WEBVTT - Fire Drill 082: A Star is Born? 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.120 It's kind of a weird, weird problem to have. But 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.200 when you've made all the money you're gonna need for 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.120 the rest of your life, unless your grandchildren's life, then 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.120 what are you really left playing for? In other words, 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.680 the money is a great motivator, But if you've made 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.160 all the money, then all you really have left are 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.520 these titles. And of the titles, the only ones that 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:23.959 really matter to you are the majors. So then you 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.800 have all this outsized emotion attached to the majors. And 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:28.840 of course it's a killer. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:36.120 I got dats in my head. Can't get join not 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:41.960 the thing what I'm thinking about. He can't get them 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:46.080 out join not the thing well I'm thinking about. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.760 Hello, this is Alan Schipnaka. Welcome back to another Fire 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.440 Drill podcast. It is Sunday evening here at Los Angeles 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.200 Country Club. The one hundred and twenty third US Open 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.240 is in the books Michael Bamberger and I are straight 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:09.520 from the eighteenth Green watching a Star be born. That 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.319 is that proper English, a star was born. We have 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.600 a new star in Wyndham Clark. I mean what just 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.720 ballsy performance? He played great all week, all week and 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.680 especially today. I mean so many middle of the round, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.240 it looked like he was gonna lose it completely, and 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.160 he got up and down for you know, bogie after 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.959 making an absolute hash of the par five eighth hole, 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.959 a couple other great saves, and then hit the shot 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.600 of the week on the par five fourteenth, threaded that 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.000 three food in between those bunkers. That's about an eight 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.880 yard gap. You ran it up there for the two 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.240 putt birdie that ultimately gave him the cushion that got 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.720 him home. So, I mean, we were talking about this 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.960 the other day. Has definitely one of my favorite swings 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:58.760 in golf. He's only twenty eight, clearly ascendant. What do 0:01:58.800 --> 0:01:59.640 you like about this kid? 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:05.240 A strong as an ox, He's unpretentious, he's sea ball, 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.360 hit ball. Get better at golf from the little I 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.760 picked up on on YouTube. His swing has improved over 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.320 the years. I know he's a good college player, but 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.880 he's way better now. And this is definitely you know, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.520 I realize he's not a household name to people follow 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.680 golf casually, but he is not a one and done 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.480 by any means. This is not Jack Fleck. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.799 No, And I mean he's only a second tour win. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.240 But the last one was on a big league ballpark too. 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:35.400 Quail Hollow was a Major Championships sure, so, I mean 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.600 not a household name, but he's he's edging that direction. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:38.320 You know. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.160 There's always that moment kind of maybe I don't really 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.680 feel it right now, where oh, wouldn't have been so 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.760 great if Rory could win he you know, win a Major, 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.160 wouldn't have been especially so great, if Ricky Fowler could 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.760 have finally, you know, but Ricky Fowler is coming back. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.400 Rory is Rory. 0:02:55.040 --> 0:03:00.079 Uh uh, you know, Scotti Scheffer or Scotti Shaffer. He 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.800 can play bad in top five. Uh So you'd really 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:05.720 have to say that golf is in a very good place. 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.680 But I think the most significant thing for the casual 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.560 fan is to not be at any way dismissive of 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.240 this Wyndom Clark. You know, I guess he sort of 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.480 comes out of the Steve Jones tradition, who is a 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.399 really fine player, not flashy, not charismatic, but a really 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.560 fine player. And we would have heard more from from 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.400 Steve Jones. Was not for injury. Just looking at this 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.320 guy's physic and only goes about his business. There's no 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.239 you can never predict injury. But he doesn't look like 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.080 somebody is going to go south anytime soon. 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.240 That that's all very well said. I mean, I think 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.720 he's he just seems like a sort of a self contained, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:45.040 compact player, you know, it doesn't have huge entourage, and 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.800 and there's that throwback feel, like you said, he keeps 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.800 it simple. The golf swing is simple, his approach is simple. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.840 And those it's like Scotti Seffler, honestly like those are 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.360 the guys they pretty much just keep going. And I 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.440 mean anytime he went and open, anytime a major, especially 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.760 as a youngest player, like your life is going to change. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.520 But I can see Clark just being one of those 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.520 guys who's like instead of getting lost in the sauce 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.960 and distracted, like you can be a star just by 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.760 what you do on the golf course. You can make 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.680 generational wealth just by what you do on the golf course. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.160 You don't have to chase all the other things. You 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.560 don't have to try and be somebody or not. As 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.719 far as I know, he has no social media presence. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.000 I've never come across it anyway, And he just seems 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:30.919 like like a focused dude who is going to maximize 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.839 his considerable talent. So that's kind of fun. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:37.479 Yeah, you know, it's something about majors. We spend so 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.719 much time, and now more than ever in the build 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.960 up talking about people that we already know a lot about. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.680 We never wo Ben Curtis, who possibly would have been 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.520 talking about Ben Curtis, or Steve Jones or Scott Simpson 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.000 or Larry Nelson. I mean, when Larry Nelson went his 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.760 first one. After that, Larry Nelson was Larry Nelson. But 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.360 that's the nature of majors for anybody. I guess it's 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.520 a little bit of talk to anybody who feels sort 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.000 of quote let down by this major, by this championship, 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.000 don't because that's sort of the beauty of nature's you know. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:09.599 I mean, as you know, Mike Donald was a great 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.720 friend of mine. Now Mike was playing great going in 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.920 the US, but nobody expected Mike to be eat tied 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:16.800 with Hiler I went at the end of seven Q holes. 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.000 But that's what happens in major championship playing. It's part 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.240 of the greatness of the game. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:26.200 Actually, I mean, that's beautifully said. And you know, the 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.800 bottom line is Wyndam Clark got it done. He made 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.680 the putts he had to make. He hit the shots 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.360 he had to hit. He got himself out of trouble. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.200 Like you know, Ricky Fowler, it always felt like it 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:39.720 was going to be too soon for him. I mean, 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.680 this is he's a work in progress still and to 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.120 tiptoe back from the abyss it felt like it wasn't 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:47.760 going to be his time. But you know, Ricky Folllers 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.000 shot seventy five today and made a bunch of bogies. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.720 Yeah, and just pointed one in the last Yeah, he's 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.400 got a I mean, this is such a cliche, but 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.880 from where he was, you know, is Mentionella noted earlier today, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.440 you know, not even in the field last year's US Open, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.880 but still game enough to show up there and see 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.400 if Cougie had in waiting on the range all day. 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.640 I mean, that's the kind of grit it takes, and 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.640 that we didn't always know that, We didn't always know 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.240 that Rory had does It looked like, excuse me, Ricky Hacks. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.839 It looked like things came so easily to him. But 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.840 he does have it, and he's shown it. And you 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.400 can't in mid career make the significant changes he made. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.839 Parting with the Caddy that you're really close to going 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.799 back to Butch Harmon saying, you know, whatever they said, 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.080 but basically I should have never left in the first place, 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:37.039 and so he's got to feel he really should feel great. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.719 Yeah, I mean for him, this is a building block 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.560 that you'd have to say this week as a success 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:46.039 without a doubt. To everyone else on the board other 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.080 than Wyndam Clarket, it's hard to feel that great about 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.160 I mean, Harris English, he hadn't sniffed too many majors, 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.240 so okay, maybe he can build on this. Yeah, you know, 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.200 I don't know him, you know, I mean twenty nine yesterday, 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.600 he's finished his eighth. But I mean, you go down 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.720 the board. We got to talk about Rory because, weirdly, 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.320 even though he was only one shot back at various 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.960 times throughout this round, it never felt like he was 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.640 going to do it. It just never felt like he 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.880 was going to do it. No, even though he was 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.640 playing on some level perfect you best open golf. I mean, 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.760 he made what eleven pars in a row in the 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.240 middle of his round after birding the first like that 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.920 is off. That's how you he seems fall into your lap. 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.480 It often feels like he gets the absolute least out 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.400 of his rounds. I mean it was just two putt 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.160 after two putt after two put They got him a 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.720 birdie on the first hole. Okay, did what he had 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.560 to do. But after that he didn't nothing. He never 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.760 made another birdie and it was just it felt defensive. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.480 And you know what happened on the fourteenth hole. Did 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.000 you get to see that in person when you're out 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.680 there walking? No? I actually couldn't see it from where 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.440 I was because he was on the other side of fifteen. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.880 This is kind of Rory's last decade in a nutshell, 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.480 it's a he's one of the greatest drivers of the 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.000 golf ball in the history of the sport. He's in 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:09.160 the thick of the United States Open. He nukes his 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.040 drive into the rough like way left miss is a 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.679 faerry by fifteen yards on TV. You know John Wood, 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.840 who's a former caddy and various stute observers, so I 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.560 think he could go for it with this lie. Rory 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.760 elected to lay up. Okay, fine, he's got a wedge in. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.240 He dumps it in the bunker like from the middle 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.720 of the ferry, from a perfect lie, from a perfect distance, 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.840 and it's just the worst swing of the day by 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.760 any contender. And then it embeds, so they give him 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.840 a free drop, which is the break of the tournament. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.360 Now he's got a nice lie in the bunker, he's 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.400 got a chance to hold it. He's certainly gonna make par. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.880 But he hits a mediocre shot and then he misses 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:52.560 like a nine footer makes a six. I mean it, 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.600 it's so exasperating, Like it's exasperating for you Alan imagine 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:57.560 when it's like for Rory. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.760 But really, I mean Saint Andrew's Canadian Open, US Open. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.640 Those are three of the biggest titles in this game. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.280 You know, people forget what a big title is. People, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.040 if you're Roy Mountroy, if you're Tiger Woods, if you're 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.360 anybody in the game, you'd like to have a Canadian 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.439 Open And to not get it done three times the 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.440 name of the game. To be a superstar, you really, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.199 really really want to be a superstar. You got to 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.640 get it done. And he actually is not. And I 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.640 mean shocking to think, what is it now in twenty fourteen, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:30.600 since he's won a major. 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.000 It's a long time, whole decade. Yeah, it was interesting 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.040 because you know, I understand Rory's emotional fatigue. I mean, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.720 his buddy Jimmy Dunn and Jaymon Ant like tore open 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.680 his chest cavity, ripped out his heart, stamped it on 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:50.760 the floor, Like what this turnabout with with the live 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.960 public investment fud Merger like that, that's a body blow. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.640 And I understand why he ran out of gas in Canada, 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.640 and he was very dude. He was very flat this week. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.920 And you know, the last couple of days he didn't 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.160 talk to the media on Thursday at all. He may 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.040 not have been drug tested, which is you know, that'd 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.000 be bad luck whatever. But the last two days, five 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.800 questions and four questions, that's all he did. It was 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.040 like short answers, answers, no emotion. It was kind of 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.240 like old school Tiger, like give you nothing other than 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.560 I have to show up. I'll fulfill my obligations. And 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.440 I get it, like he's been battered and scarred emotionally 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.960 through all of this, and he's talked so much. He's 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.679 put himself on the line, Like I understand why he's gunshi, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:37.160 But at the same time, by retreating into that shell, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.800 he's going against his fundamental nature, which is to be gregarious, 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.760 to be open, to be giving, and I don't think 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.280 it serves Rory well to try and turn into Ben Hogan, right, 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.440 Like that's just not who he is. And hopefully this 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.679 is just a little phase he's going through because it's 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.040 been such a rollercoaster emotionally, but this is he could 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.600 be seriously damaged by the way this has played out 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.839 and disillusions and add that decade long streak of all 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.800 these near misses and all these heartbreaks. Like I'm not 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.400 suggesting Rory's going to retire tonight, but it just feels 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:16.360 like he's at a real crossroads here, and uh, it 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.840 was painful to see. And then even after all those 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.240 cock ups, it's like Clark makes back to back bogies, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:28.720 Rory actually guts a really important, say six footer on sixteen. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.440 So now he's one back and he goes to seventeenth hole, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.800 which is a long toughel and he hooks his drive 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.800 like fifty yards left into the wrong fairway. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.280 You know, I'm curious about that. I was, I was 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.439 on the golf course. I actually was right on the chae. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.280 I thought he was good. That did that? Willfully? 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:43.280 Did they say on TV? 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:43.959 It was a mistaken. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.160 I don't think so, because the way that green is cantied, 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.240 he has no worry. You got to get drawshot in there, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.320 and you can't get it no angle, there's no cutch. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.920 He right the flag beautles, and of course it ran 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:56.520 over the green because it was no angle. Yeah, it 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.120 would make no sense strategically. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.240 I don't know. He looked totally contempt to pick it 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.920 up that tea, So I really couldn't tell but two. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.040 But I would like to know the answer to that, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:07.040 or does. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:09.040 I didn't Well, I didn't. I didn't you know you 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:10.520 and I ran in here to pod so I haven't 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.120 heard his comments. If he says he meant to do, 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:13.839 I don't believe it, because it could have gotten caught 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.719 up in the trees and on a firm green, there 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:21.000 was needing a birdie at some point, probably to catch Clark. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:23.559 It's not the right play. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.800 You would actually have a better chance of making a 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.560 three from the front bunker than you would from holding 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:29.640 it in where he was. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.680 You played it on the right side of the correct fairway. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.240 You can sling a draw in there and feed the 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.200 ball back to that flag. Strategically would make no sense. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:37.760 So yeah, you could hit a cut shot from the 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.080 right side of that fairwe with that hook wind, hit 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.080 a cut shot into it, hold it and maybe have 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.199 a chance. It's just like that was a curious play. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.120 I'd like to know what was going on there. But 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:50.560 literally the bounce in his step is gone. Yeah, that 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.840 was like that was his trademark. And I remember Jeff 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.840 Olily commenting on that when he was a rookie. He's like, yeah, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.920 that that bouncing that step is a real thing. People 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.040 pick up on it, and he picks up on it, 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.560 and it can be a halp. You know, it's no 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.080 way to calculate it, but you could call it a 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.000 half shot over the course of four days whatever whatever 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:07.480 it is. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:11.840 So yeah, like a being right, it was just something. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.040 There was a joy to it. And I get it, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.280 like he's been kicked around so much by not by 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.199 the game, just by the majors. Even he's still winning 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.400 tons of tournaments, He's winning FedEx Cups and Race to 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:29.280 Dubai's and like it's like he can't finished or he 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.680 can't produce. It's just he can't do it when it 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.280 matters most here And like the last writer cut up 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.000 and it's just like it. It's there's a there's a 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.200 there's a fragility there, and we just see it when 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.320 the stakes go this high. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.600 There's it's kind of a weird, weird problem to have. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.040 But when you've made all the money you're gonna need 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.520 for the rest of your life, unless your grandchildren's life, 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.240 then what are you really left playing for? In others, 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.360 the money is a great motivator, you know, for us, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:01.120 for anybody in life, for plumber. But if you've made 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.600 all the money, then all you really have left are 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.960 these titles. And of the titles, the only ones that 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.360 really matter to you are the majors. So then you 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.280 have all this outsized emotion attached to the majors, And 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.920 of course it's a killer unless you're Tiger, you know, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.040 and you've got just the mentality of all mentalities. So 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.120 he's got to be you know, he's a big reader. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.320 He's a teleguy, working with Brad on the putting free up, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.080 free up this, that Jimmy Dunn hang out, hang out, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.080 place them and oh blah blah blah. But I don't 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.840 know what it's really adding up to in terms of 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.920 the most important thing in his professional life. Now, if 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.240 he's lucky. He seems lucky. He's got a great wife 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.560 and a great young daughter and you know, and is 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.600 happy and contented. But of course professional golf means so 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:51.560 much to him. It's it's it's perplexing. We can see 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.280 it weighing on him. Yeah, you know, Mac Barnhard's made 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.760 this point. No one's ever played better after pouring their 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.200 heart and soul into poor politics than they did before. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:03.240 Maybe it's happened to get him, not not often. And uh, 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.600 you know, at some level this is weird to say. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.200 And you tell me what you think. When the players 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:16.240 allowed themselves to become political people in their own profession, 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.160 it can be dehumanizing because at the end of the day, 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:26.240 they have a very singular talent, but it doesn't really 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.320 translate to understanding the world at large. I think that 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.160 it does, but it really doesn't. Like an agent told 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.640 me this week, if they were really smart, they would 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.680 just turn it over to Ed Hurley, just at Hurley 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:42.720 multist done. Yeah, it's not their mentality, it's not anybody's 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.040 mentality to do that. But somebody be said for it. 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.400 I mean, who's the biggest OAF in professional golf? It's 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.680 Grayson Murray. We all know that poor Rory here has 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.280 been fighting for the tour for a year. He's at 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.880 this player meeting Kada and Grayson Murray tells Rory fuck off. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.240 It does not get more thankless than that. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.360 Yeah, but I didn't really believe that story because I 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.400 don't think Worry would be rude enough to say that. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:08.840 Was this where Rory said, play better? 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:09.320 Yeah? 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.000 Is that songing Rory macrdy. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.640 Well that's the whole point. I mean, Rory's had a 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.120 little bit of an edge in some of these meetings 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.760 because he also said, and this is I'm stealing tough 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.600 on my book now, Like in one of these board meetings, 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.160 no one pays money to watch Peter mal Naughty play golf. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.160 You know Peter mal Naughty is is now a board 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.440 member and he's won once in his whole career. And 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:34.520 I think there's an exasperation now. I think Rory's clearly frustrated. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.920 That was that was why he would lash out. Also, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.960 Grayson was like talking a lot and being a total 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.080 idiot in this meeting, and Roy had had enough and 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.920 he actually was defending Jay Monahan. But the point is, 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.320 like Rory doesn't need that he does not need Grayson 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.640 Murray of all people like drop an f bombs on him, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.320 and that that's a position to put himself in, and 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:55.880 it's gotta be so disillusioning. 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:00.720 And I don't know, you know, there's ative strength in 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.359 the Peter Palm Peecher mal Nazis. And this is really 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.000 the whole point of live golf versus the PGA Tour 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:08.720 or what used to be the PJ Tour. We don't 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.240 know what it'll be next year. That collectively, Tiger's got to 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:13.720 beat all those guys, worries got to be all this 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.720 John John Rahman and by the way, prior to this week, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.000 Wyndam Clark was one of those guys, you know. But 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.720 it's really the collective strength of all these good players 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.879 and then beating the collective straint that makes you a 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.480 start in the first place. Otherwise you just really do 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:33.119 have a glorified all star tour, which to me is 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.320 what what live golf is. But as you point out 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.200 many times, the PJ Tour is now following the model. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.320 I got to ask you a question about this live 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.080 tour because I've asked various people this. I asked Walter 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.919 Driver this question today, I've asked agents this question wise, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:51.080 old golf people, what are the Saudis investing in? 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.159 Well, they are, They're not investing in live golf. They 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.320 are Live golf is going to remain this parallel entity 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.000 for as long as y'all all over my and wants 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.840 it to. But they are investing in this new company 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.720 that's going to try and find new opportunities. And you know, 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:14.200 Monahan talked about sports betting, talked about the TPC network 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:18.439 and real estate, talked about the proprietary data, and so 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.320 the whole point is to try and find new revenue streams. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.959 I mean, they're also investing in the tournament and therefore 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.600 getting access to all of these blue chip sponsors. You know, 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.320 there's always been certain number of companies that wouldn't do 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.080 business with the saudiast or felt squeamish about it. Now 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.639 they have the official stamp of approval. They bought the 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.800 approval of the PGA Tour and therefore Corporate America. So 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.720 now if you're the CEO at you know, pick a 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:47.960 tour title sponsor and there's there's now Yaser and his 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.680 people have access to this guy and vice versa, and 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.920 so they're they're investing in new industries, They're investing in 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:59.520 new new initiatives we can't even imagine yet. They're also 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.960 you know, they also get the goodwill and the name 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.320 recognition of being a tour sponsor and being very visible. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.320 And you're probably going to see a lot of guys 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.359 on the Peachytort wearing Golf Saudi logos, and you're going 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.679 to see public investments fund signage at tournaments and it 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:19.000 just becomes this normalizing thing that person has been paying 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.119 close attention to this. It's like, oh, okay, so how 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:22.960 do you guys are cool? I mean, look, they're sponsored 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.480 my favorite tournament and the beer prices went from six 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.359 dollars to three dollars, and you know, my favorite players 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.960 were wearing their logo, so that I like those guys. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.280 That so what they're investing in, I mean, part of 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.560 its public relations. But you know, Yaser said in that 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.240 in that interview i'd see in with Monahan, it's his 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.520 only public statements. He's like, we don't we don't do charity. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.000 I'm paraphrasing. He said, we want things to be self 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.720 sustaining and profitable, and we see a path to profitability here. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.000 I mean, the Public Investment Fund is now worth over 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.480 seven hundred million dollars. The goal is to get to 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.600 a trillion by twenty twenty five. Yasser's boss, who's very 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.159 exact being and demanding, he wants the fund to be 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.840 at three billion, at three trillion in twenty and thirty 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.880 three trillion dollars. And so you don't you don't get 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:13.080 that by doing expensive pr campaigns like they they have 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.400 a they have a mandate here to make money, and 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:21.320 they see opportunities, so you know you can. It obviously 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.439 becomes a vehicle for I mean, why does AT and 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.320 T sponsor the Pebble Beach Tournament so they can create 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.399 all these relationships, they can host all their VIPs, they 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.800 can The business that comes out of that week is 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.080 worth the twelve million dollars they put into the purse. 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.040 And it's not about having their name. It's about the 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.560 relationships and the access and all that. And so that's 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.000 part of what the PIFF is paying for. And now 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.119 they have access to the entire PGA, to a roster 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:46.480 of it. 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.880 Could that PIFF money actually wind up in t or purses. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.960 Or yeah it could, Oh yeah, definitely, I mean that's 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:56.840 going to have to, because that's the whole reason that's 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.440 happened is Monahan wrote a bunch of checks he can't cast. 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.439 You know, he promised the player's twenty million dollar elevated evans, 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:06.800 He promised him player impacts money and the tours, and 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.800 he was asking, he was squeezing the sponsors for more 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:10.920 and more money, and they're like, we're out. It doesn't 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.400 even it doesn't even pencil out for us at nine 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:15.879 million dollars. Now you wants to pay twenty and so 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.160 it's a win for the sponsors. They can just pay 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.040 the old rate. The public Investment Fund can bridge the gap, 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.680 the players can get paid. Monahan's not gonna have a 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.359 rebellion on his hands. So it's a great deal from 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.919 the tour and that the only thing that costs was 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:34.159 Monahan's soul. That's it. They they secured hundreds of millions 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.800 of dollars of free money and the only thing that 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.360 it costs was Monahan's reputation. It was a good deal 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:39.840 for the tour. 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:41.720 Do you think this would be a significant thing if 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:47.280 they wanted to develop a a golf tourist industry? Oh yeah, 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.159 And now, but now you're literally going to put the 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.560 PJ tourist stamp with you know, Payne Stewart's swing or 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.880 whoever swing that is in follow through, and then that's 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.639 going to create the message to the world that. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.000 Yes, I mean I get into all this in the book, 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.240 I mean one of the thirteen and we're getting we're 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:05.919 going we'll get back to us open. Don't worry. But 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:11.080 the you know NBS has staked his whole reign on 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:15.439 this vision twenty thirty. There's thirteen pillars, thirteen sectors that 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.720 they want to grow, and tourism is one of them. 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:19.800 In sports is one of them, and golf combines both 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:26.159 and so yeah, you're gonna have TPC read and that 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:31.080 becomes a way to draw golf tourists and right. 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.000 They're going crazy football. 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:35.399 Yeah, and you want to get you want to you 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.480 want to get Marriott to come in to build all 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.320 the resorts and invest in it. You want to get 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:41.480 you want to get Hurts, you want to get four 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:46.800 seasons like the you know, Windom, like all these these companies, 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.000 these in the tourism sector that have long relationships with 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.640 the tour Now the Saudi's have them too, So that's 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:53.040 a big part of what they're paying. 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:57.040 For as Wyndam Clark traded off his given name in 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:57.680 any way. 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:01.360 I'm sure by tonight the deal get signed. But when 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.080 we go back to this US Open leaderboard, I mean 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:07.080 we got to talk about Scotti Scheffler, like he just 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:09.120 he falls out of bed and finish his third. Now 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.840 it's incredible level he's playing at. I don't know how 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.000 many six and eight footers he missed this week, but it. 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:16.760 Was He's actually got to be kicking himself. 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:21.200 Oh yeah, only three backs, Yeah, I mean, seventy was 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:25.480 the worst he could have shot today. But it's interesting 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:29.160 because his putting is now becoming a thing, and now 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.560 it's now he's gonna have to talk about it and 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.800 answer questions about it. You know, it's not just a 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:36.399 week or two now, he's now he's turned into a 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.360 bad putter, and so anything holding him back from winning majors. 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:43.440 So yeah, gets in your head and people talk about it, 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.240 and the fans there's energy. Every time he misses a 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:48.840 six footer, there's that whistling and buzzing like, oh not again. 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.720 And now all the brad Faxtes of the world and 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:53.440 be up in his business trying to give him tips 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.280 and that's no place you want to be. I mean 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.480 that that was Sergio Garcia. There's a lot of great 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:03.560 players who couldn't putt and it it's it's a total 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:04.080 mind fuck. 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.840 Well yeah, no, he hits it great, but with a 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:13.400 funky move. So those two things in combination. But from 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:14.960 from what I've heard of the guy, when I've been 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.240 around the guy, he doesn't seem like someone is going 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.800 to be put off to it. You know, if they're 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.000 dissing his putting on Golf channel, do you think Scotti 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:22.840 Scheffer is going to care? 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.160 Not really. He definitely has a lot of dustin in him, 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.320 which is a compliment, you know, that ability to just 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:30.399 let it all go and just focus on what matters, 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.280 which is the next shot. But I mean he knows 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.920 internally he's putting bad and he's missing I don't know, 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.360 so you know it's a thing. 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.800 Yeah, Well, let me ask you this if I may, 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.359 what'd you think the La Country Club North Course? 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.240 I think I would love to go play it tomorrow 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.800 and every day after I played tonight. You know, we 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:52.600 got about an hour and a half a daylight. Michael, 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:55.240 I meant, I wouldn't want to be a member of 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.239 the club. Like I hate clubs like this that are 0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.919 so up uptight and stuffy, but I would love to 0:24:59.920 --> 0:25:04.120 be a permanent guest. But I think it's incredibly fun 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:08.360 golf course. We saw so many cool shots and there's 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.920 no question the USJA was timid on the setup the 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.679 first two days. And you know, Wyndam Clark was one 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.119 under on the weekend, Rory was one under on the weekend, 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.080 Scheffler was two under. You know, those are your top 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.280 three guys. Like it played really exactly how you want 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.320 to US Open to play on the weekend. The first 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:26.760 two days it was it was a little soft and 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:30.560 vulnerable and the scores went really low. But you know, 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.720 look at look at Xander. I mean he was five 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:38.320 over the last three rounds. Ricky was three over the 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.760 last three rounds. So it's it was a great test. 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.160 I understand, you know, they never had an event here. 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.560 I understand why the usg was a little cautious, but 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:52.760 that definitely affected perception, like it was too wide in spot. 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:54.320 So you and I were when we're walking back into 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:56.440 this podcast, we still on the tenth tee. I mean 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.520 you said it looks like sheep rand I mean it's 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.119 the widest fairway in the world. Guys are driving at 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:03.280 three eighty and just having a wedge in, Like, where's 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:04.560 the challenge there? I mean, they put the pin in 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.760 some tough spots, but when the greens weren't super firm 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.120 like today, it was accessible and there was a lot 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:14.199 of holes like that. So yeah, wide fairways can be 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.000 cool and provide a lot of different strategic elements. But 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.040 this is the US Open, and we want part to 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.080 be an absolute premium And I'm not obsessed with part, 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:25.680 but I think it's kind of fun and this one 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:30.439 week where guys are pushed to the limits and to 0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.240 the breaking point, and that there's danger on every swing 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.920 that you know, if you hook your drive ten yards 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:37.959 and you're in the rough, you're probably gonna make a bogie. 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.480 Like that's the tension starts before you even put the 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:42.440 tea in the ground, and then if you do hit 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.600 it into the rough, then it us a battle all 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:46.399 the way through here. You could spray the ball in 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:47.840 a lot of the holes and you were still fine. 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:51.440 And so it just it just didn't have that oppressiveness 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:52.000 that you want. 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:54.360 It really makes no sense to set up a golf 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:56.480 course this way for US Open, because this is an 0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:00.440 organization that's desperate to dial back the ball. The single 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:02.639 most effective way for right now to dial back the 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:04.680 ball at this level of play. You used to take 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.960 driver out of the hands, so then we can drive 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.240 out of the hands. Has given a really narrow fairway. 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.159 So for eighteen, for anybody today with the breeze in 0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:14.720 your face, to be able to step up there and 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.679 hit a hard slice into the wind. You know, I 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:19.600 understand I didn't see it, but I said where to 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.760 finished Whendam Clark's shot on eighteen everyone was bad, Well, 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.199 it was fine by the time it settled. You know. 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.320 It must have been that second shot a little bit 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.639 came up short. But the point is, you know, my 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.400 friend Mike Donald made this point eighteen and we saw 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.400 out a wingfoot. We've seen it almost every US Open. Eighteen. 0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:40.720 You should be sweating bullets trying to drive from the fairway. 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:42.840 Just try to find a place. And there's really no 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:48.520 challenge in inning eighteen, ten, eight, numerous other fairways. You know, 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:52.680 the fifteenth it was cute, not really, you know, it's 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.520 not pebble. You know, I don't know when I just 0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:58.600 have one hundred and forty yard part three, but it 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:00.880 was a little too much. I don't I don't mind 0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.359 experimenting and trying stuff, and I love the you know, 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.399 the risk ward part for short part fours that's neat. 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.240 But just yeah, when you say too timid, I think 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.119 that's exactly the right word. It's like the USGA is 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.600 kind of afraid to really take the reins here. And 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:17.280 even with the ball. We heard it in the USJA 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:18.879 press conference. I said, do you know we're going to 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.280 rain back this ball? Well, really, even what you're saying, 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.520 if you could get it, is not really raining back. 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.720 The ball five nothing, It's a nothing. 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:31.600 It's actually it's close to nothing. So I don't know. 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.520 It didn't feel I think between rivi Era and La 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.520 Country Club North, I mean v is rev it's great. 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:40.200 If I could only play one of the two courses, 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.520 I'd rather play here now, as you say, change your 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:45.240 shoes in the car park and go to the first day. 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:46.920 That'd be fine. By the way I have played it once. 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.959 Have you ever put it? It was a fantastic experience 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.240 at it Frida egg sandwich at the Turn years ago 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.280 with avocado, very thin, soft, like one of the best 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.360 sandwiches certainly the best sandwich you ever had to turn 0:28:58.400 --> 0:28:58.680 them up. 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.040 I mean it's really everything I do. 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:03.440 They do well here. It's not you know, your style 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:08.120 or my style, but Riviera. It seems to me like 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.000 a US Open course. I'd be shocked if there's not 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.080 a another US Open Riviera before. 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:13.040 To know. 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.360 I mean, they're already committed to coming back here and uh, 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:21.680 you know, sixteen years what here's it? Twenty nine thirty nine? Why? 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:22.520 I just hope? 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.440 Why are you making these crazy long term commitments? I 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:29.480 mean my philosphe in life now is commit to as 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:33.280 little as you possibly can. Well, we're going out of 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:34.720 the way to commit to things they don't have to 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:35.160 commit to. 0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:38.320 I know it's true. The listener should know that. Michael 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.760 often just books a one way flight and I'll say, 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:43.400 how are you when you when you fly out, He's like, 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:45.200 I don't know. This is like on the day after 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.080 the tournament and he just wings it. So yeah, you're 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:49.920 you're you're true to your words. 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:54.120 Well, why why is usual doing this? Do they think 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.720 they're going to start selling tickets for Mary twenty fifty 0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.600 one now or twenty fifty whenever it is? 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:03.360 I think I think think it's just a negotiation. L A. C. C. Said, Well, 0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:04.680 if we're gonna go through all this trouble, we want 0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:06.880 to US opens, not just one. We don't want to 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:09.080 be a one off. And so like, okay, fine, we'll 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:10.560 give you, We'll give you this one, and we'll just 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.040 put one way out there. We'd have to think about 0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:16.880 for a while. It'll be interesting, I'm sure that. I mean, 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:18.880 it's one of my favorite subplots is the pride of 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.240 the members is always damaged when when at the open 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.560 and in the part of memberships at Shinna Kock, membership 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.440 at Shinnecock kills be like, we don't know about this. Yeah, 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.640 that's a long time to recover. And and so I'm 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:36.000 sure there's there's a lot of bitter, you know, white 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.800 shoe lawyers running around the clubhouse, raging against the USGA. 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:44.080 I would be curious what kind of philosophy's changed for 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:48.160 the next setup if if everyone's having buyers remorse and 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:53.000 because this was not a the winning score does a matter. 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:54.760 It was just a sense it didn't feel like a 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.120 US Open. And part of that was the crowds. It's 0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:58.320 been talked about a lot. We don't have to go 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:02.440 deep on it, but it just it just didn't didn't 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.600 have the electricity you want. It was a nice crowd 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:06.560 there on eighteen, but that was only because of the 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.040 buildout down the first fairway. 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.720 And I wonder if it might be sellers for remorse. 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:13.640 I wonder if I wonder if the Country Club was 0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:15.760 going to be, like you say, buyer's remorse. Did you 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:16.680 mean the USGA. 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.040 I kind of meant they're both. They're they're essentially both 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.600 buyers and sellers in this transaction. And yeah, I kind 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:23.200 of meant both. 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.080 You're right, but I could imagine I mean, I don't 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.200 know the membership. I really don't know this club at all, 0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.560 but I could imagine the club saying it was nice, 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.520 but we don't need it again. You know, you're giving 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.680 up a lot, you're giving up your south course that 0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:39.120 speed up parking and all the rest. It's kind of 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.640 it's not like Marion where it's so much part. It 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.800 should the tradition have these USJA competitions, and especially us 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.720 opens like they can have other competitions here that aren't 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:49.560 so demanding. 0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:53.280 And it's all subject to reevaluation. And I agree twenty 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.360 and thirty nine could wind up at Chambers Bay or 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:55.920 Aaron Eils. 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.000 You see, Chambers Bay could be much improved. Reason why 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.800 I couldn't cool. But it's a beautiful piece of land. 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.719 Yeah, yeah, it's probably in some ways Wyndham Clark was 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:10.040 the right winner for it just kind of fits like 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.600 like a good but not a great winner. A from 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.560 the popular perception. Did he earned it? He played lights 0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:18.960 out all credits Wyndham Clark. But the casual fans are 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.600 going to kind of be like, I wish we had Rory, 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:25.440 I wish we had Ricky, and it just I guess 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:29.600 it seems sort of fitting somehow, like he was the 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.040 right man at the right time. And I don't I 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:33.960 don't mean that disparagingly, Like he hit the shots, he 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.600 won the tournament, but it's not going to be remembered 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:41.320 as a transcend it open. You know, if Rory had 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.400 won this and then went on to win six more 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:45.560 like this would have been in the timeline of his 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.600 career and e golf. It would have been deeply impactful. 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:50.840 And if Ricky had won, it would have it would 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:52.240 have been larger than life. The would have been thirty 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.720 guys on the green to mob him, you know, and. 0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.959 So did you feel what a wait, what was your 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.320 impression of that moment? We were watching Ricky just standing 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:05.760 on that putting grun standing on that agent green waiting. 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.120 Yeah, that was that was cool. I don't know if 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:12.080 the cameras caught this. So Clark taps in winds the open, 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.560 celebrates lustily as he should, lots of hugs, lots of kisses, 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:18.600 and Rory just throw on the back of the green 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:23.880 it still as a statue, just the picture of dignity. 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:26.880 And if you say, did you said Rory or Ricky? 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.040 Oh I met Ricky and I say, or I'm not sure, 0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:31.000 but Ricky it was Ricky. My yeah, if I said Rory, 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.840 I met Ricky And and it was just neat. It 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.240 was just it was like it was the right thing 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.560 to do. He wasn't pouting, he wasn't moping. I mean, 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.760 he just played a mediocre around and lost the US Open, 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.960 and and he was totally cool about it, and and 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:47.960 we had a great look at it. It was just 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:50.960 it felt right in the moment. 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.320 And what does feel right? And so much doesn't kind 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:56.160 of feel right in golf right now. It was just 0:33:56.280 --> 0:34:00.120 nice to see do you feel, you know, as a 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:03.640 golf fan, do you feel any lived PGA Tour divide 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.000 when you're looking at a board as so you're rooting 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:09.080 for who he might be rooting Forcus. Unlike the Masters, 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.840 which was very very much live versus sture, and the 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.200 PGA Championship to a slightly lesser degree but still was, 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.000 this one didn't have that feel at all. Now, part 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:20.520 of it so why the board shook out, but part 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.320 of it is just the news of last week. 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.799 Yeah, I totally agree, that's completely mellowed out. I mean, 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:32.759 you know Cameron Smith, well you have he had the 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.239 low round of the day among the guys he went 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.520 out late. There was a couple early sixty five, you know, 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.000 for like John Rahm, the ultimate back door top ten, 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:43.479 but Cameron Smith was the hottest guy on the course 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:45.280 when it really mattered. But he ran out of holes. 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:46.920 But he looked great. You know he's gonna wind up. 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:51.439 This is fourth and Dustin. Every time they showed Dustin, 0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.240 he was hitting it to six feet missing the putt. 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.439 Like I'd like to see his putting stats this week 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.960 because you know, he finished tied for tenth and I 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:01.600 it's gonna be one of the worst punt performances of 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.040 his career from what I saw, So they were there, 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.840 they're in the mix. But yeah, I feel like that 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:11.640 that subplot has has completely mellowed out, even though it 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.480 remains very unsettled what next year is going to look 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:19.160 like in golf. There's been a lot of speculation lation 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.000 Jimmy Dunn has fueled it. You know that jay Monhan 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.600 is going to shut down Live Golf, Like, I don't 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:27.040 believe that for a second. I don't think he has 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:31.360 that power. It's going to be Yoaster's decision. But because 0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.799 of the anti trust reasons, because of the contracts that 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.920 all the commitments they've made, I feel very certain they'll 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:40.399 be Live Golf in twenty twenty four. After that, they'll 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:44.640 reassess it. But so you know, yeah, there still will 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:49.719 be a divide in the game, whether whether they can 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.400 make peace and get and the live guys can take 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.040 sponsors exemptions and play certain number of events on the tour. 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:56.880 Like how that's going to shake out. I mean, I 0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:00.279 think there will be some cross pollination, but there will 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.320 still be a separation, but it won't be as bitchy. 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:08.839 And we kind of know that there'll be a reapproachment 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.560 at some point. So it feels like this just gonna 0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.480 be a transitional year and then we'll see how it 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.080 all plays out. So yeah, I didn't feel the energy 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:16.399 at all. 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.600 Yeah, yeah, uh you remember what a big fuss it was. 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:25.200 Well at the Masters, absolutely for sure, the whole quote 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.440 golf establishment was praying that John Rahm will get to 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.279 the house and and Brooks Kopka would not and fill 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:37.640 they're completely dismissive of At the PGA, you know, Kopka 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:42.000 was so powerful, he's a powerful presence. He's hard to dismiss. 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.719 But there was still the whole thing when Seth Watt 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:46.560 didn't shake his hand. And Seth can say what he 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.600 wanted to say, and he did, but the fact is 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.399 he didn't shake his hand. You know what I'm talking about. 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.440 I know you're talking about. I mean supposedly that was 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.919 not their first go around on the photo then, and 0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.000 I think what I heard with Seth and are taking 0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.120 a photo with him? He got what You're right, but 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:02.359 that just became a story whether it was one or not. 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:05.840 And but you know the difference also is Phil we 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:10.480 know has been such a muckraker and Patrick Reed, who 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.520 was also in contention at the Masters, Like those are 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:16.440 worst case scenarios. Brooks is always throughout this whole thing, 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.719 is displayed very little interest in mixing it up. And 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.880 he wasn't part of the lawsuits. He hasn't He hasn't been, 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.640 you know, part of the sniping on social media, so 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.080 he's hive been dust in a state above the fray 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:28.960 and Cam Smith too. 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.120 Did you make any eye contact with Phil Mickelson this week? 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:34.200 I did not. 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:36.719 Do you kind of try to avoid it so you 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.080 don't feel like you're maybe getting in his face where 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:40.920 he may not want it, or what's your attitude about that? 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:44.759 Yeah? I ever since that thing happened in London where 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:46.560 I got bounced out as Prescote, I'm trying to give 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:47.960 him a wide berth because I don't want people to 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:52.480 think that I'm like trying to insert myself into his 0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.640 business or trying to make it myself the story I did. 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:57.960 I didn't try and ask him a few questions and 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.480 live Mexico at the start of this year because I 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.520 really needed to fact check something with him for the book, 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:08.040 and he somewhat brusquely declined. 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.800 And that's in a group setting or when I got him. 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:13.680 Walking off the driving range, just him and I. 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:17.000 What a weird one of the weirdest years in golf 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:18.720 when you think about where he was a year ago, 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:22.799 with that odd press conference before the tournament and then 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.560 some really pretty mediocre play and then a stunning round 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:28.760 of golf Sunday at the Masters, and then I truly 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:32.680 now I'm wrong. Often I truly thought he'd come here 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:36.799 and content. I really really did. Knows the course well, 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.000 knows the grasses, been around here, a lot a. 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:43.080 Lot of short game action on this course. Yeah, I 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.239 think he did play horribly. He missed the cut by one, 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:51.920 but it was just and yeah, it was disappointing. I mean, 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:58.880 I I don't know. The Masters is the most predictable 0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:01.160 tournament of the year. Probably going to play well, you 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.600 still got to do it. But Phil is dangerous there 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:08.200 in perpetuity. But getting his game to travel it just 0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:11.200 hasn't happened since Kiowa. So I remember, we're now going 0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:13.280 on two years since he really made a run anywhere 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:14.040 other than Augusta. 0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.879 That's that wasn't a run. That was freakishly making four 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:19.000 birdies at. 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:21.440 The end of the day. Yeah, I don't know. It's 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.120 it's the mystery of golf. Why do people play well 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.399 when they do and they don't? I mean, how many 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.640 people on planet Earth picked Wyndam Clark this year. You know, 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.200 I'm staying you met my aunt Harriet. I'm staying with 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:37.799 her and her boyfriend, Myron, who loves golf, and every 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:39.319 night he's asking who do you think's going to win? 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.800 And he's he's got a bookie, he's placing bets and 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:45.880 he's doing all this stuff. And no one mentioned Wyndam Clark. 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.160 I didn't. He didn't, You didn't nobody, But shout out 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:50.960 to Michael Bamber, who did predict the winning score of 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:52.200 ten under at the start of the week. 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.200 I did predict the winning score of ten under. I 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.360 did not even consider Wyndom Clark. By Saturday night. I 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.320 did think. I thought it would be Wyndam Clark and 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:05.919 Scottie Shuffer necking it out, neck and neck. 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:11.960 The most impressive part of his whole package as a 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.719 golfer is the grit. He is so gritty. I mean, 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:20.279 some of those saves, that that bogie he saved, you 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.000 know on the par five on the front nine, number 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.080 number eight, like that was that was a US Open bogie. 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:26.600 It looked like he was going to make a triple. 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:28.800 He sneaked out of there with a six and that 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:30.680 that was probably the key moment of the final round 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:34.960 and some superb up and downs. I mean when he 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:38.440 leaves that, when he leaves that approach on eighteen so short, 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.719 that amphitheater let The crowds were down eighteenth fairly. There's 0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.040 a lot of energy, there's a lot of commotion. It's 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.040 like you and I both thought he's gonna have to 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:47.480 make a five foot or to win the US Open, 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:51.160 and he knocked up their stone dead like just gritty, 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:52.359 gritty performance. 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.680 I wonder with that super heavy long grip that he's 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.360 got on the putter, I wonder what that's like to 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:01.799 I have just I don't know. I mean, I've never 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.839 used one. I kind of tried one. I just think 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.120 it's hard to hit it hard enough when when you're nervous. 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.160 It's just hard to hit it hard enough when you're nervous. 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:13.440 So yeah, I did expect I thought that would come 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:14.560 up five feet short. 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.480 I mean, it was great, but it was a great 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:20.680 But then he didn't waste any time knocking the wead 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.920 the game winner, like, which is smart. Its probably the 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.400 right thing to do. But like it was, people have 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:30.040 missed two foot putts before and it was it was cool. 0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:33.160 I mean, I really I do feel like a star 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:34.880 was born. We started we said that at the top 0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:38.840 of the telecast the podcast we getting We're got heckled 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:39.640 by KVVS. 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:41.799 I don't really feel like a star was born. I 0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:45.759 feel like, you know, we've identified a super talent and 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:48.600 I don't think he doesn't. His personality doesn't. Yeah, it 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.160 doesn't seem like he wants to be a star. 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.720 Just same question. I mean, can you become a startist 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.160 by winning a lot of golf turns? 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:59.680 Or is there some other I mean, Scottie Shuffer a 0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:02.120 superstar of any sort? You know, do you think he 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.040 goes into a mall? If guys say I don't, he'll say, 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:09.640 hia talent plus charisma, Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean. 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.520 Now Ricky is the other side of the thing. He 0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:14.320 has charisma. Now, the resume is sort of a superstar, 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:16.560 and he was in all those ads, but he doesn't 0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:19.320 have the you know he's got. Now this Wyndham Clark's 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.640 got one more major than he does. What about what 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:25.280 about John Rahm. Like John Ram, I think has has 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:26.120 has presence. 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.920 He has presidence. I don't know if he has charisma. Yeah, 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.920 but he's got GRAVI tos, He's got gravitarres. You know 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.440 a word I'm sure he uses all the time. One 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.400 of the agents told me today. One of the Spanish 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.040 agents told me this week that his English is better 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.880 than his Spanish. I mean that is really hard to do. 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:45.239 English a hard language to pick up the idiomatic nature 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:45.760 of beautiful. 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:47.120 He speaks beautifully. 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:48.880 He's got a huge president. 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:53.040 Yeah. Yeah, I mean Cam Smith not a star, incredible golfer, 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:57.880 not a star, Roy McElroy star, but he flawed golfer. 0:42:58.280 --> 0:42:59.560 He's just flawed. Yep. 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:06.480 Uh, Sander Schoffley no, Dustin Johnson yes, Harris English no, Rickyes, 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.760 Fleetwood yes, but he needs to do something. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.480 I don't know. I mean everyone loves Fleetwood and I mean, 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.839 you shoot sixty three today to finish fifth. It's vintage Tommy. 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:19.799 You know what was lost? I think Tommy hasn't won 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:22.440 in three years anywhere in the world. Can you believe that? No? 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:25.279 I really can't with his iron play, I really can't 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:26.920 go hits it whole high. 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.680 That's what's so fascinating about tournament golf as theater? Like 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:32.320 all these guys look at on the rains, most of 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.840 them looking on the practice putting green. But can you 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:36.960 do it on Sunday with the world watching? That's the 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:41.040 ultimate question. And today Wyndam Clark did and no one else. 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:45.680 See a Ricky Fowler top fiving here. That doesn't he 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:48.000 didn't play his way into the Masters. That's a shame 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:49.880 for him. In other words, had he gotten up and 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.839 down on eighteen to play his way into the Mastery. 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:56.120 Hell, I mean he'll be he was already what forty 0:43:56.200 --> 0:44:00.759 fourth coming Oh world ranking, he's good. Say he's got, 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:04.200 he's got. He gets the Tour Championship. Like, there's a 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:05.520 lot of ways to do it, but you're right, that 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:07.120 would have been an easy one, just check the box. 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:09.480 So yeah, those are the little games in the game. 0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:11.799 It also makes it all the more impressive for him 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:15.319 that he stuck around like that because there was a 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.520 number of disappointments. 0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:22.080 And uh, you know, Butcher's uh had an incredible impact 0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:24.600 on so many golfers tried to there was a vote 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:25.879 to get him in the Hall of Fame this year. 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:27.959 I think he missed by one vote from what I've heard, 0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:31.399 and uh, it would have been sort of I think 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.560 made a no brainer. Had he had he taken Ricky 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.040 Vallor from the depths of where he was and helped 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.080 get helped him make make him a US Open winner, 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:43.200 that would have been a path. Who knows if it's 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.200 meaningful to Butcher not if I've heard that it's quite 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:49.680 meaningful to him. Uh, to the Hall of Fame. So anyway, 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.319 as you say, there's always there's so many things, and 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:54.640 that's the pleasure being a reporter in this game. There's 0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:56.920 so many layers and layers and layers of things going 0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.000 on that we don't know. 0:44:59.040 --> 0:44:59.560 I never knew. 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.320 I did ever know anything about Wyndam Clark's mother passing 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.680 away years ago and the heartache of that. I did 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.400 not know that story at all until this week. 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.960 Yeah, yeah, it's it's that I had picked up on it. 0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:11.879 I guess around when when he went at Charlotte And 0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:15.480 but yeah, he's and you know it's Father's Day, Like 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:17.879 how sweet is that? I'm sure it's it's always any 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.719 holiday when you've lost someone is emotional. I'm sure that 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.880 adds an extra layer for that family. And good for them, 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:26.040 like you got to be happy for them. So well, 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:29.040 it was not it was not a transcendent US Open, 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.080 but it was a very interesting one. I'm glad we 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.759 got to share it. Michael, Yeah, I am too. And 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:36.560 it's always it's always fun to talk about this. Sing 0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:39.160 Sunday night, all you folks out there, thanks for going 0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:43.160 on this journey with us. We will we'll see how 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.040 many fire drills are are in store. We have one 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:46.640 more major. 0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:47.719 Uh. 0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:50.480 We like to keep people guessing when the next one 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:53.200 will be. But there's always another fire drill. 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.520 So sometimes we say and we're not correct, so probably 0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:58.799 better not to say, and. 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.799 That now that correct. I do want to tip our 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:05.319 cat before we go to Dormy workshop. 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This is the end. 0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:47.640 I'm Ben Big, played. 0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:51.840 The wind, made a fortune with my ship. Game man. 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.640 I ran the table and never thought I could fall 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:58.960 down the wind and hit me lack a can in 0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:05.160 the ball. And now I can't shake this losing streak. 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:11.200 Every road I take is a dead hand street. I 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:15.880 got thoughts in my head, can't get them out, trying 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.880 not to think what I'm thinking about. I got thoughts 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:24.120 in my head, can't get them out, trying not to 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:26.120 think what I'm thinking about.