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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh. There's

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Speaker 1: Chuck and Cherry's here, um, sitting again on behalf of

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Speaker 1: producer Dave, who actually produces these. So I guess she's

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Speaker 1: maybe in coaching on Dave's territory. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: But anyway, this short stuff, like I was saying about pie, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say that with Italian because it's Spanish.

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Speaker 1: That was close, Um, it's nearby. But the the fact is, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: you've just hit upon uh, an artifact of culinary history

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Speaker 1: that there used to be an extra I and pimento,

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Speaker 1: and everyone said, I don't like this here. I don't

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Speaker 1: like the way it looks, I don't like how it sounds.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting rid of it, and by god, we did,

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Speaker 1: and I don't like you. What do I gotta do

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Speaker 1: with it? I'm just a poor pimento farmer. I've has

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Speaker 1: been saying, pimiento, that's what I don't like. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: this is about pimento cheese, the the delicious, one of

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Speaker 1: the South, Yeah, for sure, but it's not actually from

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Speaker 1: the South, is it. No, it's started in New York,

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Speaker 1: they think. As a matter of fact, Yes, what indeed

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Speaker 1: chuck um around World War One? And even more what

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Speaker 1: than that pimento cheese for almost no resemblance whatsoever to

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Speaker 1: what we think of as pimento cheese today. It had

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Speaker 1: the pimentos, those pimento peppers from Spain that are much

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Speaker 1: to them, and they're worth putting in um mixed together

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Speaker 1: with um cream, cheese, mustard and some chives. That was

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Speaker 1: the original pimento cheese. And it doesn't that sound delicious?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it sounds very good. But apparently America

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Speaker 1: around World War One was just absolutely nuts for it.

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Speaker 1: Not just World War One. Apparently from about the nineteen

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Speaker 1: it was easily shipped. I think soldiers it was a

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Speaker 1: see it like that in a little green can, and

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, depending on what kind of mustard

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Speaker 1: But there are some kinds of Coleman's, some kinds of

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Speaker 1: brown mustard I will eat in other things, but not

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Speaker 1: just on its own. Have you had Coleman's yellow, fancy

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Speaker 1: It's just you know how Dukes is just somehow different

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Speaker 1: in all the best ways as far as mayonnaise goes.

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Speaker 1: Coleman's is just that way with yellow mustard. It's not

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Speaker 1: I generally don't like mustard at all, but I changeally

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just trying to turn you onto something

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Speaker 1: I think is going to change your life. That's all

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Speaker 1: like mustard. Just get yourself a little just a little bowl,

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Speaker 1: took pimento cheese and made it many times better. That's right.

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Speaker 1: and be right back. All right, So pimento cheese is

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Speaker 1: Georgia as a matter of fact, and said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I think we can grow these little peppers right here.

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Speaker 1: Can we have some seeds Spain. Yeah. In fact, Griffin,

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Speaker 1: Georgia became the pimento capital of the United States. It's right.

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Speaker 1: They got the seeds from the Spanish consulate in the

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Speaker 1: call it pimento cheese, but let's change absolutely everything else.

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Speaker 1: A It is a salty delight, chuck. Is it like

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Speaker 1: it's actually basically whipped chicken with a mild chunks in it. Still,

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Speaker 1: You just chicken spread on breader toast, plain breader toast

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Speaker 1: But it's really tasty, if not really really bad for you.

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Speaker 1: slightly to the left of the Vienna sausage, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: find the devil chicken spread. Blow the dust off of it.

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Speaker 1: It's so good, though, I mean it's tasty. It's not good.

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Speaker 1: and delicious and abundant. And that thing is mayonnaise. They

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Speaker 1: But that's the other big ingredients. So you've got pimentos, mayonnaise,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. They're all about tradition. But get this,

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Speaker 1: whoever named wife Saver Caterers? But um, he he couldn't

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Speaker 1: get the recipe from Nick Rangos. Nick Rango said, you

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Speaker 1: how to make it and figured out that there is

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Speaker 1: keeping that recipe secret too. So no one knows how

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Speaker 1: never had it. It's generally eaten cold, like you spread

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Speaker 1: pimento cheese instead of sliced cheese, that's delicious. It's also

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Speaker 1: Like you can eat it hot or warm. It's generally

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Speaker 1: It is good. It tastes totally different hot than it

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Speaker 1: the hot version of pimento cheese. It tastes like a

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Speaker 1: I don't find pimentos to have any heat. I need to,

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Speaker 1: I need to branch out. I need to grow some pimentos.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to do that. Go down to Griffin and

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Speaker 1: be like, hey, give me some pimentos. Yeah, you got

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Speaker 1: anything else? I got nothing else. Well that's it for

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