. I guess, so those make 80 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: sense to me that someone looked at a thing and 81 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: this saw the sound that it made, and then created 82 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: the word. But then sky, like, where does that even 83 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: come from? But who are we to say, I mean, 84 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: we weren't there? 85 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that point there, Noel, because again, 86 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: civilization is still working on, as you said, the vibes. 87 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: For a few years now, you, Max and I have 88 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: been wondering about a bit of related ridiculous history. How 89 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: does a word officially become a quote unquote real word, 90 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: like the kind of thing you see in a dictionary 91 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: or encyclopedia. What is to stop us, my old friend, 92 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: from just saying Grando Boys as a synonym for thousands 93 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: of US dollars. Do we just insist upon it until 94 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: everybody plays along? 95 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's the only way to do it. 96 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: This is our first meta episode of twenty twenty six. 97 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: What makes a word a word? 98 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? It is. And before we jump into this, I 99 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: would love I've been on a bit of a tear, 100 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: a bit of an obsessive internet rabbit hole lately. Are 101 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: you familiar with the bizarre patois and slang used by 102 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: Toronto teens? 103 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: Ah, you're on the way to Canada. 104 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: Then well I am, but this is unrelated. I just 105 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: the Internet started serving me up these videos of these 106 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: kids in Toronto. Specifically, they sound like they're Jamaican and 107 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: they use all these crazy words like cheesed and mandam 108 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: it's is a group of friends or nyse. It was 109 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 2: recognized walahi, which is Arabic if I swear to god 110 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: ting which is very much a you know, Jamaican kind 111 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: of slang. They're always saying like two two's my word, 112 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: fam and all of these crazy It's bizarre, dude, Just 113 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: look it up in your spare time. Anyone out there 114 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: that isn't a way to type in Toronto oh slang, 115 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: and you'll see some stuff that will blow your wig back. 116 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait to dive into this. I know I 117 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: know several of those words, but it'd be weird if 118 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: I use them, I know. 119 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: But these kids also, they all like pitch their voices 120 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: up and sound like the Lucky Charms Leprechaun. It's a 121 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: whole thing, dude, it's wild. 122 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's all okay, okay, I'm not going to 123 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: say it's awesome. 124 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: Koto is my word crow skime like it's insane. 125 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: You give me perfect recommendations every time. Man, I'm excited 126 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: to dive in. We do have to acknowledge, folks, this 127 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: is an English centric episode, English language centric episode, and 128 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: we are talking about getting words into the official English lexicon. 129 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: If you look at other languages, your mileage may vary. 130 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: For example, France downright militant about what qualifies as canonical. 131 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: Friends and like they both like want you to try 132 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: to speak their language, but also will mock you relentlessly 133 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: when you do it poorly, oh oh man, or when 134 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: you do it okay, but you got a weird you 135 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: got a weird us cadence to you? 136 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: Oh also no, we have to shout this out. We're 137 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: pulling a lot of research for this episode from a 138 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: brain Stuff video I wrote years and years ago, which 139 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: features none other than the Quist. 140 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: Our dynomsis the Quist. And do check out those brain 141 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: Stuff videos. They still are live and well on the internet, 142 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: and brain Stuff, the podcast, hosted by Lauren Vogelbaum, is 143 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 2: still very much an ongoing concern, you know. Hearkening back 144 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: to the the our roots and the house Stuff works universe. 145 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: As she would say, that's actual fact, actual facts. 146 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 147 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: So no, how would we define a word? 148 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: H Let's see, Well, Miriam Webster defines like our like 149 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: like seventh grade project, you know. Presentation research is a 150 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: word as a speech sound or series of speech sounds 151 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: that symbolize and communicate a meaning, usually without being divisible 152 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: into smaller units capable of independent use. That's a that's 153 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: a noodle baker right there. 154 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that's a middle school way to begin. 155 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: I do want to Merriam Webster defines, it's the old joke. 156 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: This is an incredible quote. 157 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: I do think it is, as you said, a noodle baker. 158 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: And I like that turn or phrase. We said we 159 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: were going meta folks, So for what what are they 160 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: saying here? They're saying take the word wo, r D. 161 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: You cannot break that down into a sensible series of 162 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: other words or meaning, Like if you broke it up 163 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: and was just wo and then rd by themselves, maybe 164 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: they are abbreviations for something, or they're nonsense entirely. 165 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: And those are would be the aforementioned phonemes, right, the 166 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 2: little nuggets that comprise a word, the sounds that make 167 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: it up. 168 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: Just so we can make series of sounds that function 169 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: by the rules of a specific language, and people who 170 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: understand that language might almost intuitively understand what you're saying. 171 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of like if you watch a if you 172 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: speak English and you watch a Scandinavian film or something 173 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: from the Low Countries or just you know, hang it 174 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: out in Brussels or something to that effect, you'll hear 175 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: people speaking and you can almost get what they're saying. 176 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Even like the Danish versus German things like that, 177 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 2: there's a lot of shared you know, I'm sorry, I'm 178 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: hearkening back again to my trip to Denmark recently, but 179 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: I know German relatively wellsh enough to get by, and 180 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: there's enough shared words or words that are very similar 181 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: and mean similar things but are spelt slightly different, maybe 182 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: have a few more ja's in them or whatever. It's 183 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 2: really easy to read street signs and the typical things 184 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: walking around, just kind of using context clues. 185 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: And history has proven time and time again that there's 186 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: a reason for that that sort of connectivity. Centuries pass 187 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: and later language speakers will find a word, they'll put 188 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: their own spin on it. They'll remix it, not just 189 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: for pronunciation, but also for the spelling, for the meaning, 190 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: whatever best suits their environment and their ability to communicate. 191 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: This is one of our favorite sciences, etymology all about 192 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: this stuff. It also makes Noel Max and yours truly 193 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: soups fun at parties. 194 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it makes us, you know, it just gives 195 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: us the warm fuzzies something that we enjoy. And this 196 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: is for it not to be confused with entomology, which 197 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: is the study of insects. I like the pause there, 198 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: just you know, on paper, it's like just one one 199 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: letter away. 200 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: Right right right, And we have all found ourselves one 201 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: letter away at some point. 202 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: Well, one letter away from one word meaning in one 203 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: language something completely different, potentially mega offensive, and another. 204 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: And again, I apologize to the good people of the 205 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: Korean peninsula. 206 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: You know what you did, and they know, and you're 207 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: on a list. 208 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: Everyone knows, and hopefully it's a good list. It's a 209 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 3: nice and not notation. And of course all of this 210 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: applies to phrases as well. There are, you know, certain 211 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: figures of speech. 212 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: We went through a thing recently where we were trying 213 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: to translate some of our podcasts into other languages, and 214 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: you realize that the job of a good translator is 215 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: not only just one to one translations. It's how to 216 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: recommunicate the intent and the meaning of one of these 217 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: figures of speech that without the cultural context is going 218 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: to be meaningless. So you have to find like a 219 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: one to one or something at least adjacent in the 220 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: other language and culture to make it make any kind 221 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: of sense. 222 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, this is one of my favorite translators. Once 223 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: said it's a marriage between accuracy and poetry. 224 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: Familion. I knew you were going. That makes exact exactly. 225 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 2: There's an interpretation to it, and it requires a certain 226 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 2: nuance and ability to kind of read between the lines 227 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: and then really paint a picture, you. 228 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, and allow us to be honest folks, we 229 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: are not really here to analyze the in the weeds 230 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: socio political mechanisms of communication, or the mechanics I should 231 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: say English, But we do know the question on everyone's mind. 232 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: How do I you're saying, make up a word and 233 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: then make it official. 234 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: It's a very good question, Ben, one that I'm really 235 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: hoping that you're going to help us answer in this episode. 236 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: Otherwise it's going to be a real letdown. 237 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I'll hop on the tight rope with you. Man, 238 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: we're here together. Uh, let's play along at home, all right, 239 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: everybody in your head, make up a word? Noel, Max, Ben, 240 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: you at home, make. 241 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: Up a word. We also acknowledge that that's pretty difficult 242 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: thing to do. You could, so I kind of do 243 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: because if you I mean, my mind immediately jumps to 244 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: just like nonsense words, and even I have a collection 245 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: and lexicon of nonsense words already in my head. So 246 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: I'm having a real hard time without just grunting and 247 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: making general noises to actually come up with a discrete 248 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: new word. 249 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: Let's, uh, Max, what do you got? 250 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: Bute? Flargle's been done. 251 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: We know. 252 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: The universe somewhat some you know. 253 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 4: Prove it prove it, No. 254 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: I will niversery Google. 255 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: No, we're keeping all of this in. 256 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: Counter from from the counterfeit cat universe is an anthropomorphic, 257 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: kind of a little booger looking purple alien creature. 258 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 4: That sounds like a proper noun, not an actual word. 259 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: Bro, you can get a mug Flargl's in the Urban Dictionary. Dude. 260 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: Okay, now I'm on no side. Maybe it's tough. 261 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying for it to actually be you know, 262 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: flargyl snorpeledork space attorney. 263 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: Right. 264 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, everybody remembers flourpol's snorkeledork flargles. 265 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: Blabberdasherie. 266 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: See, but you just took haberdashery and and and changed hab. 267 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: To blab Okay, fair point. 268 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's ave. I just say it again. 269 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 2: That's the and I like. I like what you did 270 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: there because you combine a lot of consonants and vowelly 271 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: things to make it sounds like English. It does sound 272 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: like English, But I would argue that that one is 273 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: probably not going to come up on a precursory Google. 274 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: You win, no, no craft, we're playing together, least anowledge 275 00:15:59,520 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: that it's not. 276 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: It is very much not easy. I'm with you there, 277 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: uh And like we're saying, don't be surprised if you 278 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: run into a flargo moment if the word you made 279 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: up already exist in some form. And by the way, 280 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: Max nice one on differentiating between a proper noun and 281 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: uh uh utility word. 282 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: Right. Can I also just say in my flargle Google, 283 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: which is fun to say, I found, like ex Post says, 284 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: tried making a new word. I call it flargyl. 285 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 5: You lose, Max, I was just like trying to try 286 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 5: and do like you know, bring my inner Rick and Mortium, Yes. 287 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: Exactly, And they've got the schlowmies this of course, so 288 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: uh as you can tell folks, we're we're running into 289 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: the same difficulties trying to make up a new word 290 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: that means something and is not also inherently hilarious to us. 291 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: Communication is arguably one of the first big three games. 292 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: The other two are survival and reproduction. But Noel riddle 293 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: is this, How does a made up word like the 294 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: beautiful ones all three of us just described, how does 295 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: it become quote unquote real or accepted? 296 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: Well, I guess that depends on the context. Of the question, like, 297 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: are we talking about how in the history of the 298 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: human race a word becomes real in terms of its usage, 299 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 2: or are we talking about like officially on paper, recognized 300 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: by some governing body of language, like in the Phantom Tollbooth, 301 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: does a word become quote unquote accepted? Because I think 302 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: whichever one we're talking about, the answer is it depends. 303 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 3: Right. 304 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: Oh man, you're good at this. I missed when we 305 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: had I've missed you guys when we weren't recording. 306 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: Oh sank it. Honestly, dude, It's been really great to 307 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: have the break, because not to say that I was 308 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: getting burned out or anything like that, but it's just 309 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: we do a lot of this, and having that break 310 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: in that reset, I've just been really fired up to 311 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,239 Speaker 2: do this with y'all and excited to be here some 312 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: feelings mutually. 313 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: It's just such a great question you posed, because in 314 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: the days of old and the Empires of old, this 315 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: was so ad hoc. Like what you just heard us do, folks, 316 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: is what really happened throughout history. Most people could not 317 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: read a written language, and words were drifting in and 318 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: out of meaning, pronunciation, and spelling to a crazy degree. 319 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of good rulers of various 320 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: empires were aware of this, so they tried to, you know, 321 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: pull a hammer Robbie and codify stuff. But some of 322 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: them actively suppressed the power of literacy and they tried 323 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: to restrict they do that. 324 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't think of I can't think 325 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: of a logical reason why you don't want to keep 326 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: people dumb. 327 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: I don't have a single flargle for it. 328 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: No, wait, what is bargo bargle? It's it's it gets 329 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: a cartoon character, but it's also just like it is 330 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: a clear example of like clearly the Internet attempting to 331 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: come up with a new word. There is something called 332 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: blargo flargle that is some kind of board game. Zombie addition, 333 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 2: it says here. 334 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 5: Ben, the long story short is floggles whatever you need 335 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 5: it to be six seven. 336 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: Oh man, you guys are so chill. I love this. 337 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: What's a song blargo flargle Zombie edition. This is the 338 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: The insrot of the song is just blargo flargle over 339 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: and over again, and then at the end goes gra 340 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: When the day is long and the mind is numb, 341 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 2: blargo flargles. The words that come no rhyme or reason, 342 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: just a silly sound blargo flargle when no thoughts are found. 343 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: That's crazy that they say no rhyme or reason, It'll 344 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: who of them that rhymes and a pair. 345 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: Of words that are clearly designed around the fact. 346 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: That they so. The idea of repressing knowledge is definitely 347 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: sith Lord stuff. I think we could argue, or let's 348 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: through Max Max, what's the Star Trek equivalent of a 349 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: sith Lord. 350 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: I don't know. The Borg maybe, yeah, I mean, but 351 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 4: even the. 352 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: Border they have an imperative though it's not like they're mean, 353 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: They just are this thing, right. 354 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, you could argue the Borger just kind of what 355 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 5: the programming is. That's what I mean, they're just doing. 356 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 5: I mean, you look at the character like Hugh from TNG, 357 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 5: who is just like you know, I will make your 358 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 5: life better if you're gonna simulate it. Or maybe that's 359 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 5: from a different episode, but argue that. 360 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: But that's Star Trek T means the next generation truth. 361 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: Seeing of all this kind of stuff. Shout out to Pluribus, 362 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: by the way, and do check that show. It incorporates 363 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 2: a lot of what we're talking about in terms of 364 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: hive mind kind of stuff. It's a very very very 365 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: cool depiction of that kind of sci fi trophe. But 366 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: let's get back on jack that we're talking about suppression 367 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: of language and the fact that in general, in the 368 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: days of old, most people couldn't read, so the arbiter 369 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: of which words became words fell to those in the 370 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: top toppy top top. 371 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, ex oh man, you nailed it. This also 372 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: shows us this longstanding habit of suppressing knowledge shows us 373 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: the power of the written word and the power of 374 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: the book. You know, we've mentioned it before, nol. Reading 375 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: something written by your favorite dead author is a lot 376 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: like necromancy or time travel, and I would say the 377 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: same with hearing ancient songs. 378 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's transportive. And one thing you start to see 379 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: in fascist regimes is the suppression of stories because of 380 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 2: how powerful they are to communicate ideas and to change 381 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: hearts and mind or to put someone in someone else's shoes. 382 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: It is an absolute superpower. 383 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: And thankfully, humanity soldiered on through no small numbers of disasters. 384 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: Some were natural disasters, some were created by people and polity. 385 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: But now there's not just one system of word adoption. 386 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: There are several systems. So we have created a word, right, 387 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: we're still playing a log at home. We want legitimacy. 388 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: How do we get our word in the dictionary. 389 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: It's so crazy, man, Yeah, I mean we it always 390 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: makes our list at the end of every year, the 391 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: Websters or Cambridge or Oxford rather their word of the Year, 392 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: which I believe this year. Well, you know, in previous 393 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: years with stuff like brain rot, which you know, you 394 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: could argue that combining two existing words together into one 395 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: word makes a new word, and it is something that 396 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: was just very much in the zeitgeist. So a lot 397 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 2: of this slang and a lot of these words that 398 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: have ended up in that Toronto slang thing I was 399 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 2: talking about earlier are the kinds of things you're going 400 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 2: to really start seeing thrown around as quote unquote new words. 401 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, way more to it than just pop 402 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 2: culture stuff. The lovely folks at Webster, Miriam, they've combed 403 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: through existing literature, right like oh, sleuthing for new words, 404 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: changes in language, new uses. 405 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Different dictionaries are going to have their various 406 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: sort of house rules methods for selecting words to be 407 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: included in their newer editions. But they're more or less 408 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: looking for the same criteria. It's kind of like how 409 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: point six to one fourish of a mile is technically 410 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: one kilometer, but both of those measurements describe the exact 411 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: same amount of distance. If you want your word canonical, buckerouse, 412 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: we got to get it in print. If you want 413 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: to get a nod from the Oxford English Dictionary, you. 414 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: Got the fancy. 415 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they're so fancy. They don't even wear ties, man, 416 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: they wear cravats. 417 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: Mm hm yeah, the fanciest. 418 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: Do you wear a cravat? Have you ever? 419 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: Worn't know the difference in ava? 420 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna look like I feel like it's 421 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: a fancy It's like a scarf that goes inside your colleague. 422 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 2: What's an ascot? Oh my gosh, what is Fred wearing? 423 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: Scooby do? Is that a cravat? And ask that's an ascot? 424 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: That's an ascot. 425 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: But he's got a little scarf action going on. So there. 426 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 2: I can't be the only one wondering. 427 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm on it all right, Max, Max is gonna update. 428 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: You're pulling up the facts. 429 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: He is. We're so excited. I love the instrumental version 430 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: of Max with the facts as well. Man, it's just 431 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: so hype. 432 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: Uh So, it's a Matt Frederick for composing the absolutely 433 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: mellifluous bop. 434 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: Oh yes and melifluous. What a wonderful word fan. Uh 435 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: So it's around eighteen fifty seven, and the the eggheads 436 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: over at Oxford have used a reading program ever since 437 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: then to do what you've just described. Noel, to find 438 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: what they consider use cases appropriate quotations for each entry 439 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: in their dictionary. 440 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: Already got me thinking, how AI is going to start 441 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: being used for this moving forward, and then it's going 442 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 2: to influence the outcome. And yeah, it's like a or 443 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 2: a Boroughs kind of situation. 444 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: I am Jack's lack of surprise. 445 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: Just thinking there's kind of no way around it, because 446 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: what you're even describing is reading programs. 447 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know, a precursor. It's all of this 448 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 3: one hundred percent pattern recognition. So in their reading program 449 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: department for OED, we've got fifty lexicographers and they read 450 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 3: almost every possible thing that can be read. And I 451 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: agree with you reluctantly this probably goes into large language models. 452 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 3: At this point, we're not talking just novels. Newspapers. Should 453 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 3: it still exist? We're talking about transcripts from TV and 454 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: song lyrics and magazines and social media. And now we 455 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: returned with super producer mats. 456 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 4: Give us all right, I got some surprises right here. 457 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 5: I was not a secondent either, But a uh, A 458 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 5: cravat is kind of an umbrella term that includes things 459 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 5: like bow ties, ascots, and actual ties. 460 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: So there's a diagram situation. 461 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, well so no, like it's actually it's a catch 462 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 4: up floats. It's a floats are Yeah, it's like. 463 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: How all mazes or puzzles, but not all puzzles are amazing. 464 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: But in this case all no, right, exactly, got it? 465 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 5: So yeah, ties and uh, ascots are both cravats. But 466 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 5: just because it's a cravat doesn't mean it's a tie. 467 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: There you go love that, oh my god. 468 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 5: And ascot is formal necktie worn with a morning dress, 469 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 5: tied with a rudimentary knot, worn over the shirt and 470 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 5: secured with a pin. It says style of cravat that 471 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 5: is from bespoke unit. 472 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: Okay, it's the kind of thing you'd see a Dracula wearing. 473 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, and we're gonna quit while we're ahead. 474 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: Max with the facts. Okay, so we're back. We're uh, 475 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: we're reading. We're in the reading department. Dream job for 476 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: some people, nightmare job for others. And while we're reading, 477 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: we're on the lookout for the newest words. We see 478 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: Toronto slang, we do. We send it to our little database. 479 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: They do a little fact check, check out the prevalence 480 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: of the usage. 481 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: Right. 482 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: These editors spend a lot of time manually going through 483 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: this stuff, reading all published materials, checking the automated scans. 484 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: I guess of all of this stuff if they find 485 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: in databases, and I imagine online, because that's gosh, that's 486 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that's where most language is curated these days. 487 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 2: It would seem not most, but if you look at 488 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: we're going to get to it at the end. The 489 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: words of the year, so many of them in the 490 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: last handful of years have been almost entirely Internet related. 491 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 492 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: So, like you were saying, the editor that gets this 493 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: stuff from the database is going to go back toward 494 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: a specific word and say how long has it been 495 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: in use, how popular, how prevalent is this term. For 496 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: our buddies at Oxford, there's kind of a rule of thumb. 497 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Still a bit ad hoc. We call it the triple 498 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: five rule. To get into the dictionary, to be considered 499 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: for that helcy on space, your word has to be 500 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: in print five times in five different sources, over a 501 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: period of five years. Triple five rule. And Nola, I 502 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: love what you're pointing out, because pre social media that 503 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: was a high bar. But now post social media, that's 504 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: one weird day on Twitter or TikTok. 505 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 3: Oh. 506 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I mean words come and go as we're 507 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: going to get to, and now more than ever, because 508 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 2: not all words are slang. Of course, all slang our 509 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: words and inherent and the idea of slang is that 510 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: it's a bit of a flash in the pan, and 511 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: can't we just blast through those these days? 512 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Oxford in particular, I mean, all the major dictionaries, 513 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: they're doing their best not to be unc consciously repetitive. 514 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: So when you get a word, you're the you get 515 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: a word from your database, you're the editor. You say, oh, 516 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: it's in print five times. Oh it's from five different sources. Oh, 517 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: this has been going on for at least five years. 518 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: Your next step is to check something called the Oxford 519 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: English Corpus. This is another database it collects everything published 520 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: across the internet. We're talking like two point five billion 521 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: words of twenty first century English. 522 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: Of course, and that's always growing. So while specifics of 523 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: this process you can vary from case to case. There 524 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 2: are other dictionaries, of course, that do something very similar 525 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: as we've already described, like Merriam Webster has their methods, 526 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: Cambridge has their methods, et cetera. So this is where 527 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: you sometimes see. Look these dictionaries, especially now, they are 528 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: still kind of online publications and they're looking the make 529 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: some headlines. So when they picked that word of the year, 530 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a pr move. It's a 531 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: little bit of a like, we're the ones that are 532 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: defining the zeitgeist this time, you know, and you look 533 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: at the competing publication, let's call them, and you start 534 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: to see that I'm trying to kind of differentiate themselves. 535 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no kidding, men, And I want to lean 536 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: on you for your for your German acumen. Here. The 537 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: idea of word of the Year began in nineteen seventy 538 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: one in Germany and they called it. 539 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 2: Just means the year you nailed it though, yeah, thank you. 540 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: I just tried to get the accident as best I could. 541 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: It literally translates to word the year death means of 542 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: the more or less. 543 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: That's surprising that Germany doesn't have all of it condensed 544 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: into one crazy phrase. 545 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, they certainly do for a lot of concepts like 546 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: far Fagnugen and you know Bvangen Heights, bavouta Gong, Gavangen Heights, Bivoutigong, 547 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: which is one of my favorites, which is like a 548 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: collective guilt around the Holocaust. 549 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: That took a turn man. Sorry, it's a perfect example. 550 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,479 Speaker 3: It's perfect example, and it's my favorite one. So you know, 551 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 3: to my point earlier, I think a little bit you 552 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 3: can't really capture all the complexity of what happens in 553 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: the span of a year with a single word. But again, 554 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 3: it just goes to show the ways that all of 555 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 3: these various organizations are trying to kind of be the 556 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 3: one that gets it the closest. 557 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: And you are so right about the pr aspect, and 558 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: I would argue it's kind of like dendo chronology, folks, 559 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: stay tuned. 560 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: That means I think the study of tree rings. 561 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: That's the one, yes, of course, where you see history 562 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: writ large. If you ever want to be humbled. Folks, 563 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: go get the two uh the stump, Yes, get thee 564 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: to thy nearest stump. 565 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: Don't going down though, Look for one that's already been cut. 566 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: Figure out which year in the ring you were born at, 567 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: and then go to the current year. It's it's humbling 568 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: when you see, you know, like a redwood or or 569 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: something like that. And remember how long these conversations or 570 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: these lives continue. Similar to the English language, Look we 571 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: got let's say we got flargel in there. We're obviously 572 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: incredibly excited about our possibilities. We're waking up. We learn 573 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: one day that the word we created, like flargel or 574 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: schlop fizzo, I was on one with that one, or 575 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: doppel gangbanger, that's inappropriate. What whatever else you created more 576 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: of a pun or a portmanteau ieau. So now we're 577 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: we're in the OED, the Mirriam Webster, anything but urban dictionary. 578 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: We're riding high. We feel like Kanye West post late graduation. 579 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: You cannot tell me nothing back. 580 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 2: When he was still normal. 581 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: Ish ish back before we do him as well as 582 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: we do and what it was it? 583 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I'm not comparing Kanye to Hitler, although he 584 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 2: would do that himself. McDonald says about Hitler, the more 585 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 2: I learned about this guy, the more I don't like him. 586 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: Right, Norm Gosh, what a legend. 587 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 2: I okay. 588 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, And Noel, I think this is 589 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: what we were alluding to, a bit. You can't get 590 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: too big for your breeches. We have to remember that 591 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 1: thousands of new words and new use cases can make 592 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: it into a dictionary. But every year those same dictionaries 593 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: also are going to remove some words. 594 00:34:54,719 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: Like slop phizio and doppel gangbanger right right, or for example, 595 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 2: it sort of fell out of fashion, you know. 596 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like, come on, man. 597 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 2: But Ben, then you'll have a golden moment. And that 598 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 2: moment was nineteen ninety nine. 599 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: There it was. Yeah, Prince was all over the radio. 600 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: What a time. Miriam Webster has cut words in the past. 601 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: We've got some examples. Stern fore boast, oh dad, snolly goster. 602 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 2: That sounds like a Willy Wonker word. Uh, stylo podium. 603 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: Stylo podium makes sense? Right? 604 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 6: Is it is? Is it a type of lectern? It 605 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 6: must be? Where is it where you put a writing instrument? 606 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 6: It's no, snolly goster. It's definitely no stylo. 607 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: Podium might well be the little the little thing you 608 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 2: stick your pin in on the like, you know, the clipboard. 609 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: Right, let's see just context bluing it. Oh, we are 610 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: totally wrong. What it is an enlargement at the base 611 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: of the style of flowers in certain plants of the 612 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: Parsley family. 613 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 2: Boring, I know, I wonder, Yeah, no one was referring 614 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: to that part. It's just too specific. 615 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: No one was looking at a bunch of beautiful flowers 616 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: and going we should admire this stide of. 617 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 2: Podium maybe flower you know, scientists were, And that does 618 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: bring up a point. There are obviously words that are 619 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 2: considered like more jargon or very very very industry focused. 620 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 2: Do those make it into the dictionary or is there 621 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 2: like a separate list of like super niche industry specific 622 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 2: like science words and like you know, stuff evolving a 623 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: specific industry. And by the way, Ben, I completely concur 624 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 2: with what you've put here in this outline. We've got 625 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 2: to bring back ho Dad. Do we know what ho 626 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 2: Dad even meant? Acquiring minds? 627 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: Now we could do Dad, It's uh, it's your grandpa's dongle. 628 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 2: No, it's surf slang. 629 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: It's slang. It's someone who shows up to teach and 630 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: has a surfboard but never actually goes on. 631 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. Ho Dad specifically, and there's a it 632 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: looks like there's a well known surf shop also called Dad, 633 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 2: which is obviously it's pretty funny. 634 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: That reminds me of Google with trained kids. Anyway. Yeah, so, 635 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: uh we know, we know, folks, Max, if you could 636 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: give us, like a sad crowd sigh some words, do 637 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: you have to go? And that is okay because it 638 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: may sound cruel to throw these words out, but we 639 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: have to remember, uh nol. You and I have talked 640 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: about this a lot off air. English is a living language, right, 641 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: Communication is key, not fancy et cetera. English, and the 642 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: people who are speaking it, or any living language, they're 643 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: trying to figure out that old technology of communication. What 644 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: are the first three great games? And that means the 645 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: dictionaries arguably have to change with that conversation. 646 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: No doubt. And by the way, Hodad's was a small 647 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,959 Speaker 2: chain of burger joints in a Diego, not a surf shop. 648 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: Are they still open? 649 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 2: I think so? Yeah, established nineteen seventy three, A tasty burger. 650 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: We got to go get our tasty burgers. 651 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 2: Man, I love a California burger. I do too. They 652 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 2: are better. 653 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: So we can't leave you without a dope phrase. To 654 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: step two, here are as we've been teasy words of 655 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: the year from five major dictionaries across twenty twenty five. 656 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: And folks, we love Knowell's point there about how you 657 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: can see just like tree rings, you can see large 658 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: patterns of social change just through these phrases over time. 659 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you are occasionally going to get some doubles. 660 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 2: So we'll just go through these respectively, Dictionary dot Com, Mirriam, Webster, Collins, Oxford, 661 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 2: and Cambridge to try to just remember that order. We'll 662 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 2: probably discuss a little bit some specific ones. But from 663 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty if you can imagine pandemic pandemic lockdown. Oxford 664 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 2: didn't choose a word because I guess they thought everything 665 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 2: was too f well they could get to the office. 666 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 2: They threw their hands up. Cambridge went with quarantine to 667 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 2: pandemic pandemic lockdown. Quarantine. What a year. 668 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, go to twenty twenty one. We've got allyship vaccine 669 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: n ft VAX with it X and perseverits from our 670 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: fridge cabridge. 671 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 2: It's totally positive. Keep onwards and upwards. Cambridge twenty twenty two. 672 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 2: We've got woman, oh color dictionary dot com. That is hilarious. 673 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 2: Dictionary dot COM's got some kind of dumb ones. I'm sorry, 674 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm just saying, like every every year woman, Really, 675 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 2: I mean, that's weird. That's almost insulting a little. It 676 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 2: was there earlier. Yeah, we've been here for years. Don't 677 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,760 Speaker 2: call it a comeback gas lighting. Uh, it's twenty twenty 678 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 2: two kind of the year of me too. 679 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 3: Definitely, Okay, I guess so funny and reductive just to 680 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 3: have it be woman. The worst joke about that one, 681 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 3: by the way, is actually it's pronounced jazz. 682 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 2: Lighting rights, perma crisis. That's relatable goblin mode, I remember 683 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 2: that one. That's technically two words though at Oxford. I 684 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 2: guess you could make it a Onesie and Homer. 685 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's all. 686 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 2: These weird little outliers. That's from a Cambridge. I'll thrown 687 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: another curveball, but happened in twenty twenty three. This is 688 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 2: a very ai and starting to get into the brain 689 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 2: rot of it all. 690 00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Then we've got hallucinate Authentic AI RIZ and Cambridge 691 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: comes in swooping with dictionary dot com and they say 692 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: also hallucinate word. 693 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 2: Of the year, and that's of course referring to the 694 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 2: thing AI does when it just makes stuff. Up to 695 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, we've got demurror I had a moment, 696 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 2: polarization Brat which I love, Charlie XCX Forever brain Rot 697 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 2: from Oxford. That was the one that made for most News. 698 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 2: I think we definitely talked about that on the pod 699 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 2: something I Want You to Know, Strange News episode and 700 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 2: Manifest Cambridge. 701 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,760 Speaker 1: And then we get to twenty twenty five the most 702 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 1: recent year, dictionary dot com says six to seven. 703 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 3: Those are numbers, Dictionary dot com. Those are numbers six 704 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 3: dash seven, not even spelled out, They're just the numbers 705 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 3: with a dash. I don't I think that's absurd. We've 706 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 3: got slop that's weir webs. 707 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 5: It's just just mirrorm Webster saying what Dictionary dot com 708 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 5: where the year was. 709 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: Then we've got Collins with Vibe coding I know. 710 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 2: Age baits Parasocial which is very podcast centric. 711 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: And Cambridge that's that's courtesy of our friends at Cambridge. 712 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 2: Cambridge is a little more nuanced in their picks, wouldn't 713 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 2: you agree? 714 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: I would absolutely agree. 715 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 2: Like I think I like their takes the best in 716 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 2: a lot of ways. 717 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: Oh, come on, perseverance school behind. 718 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 2: I would love to see the data backing that one up. Though, 719 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 2: It's like, what contexts are people just throwing that word 720 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 2: around in twenty twenty one? 721 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: It's the word they wanted to bring to the masses. 722 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: To be honest, we also know that there are regular 723 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: pulls and rankings, very non scientific, very self reporting of 724 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: the quote unquote worst or most misliked words in English. 725 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: I think we all know a couple of characters from 726 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 1: this rogues gallery moist always phlegm. 727 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 2: Word of versions, right, phlam ointments. I would also argue ungwint, 728 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 2: which is a sister word ointment panties and slurp slurp, 729 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 2: I don't love you don't love slur But that would 730 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 2: be an automotopia describing the sound of sucking up you know, 731 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 2: stuff in your mouth right right. 732 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: And we talked a little bit off air with our 733 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: with our brother in arms Max about about favorite non 734 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: favorite words. You nailed it with word of version, Noel 735 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: do you have a favorite word? 736 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 2: Flargyl well doud? 737 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's it, folks, this is our show. 738 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for a very 739 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: meta episode where we use words to talk about words. 740 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: Good luck getting into the dictionary. Our last riddle for 741 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,760 Speaker 1: today is the following. Can you guess the most common 742 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: word in the English language? 743 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 2: It's probably an article I think we talked about. Is 744 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 2: it a or the ah? Did I get it? Am 745 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 2: my clothes? 746 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: You nailed it, man, It's the most common word in 747 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: the English language. You folks are just the best. Thank 748 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: you so much for hanging out with us. We cannot 749 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: wait to hang out with you more in the future. 750 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: Now you often hear us refer to a show called 751 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,919 Speaker 1: stuff they Don't Want you to Know, which we do 752 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: with our brothers in arms, Matt, Frederick and Dylan the 753 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: Tennessee pal Fagan. You can find us on Netflix. 754 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 2: It's crazy, it's true. We just started doing that in 755 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 2: the new year. Coming to a Netflix tab near you 756 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 2: look for podcasts. I think you can actually already go 757 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 2: and subscribe, sort of hit the little belt to get notification. 758 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, remind doing a new thing on Netflix. They're 759 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 2: trying to, you know, bring podcasts into the fold. So 760 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 2: we're doing and two of our weekly episodes the kind 761 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 2: of deep dive, topic driven episodes of soth the I 762 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 2: Don't Want You To Know as video as well that 763 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 2: you can find on Netflix coming very soon. 764 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: And big, big thanks of course to our super producer 765 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 1: mister Max Williams Margot, mister Max Flargel Williams perfect Hey, Max, 766 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: favorite non favorite word, what do you got? 767 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 5: My favorite non favorite word fair word? So before and 768 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 5: I think Noel wasn't on the call yet, but my 769 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 5: favorite word is Q because it is just it is 770 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,959 Speaker 5: just like the leftover parts of a word. They're like, ah, 771 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 5: we'll pretty just put a Q and a U and 772 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 5: then I don't know an E and then what else. 773 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,760 Speaker 2: That I can never remember how to spell correctly. 774 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 5: I think it's the only word in the English like 775 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 5: Q you e. 776 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, four straight follows, I know you nailed it. 777 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 5: One I have is bookkeeper because it is double o, 778 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 5: double kuble eublep. 779 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,879 Speaker 2: In a row. You know what? They say, the most 780 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,280 Speaker 2: beautiful word in the English languages, guys cellar door, Yeah, 781 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 2: Tony dark forever. 782 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,280 Speaker 1: This is just such a weird language. The English language 783 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: is spoken today is a non consensual game of piracy 784 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,879 Speaker 1: and improv And thank you for sailing the high linguistic. 785 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 2: Seas with us. 786 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: Big big thanks, of course to Jonathan Strickland, aka the 787 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: Twister of fellow etymology enthusiasts. 788 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 2: Long may he reign over his fiefdom of lies. 789 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: That was good, big thanks to doctor Rachel Big Spinach, Lance, 790 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: aj Bahamas, Jacobs, who. 791 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 2: Else rasiotis and Jeff co you're in spirit of course, 792 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 2: uh and you Ben what a great research doctor was. 793 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,240 Speaker 2: We'll be coming back soon with some more ridiculous history 794 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,439 Speaker 2: for all of you find people out there. We'll see 795 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 2: you next. 796 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 3: Epbox. 797 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 798 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.